I know right. I have alot of professions at 25. This game is still very easy. The new mods made things prolonged for getting your gear which i love and getting to 70. people are making a big deal out of nothing. I am getting too entertained from this, i may have to stop. Cause i am sure i am pissing people off. And not trying to.
The issue here is not the fact they can no longer make RAD its the fact they have removed it and not put in a suitable replacement, perhaps when they make all those nice expensive things that sell from other professions bound to account your mood will change.
I still stand by the fact they need some 60to69 dungeons with mid tier difficulty such as the non epic shores for those that do not have a guild or many friends that play.
Also wish I could get char to 67 after completing all the new story/quests and have an option to go straight to 70, doing the grind on multiple characters is getting a chore and no longer fun haha.
But they gave us more AD on PVP, Dungeons and Skirmishes. sure its not 24k. But its 21k. So its still there, just moved. Oh wait, people want to be lazy and just log in and do their leadership and make 24k x 49 characters and only play 1. I got it. Everyone wants to make 1 mil a day on their armies. So they can support their main. Now i see why some people dont know how to play and have a high item level. Well like i said this will weed out the real players from the players.
Play the game and earn it the right way. SO that way when you pop into a dungeon, your not dead weight.
Talk about over reactions....the vast majority of those who used leadership for RAD's were likely earning a few thousand daily (at most). The fact is I don't enjoy skirmishes and I dislike PVP even more....compound that with the dailies i'm working on and it's virtually impossible, nor enjoyable, to find the time to earn a decent amount of AD's on any given day....but then that's not really the point anyone, but yourself, has been attempting to make. It's not that AD's were removed from leadership that is the problem, it's that nothing was put in it's place to keep the profession relevant.
But they gave us more AD on PVP, Dungeons and Skirmishes. sure its not 24k like leadership gave. But its 21k. So its still there, just moved. so people are now forced to play to get their AD instead of log into character, do profession and log out. The AD isnt gone people. YOU have to play the game. not be lazy
XB One LGPG Alliance Reagents of Death - Leader CW - Phoenix lvl 70 4034 (Main) GF - Spectre lvl 70 4012 (Main) GWF - Ice lvl 70 4010 (Main) SW - Zor lvl 70 3230 (Main) OP - Box lvl 70 3002 (Retired)
PS4 Look Good Play Good GWF - Ice lvl 70 3875 (Main) GF - Spectre lvl 70 2669 (Alt)
you can still do stuff with leadership. oh wait you get chances to get good refinement items that you can sell. hmm. hey there is AD still there. HAHA.
Time Consuming? hmm life is time consuming then. HAHA.
XB One LGPG Alliance Reagents of Death - Leader CW - Phoenix lvl 70 4034 (Main) GF - Spectre lvl 70 4012 (Main) GWF - Ice lvl 70 4010 (Main) SW - Zor lvl 70 3230 (Main) OP - Box lvl 70 3002 (Retired)
PS4 Look Good Play Good GWF - Ice lvl 70 3875 (Main) GF - Spectre lvl 70 2669 (Alt)
I guess getting to level 25 in a now worthless profession wasn't time-consuming then...
I thought most people knew that things can be time-consuming even if you do other things during that time?
Strange. My leadership levelled up in the background while I was doing things like playing the game, playing other games, eating, sleeping etc. Managing it took a couple of minutes a day at most. Maybe your version is bugged and requires a lot more time input?
^^^^ LOL People must sit there for hours watching it, hoping and praying it will go faster. Maybe thats why there are so many people in PE all the time, cause they sit and watch their professions instead of grinding... LOL.
XB One LGPG Alliance Reagents of Death - Leader CW - Phoenix lvl 70 4034 (Main) GF - Spectre lvl 70 4012 (Main) GWF - Ice lvl 70 4010 (Main) SW - Zor lvl 70 3230 (Main) OP - Box lvl 70 3002 (Retired)
PS4 Look Good Play Good GWF - Ice lvl 70 3875 (Main) GF - Spectre lvl 70 2669 (Alt)
But they gave us more AD on PVP, Dungeons and Skirmishes. sure its not 24k like leadership gave. But its 21k. So its still there, just moved. so people are now forced to play to get their AD instead of log into character, do profession and log out. The AD isnt gone people. YOU have to play the game. not be lazy
Yet again you miss the point.
It would be like them removing the shirts and pants and not putting in a suitable replacement.
But they gave us more AD on PVP, Dungeons and Skirmishes. sure its not 24k like leadership gave. But its 21k. So its still there, just moved. so people are now forced to play to get their AD instead of log into character, do profession and log out. The AD isnt gone people. YOU have to play the game. not be lazy
Yet again you miss the point.
It would be like them removing the shirts and pants and not putting in a suitable replacement.
Define "suitable".
I see that they've replaced the AD with better item drops at higher levels. I consider that a suitable replacement. I'm assuming your definition is more along the lines of "I want free stuff without having to work for it"?
I guess getting to level 25 in a now worthless profession wasn't time-consuming then...
I thought most people knew that things can be time-consuming even if you do other things during that time?
Strange. My leadership levelled up in the background while I was doing things like playing the game, playing other games, eating, sleeping etc. Managing it took a couple of minutes a day at most. Maybe your version is bugged and requires a lot more time input?
If something takes a long time, then by definition it IS time-consuming, doesn't matter what you do during that time... Or did yours go fast? Maybe mine is bugged then... Alchemy took just a few days to level to 25 due to the fixed time when going up a level, how long did it take you to get to 25 in Leadership?
The point which the more simpleminded people seem to miss, again and again, is that removal of RAD isn't really the issue, but rather the fact that they didn't bother replacing the RAD with anything...
If some of you still fail to comprehend this, then yeah, whatever...
I just did a level 25 dungeon and a level 55 dungeon. both awarded 3600 ad and both took about 10 minutes of my time. the level 25 dungeon gave a relevant blue thing that can be resold with the dungeon key. the level 55 dungeon gave relevant resellable blues at bosses and the final dungeon chest. it's not all fail imho.
I guess getting to level 25 in a now worthless profession wasn't time-consuming then...
I thought most people knew that things can be time-consuming even if you do other things during that time?
Strange. My leadership levelled up in the background while I was doing things like playing the game, playing other games, eating, sleeping etc. Managing it took a couple of minutes a day at most. Maybe your version is bugged and requires a lot more time input?
If something takes a long time, then by definition it IS time-consuming, doesn't matter what you do during that time... Or did yours go fast? Maybe mine is bugged then... Alchemy took just a few days to level to 25 due to the fixed time when going up a level, how long did it take you to get to 25 in Leadership?
The point which the more simpleminded people seem to miss, again and again, is that removal of RAD isn't really the issue, but rather the fact that they didn't bother replacing the RAD with anything...
If some of you still fail to comprehend this, then yeah, whatever...
It takes a long time, sure. It's not time-consuming though. Not in the slightest. I think you're having trouble with the core-concept. How much of your time did it actually consume? Maybe a couple of hours over 6 months?
Again, they've replaced RAD with things that people who actually play the game will be interested in having. It's only the people that can no longer get good things for no effort that are bitching so loudly.
No its not. Its just people are too lazy to run dungeons to get that AD. They rather just complain about leadership and waste time complaining. During the time they waste complaining they could make their daily 24k to refine, and then make excess to bank. To each their own though. People want that quick money without doing anything to actually earn it. Sure it takes time to get leadership up. But what did you really accomplish. It only takes you a minute to set the profession. Of course yes you had to get the Hero's. But you can still do the profession and get stuff that is beneficial. The enjoyment comes from running dungeons with friends, guild members and strangers and making those new friends.
I think we are done beating this horse.
XB One LGPG Alliance Reagents of Death - Leader CW - Phoenix lvl 70 4034 (Main) GF - Spectre lvl 70 4012 (Main) GWF - Ice lvl 70 4010 (Main) SW - Zor lvl 70 3230 (Main) OP - Box lvl 70 3002 (Retired)
PS4 Look Good Play Good GWF - Ice lvl 70 3875 (Main) GF - Spectre lvl 70 2669 (Alt)
It takes a long time, sure. It's not time-consuming though. Not in the slightest. I think you're having trouble with the core-concept. How much of your time did it actually consume? Maybe a couple of hours over 6 months?
Again, they've replaced RAD with things that people who actually play the game will be interested in having. It's only the people that can no longer get good things for no effort that are bitching so loudly.
Actually it is you that don't seem to know what the definition of time-conuming is, it is irrelevant for whom it consumes the time...
More importantly, what do you believe they have replaced the RAD in Leadership with?
Because as far as I can see NOTHING has been altered other than the RAD being removed...
time-consuming adjective 1. (of an action) requiring or wasting much time.
The action is pressing A a couple of times and then pressing X. It requires a couple of minutes a day. I don't believe it wastes any because what you get is more than worth the tiny amount of time required to get it.
More importantly, what do you believe they have replaced the RAD in Leadership with?
The tears of people with the complete inability to look at things objectively and for the good of the game as a whole.
Most of those tears are from the ones that put real money into the game, you know the ones that if they did not the game would no longer be here as it would no longer be financially viable to keep it going.
I do not use leadership and never really have the issue I have if they start to do more drastic things like this to 'try' and get ppl to buy Zen instead on converting AD to Zen.
More importantly, what do you believe they have replaced the RAD in Leadership with?
The tears of people with the complete inability to look at things objectively and for the good of the game as a whole.
Most of those tears are from the ones that put real money into the game, you know the ones that if they did not the game would no longer be here as it would no longer be financially viable to keep it going.
I do not use leadership and never really have the issue I have if they start to do more drastic things like this to 'try' and get ppl to buy Zen instead on converting AD to Zen.
You mean the ones like me?
I did use leadership, but I didn't abuse it.
I think you'll find that most of the people complaining are those who just have loads of alt accounts for the specific use of leadrship AD farming.
There'll be a couple of genuine players who will be upset about it, but players like that rarely fill with the vehemence displayed by most complaining on this forum. I've seen a guy on here complaining that his50 slots will now be useless. 50 slots. It's people like that that should be the focus of this ire, not the devs who are trying their best to make the game sustainable.
There'll be a couple of genuine players who will be upset about it, but players like that rarely fill with the vehemence displayed by most complaining on this forum. I've seen a guy on here complaining that his50 slots will now be useless. 50 slots. It's people like that that should be the focus of this ire, not the devs who are trying their best to make the game sustainable.
This is exactly my issue. I have 2 characters, one of which has a leadership of 18 thus the impact to myself is minimal....HOWEVER, nerfing a profession based on a small fraction of the player base is what irritates me., especially when the offenders are largely on a separate platform. For me it's about principal more than impact.
As for everyone's basis for time consumption....it's all relative the action being performed. Yes it is correct to suggest the act of leveling a profession isn't physically time consuming, you have invested no more or less of your life in one profession over the next. However, you can't compare PVE/PVP to professions....they're simply entirely different aspects of the game. You have to look outside of the literal meaning of the term "time consumption" and view the phrase purely on the professions aspect of the game. This argument is the equivalent of arguing with someone over the definition of a warrior or hero in a video game versus the real world....both can be contextually accurate.
Personally i don't play PVP, it does not interest me, especially with the character i got... wich if i could go back in time would certainly decide otherwise... But i like Multiplayer in Shooters, not games like that where everybody is different. I need to have acces to all that you also have acces for me to like a game... (GOW, Halo, COD)
Anyway Monkey ok ill add you, so far i have add people on this game but its hard to play with them, i don't get invited or anything, maybe due to the fact im not 70??
In any case what bothers me is i breeze trough dungeon that are currently up but get HAMSTER from it... so exept the AD there is no point of doing them(and 3000, lol, i made much more with my leadership before). I wish i could do other dungeon to get better gear to be able to progress better.
I feel once you are done with the regular zones/questing...the game kinda stop you from progressing.
Anyway , you can be sure ill make a video about this and post it to my youtube channel. This is a backstab by the developers...
Interestingly enough it clearly says there will be a topic of discussion about it but there wasn't one. Any of the moderators / administrators care to weigh in on why that wasn't followed through on?
There'll be a couple of genuine players who will be upset about it, but players like that rarely fill with the vehemence displayed by most complaining on this forum. I've seen a guy on here complaining that his50 slots will now be useless. 50 slots. It's people like that that should be the focus of this ire, not the devs who are trying their best to make the game sustainable.
This is exactly my issue. I have 2 characters, one of which has a leadership of 18 thus the impact to myself is minimal....HOWEVER, nerfing a profession based on a small fraction of the player base is what irritates me., especially when the offenders are largely on a separate platform. For me it's about principal more than impact.
The problem is that that fraction of the player base has a significant impact on the market and, by extension, the enjoyment of genuine players. The more they earn, the less your personal AD is worth. On the PC it went absolutely mental and it's pretty obvious that the Xbox One would eventually go the same way as the patterns are repeating themselves.
Ideally they should have included this kind of thing with the launch of the game, but the nature of this kind of game means that's not always plausible.
There'll be a couple of genuine players who will be upset about it, but players like that rarely fill with the vehemence displayed by most complaining on this forum. I've seen a guy on here complaining that his50 slots will now be useless. 50 slots. It's people like that that should be the focus of this ire, not the devs who are trying their best to make the game sustainable.
This is exactly my issue. I have 2 characters, one of which has a leadership of 18 thus the impact to myself is minimal....HOWEVER, nerfing a profession based on a small fraction of the player base is what irritates me., especially when the offenders are largely on a separate platform. For me it's about principal more than impact.
The problem is that that fraction of the player base has a significant impact on the market and, by extension, the enjoyment of genuine players. The more they earn, the less your personal AD is worth. On the PC it went absolutely mental and it's pretty obvious that the Xbox One would eventually go the same way as the patterns are repeating themselves.
Ideally they should have included this kind of thing with the launch of the game, but the nature of this kind of game means that's not always plausible.
Here is where you are totally wrong...
If that fraction would have had an impact, the ADX would have been a lot higher.
And since the XB1 is not very "(ab)user-friendly" as in automation of tasks, there wouldn't have been any over-saturation of the ADX for years, due to how arduous it would be to manage hundreds of free accounts with 2 slots.
No professional "farmer" would buy the extra character-slots btw...
But that's not the real issue, if they intend to keep it this way (which they will), they need to replace the RAD in Leadership with something else at once, not in a year.
And also consider the fact that, those of you who sell accessories and clothing and so on, what if all those things suddenly was BoP, since you know, you could be using 50 characters and make gemmed rings and shirts all day and "break the economy" that way?
I don't have a leadership army, but I have 8 characters (1 of each class) just like all the other MMOs I've played.
I play this game with my friends and two sons.
Let me start by saying I'm not looking for sympathy or trying to start a war, but I am trying to figure out how to compete now that the game that was a time sink already, has become even more of a time sink. I work 80-100 hours a week (Collegiate Football Coach). When I get to play its in 30-45 minute spurts in the morning or in the evening, but I DO try to play daily. That's not enough time to actively do a dungeon, but it's enough time to complete a few quests, which only provide XP and a random item now and again.
Looking at this from my perspective, I'm curious how if I play 1.5 - 2.0 hours per day I'm going to get the astral diamonds to advance my characters and keep up with the Jones' so to speak. Dungeon Queue's aren't there. I don't have countless hours to be able to read every single piece of literature out there to find a method to make up for the roughly 16k per day in Rough Astral Diamonds (RAD) that I was making daily to be able to keep going. Basically, I used the Leadership route as a method to help build my characters, and now I'm left with no discernible option.
Bascially, the horizon looks bleak or hopeless for me and I'm not sure how to actually attack this problem. I'm interested in knowing how this helps the casual player who isn't playing this game to be the top 1% of the population.
I am with you on this. I love reading all the complaining and whining. No body forced anyone to spend money on this game. Its a free to play game. They are changing it for the better and to get rid of the whales and 3rd party people with 50 characters with leadership armies and probably have 50 accounts. This game is supposed to be played, not log into your characters and do leadership and log out. and brag how rich you are. SO WHAT. Play the game, this will weed out the people who know how to play the game and the ones that dont. It will stabilize the economy and make things better for everyone like it should. so stop demanding refunds and crying how the game is ruined when its not. This game is better now with the new changes, and it will continue to get better with future changes.
I do not play PvP either, perhaps the RAD's from PvP,dungeons and skirmishes should be a cap of the amount but what you do to get them is up to you, run dungeons to reach the cap of 21k or do all PvP. That would suit me better but then I do not speak for everyone. Do not enjoy PvP and so not going to force unhappyness of it on myself for a measly 7k.
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I still stand by the fact they need some 60to69 dungeons with mid tier difficulty such as the non epic shores for those that do not have a guild or many friends that play.
Also wish I could get char to 67 after completing all the new story/quests and have an option to go straight to 70, doing the grind on multiple characters is getting a chore and no longer fun haha.
I am neither here nor there, for I am NevrCene
NevrCene: TRMelisandre: SW
Brienne: GWF
Guild : Mystic Dawn (GH20)
It's definitely not expensive in any way.
LGPG Alliance
Reagents of Death - Leader
CW - Phoenix lvl 70 4034 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 4012 (Main)
GWF - Ice lvl 70 4010 (Main)
SW - Zor lvl 70 3230 (Main)
OP - Box lvl 70 3002 (Retired)
PS4
Look Good Play Good
GWF - Ice lvl 70 3875 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 2669 (Alt)
1: using or taking up a great deal of time
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/time-consuming
I guess getting to level 25 in a now worthless profession wasn't time-consuming then...
I thought most people knew that things can be time-consuming even if you do other things during that time?
Time Consuming? hmm life is time consuming then. HAHA.
LGPG Alliance
Reagents of Death - Leader
CW - Phoenix lvl 70 4034 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 4012 (Main)
GWF - Ice lvl 70 4010 (Main)
SW - Zor lvl 70 3230 (Main)
OP - Box lvl 70 3002 (Retired)
PS4
Look Good Play Good
GWF - Ice lvl 70 3875 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 2669 (Alt)
People must sit there for hours watching it, hoping and praying it will go faster. Maybe thats why there are so many people in PE all the time, cause they sit and watch their professions instead of grinding... LOL.
LGPG Alliance
Reagents of Death - Leader
CW - Phoenix lvl 70 4034 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 4012 (Main)
GWF - Ice lvl 70 4010 (Main)
SW - Zor lvl 70 3230 (Main)
OP - Box lvl 70 3002 (Retired)
PS4
Look Good Play Good
GWF - Ice lvl 70 3875 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 2669 (Alt)
Not time consuming, you literally select the task and leave. Not expensive...unless you CHOOSE for it to be.
It would be like them removing the shirts and pants and not putting in a suitable replacement.
I am neither here nor there, for I am NevrCene
NevrCene: TRMelisandre: SW
Brienne: GWF
Guild : Mystic Dawn (GH20)
I see that they've replaced the AD with better item drops at higher levels. I consider that a suitable replacement. I'm assuming your definition is more along the lines of "I want free stuff without having to work for it"?
Or did yours go fast?
Maybe mine is bugged then...
Alchemy took just a few days to level to 25 due to the fixed time when going up a level, how long did it take you to get to 25 in Leadership?
The point which the more simpleminded people seem to miss, again and again, is that removal of RAD isn't really the issue, but rather the fact that they didn't bother replacing the RAD with anything...
If some of you still fail to comprehend this, then yeah, whatever...
Again, they've replaced RAD with things that people who actually play the game will be interested in having. It's only the people that can no longer get good things for no effort that are bitching so loudly.
I think we are done beating this horse.
LGPG Alliance
Reagents of Death - Leader
CW - Phoenix lvl 70 4034 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 4012 (Main)
GWF - Ice lvl 70 4010 (Main)
SW - Zor lvl 70 3230 (Main)
OP - Box lvl 70 3002 (Retired)
PS4
Look Good Play Good
GWF - Ice lvl 70 3875 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 2669 (Alt)
More importantly, what do you believe they have replaced the RAD in Leadership with?
Because as far as I can see NOTHING has been altered other than the RAD being removed...
adjective
1.
(of an action) requiring or wasting much time.
The action is pressing A a couple of times and then pressing X. It requires a couple of minutes a day. I don't believe it wastes any because what you get is more than worth the tiny amount of time required to get it.
I do not use leadership and never really have the issue I have if they start to do more drastic things like this to 'try' and get ppl to buy Zen instead on converting AD to Zen.
I am neither here nor there, for I am NevrCene
NevrCene: TRMelisandre: SW
Brienne: GWF
Guild : Mystic Dawn (GH20)
I am neither here nor there, for I am NevrCene
NevrCene: TRMelisandre: SW
Brienne: GWF
Guild : Mystic Dawn (GH20)
I did use leadership, but I didn't abuse it.
I think you'll find that most of the people complaining are those who just have loads of alt accounts for the specific use of leadrship AD farming.
There'll be a couple of genuine players who will be upset about it, but players like that rarely fill with the vehemence displayed by most complaining on this forum. I've seen a guy on here complaining that his50 slots will now be useless. 50 slots. It's people like that that should be the focus of this ire, not the devs who are trying their best to make the game sustainable.
As for everyone's basis for time consumption....it's all relative the action being performed. Yes it is correct to suggest the act of leveling a profession isn't physically time consuming, you have invested no more or less of your life in one profession over the next. However, you can't compare PVE/PVP to professions....they're simply entirely different aspects of the game. You have to look outside of the literal meaning of the term "time consumption" and view the phrase purely on the professions aspect of the game. This argument is the equivalent of arguing with someone over the definition of a warrior or hero in a video game versus the real world....both can be contextually accurate.
Anyway Monkey ok ill add you, so far i have add people on this game but its hard to play with them, i don't get invited or anything, maybe due to the fact im not 70??
In any case what bothers me is i breeze trough dungeon that are currently up but get HAMSTER from it... so exept the AD there is no point of doing them(and 3000, lol, i made much more with my leadership before). I wish i could do other dungeon to get better gear to be able to progress better.
I feel once you are done with the regular zones/questing...the game kinda stop you from progressing.
Anyway , you can be sure ill make a video about this and post it to my youtube channel. This is a backstab by the developers...
The problem is that that fraction of the player base has a significant impact on the market and, by extension, the enjoyment of genuine players. The more they earn, the less your personal AD is worth. On the PC it went absolutely mental and it's pretty obvious that the Xbox One would eventually go the same way as the patterns are repeating themselves.
Ideally they should have included this kind of thing with the launch of the game, but the nature of this kind of game means that's not always plausible.
If that fraction would have had an impact, the ADX would have been a lot higher.
And since the XB1 is not very "(ab)user-friendly" as in automation of tasks, there wouldn't have been any over-saturation of the ADX for years, due to how arduous it would be to manage hundreds of free accounts with 2 slots.
No professional "farmer" would buy the extra character-slots btw...
But that's not the real issue, if they intend to keep it this way (which they will), they need to replace the RAD in Leadership with something else at once, not in a year.
And also consider the fact that, those of you who sell accessories and clothing and so on, what if all those things suddenly was BoP, since you know, you could be using 50 characters and make gemmed rings and shirts all day and "break the economy" that way?
- I don't have a leadership army, but I have 8 characters (1 of each class) just like all the other MMOs I've played.
- I play this game with my friends and two sons.
Let me start by saying I'm not looking for sympathy or trying to start a war, but I am trying to figure out how to compete now that the game that was a time sink already, has become even more of a time sink. I work 80-100 hours a week (Collegiate Football Coach). When I get to play its in 30-45 minute spurts in the morning or in the evening, but I DO try to play daily. That's not enough time to actively do a dungeon, but it's enough time to complete a few quests, which only provide XP and a random item now and again.Looking at this from my perspective, I'm curious how if I play 1.5 - 2.0 hours per day I'm going to get the astral diamonds to advance my characters and keep up with the Jones' so to speak. Dungeon Queue's aren't there. I don't have countless hours to be able to read every single piece of literature out there to find a method to make up for the roughly 16k per day in Rough Astral Diamonds (RAD) that I was making daily to be able to keep going. Basically, I used the Leadership route as a method to help build my characters, and now I'm left with no discernible option.
Bascially, the horizon looks bleak or hopeless for me and I'm not sure how to actually attack this problem. I'm interested in knowing how this helps the casual player who isn't playing this game to be the top 1% of the population.
LGPG Alliance
Reagents of Death - Leader
CW - Phoenix lvl 70 4034 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 4012 (Main)
GWF - Ice lvl 70 4010 (Main)
SW - Zor lvl 70 3230 (Main)
OP - Box lvl 70 3002 (Retired)
PS4
Look Good Play Good
GWF - Ice lvl 70 3875 (Main)
GF - Spectre lvl 70 2669 (Alt)
Do not enjoy PvP and so not going to force unhappyness of it on myself for a measly 7k.
but that is for a different discussion.
I am neither here nor there, for I am NevrCene
NevrCene: TRMelisandre: SW
Brienne: GWF
Guild : Mystic Dawn (GH20)