First, it's a total free game. When one bot gets banned, there's no cost. Another one just pops up to take it's place. So when people say, "Simple, just ban ALL the bots", that doesn't work because there really is an infinite amount of them.
The only way to fight them is to limit what can actually be botted (and sold). We understand that most of the bots are gold farmers, but a good portion is also regular players. The regular players can essentially be stopped because they have a higher cost of losing an account.
if we were to apply your logic, every player in this game is a cheater i just give you 1 example as there is no player in this game that hadn't run ECC using the exploit of takin the boss out of the door, this is just one of the examples, as there are plenty. before calling anyone a cheater just look at the state of the game.
Read my signature, how to beat eCC legit. We were doing this before and after dr fix, my first win being without paladins with a more or less 2k group, only a few days after mod 6 hit live. Now stop calling legit players exploiters.
and really good post zerg.
wtf are you replyin to me?
Replying to both you and zerg, easier to do in 1 post and more space effective.
do you want to swear 1 out of your millions dungeon runs you haven't used a trick to finish a dungeon , maybe not u, but one of your party members?
And this is how the language changes. So now pulling the bosses through the doors in a dungeon so you can kill them easier is a "trick"? Sounds like another word for cheating to me.
There's a big difference between tricks and cheats.
Standing near the door when Fulminorax strafes the battlefield is a trick, because of how the room is shaped, you have a lower chance of getting caught in a red stripe. Bugging a boss so he no longer attacks and just stands there is a cheat.
But that's how people justify cheating. If it's a bug, then it's the Devs fault or Q&A's fault for letting it into the game. It's not the players fault for exploiting it, is it? I mean, what's wrong with taking advantage of anything you can, right?
Wrong. Cheating is cheating. Exploiting a bug or loophole that was obviously unintended by the devs is cheating any way you slice it.
This discussion turned into I don't even know what. In short - there is NO justification to nerf these two lairs for Dragon Hoards, as far as skill nodes and whatever else - that's not the normal player's problem. It's not even nearly as bad as it was in Mod 4 when literally everyone macro'd foundries to abuse their hoards. I'll add to Lancer's point - EVEN if were to choose and macro the Quickling Den, the hoard drop rate is gonna burn out in what... 2 hours of combat time? That will get him what, half a stack of peridots, mayyyyyyybe? I don't know who's the HAMSTER who's gonna waste time on that. That was an unnecessary nerf, now stop boasting and posting your eCC completion videos, nobody cares about that you finished it before the DR fix, the discussion lies elsewhere. I'm pissed about this being done in a ninja matter and I'm pissed about this being done at all. 2 minutes of running these lairs a day are now wasted, I get absolutely no reward for it other than EXP and freaking what, silver? And yes, I care that much about those maybe 4 Peridots I'm gonna get, because they add up and sadly, since we get new pieces of artifact equipment we never asked for EVERY MOD, the need for RP is never gonna end.
This discussion turned into I don't even know what. In short - there is NO justification to nerf these two lairs for Dragon Hoards, as far as skill nodes and whatever else - that's not the normal player's problem. It's not even nearly as bad as it was in Mod 4 when literally everyone macro'd foundries to abuse their hoards. I'll add to Lancer's point - EVEN if were to choose and macro the Quickling Den, the hoard drop rate is gonna burn out in what... 2 hours of combat time? That will get him what, half a stack of peridots, mayyyyyyybe? I don't know who's the HAMSTER who's gonna waste time on that. That was an unnecessary nerf, now stop boasting and posting your eCC completion videos, nobody cares about that you finished it before the DR fix, the discussion lies elsewhere. I'm pissed about this being done in a ninja matter and I'm pissed about this being done at all. 2 minutes of running these lairs a day are now wasted, I get absolutely no reward for it other than EXP and freaking what, silver? And yes, I care that much about those maybe 4 Peridots I'm gonna get, because they add up and sadly, since we get new pieces of artifact equipment we never asked for EVERY MOD, the need for RP is never gonna end.
Cheers.
Sorry about derailing your thread. Yes, I can agree that RP has been nerfed a bit too hard and I can agree that removing it entirely was going too far. I think its easier to just check for players who run a particular instance of say ghost stories 30 times and then auto ban, for suspicious activity and then leave the RP as BoA.
In a game where most players don't PvP I find the whole concept of players "cheating" or gaining an unfair "advantage" laughable. I'm not in competition with anyone. Why should it matter how fast or slow my toon(s) develop or whether I find a trick to beat a boss or whatever?
Things that spoil it for other players matter. Things that affect Cryptic's income matter. But should I care if the player next to me worked harder or less hard for the same stuff I have? No, I don't think I should.
I also disagree with some folks' purist definitions of cheating. Clearly bots and Caturday type stuff are cheating. I'm not so sure that finding the safest place to stand during a boss fight is cheating. And I'm certain that standing on a narrow bridge and repelling/pushing/teleporting enemies off the edge is just sensible use of skills rather than cheating. Roleplay a little. That wizard-dude on the bridge. He's going to push those scary monsters away however he can.
PvP is a different matter, but has been discussed to the nth degree elsewhere.
I think the beef most of us have with the bots is that they are so obvious. We can see how and where they level up and we can see where they exploit after that. Those places can be made much harder to bot with little dev effort. They'll find somewhere else to do it and the cat and mouse game goes on but right now it seems there are no cats at all, not even a rubbish one.
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By the way - smart people who run scripts to bot all day don't equip Dragon hoards.
I used to use dragon hoards, not anymore. Why? because I accidentally donated one of my level 70 gear sets that had them in into the mimic in strongholds before a warning was implemented..... Couldn't be bothered to craft them again.
Not only Dragon Hoards are nerfed to the ground, aka working only 2 combat hours of the day and all drops are bound to account - now you ninja disable hoard drops from Arcane Res and Quickling Den?
Ughhh... did they really? I try to run AR on as many characters per week as possible, for the big payout of thaum stones and currency. It doesn't take all that long per character, but it ultimately adds up to a few hours across all of them.
Why should I feel like I have to do calculus to figure out what content is going to help me and help my stronghold and not waste too much time on suboptimal outcomes?
I thought I was supposed to be having fun?
Why am I not playing Foundry? Oh right, no rewards that actually help me accomplish any of the goals the game has set for me, and nerfed everything in there too.
theycallmetomuMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,861Arc User
edited September 2015
I'd also say that for a lot of us, dungeons are just too much work, even aside from the bosses. Things take too long, and NWO is fundamentally a game where most of the content is just smacking around a whole bunch of monsters in a fairly easy manner. So the dungeons are a completely different environment, and since a lot of us were sold on the game through solo, it's just too much effort to run the dungeons.
Also, like Kalindra said, and as i was alluding to, it's just more satisfying to be able to take advantage of the terrain by pushing enemies into the spikes from earlier in the dungeon than it is to just wail on them directly for an hour.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Guys, im serious, join legit to get the hang of dds and to help gear up, then find a guild as well.
I run 5-6 or more dds a day when I can, I love to bring new people into them. They are all fun for the most part.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Some people here need to have their nwo activity looked into with regards to pushing bosses into spikes and then be issued at the very least a 72 hour ban. Also, could we please return the topic to dragon hoards, since it seems that the OP has had their thread derailed again.
And its boring to watch. At all! The GWF is decent and got some pretty gear, but not the GWF is boring. Its boring that you can do every T1/T2 "legit" with an perma bubble OP + X. Just a matter of time. Thanks for all the complaints and the "perfect" solution for it. Modul 8 is modul 5 in difficulty? And sry....but USING an exploit ( even when its there) is NEVER the devs fault. And for USING an exploit there is NO EXCUSE!!
OP performance shouldn't be used to justify "buffing" NPC and new inexperienced poor-geared players should have their room to play, without being carried and pursue to exploits. There is vast gap between 1 well-geared character and team of 10 under-geared as it always was.
ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
Let's see if we can continue without the name calling.
"Meanwhile in the moderator's lounge..."
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
Is this thread still open?
My DH enchants were working in the Reservoir this past weekend. Popped a sapphire, and some other minor stuff. Just FYI. Maybe you were unlucky, maybe you were on cooldown, but they're not disabled in there.
And its boring to watch. At all! The GWF is decent and got some pretty gear, but not the GWF is boring. Its boring that you can do every T1/T2 "legit" with an perma bubble OP + X. Just a matter of time. Thanks for all the complaints and the "perfect" solution for it. Modul 8 is modul 5 in difficulty? And sry....but USING an exploit ( even when its there) is NEVER the devs fault. And for USING an exploit there is NO EXCUSE!!
Sorry but you blame a class but you are soo wrong . The slug is the problem why they introduce somthing so powerfull.
So every paladin now hou have the slug is a cheater???? This is stupid.
Not paladin is broken or GWF or SW or any one hou can deal dmg now, or protect the party.
The new stats are broken you can achive 100% chance 100% stat boosts. And on top of this add the new broken mounts stronghold boons.
Blame those not the class you want to advocate for somthing what isnt broken the stats and mounts make it broken.
Calling any one a cheater becuz he use a item (ppl feedback was a BIG NO on slug& on the new artifact weapons)but it was implement ,and he got or buyed one now he is a cheater or they class shoud be nerfed? This is a joke .
schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
edited September 2015
ironzerg79
"But ultimately I just wanted to point that out...some of the biggest botting problems aren't necessarily due to gold farmers, but by cheaters looking to get an advantage. "
Btw you shoud rethink what you wrote cuz you widly accuse any one to be a cheater hou is not you or in your guild .
I am sure this is aganst the forum rules. (mybe it was a bad word chose idk .. but it sound to me to)
Yes i buyed rank 10 enchants and have some advantage over many ppl but i am not a cheater sorry. Yes i buyed zen from arc i was looking for advantage but i am not a cheater sorry.
And ppl hou are not in your guild or not joined legit community (cuz of language problems ) are try to not "cheat" to. But ofc we want to take an advantage ower other ppl this is an mmo where you can buy from real money gear AD and whit this we gain advantage.
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There's a big difference between tricks and cheats.
Standing near the door when Fulminorax strafes the battlefield is a trick, because of how the room is shaped, you have a lower chance of getting caught in a red stripe. Bugging a boss so he no longer attacks and just stands there is a cheat.
But that's how people justify cheating. If it's a bug, then it's the Devs fault or Q&A's fault for letting it into the game. It's not the players fault for exploiting it, is it? I mean, what's wrong with taking advantage of anything you can, right?
Wrong. Cheating is cheating. Exploiting a bug or loophole that was obviously unintended by the devs is cheating any way you slice it.
Cheers.
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Things that spoil it for other players matter.
Things that affect Cryptic's income matter.
But should I care if the player next to me worked harder or less hard for the same stuff I have? No, I don't think I should.
I also disagree with some folks' purist definitions of cheating.
Clearly bots and Caturday type stuff are cheating.
I'm not so sure that finding the safest place to stand during a boss fight is cheating.
And I'm certain that standing on a narrow bridge and repelling/pushing/teleporting enemies off the edge is just sensible use of skills rather than cheating. Roleplay a little. That wizard-dude on the bridge. He's going to push those scary monsters away however he can.
PvP is a different matter, but has been discussed to the nth degree elsewhere.
I think the beef most of us have with the bots is that they are so obvious. We can see how and where they level up and we can see where they exploit after that. Those places can be made much harder to bot with little dev effort. They'll find somewhere else to do it and the cat and mouse game goes on but right now it seems there are no cats at all, not even a rubbish one.
Yeah, and also sorry for the topic derail!
But, of course, you're just constantly shifting the goal posts and are really just full of HAMSTER. \o/
Why should I feel like I have to do calculus to figure out what content is going to help me and help my stronghold and not waste too much time on suboptimal outcomes?
I thought I was supposed to be having fun?
Why am I not playing Foundry? Oh right, no rewards that actually help me accomplish any of the goals the game has set for me, and nerfed everything in there too.
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That's not cheating, it's just physics.
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Also, like Kalindra said, and as i was alluding to, it's just more satisfying to be able to take advantage of the terrain by pushing enemies into the spikes from earlier in the dungeon than it is to just wail on them directly for an hour.
I run 5-6 or more dds a day when I can, I love to bring new people into them. They are all fun for the most part.
And its boring to watch. At all! The GWF is decent and got some pretty gear, but not the GWF is boring. Its boring that you can do every T1/T2 "legit" with an perma bubble OP + X. Just a matter of time.
Thanks for all the complaints and the "perfect" solution for it. Modul 8 is modul 5 in difficulty?
And sry....but USING an exploit ( even when its there) is NEVER the devs fault. And for USING an exploit there is NO EXCUSE!!
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My DH enchants were working in the Reservoir this past weekend. Popped a sapphire, and some other minor stuff. Just FYI. Maybe you were unlucky, maybe you were on cooldown, but they're not disabled in there.
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The slug is the problem why they introduce somthing so powerfull.
So every paladin now hou have the slug is a cheater????
This is stupid.
Not paladin is broken or GWF or SW or any one hou can deal dmg now, or protect the party.
The new stats are broken you can achive 100% chance 100% stat boosts.
And on top of this add the new broken mounts stronghold boons.
Blame those not the class you want to advocate for somthing what isnt broken the stats and mounts make it broken.
Calling any one a cheater becuz he use a item (ppl feedback was a BIG NO on slug& on the new artifact weapons)but it was implement ,and he got or buyed one now he is a cheater or they class shoud be nerfed? This is a joke .
"But ultimately I just wanted to point that out...some of the biggest botting problems aren't necessarily due to gold farmers, but by cheaters looking to get an advantage. "
Btw you shoud rethink what you wrote cuz you widly accuse any one to be a cheater hou is not you or in your guild .
I am sure this is aganst the forum rules. (mybe it was a bad word chose idk .. but it sound to me to)
Yes i buyed rank 10 enchants and have some advantage over many ppl but i am not a cheater sorry.
Yes i buyed zen from arc i was looking for advantage but i am not a cheater sorry.
And ppl hou are not in your guild or not joined legit community (cuz of language problems )
are try to not "cheat" to.
But ofc we want to take an advantage ower other ppl this is an mmo where you can buy from real money gear AD and whit this we gain advantage.
But w/o us this game wont be here.