By the way, they should change the way quotations work so that they reference the posts themselves. I frequently make important changes to my posts, but they aren't reflected in subsequent quoted responses, which leads to fewer people seeing what are sometimes quite important revisions and addendum, forcing us to create new posts.
For example, I must stipulate that the reason all of these posts on Leadership will reduce the likelihood of needed changes is that, upon checking this thread, all they will see is hundreds of people posting thousands of comments on a hopeless in-game mechanic. This gives them the false impression that not terribly many people are upset over the other changes - thus, they are less likely to set them right, and thus gameplay will remain virtually fruitless and untenable.
If you want robofarming, go play farmville or something.
I was almost hiting lvl 70 whit my first char.And now lost all my AD income. only chance to get AD 1 repetable skirmish and 1 farly ok dungeon or cross my fingers and hope for a win in PVP and get 1 hit KO almost everytime.i spent like 50 euros month to this game. Now i feel sorry for myselt cause this game is so broke .
Stop the crying.. it's a bit too delusional. You cheated your way around the 24k AD refine limit and ruined the game for those of us who are actually paying customers, artificially inflated the prices on everything, manipulated the auction house, etc, etc.
Nobody cares if you leave. You are not paying anything, which means that you are not contributing anything of worth to the game. You are Neverwinter's cancer, which is now cured or at least put to a hold... 'But, but *sniff* my leadership army cost me 20 bucks.. *sniff-sniff*..' Well, your leadership army generated AD worth thousands of dollars out of thin air. In real life this is a crime and would get you sentenced to at least 5-15 years... (stealing is bad, bad, Mom and Dad should have taught you better.)
So stop the tantrum swinging, pack your things and just leave. I am waiting for the day, for over two years already. Neverwinter is going to be a better game, without the many freeloaders. Take a look at the XB 1 version of NW. No leadership leeches there. No Bot farmers there. Nothing but a healthy economy... The way it should be on the PC version, aswell.
So like i said, just leave. The game will recover, the real customers will start spending money again and you MMO-locusts/leeches can hop onto the next shiny game and ruin things over there. Everything's going to even out and everything's going to be ok.
Just my honest and humble 75 1/2 cents.
Tl, dr: You reap what you sow.
Crying hehe, i am giddy. My millions have increased in value overnight, and continue to do so. I can still circumvent the 24k refine limit, i have reaped a huge crop of ad. I will never be forced to do content i don't want to again. I just have to play the markets.
I love the change for myself. My concern is that I will end up lording over an empty kingdom.
if I do not have much time to play and if the translation of the text is correct it remains for me to get my credit card to buy Zen I change in Da? In this case the game changing economic model of free to play that became pay to play. Shame to see that change after being returned to the game after several months without login; my character is 64 and has not played for a long time very low in Da Luckily I am in a very friendly Guild if I were solo player I think I definitely quiterrais the game.
Precision does not speak English I use a translator of the net and I have not read all the responses.
This response is for the first message of discution.
Here is my opinion, good game and good luck to all.
I totally understand and Im aware of the fact a game like this one can't exist without money and paying customers. I wouldn't mind paying for another pack i dont have, but right now my wallet is closed because i want new content, because im tired of wiping dragon's bottom on 50% of the instances of the map... Man and they had to add dragons again in SH. I'm tired of the many bugs since many mods. And now guess what, im tired of running three dungeons totally legit with 4k iL players because im maining a healer and i die of boredom before we even reach the last fight. Those dungeons are too easy for 3-4k iL players...they're doable for 2.5k iL players, and just a pain in the *** for 2k iL that dont have the 4 artifacts nor at least rank 7 enchants.
Give me new content, i will give you money...
That being said, i wouldnt mind paying for something in Zen market that i would actually need... A profession pack? why... most of them are useless. A companion pack? heck no, i would need like three of those to upgrade one companion... Better save for a purple companion? Oh wait, the purple companions on Zen Market are just all useless, aside maybe the stones. So... fashion items, there it is! Wait... no who would want to run dungeons with a wedding dress? Well i have artifacts to refine, lets buy some RP. 20$ for 50k RP. Well no, for this price i'd rather farm 50k of green gears and die of old age. But I'd pay 20$ for 500k RP. At least that would lead me somewhere. Or i'd pay 2$ quite a couple of times for 50k RP, considering dragon hoards got nerfed.
Now if they wanna do money, why don't they put GMOP's in Zen Market? I do need them, and im quite sure we're a lot in this case... I'd spend some money for them. Now for sure if thats 20$ a gmop, that's when i leave the game. Where the hell goes the AD's spent for gmops? nowhere... in Wonderous Bazar! Who's the owner of this stuff? Do the AD's used for gmops there vanish? i'd like to know...
Mounts... Once you bought one, why would you bother with buying another? Unless you have money to throw out of window? XP boosters... seriously? who would buy those, aside the famous guy on this forum that can't make a single post without insulting other players... If you read that you can still "embrace my bottom" And the list can continue...but i will spare you this.
I have a question for the new players, who defend these changes. No sarcasm here. You mostly say that this change was necessary and that old players (like me) have already got enough from leadership. Sure, we spent a lot of time AND money on our leadership army. So after months/years we have reached a leadership level that could guarantee a good income. Thanks to that profession we have been able to progress in the game. And some of us still have millions of AD stored. So, how do you think you can afford GMOP, enchantments, artifacts, if the new conditions won't let you, new players, make AD? You would have been able too, like us, in a few months, or maybe years (yes, progression costs time and effort, it's not a Christmas present).
All of this discussions on Leadership and minor economy tweaks has forced me to conclude that the only way to re-focus the conversation on the real issue - namely "playtime rewards" - is to start a new thread where such discourse is expressly undesired. So, I shall do so. This thread has long since become hopeless.
If you want robofarming, go play farmville or something.
my quick opinions: Leadership in it's new form isn't useless by a long way. It needs a complete revamp of the tasks' xp/LSxp/durations, because some just don't make sense anymore. This should have been done before the AD change, though, and the fact that it wasn't shows that this change was a rushed demand from on-high.
Re-introducing (some of) the missing dungeons would have helped mitigate the discontent, as people would want to play the "newish" content instead of the same old 3, and given more variety for the longer term during the grinding.
Vendor AD costs need to be looked at. If a flat reduction isn't on the cards, maybe a chance (in addition to normal rewards) of character-bound discount vouchers in the celestial coin coffers? (Already rate-limited that way)
All this, plus some of the other suggestions to reward AD for regular game quest content so that the solo player isn't overlooked.
It is utterly tragic that most of the 0-60 dungeon content is just sitting there...unused. Horrific waste of resources available to the devs to employ.
Anyone believing this move helps against bots is utterly clueless. A player could have alts and farm leadership for AD, most did it legit, a few didn't. Under the new setup, you have to farm AD by grinding group content, a player can not play multiple characters on multiple accounts simultaneously. A bot farmer can, 24/7. They don't have multiple alt characters, they have multiple accounts.
So as the net amount of AD decreases, the only difference will be the bot farmers now charge more for less. The math isn't tricky.
If leadership was adjusted to reward account bound RP items and increased adventure XP I suspect most would be OK with that as most of us just want to feel like we're still making headway on progressing our characters.
But to many points above, there are multiple other issues going on here. The biggest problem of this change is that they took an ax to AD gain for players BEFORE they were prepared to make important adjustments to compensate the differences for legit players.
People have put hundrets of dollar and hundrets of hours into this profession.
It takes at least 3 MONTHs without bots to level it to a profitable level.
Its not about changing the mechanics or tweaking the game here and there.
People are getting ripped of their money and time. And we speak about A LOT of people. And 99% are not botters.
Granted. However it destroyed the economy. What is your solution? Turn a blind eye to the specific thing that is killing the game?
PS I would like to see your spreadsheet that led you to claim that 99% are not botters.
They turned a blind eye to AD from bugs and exploits in the past... nothing was done against those, and most of them still have millions upon millions of AD just sitting around. Not to mention, those cheaters probably made even more AD with playing the ZAX for the past few days... and during all this, the botters are still running wild through NWO.
And it might not be 99%, but you can bet that it still was a lot more then 1% playing the Leadership game well within the rules.
And there are several better solutions for Leadership in this thread here. - adding Stronghold vouchers into the slots of rAD - improving the rewards from chests - adding some of the loyal xyz items as random reward to the 1 day tasks and so on.
Last but not least, i would like to see the spredsheet showing that this change actually made a dent into the botting happening all over the game...
rapticorMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,078Arc User
"It is very hard to post responses when it is very clear the only response many of you want to see is that the leadership changes will be reversed."
Sorry, I can't buy that. What we would have LIKED to see was some sort of effort put into this change rather than just removing the daily tasks and cutting the AD from the professions. That must have taken what, a whole 15 minutes? How about putting a plan in place BEFORE a change like this? As you stated Cryptic believed this has been an issue for a long time. Surely they couldn't wait a few more weeks and implement this change the right way?
I also don't buy you saying things need to be fixed and tweaked. Well that part is true but if that happens at the same speed as the Module 6 "fixes" we were promised months ago we're in for a long wait. I for one am tired of waiting for Cryptic to fix their broken game. What I have been getting instead is a game that has become even more broken, and hostile to the players, with every patch. Some people may enjoy an abusive relationship like that but I am not one of them.
I'm not here to cry about it. I am just giving my honest feedback. Cryptic has lost a 'paying' customer and I don't think any change you make to this mess will remove that bad taste from my mouth. I'm not sure how much I spent, it hasn't been thousands like some people, but it's definitely been over $500. Even if this eventually does get sorted out it's only a matter of time before the playerbase gets burned yet again. I only wish I could get a refund on the 1000 ZEN I bought to pay for my year VIP subscription.
\You can and shall buy Zen and exchange them to AD.... ...the only problem is, soon there will be nobody left who could offer you AD.
This is the problem. They need people to buy Zen, to keep the coffers full. Only, people are going to 3rd party sellers, 'cos the cash to AD ratio is better. That costs them money. So, they have stop the gold sellers.
Go back to my Greek mythology analogy. Cryptic is Heracles and the gold sellers are the Hydra. They keep cutting off the heads, only to have them grow back. Only now, the heads have also become the player base and that is a SERIOUS problem.
It can be fixed, as I said, I have an idea, but the player base won't be happy about it.
At first......
But, you'll get your leadership armies back and your AD.
IT is very simple even with the mentality of a house plant when someone buys a 10 AD item at AH for 1 to 10 mil AD you have two people who are dishonest and all you have to do is ban both you do that several times and it stops. Stop cutting the throat of the player base and go after the ones abusing it. Sell things without trying to make a figgin killing on them then everyone even the less than rich can buy them and instead of a few buying things you have hundreds of times as many buying them. Think of real life and how it works. You have Macy's and then you have Walmart who is worth more money? I don't care about profit per item total net worth. IT is the one's who don't have thousands to pump out on a character that will make you the vast majority of your money. If you make it where they can. I would love to support Neverwinter but they have shown no respect or care for what I need and want. They are deaf dumb and blind to everything the player base wants and needs. So in my opinion they might as well close the doors and end this very bad joke. Maybe that is what they really want anyhow. just to take a loss for the tax write off then drop the pc version so they can go after the Xbox market. I really don't care anymore
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Lets be brutally honest, They could CARE less about your feedback for or against leadership, they will set up a new paradigm now every few months and shift it to their advantage for whatever is the most direct route to progress, as players pay to do this, they will shift it again.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is really a fool here. One of my reasons why I do not like this change, it now enables them to shift anytime they want without real logical explanations and care about what the playerbase thinks.
When you give them this tool without proper dissent, then this is what you will be left with. Reason and foresight brings us to this logical conclusion, these leaves either A. we argue against these type of changes without proper management and balance or B. we follow along with whatever they want and either pay or leave the game.
B. is basically a outcome of rapidly shifting player-base populations as no one can sustain this type of game for long.
then you need to consider C. , C. points to their improper handling of the last few months of terrible design and content work while making the game less enjoyable for all.
People have put hundrets of dollar and hundrets of hours into this profession.
It takes at least 3 MONTHs without bots to level it to a profitable level.
Its not about changing the mechanics or tweaking the game here and there.
People are getting ripped of their money and time. And we speak about A LOT of people. And 99% are not botters.
Granted. However it destroyed the economy. What is your solution? Turn a blind eye to the specific thing that is killing the game?
PS I would like to see your spreadsheet that led you to claim that 99% are not botters.
They turned a blind eye to AD from bugs and exploits in the past... nothing was done against those, and most of them still have millions upon millions of AD just sitting around. Not to mention, those cheaters probably made even more AD with playing the ZAX for the past few days... and during all this, the botters are still running wild through NWO.
And it might not be 99%, but you can bet that it still was a lot more then 1% playing the Leadership game well within the rules.
And there are several better solutions for Leadership in this thread here. - adding Stronghold vouchers into the slots of rAD - improving the rewards from chests - adding some of the loyal xyz items as random reward to the 1 day tasks and so on.
Last but not least, i would like to see the spredsheet showing that this change actually made a dent into the botting happening all over the game...
Turning a blind eye justifies turning a blind eye then?
Nowhere did I claim that this impacted botting. No spreadsheet required.
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
Leadership, leadership, leadership … God, people - it's clear the AD nerf on Leadership was needed - at the very least, they aren't coming back. All of this undue focus on a honeypot system is taking attention away from the other, very real problems. The more you go on about Leadership and nothing else, the less and less likely they are to fix ANYTHING.
Ok Mr. Know it all... then explain to me how people are supposed to afford dozens of GMoP, companion upgrades, and several other AD sinks now then?
bots already have a massive stockpile of AD so removing leadership dose nothing about that.
all it dose it mean that people will take longer to aquire AD puting what botters can charge for AD up.
making it more lucrative to farm AD if that is necisery/demand is there, which im not sure it is anymore.
ques are taking forever, my guild is super quite and we were pretty active, r7 guild hall before this patch, nothings moved much since.
i canceled my last 2 CC transactions just the other day because they had sneakly disabled bloodrubie discount tokens for double refine weekend.
i was never organised enough to lvl my profesions on my 13 chars, but for those that were they put in time money and effort. whilest they tecnicaly have the right to do it legaly. theres no passports in MMO's people leave freely.
when you start pulling cheap tricks like these at the very least youll find anyone with a brain will seriously consider if what they are buying is going to remain worth it and you dont want people doing that kind of mental math over virtual items
i would have spent 1000s of dollars on the cryptic franchise ironicly the least on city of heroes becuase it offered a honest upfrount subscription fee. what i would give to be able to play and enjoy a current cryptic offering for only $15 a month.
make vip remove ad costs for items BOP and unsalable only of course, and give you 1000% refinement bonus and id happily pay for vip and expect with my 4-6hrs a day of playing my various lvl 70s to have something like a enjoyable progresion.
i have no interest in spending $4000 to gear up a bard when you release them in a few months. nor will i gain a interest to do so ever.
i like alts, in CoH i had freedom guardian and virtue servers full of chars(and a few in other places, so many power set combos so little gear grind, those were the days. )
in sto i have like 13 in nw i have 13 in champions i have like 22
i like variety i play games to relax, this isn't my job.
if you keep making games like jobs expect most of your customers that still play to use some kind of aid, bots, gold sellers extra to reduce the mindless grinding and allow them to have time to enjoy themselves playing.
ps. if you wanted to hurt bots you shouldnt of made there core product rarer while leaving them with their massive stockpiles
And no, you can't call it an exploit "at best" -- it wasn't against any stated or assumed rules of the game to do it.
I can call it an exploit as much as I desire. I do not make the rules. People (including botters) were exploiting leadership to amass the gigantic sums.
ex·ploit verb ikˈsploit/ 1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource). "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology" synonyms: utilize, harness, use, make use of, turn/put to good use, make the most of, capitalize on, benefit from; informalcash in on "we should exploit this new technology"
No, they've made gameplay fruitless and untenable by lowering the value of available in-game rewards for module after module. Leadership was just the final straw. People have been discussing adjusting rewards in these forums to work appropriately for a very, very long time -- and all they ever do is nerf rewards. - macjae
A very good example of this, was during I believe the refinement changes that added Gmops? or maybe a diff refine change. Was the XP --> Usable RP in gear or maybe artifacts suggestion given by Ironzerg. What ever happened to that excellent idea.
People have put hundrets of dollar and hundrets of hours into this profession.
It takes at least 3 MONTHs without bots to level it to a profitable level.
Its not about changing the mechanics or tweaking the game here and there.
People are getting ripped of their money and time. And we speak about A LOT of people. And 99% are not botters.
Granted. However it destroyed the economy. What is your solution? Turn a blind eye to the specific thing that is killing the game?
PS I would like to see your spreadsheet that led you to claim that 99% are not botters.
Any company that sees their users as more than stones to squeeze blood from would've compensated players for these changes. We all understand that the changes to leadership will not be reversed. That still doesn't change the fact that they screwed over anyone that had invested in it.
I mean ffs look at the price of leadership assets. They dropped to half or less of what they were prior to the change. Anyone that had a pile of adventurers/heroes is out something dumb like 900k+ to 2.25 million per leadership alt.
IT is very simple even with the mentality of a house plant when someone buys a 10 AD item at AH for 1 to 10 mil AD you have two people who are dishonest and all you have to do is ban both you do that several times and it stops. Stop cutting the throat of the player base and go after the ones abusing it. ...
This would be simple, if there were no such things as 'split runs' (high value drops get sold by one member and the profit gets distributed) or VIP 12 buying GMOP for friends and getting their investment back from them (no longer needed, bc there are ppl selling GMOP for less than 75k+ AH cut) or simply long time players giving a returning friend or a new player a boost, by giving him/her some ADs.
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theycallmetomuMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,861Arc User
And no, you can't call it an exploit "at best" -- it wasn't against any stated or assumed rules of the game to do it.
I can call it an exploit as much as I desire. I do not make the rules. People (including botters) were exploiting leadership to amass the gigantic sums.
ex·ploit verb ikˈsploit/ 1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource). "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology" synonyms: utilize, harness, use, make use of, turn/put to good use, make the most of, capitalize on, benefit from; informalcash in on "we should exploit this new technology"
You're ignoring that, in the gaming community, exploit implies the usage of taking advantage of a flaw in the code to extract something from the game that wasn't intended, eg the AD exploit in the AH on the Gateway. I certainly agree that by standard english definitions, leadership armies are an exploit, but the emotional attachment to the term carries weight, and if you use words because of their "technical" definition without considering context, you're just deliberately being bad at communication.
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PS I would like to see your spreadsheet that led you to claim that 99% are not botters.
For example, I must stipulate that the reason all of these posts on Leadership will reduce the likelihood of needed changes is that, upon checking this thread, all they will see is hundreds of people posting thousands of comments on a hopeless in-game mechanic. This gives them the false impression that not terribly many people are upset over the other changes - thus, they are less likely to set them right, and thus gameplay will remain virtually fruitless and untenable.
Rage against the zeitgeist.
I love the change for myself. My concern is that I will end up lording over an empty kingdom.
if I do not have much time to play and if the translation of the text is correct it remains for me to get my credit card to buy Zen I change in Da?
In this case the game changing economic model of free to play that became pay to play.
Shame to see that change after being returned to the game after several months without login;
my character is 64 and has not played for a long time very low in Da
Luckily I am in a very friendly Guild if I were solo player I think I definitely quiterrais the game.
Precision does not speak English I use a translator of the net and I have not read all the responses.
This response is for the first message of discution.
Here is my opinion, good game and good luck to all.
Give me new content, i will give you money...
That being said, i wouldnt mind paying for something in Zen market that i would actually need... A profession pack? why... most of them are useless. A companion pack? heck no, i would need like three of those to upgrade one companion... Better save for a purple companion? Oh wait, the purple companions on Zen Market are just all useless, aside maybe the stones. So... fashion items, there it is! Wait... no who would want to run dungeons with a wedding dress? Well i have artifacts to refine, lets buy some RP. 20$ for 50k RP. Well no, for this price i'd rather farm 50k of green gears and die of old age. But I'd pay 20$ for 500k RP. At least that would lead me somewhere. Or i'd pay 2$ quite a couple of times for 50k RP, considering dragon hoards got nerfed.
Now if they wanna do money, why don't they put GMOP's in Zen Market? I do need them, and im quite sure we're a lot in this case... I'd spend some money for them. Now for sure if thats 20$ a gmop, that's when i leave the game. Where the hell goes the AD's spent for gmops? nowhere... in Wonderous Bazar! Who's the owner of this stuff? Do the AD's used for gmops there vanish? i'd like to know...
Mounts... Once you bought one, why would you bother with buying another? Unless you have money to throw out of window?
XP boosters... seriously? who would buy those, aside the famous guy on this forum that can't make a single post without insulting other players... If you read that you can still "embrace my bottom"
And the list can continue...but i will spare you this.
Rage against the zeitgeist.
It is utterly tragic that most of the 0-60 dungeon content is just sitting there...unused. Horrific waste of resources available to the devs to employ.
Anyone believing this move helps against bots is utterly clueless. A player could have alts and farm leadership for AD, most did it legit, a few didn't. Under the new setup, you have to farm AD by grinding group content, a player can not play multiple characters on multiple accounts simultaneously. A bot farmer can, 24/7. They don't have multiple alt characters, they have multiple accounts.
So as the net amount of AD decreases, the only difference will be the bot farmers now charge more for less. The math isn't tricky.
If leadership was adjusted to reward account bound RP items and increased adventure XP I suspect most would be OK with that as most of us just want to feel like we're still making headway on progressing our characters.
But to many points above, there are multiple other issues going on here. The biggest problem of this change is that they took an ax to AD gain for players BEFORE they were prepared to make important adjustments to compensate the differences for legit players.
Not to mention, those cheaters probably made even more AD with playing the ZAX for the past few days... and during all this, the botters are still running wild through NWO.
And it might not be 99%, but you can bet that it still was a lot more then 1% playing the Leadership game well within the rules.
And there are several better solutions for Leadership in this thread here.
- adding Stronghold vouchers into the slots of rAD
- improving the rewards from chests
- adding some of the loyal xyz items as random reward to the 1 day tasks
and so on.
Last but not least, i would like to see the spredsheet showing that this change actually made a dent into the botting happening all over the game...
Sorry, I can't buy that. What we would have LIKED to see was some sort of effort put into this change rather than just removing the daily tasks and cutting the AD from the professions. That must have taken what, a whole 15 minutes? How about putting a plan in place BEFORE a change like this? As you stated Cryptic believed this has been an issue for a long time. Surely they couldn't wait a few more weeks and implement this change the right way?
I also don't buy you saying things need to be fixed and tweaked. Well that part is true but if that happens at the same speed as the Module 6 "fixes" we were promised months ago we're in for a long wait. I for one am tired of waiting for Cryptic to fix their broken game. What I have been getting instead is a game that has become even more broken, and hostile to the players, with every patch. Some people may enjoy an abusive relationship like that but I am not one of them.
I'm not here to cry about it. I am just giving my honest feedback. Cryptic has lost a 'paying' customer and I don't think any change you make to this mess will remove that bad taste from my mouth. I'm not sure how much I spent, it hasn't been thousands like some people, but it's definitely been over $500. Even if this eventually does get sorted out it's only a matter of time before the playerbase gets burned yet again. I only wish I could get a refund on the 1000 ZEN I bought to pay for my year VIP subscription.
Signed, a very unhappy customer.
Half a year ago (Mod6) professions were extended to level 25. Leadership got several new tasks with AD :>
Anyone who thinks otherwise is really a fool here. One of my reasons why I do not like this change, it now enables them to shift anytime they want without real logical explanations and care about what the playerbase thinks.
When you give them this tool without proper dissent, then this is what you will be left with. Reason and foresight brings us to this logical conclusion, these leaves either A. we argue against these type of changes without proper management and balance or B. we follow along with whatever they want and either pay or leave the game.
B. is basically a outcome of rapidly shifting player-base populations as no one can sustain this type of game for long.
then you need to consider C. , C. points to their improper handling of the last few months of terrible design and content work while making the game less enjoyable for all.
Leadership ADs and economy tweaks ARE NOT our biggest problems!!!
Rage against the zeitgeist.
Nowhere did I claim that this impacted botting. No spreadsheet required.
all it dose it mean that people will take longer to aquire AD puting what botters can charge for AD up.
making it more lucrative to farm AD if that is necisery/demand is there, which im not sure it is anymore.
ques are taking forever, my guild is super quite and we were pretty active, r7 guild hall before this patch, nothings moved much since.
i canceled my last 2 CC transactions just the other day because they had sneakly disabled bloodrubie discount tokens for double refine weekend.
i was never organised enough to lvl my profesions on my 13 chars, but for those that were they put in time money and effort. whilest they tecnicaly have the right to do it legaly. theres no passports in MMO's people leave freely.
when you start pulling cheap tricks like these at the very least youll find anyone with a brain will seriously consider if what they are buying is going to remain worth it and you dont want people doing that kind of mental math over virtual items
i would have spent 1000s of dollars on the cryptic franchise ironicly the least on city of heroes becuase it offered a honest upfrount subscription fee. what i would give to be able to play and enjoy a current cryptic offering for only $15 a month.
make vip remove ad costs for items BOP and unsalable only of course, and give you 1000% refinement bonus and id happily pay for vip and expect with my 4-6hrs a day of playing my various lvl 70s to have something like a enjoyable progresion.
i have no interest in spending $4000 to gear up a bard when you release them in a few months. nor will i gain a interest to do so ever.
i like alts, in CoH i had freedom guardian and virtue servers full of chars(and a few in other places, so many power set combos so little gear grind, those were the days.
in sto i have like 13 in nw i have 13 in champions i have like 22
i like variety i play games to relax, this isn't my job.
if you keep making games like jobs expect most of your customers that still play to use some kind of aid, bots, gold sellers extra to reduce the mindless grinding and allow them to have time to enjoy themselves playing.
ps. if you wanted to hurt bots you shouldnt of made there core product rarer while leaving them with their massive stockpiles
ex·ploit
verb
ikˈsploit/
1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
"500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology"
synonyms: utilize, harness, use, make use of, turn/put to good use, make the most of, capitalize on, benefit from; informalcash in on
"we should exploit this new technology"
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- Dylan Thomas
Rage against the zeitgeist.
I mean ffs look at the price of leadership assets. They dropped to half or less of what they were prior to the change. Anyone that had a pile of adventurers/heroes is out something dumb like 900k+ to 2.25 million per leadership alt.