So, any news @strumslinger ? I know that yesterday was probably a busy day ay cryptic to say the least, but we would apreciate some info on the foundry.
Haha, gotta give me some time to sleep, guys. I just got in the office. Foundry will be up a few days after the Strongholds PvP release!
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
Really shame PWE felt they needed to cut back on the work force. The DEVs could have gotten so much done a while back if there weren't so few of em working on the game now.
The shame isn't cutting back, it's simply not ever hiring someone dedicated to improving the Foundry. What they see as 'exploits' as an excuse to remove foundry features are what I call 'logic errors', that can be removed from the game. They are still advertising 'infinite end game content', yet have been restricting and limiting the tool that allows for that since I began playing.
I came back for SH, hoping for new content. I was sad too see that they are expecting us to treat the old 'end game content' as 'the new end game content'. From a consumer point of view, this is counter-intuitive to market trends.
what bothers me is that we foundry authors are asking for so little, and yet they can't even give us that. fixing the teleporter bug should not be hard. adding ranger/warlock/paladin armor should not be hard, and yet it has been months/years and it has not been done. thinking in a way to better rewards and make them non exploitable should not be hard, but yet it has not been done. the foundry has been ignored with each new module more and more unfixed bugs appear with it.
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instynctiveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,885Arc User
Half the reason I downloaded this game was the Foundry. (The other half was that it had D&D logos plastered all over it).
I'm finding all the propaganda to be a touch misleading... :-/ Makes me sad.
"Foundry will be up soon"
"We'll do some Foundry development after mod X releases"
"...after strongholds PvP releases."
"...after the moon explodes."
Empty words.
I think Foundry is comatose, and Cryptic "was" focusing all their effort/eggs in the "top secret project" they've been working hard on for a couple years -- rumored to be a "Jurassic Park" game, and suddenly discovered Ark:Survival Evolved at E3 and realized their "MMO every 18 months" using the same old 15 year old decrepit engine was about to be chewed up and spit out like rotten fruit.
At least SCL is run by people who actually PLAY D&D regularly and actually listen to community feedback.
Sure their "foundry" is immature - but look at the horrid start this one had -- not even 3D editing.
At least SCL is run by people who actually PLAY D&D regularly and actually listen to community feedback.
Sure their "foundry" is immature - but look at the horrid start this one had -- not even 3D editing.
I hate to be the negative nelly, but I don't think SCL isn't going to get all those things people are asking for in that giant request thread. I hope I am wrong but it's going to be a replay of early Foundry days. Namely lots of promises and a community so eager they shout down the dissent that turns out to be right.
Non mmo games don't normally get a lot of features patched in. It's what you see at launch, maybe with some minor added authoring functionality via patch. You'll see the periodic new tilesets and critters with the DLC packs of course. I'd be very surprised if they added a bunch of stuff for authoring solo play adventures, as their design document is pretty clearly "DM will handle it".
I read over there that someone said they saw a 3 level dungeon quest created in 10 minutes. That's actually a bad thing, for the same reason quick Foundry creation is bad here. The good stuff will get drowned out in the sea of quickly made junk just like it did here. With the time required to make a good module, it will be lost in the "foundry", buried under thousands of "3 level dungeon quest made in 10 minutes".
That thread over in the SCL forums is a huge list of things the Neverwinter Nights games already do. There's threads on NWN forums laughing at SCL not being able to do things NWN games have done since they were released.
1-. UGC tools will evolve to simplicity, because only a few want to learn scripting/programming, not to mention design 3D objects, texturing and rigging them, even animate them? Not going to happen.
2-. Aurora toolset was an amazing tool, but if you are running a company, you want to reach as many people as you can, then you need to simplify your tools to a level that even a complete idiot can actually do something (for example: a Fast Review quest!) Aurora toolset will not happen again, ever.
3-. Hell, even with the foundry there are people that says "Oh my God! This is to complicated! This is very difficult! Rotate an object? how? eh? No, no, thanks, it's very difficult" And you want a new and shiny Aurora toolset??? No, not going to happen.
4-. SCL has done an UGC tool that it's fine, understandable by probably a lot of people. I saw some streams, and even in their current limited state, I saw a huge opportunites to do amazing things. It's not the tool, is how you use it: women know a lot about this :P
5-. And of course "the good stuff will get drowned out in the sea of quickly made junk just like it did here", this will happen with every UGC tool you'll see in the future. And everywhere and every time, you'll need to promote your "work" to get a few plays, if you do things well, your work will stand, if not... (Nothing is easy in this life, nothing is for free.)
6-. BTW, if any of you want a real UGC tool, one where you can do everything you want, there are free tools out there that will allow you to accomplish your dreams, unity for example. Oh, wait, too complicated? too expensive assets? Goto 1
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torontodaveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 992Arc User
I was really hoping that the Foundry being down was a symptom of some sort of upgrade.
Now that it's set to return without any fanfare, "a couple weeks" after SH Siege launch.. makes me just think they forgot to turn it on.
Sigh. =/
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I am a new player but have been wanting to try foundry been waiting since lvl 15, i am now lvl 60, when will this feature be back up? My boyfriend runs real dungeon and dragon games and has may dungeons he has designed I would love to see made in foundry. Is it ever coming back or it that button there just to tease?
Nice to that we rank /after/ the next rapid-release mod and the PVP expansion for it. A few authors I know have had their patience pushed too far and simply left. I doubt the 'assurance' that it will be up some time after the PVP expansion is going to convince them back.
I might go over my old works when/if it does go back up and do some updating for solo difficulty.
give you some time I can do that ok times up its been down for month I know this because I bought vip and it expired does it seriously take a month to get foundry back up after update?
No this is the longest it has ever taken for Foundry to return. Normally it's only a week at the most. I'm glad that they have said it's coming back, but at the same time I'm not going to get happy until I see it actually return, and all my Foundry are still there.
Then comes the fun part of seeing what they broke, and how I need to fix it in all my quests, which may be impossible to do in the Toolset if they haven't fixed the teleporter bug in preview mode. Since it literally makes it impossible to test your quests without publishing them if they have a lot of indoor areas with teleporters...
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No this is the longest it has ever taken for Foundry to return. Normally it's only a week at the most. I'm glad that they have said it's coming back, but at the same time I'm not going to get happy until I see it actually return, and all my Foundry are still there.
Then comes the fun part of seeing what they broke, and how I need to fix it in all my quests, which may be impossible to do in the Toolset if they haven't fixed the teleporter bug in preview mode. Since it literally makes it impossible to test your quests without publishing them if they have a lot of indoor areas with teleporters...
The other part that is worrying is that normally they have re-published all the non-featured/new/for-review quests within about 3 weeks. I believe they still only have featured/best re-published. Bodes ill.
1032 quests uploaded, (featured and non-featured). So maybe by 18th there are all uploaded and the foundry up again.
That's some good news. And since Stronghold PvP launched today, we'll see if Foundry will be back up in the few days they said it would be.
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It's Just a Flesh Wound Pt. 2 - NW-DFADOS4EX Monty Python!
YES! i'd all but given up on this game heard the Stronghold PvP came out and i see this
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torontodaveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 992Arc User
my quests came back today.. dunno if the foundry is actually 'online' and available for edits though. looking forward to getting back to my spinward shore. ;D
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I alrady have planned a few new maps. that being said if we don't even get 4k by running 4 foundry quests then I feat even less people will play them Like if getting plays wasn't hard enough already.
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Foundry Grand Master.
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I came back for SH, hoping for new content. I was sad too see that they are expecting us to treat the old 'end game content' as 'the new end game content'. From a consumer point of view, this is counter-intuitive to market trends.
fixing the teleporter bug should not be hard. adding ranger/warlock/paladin armor should not be hard, and yet it has been months/years and it has not been done.
thinking in a way to better rewards and make them non exploitable should not be hard, but yet it has not been done.
the foundry has been ignored with each new module more and more unfixed bugs appear with it.
I'm finding all the propaganda to be a touch misleading... :-/ Makes me sad.
But like Dory, I'll just keep swimming.
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
"Foundry will be up soon"
"We'll do some Foundry development after mod X releases"
"...after strongholds PvP releases."
"...after the moon explodes."
Empty words.
I think Foundry is comatose, and Cryptic "was" focusing all their effort/eggs in the "top secret project" they've been working hard on for a couple years -- rumored to be a "Jurassic Park" game, and suddenly discovered Ark:Survival Evolved at E3 and realized their "MMO every 18 months" using the same old 15 year old decrepit engine was about to be chewed up and spit out like rotten fruit.
At least SCL is run by people who actually PLAY D&D regularly and actually listen to community feedback.
Sure their "foundry" is immature - but look at the horrid start this one had -- not even 3D editing.
Encounter Matrix | Advanced Foundry Topics
Non mmo games don't normally get a lot of features patched in. It's what you see at launch, maybe with some minor added authoring functionality via patch. You'll see the periodic new tilesets and critters with the DLC packs of course. I'd be very surprised if they added a bunch of stuff for authoring solo play adventures, as their design document is pretty clearly "DM will handle it".
I read over there that someone said they saw a 3 level dungeon quest created in 10 minutes. That's actually a bad thing, for the same reason quick Foundry creation is bad here. The good stuff will get drowned out in the sea of quickly made junk just like it did here. With the time required to make a good module, it will be lost in the "foundry", buried under thousands of "3 level dungeon quest made in 10 minutes".
That thread over in the SCL forums is a huge list of things the Neverwinter Nights games already do. There's threads on NWN forums laughing at SCL not being able to do things NWN games have done since they were released.
2-. Aurora toolset was an amazing tool, but if you are running a company, you want to reach as many people as you can, then you need to simplify your tools to a level that even a complete idiot can actually do something (for example: a Fast Review quest!) Aurora toolset will not happen again, ever.
3-. Hell, even with the foundry there are people that says "Oh my God! This is to complicated! This is very difficult! Rotate an object? how? eh? No, no, thanks, it's very difficult" And you want a new and shiny Aurora toolset??? No, not going to happen.
4-. SCL has done an UGC tool that it's fine, understandable by probably a lot of people. I saw some streams, and even in their current limited state, I saw a huge opportunites to do amazing things. It's not the tool, is how you use it: women know a lot about this :P
5-. And of course "the good stuff will get drowned out in the sea of quickly made junk just like it did here", this will happen with every UGC tool you'll see in the future. And everywhere and every time, you'll need to promote your "work" to get a few plays, if you do things well, your work will stand, if not... (Nothing is easy in this life, nothing is for free.)
6-. BTW, if any of you want a real UGC tool, one where you can do everything you want, there are free tools out there that will allow you to accomplish your dreams, unity for example. Oh, wait, too complicated? too expensive assets? Goto 1
NWS-DOVA9JIJV - The Lost Seneschal
NW-DT3221YUY - The Wildcross Bride
Foundry Grand Master.
Now that it's set to return without any fanfare, "a couple weeks" after SH Siege launch.. makes me just think they forgot to turn it on.
Sigh. =/
NW-DC9R4J5EH - 'The Black Pearl' - Spelljammer! Phlo Riders and Space Orcs
Thanks for all the fish.
NWS-DOVA9JIJV - The Lost Seneschal
NW-DT3221YUY - The Wildcross Bride
Foundry Grand Master.
I might go over my old works when/if it does go back up and do some updating for solo difficulty.
NW-DHNVMMGVJ Dragons horde part one.
http://youtu.be/0KbqTWeJqxc
Then comes the fun part of seeing what they broke, and how I need to fix it in all my quests, which may be impossible to do in the Toolset if they haven't fixed the teleporter bug in preview mode. Since it literally makes it impossible to test your quests without publishing them if they have a lot of indoor areas with teleporters...
Search @Longshire for 12 Foundry Quests, all are story driven adventures
Story -- Medium/Heavy, Combat -- Light/Medium, Lore -- Medium/Heavy
The other part that is worrying is that normally they have re-published all the non-featured/new/for-review quests within about 3 weeks. I believe they still only have featured/best re-published. Bodes ill.
Encounter Matrix | Advanced Foundry Topics
1032 quests uploaded, (featured and non-featured). So maybe by 18th there are all uploaded and the foundry up again.
NWS-DOVA9JIJV - The Lost Seneschal
NW-DT3221YUY - The Wildcross Bride
Foundry Grand Master.
House of 1000 Corpses - NW-DIEYVLCML D&D Adventures Part II
Well of Dragons - NW-DTPJEKZCT Third Place Winner CotD Foundry Contest
It's Just a Flesh Wound Pt. 1 - NW-DM8GHAME2 Monty Python!
It's Just a Flesh Wound Pt. 2 - NW-DFADOS4EX Monty Python!
NW-DC9R4J5EH - 'The Black Pearl' - Spelljammer! Phlo Riders and Space Orcs
Thanks for all the fish.