Only if its the GM/Guild Leader who can see it. I understand some players just can not contribute like others due to time constraints, interest in play, etc; but others would like to contribute as much as they can. It could be used as tool for a great guild leader to help build the guild/community.
But it would depend completely on the GM/GL and what they do with it.
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I could see how a guild leader could be pressured into feeling like more of a "job" like position thrust upon them. And some guilds just want to relax and chill or do whatever; if people play the content they'll advance. So I could also vote no.
beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
No, I don't want to be discriminated in any way
I've already seen people getting kicked from guilds for "not donating enough".
If it exists, it will be abused. It doesn't matter if people are saying, "Oh, but I personally would never abuse it", because others absolutely would. Make do without.
I've already seen people getting kicked from guilds for "not donating enough".
If it exists, it will be abused. It doesn't matter if people are saying, "Oh, but I personally would never abuse it", because others absolutely would. Make do without.
I understand the fear, but if only top x is diplayed they will not be able to see who is not contributing and only who is contributing most.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,456Arc User
edited August 2015
No, I don't want to be discriminated in any way
No because I don't see the point of it and the information can be misleading.
1. You can't tell if the person is not willing to donate or he is very willing to donate but he cannot donate because the coffer is filled. I would be very happy to donate everything to get my inventory space back.
2. If you don't donate, you gain nothing. That is if you don't donate, you don't have reward. Donate gives Guild Mark. No donation no Guild Mark. No Guild Mark, you cannot buy anything from Stronghold. What can this person leech?
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Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I want to see who is contributing to Stronghold as all this projest should be based on team work. I dont like the idea that someone is just staying on side and let rest of comunity work for him. In my eyes is a tool that should tell us who is trying to do something and who is not dooing absolutely anything. As it is now the leechers will have an easy life.
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cbrowne0329Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 293Arc User
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I don't get why you wouldn't want to see it. I thought the whole purpose of joining a guild was to join with people of likes? If you are just in a guild for kicks, I can see this being an issue. If your guild is laid back, GL is probably laid back, if it's hardcore so likely are the rules.
This complaining that some people are hogging the coffer, this would also help you guys. GL can tell the person hold off donating for a few days while people catch up, etc.
Heh... but then again I'm a one man guild because... well 3... but they never seem to play. lolz.
I would like to be able to see who contributes, but not to "see who does nothing." It is a sad reminder of the world we live in that everyone automatically jumps to abuse and negativity.
Maybe i'm not your average guild leader, but i sometimes go to bed. While i'm in bed, guild members from around the world are in-game, and may be donating. Then, sometimes i have to work, and again guild members from around the world may be in-game, and may be donating. My guild officers and i have discussed the idea of rewarding members who are helping us reach our building goals, but have no intention of punishing those who aren't. But, we do not have the luxury of standing next to the coffer 24/7 to monitor donations.
You don't need anything to see who's contributing. If you don't contribute, you don't get the gear. There's nothing to leech in the respect. And before you start about boons... if a new member joins after you have the boons that new player hasn't worked for them either and he still gets them. So what's the problem here? I don't see it.
That point of view can be OK for a small guilds but im a member of a big one, with all lvl 70ies and were running out of space. In our position having someone who is "too old to do dailies and HEs for influence" means putting him on same lvl of who is active and sticking in (on his possibilities obviously) contribuitons. We need a tool that will give us possibility, even just in guild rankings, to reward active players against the "im too old for this" members. Or even to get rid of them since we will get gear and weapons anyway and at that point they will not deserve them at all.
It's not fair that we can't reward active members.
IMHO who is scared to be kicked out of his guild becouse of low contributions is in a wrong guild anyway and they will get rid of him soon or later.
You don't need anything to see who's contributing. If you don't contribute, you don't get the gear. There's nothing to leech in the respect. And before you start about boons... if a new member joins after you have the boons that new player hasn't worked for them either and he still gets them. So what's the problem here? I don't see it.
That point of view can be OK for a small guilds but im a member of a big one, with all lvl 70ies and were running out of space. In our position having someone who is "too old to do dailies and HEs for influence" means putting him on same lvl of who is active and sticking in (on his possibilities obviously) contribuitons. We need a tool that will give us possibility, even just in guild rankings, to reward active players against the "im too old for this" members. Or even to get rid of them since we will get gear and weapons anyway and at that point they will not deserve them at all.
It's not fair that we can't reward active members.
IMHO who is scared to be kicked out of his guild becouse of low contributions is in a wrong guild anyway and they will get rid of him soon or later.
And this is why guilds should never have been made more than a roster and chat channel. The attitude is disgusting.
And this is why guilds should never have been made more than a roster and chat channel. The attitude is disgusting.
Yep, lets get rid of Strongholds and go back to a dead game as it was 2 weeks ago, you're right. Or delete your toon after u hit lvl 70 or don't lvl it at all. At the end of the day you don't need a lvl 70 toon for a Roster and G chat anyway right? Yep, yep, you're absolutely right! Why should I try to evolve my toon? it's not needed at all!!!! But wait... neither a game is needed... Now I'm confused... Help!
BTW: People have right to a different point of view than yours, no need to be rude.
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I voted YES purely from my guild's perspective as I'd like to reward and acknowledge the active contributors. I'm a firm believer of "Give credit when credit is due".
However, I fully understand the many concerns folks have here about the abuse that'll follow once such info is "in the wrong hands".
Like many said, this is a double-edged sword.
Right now, I believe guild leaders are relying on gut feel to assess the contribution levels and to reward/acknowledge those active contributors.
Guess there's no one perfect system and either ways have their pros and cons...
BTW: People have right to a different point of view than yours, no need to be rude.
Considering the history such things have, of destroying game communities and decreasing their populations to dead levels, there is no other response I can make. The idea is that bad. If you asked me if I wanted to punch myself in the balls I would weight that idea with more positives than the ideas in this thread. The supporters of this have nothing redeemable to their opinions.
arcticblitzMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 126Arc User
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I'm going with Yes, In our guild as with others contribution forms part of gaining guild rank in which guild bank deposit records were a helpful thing (Contribution in our guild is not solely limited to items or gold , but also behaviors and helping others).
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You're sick. You have a problem with solo-players, big one. Your pride over zero makes me cringe.
No, to solo players their own. I respect their willing to play alone surrounded by other ghosts or to get into temporary parties, it's not a problem to me at all (how would it affect me?).
Here we are talking about giving a tool to let guild masters reward committing people (if I know who do I can give out rewards). In all civil societies there are such systems, in mine country for example we give 'privileges' (like the title of 'knighthood') to important people (scientists, entrepreneurs, etc.).
Every system will be abused that's obvious, people kicked because they do nothing isn't different by people kicked because not logged in for x days or because don't comply to guild's rules or don't answer to an help call, etc.
If you live in the fear of being abused you will not do anything, anywhere. Be strong. (pull out of your misery)
When 99 times out of 100 it will be used for abuse it's a horrible idea. You've even tried to defend abuse earlier after saying you'd engage in it. You are someone that many wouldn't want to play with.
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
Yes, not to punish, but to reward, see who is contributing and to concentrate efforts.
We need influence, like most other guilds. In the first days of strongholds I saw ppl running T2 dungeons with ill equiped toons, to get the reward, neglecting HEs. We released a guild massage, to tell ppl, that they should concentrate on HEs, influence drops inceased.
With a tool to monitor donations, you could see who is commited and reward them and you might find one or two players who did not understand the system fully, talk to them and bundle efforts. Furthermore vouchers are spamming our inventory, so we told ppl to just spent vouchers, stronghold currency etc and no gold, enchants etc. If someone, for example, caps gold, to get easy marks, resulting in all the other guld members to be unable to get rid of vouchers, it is a bad move and it should be adressed.
BTW, the argument 'who does not contribute cant buy anything' is BS. I could have capped all my chars with glory donations on day 1. I play since beta and I could donate 8k+ gold for easy marks. I capped some campain currencies and donate them, instead I do HEs with 5 chars, to get influence. Less marks, more time, but better for the guild.
On a side note, the problem with 'no influence from HEs' can be adressed, by doing small HEs and not spamming collect. Everyone in my guild knows this. If someone starts by farming epic HEs and and complains about no inflence reward, he either did not listen or he does not care and pretends, to do HEs for the guild and not just for his personal gain.
Last but not least, the questions are biased, implying, that the possibility to see contributions results in discrimination. This is called a 'leading question' practiced by marketers all over the world, as the OP already said himself.
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torontodaveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 992Arc User
just add a column to the guild roster showing total accumulated(earned) guild marks. (incl ones already spent)
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klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
edited August 2015
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I voted yes because discrimination happens regardless if the guild leader or officers are intent on discriminating anyway, but for those who are not, this would be a cool way to track, express gratitude and reward active members.
There could be an option to disable it for the guilds that don't want to display it or set it via privilege for the various ranks, of course.
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But it would depend completely on the GM/GL and what they do with it.
"With great power, comes great responsibility" - Uncle Ben
I could see how a guild leader could be pressured into feeling like more of a "job" like position thrust upon them. And some guilds just want to relax and chill or do whatever; if people play the content they'll advance. So I could also vote no.
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If it exists, it will be abused. It doesn't matter if people are saying, "Oh, but I personally would never abuse it", because others absolutely would. Make do without.
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I understand the fear, but if only top x is diplayed they will not be able to see who is not contributing and only who is contributing most.
RIP Real Tiamat, RIP Real Demogorgon RIP real Temple of the spider. Why remove non bis content to give to bis players ????
FORCING the majority of your player base to play 4 mod old dungeons and trial will have a bad result on player base
Changes are getting so bad i would rather prefer no new changes (RIP ICE FISHING in winter fest)
1. You can't tell if the person is not willing to donate or he is very willing to donate but he cannot donate because the coffer is filled. I would be very happy to donate everything to get my inventory space back.
2. If you don't donate, you gain nothing. That is if you don't donate, you don't have reward. Donate gives Guild Mark. No donation no Guild Mark. No Guild Mark, you cannot buy anything from Stronghold. What can this person leech?
This complaining that some people are hogging the coffer, this would also help you guys. GL can tell the person hold off donating for a few days while people catch up, etc.
Heh... but then again I'm a one man guild because... well 3... but they never seem to play. lolz.
Maybe i'm not your average guild leader, but i sometimes go to bed. While i'm in bed, guild members from around the world are in-game, and may be donating. Then, sometimes i have to work, and again guild members from around the world may be in-game, and may be donating. My guild officers and i have discussed the idea of rewarding members who are helping us reach our building goals, but have no intention of punishing those who aren't. But, we do not have the luxury of standing next to the coffer 24/7 to monitor donations.
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That point of view can be OK for a small guilds but im a member of a big one, with all lvl 70ies and were running out of space. In our position having someone who is "too old to do dailies and HEs for influence" means putting him on same lvl of who is active and sticking in (on his possibilities obviously) contribuitons. We need a tool that will give us possibility, even just in guild rankings, to reward active players against the "im too old for this" members. Or even to get rid of them since we will get gear and weapons anyway and at that point they will not deserve them at all.
It's not fair that we can't reward active members.
IMHO who is scared to be kicked out of his guild becouse of low contributions is in a wrong guild anyway and they will get rid of him soon or later.
And this is why guilds should never have been made more than a roster and chat channel. The attitude is disgusting.
Yep, lets get rid of Strongholds and go back to a dead game as it was 2 weeks ago, you're right. Or delete your toon after u hit lvl 70 or don't lvl it at all. At the end of the day you don't need a lvl 70 toon for a Roster and G chat anyway right? Yep, yep, you're absolutely right! Why should I try to evolve my toon? it's not needed at all!!!! But wait... neither a game is needed... Now I'm confused... Help!
BTW: People have right to a different point of view than yours, no need to be rude.
However, I fully understand the many concerns folks have here about the abuse that'll follow once such info is "in the wrong hands".
Like many said, this is a double-edged sword.
Right now, I believe guild leaders are relying on gut feel to assess the contribution levels and to reward/acknowledge those active contributors.
Guess there's no one perfect system and either ways have their pros and cons...
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When 99 times out of 100 it will be used for abuse it's a horrible idea. You've even tried to defend abuse earlier after saying you'd engage in it. You are someone that many wouldn't want to play with.
We need influence, like most other guilds. In the first days of strongholds I saw ppl running T2 dungeons with ill equiped toons, to get the reward, neglecting HEs. We released a guild massage, to tell ppl, that they should concentrate on HEs, influence drops inceased.
With a tool to monitor donations, you could see who is commited and reward them and you might find one or two players who did not understand the system fully, talk to them and bundle efforts. Furthermore vouchers are spamming our inventory, so we told ppl to just spent vouchers, stronghold currency etc and no gold, enchants etc. If someone, for example, caps gold, to get easy marks, resulting in all the other guld members to be unable to get rid of vouchers, it is a bad move and it should be adressed.
BTW, the argument 'who does not contribute cant buy anything' is BS. I could have capped all my chars with glory donations on day 1. I play since beta and I could donate 8k+ gold for easy marks. I capped some campain currencies and donate them, instead I do HEs with 5 chars, to get influence. Less marks, more time, but better for the guild.
On a side note, the problem with 'no influence from HEs' can be adressed, by doing small HEs and not spamming collect. Everyone in my guild knows this. If someone starts by farming epic HEs and and complains about no inflence reward, he either did not listen or he does not care and pretends, to do HEs for the guild and not just for his personal gain.
Last but not least, the questions are biased, implying, that the possibility to see contributions results in discrimination. This is called a 'leading question' practiced by marketers all over the world, as the OP already said himself.
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I like the idea of a guild massage. Do you offer, um, "extras"?
There could be an option to disable it for the guilds that don't want to display it or set it via privilege for the various ranks, of course.