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So with Mod 6 Guardian Fighters were buffed. I haven't leveled one to 70 yet (leveling through PvP) but it seems to me they're really good now. weren't that bad before.
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WTB Class Reroll please
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WTB Class Reroll please
Feels almost as cheap as playing TR now ._. Barely need a half of the rotation to kill an enemy now.
WTB Class Reroll please
Another variant is Anvil of Doom instead of Bullcharge. Works like a charm.
I like to have both bull charge AND anvil of lols slotted because I am just a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> like that. :cool:
knee breaker + red glyh and the new dot is better than anvil
regards
3x Griffon's Wrath isn't that effective against TRs, HRs, and GWFs. The first two classes an just deflect after one or two griffons and barely take any damage. The lack of burst from having to press it 3x gives the GWF an opportunity to be Unstoppable.
Flourish > Bullcharge them into some wall, come to them and beat them with gryffon's strike till they are proned, with zero deflect chance.
WTB Class Reroll please
All the crying about classes...there are more good classes now than ever, they just really need to turn up gwf and sw. That is a GOOD thing.
They shouldnt buff them but nerf other classes imo.
The GF is the only class that has never gotten away with silliness. GWFs, TRs, CWs and HRs ran around for entire Mods and sometimes two successive Mods before they were looked at whereas the minute a GF starts kicking butt it is broken fairly quickly.
Remember the tears about KV and glyphs? Instead of fixing the stupid glyphs they just broke the GF. Then fixed the glyphs to add further insult.
Before red glif nerf i used bull charge, flurish, knee breaker. After that it wasnt so efective. Maybe with new stats it will come back. Now im more in green+blue.
Steel and Magic
My Flourish /3 GW/Anvil +Crescendo rotation does less or equal to one of your Disintegrate 5 sec encounter..What massive boost you are talking about??
About HRs?Have anyone of you fought a 70lv HR on ptr?
Well after the first kill and the HR understands that you hit not as a wet noodle now,stays in disstance and starts contricting arrow and hindering shot.If you drop him even at 80% hp it will be a success.
Against TR it is worst than Mod5 by far.No stealth reveal no regen.Tr can kill you just by CoS from stealth.
Against CW....what to tell now...81k encounter every 5.7 secs.NON CRIT.Nough said.
GF got a pittyfull boost.Needs more cc and more defense /
Our GW stun is 1.5 sec in pve,0.75 in pvp.And then affected by tenacity ,deflect resist CC.In mod6 we cannot do 2 successive attacks.GW stun needs to be a daze.
Guys stop falling to the evil CW's trap.Gf got a damage boost on par with paladin.We were asking this for 1 1/2 year.
Don't accept the fact that "we are OP now".Evil Cws will use this as a n excuse for a nerf.Deny this in any situation available.
Our first priority is to adjust the other classes..not our own!!! DON"T BE NAIVE!!!!!
"On the other hand, GFs have been quite strong for long stretches of time. Even in module 5,"
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.....Yes they were very strong that's why they were 2 GFs in first 10 pages.Yes.They were very strong.Actually worst inleadeboard than SWs.Yes.Gfs were very strong.CWs are weak.CWs need buff.....
We cant be blind, we hit hard but all do, CWs, TRS and HRs are still in higher tier of pvp. healer DC have problem now. Everything can change at 70 when maxed ppl start to show up.
Steel and Magic
If i get it right, GFs got a huge buff to damage but i don't get why.
I would buff their survivability for module 6 to make them real tank fighters with some CC and utility, only mediocre damage (the way a GWF right now has quite strong DPS but quite mediocre survivability).
Would be ok to have decent damage but i keep reading they hit harder than GWFs with burst rotations in PvP...while being way more survivable...makes little sense to me why they buffed their damage so much instead of focusing on protection/ defense...
While O.Paladin should be tank/healer (i guess), GFs are supposed to be tank/fighters. Hope cryptic balance stuff to make each tank class stick to its job.
I think the jury is still out? GF seems almost where it should be. Not quite, but you can't get everything you want.
^^^
Traitor!!!!!!
"I thought that when you buff a tank class, you buff its survivability and defensive/ protective tools."
i 'll keep this in mind.Since GWF is considered by DEVs a off tank,i think you got some damage buffs.Well continue and GFs will start singing your song too.
"If i get it right, GFs got a huge buff to damage but i don't get why."
I 'll tell you why.i got in level 62 area i pTR with boosted lv60.COULD NOT KILL A SINGLE THING.
I guess someone of the devs ,probably GMC went in a similar area aswell.He got disgusted and increased the Gf damage.
Seriously now,with the same damage before boost,GF in new content was not viable even for one daily.
Its whole rotation could do 20k damage when any add has 50k hp.
If you think that was ok,fine then.
Paladin was a new class friend.It was tested by devs /players extensivelly.And Gf got damage boost on par with paladin in the same patch.Doesn't that tells you something?
It tells something to me.WITH 20-25k damage rotaion GF/OP were not viable for NW.So they got buffed.
About survivability friend....
Any increase to Gf's survivability was off record since the first thoughts on mod6 by the Devs.
Why that?
1.First they were sure that Gf would be less survivable than OP.Op is a investment.It cannot be a financial failure.
2.As an experienced pvper as your self you know that if Gfs survivability would increase w,this would lead to turtle builds same as faith Dcs in role.Unkillable pittyfull damage node holders.
Not underestimating the danger of revitalizing the degenerate SoS build
And that the devs would not want to see it ever.
Tell me a game where cloth wearing "controller" has only 10% less DR than a "tank".And 10-15% less hp.While he has 4x damage and 5x control.Yes tell me one.
Tell me a game where a hybrid "ranger" has 10% less hp,10% less DR,20% more deflect and has 4x control and 4x damage.
If you want tanks to be tanks,you cannot stick to a holy trinity theme,as concerning his damage ,but then you cry when you cannot kill it.
The shouts and the whining " oh Gfs are very tough!!Gfs perma block" is still heard in my ears.
NW is an action based MMO that's why we all play it.
Action MMO where rank9/10 class is doing 50% of Striker's rank5 damage is a catastrophe.
I don't know about those two, I laughed at first though.
WTB Class Reroll please
As a GF i have to get hit in order to ramp up my 'burst' dmg, while a GWF can just flail away, like a Neanderthal and ramp up damage by just doing that. GWF's also have direct access to critical hit rate, while a GF does not have such option, at all. Play as a destroyer GWF and then claim again, that GF hits harder than GWF. Stop spreading these false rumors in order to get your class buffed.
If the GWF needs a buff, ask for it. Gather all your GWF friends/foes, test things, provide feedback and ask the devs for improvements. The GF community has done the same and since it is a quite small community, compared to the GWF community (many former roar-abusers, are sadly still around.) the resulting GF-improvements are quite good.
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Damage = Threat. More damage = better tankability.
P.S. we also have received defensive buffs of pure dr values.
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The little GF 101 - There are THREE GF specs:
The Conqueror: Slow dps, high burst damage, not so great survivability. (burst spec)
The Protector: The best survivability, least damage potential, not so great CC. (tank spec)
The Tactician: The best CC, best group utility, semi decent damage reduction. (utility spec)
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tl,dr: You are mixing ALL THREE paths into one. Keep it real.
I lol'd at ofnieslaf's avatar and I asked him to give me one too, you can ask him too!
"GFs have the best stun-lock ability in the game"
Best stun lock?You mean better than trappers?Or CWs? GF lucks in comparison of these two.Not to mention Scoundrel,even after the nerfs.
Stun is mitigated by deflect and tanacity ,daze not.Flourish,GW are half effective ,and also mitigated in pvp by default.And are stuns.
Bull Charge?Great encounter.You have it to land it first.And to be a IV to treat rush away and be on the fallen toon.Otherwise it is not optimal for SMs.My opinion.Bull charge against dodging enemy? HR/CW? Animation done hit 0.BNull charge in the edges of it dinstance?Animation done ,damage 0.
You all fear it,but there is a reason why 50% of Gfs do not run it.Roll a GF and try to hit a fast class toon with it.You have a 50% miss chance.It is a very good encounter but not so great as most of the non GFs think.
You see we do not have auto lock as your HR/CWs etc have.We have to aim.
Crescendo?
Try it on a Tr? or HR?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s417x_vAaZU
1.25 and 6.27.Admire the "stunlock" combo of crescendo....of which..eh eh......the enemy toon broke out of it.....
So much of the fearfull crescendo.Watch it again to see a TR breaking it free.
"even greater DR"
Or at 10.00 waht happens if a Gf faces his Cw with his shield dawn.-50% hp in 3 secs.
yet you all complain.Cws got their damge buffed 100% in mod6 ,while Gfs survivability nerfed to the ground.No regen and DR lower than mod5.
And by the way Lunging strike is bugged.It does not give 50% DR for three secs.Except if not shown on character sheet.Nvm...
"Gap closers"
Gap closers?Only IV.Sm has none.And most of the GFs will turn into Sms want it or not.At least the hybrid pve/pvp ones.
IV stand no chance in mod6 pve tanking.Or it will be sub par compared to a SM( Steel Defense /Villain Meanace combo)
"solid burst damage"
Solid Burst damage?Sub par to Trs /Cws /Hrs.With 25% crit you cannot have "burst damage".You see our feats give us a mere 3% crit .That's it.the rest is through gear.
You eant crit?You have to sacrifice arm pen and power.
Not like CWs(EOTS) and TRs(stealth) that get 100% crit for free.
"solid cc"
As said we have only one good but unreliable prone.Boar charge of HR is auto lock and far better.Even CW/DCs have more prones than we do.Lol
And our stuns ,as said earlier,are STUNS.Not dazes.And we have to be in melle range.And aim and hit.No easy mode for us.
"massive HP pool"
damnnn
"nly a troll can say that GFs need anything at this point. They are in a great spot"
Look.I sense that you ae a nice guy ,just misionformed.Do you have a GF?If you do,pm at any given time to meet in preview.I will give you my rank9s ,perfect elven and perfect bronzewood.And i will face you with my 11k gs no weapon enchant ,armour TR.See who wins.I am talking seriously
Gf nees more hp and more DR in mod6.KV is out of the question ofcourse and long time tanking against multiple opponents is rather difficult.Gf can only tank big solo bosses.
Edit:paladin overall damage at lv70 and after some testing will be superior to Gf.mark my words.
i don't need lessons thanks.The point was that it can be missed while boar charge not.But you said nothing about that.Selective responses.
'"And get this once and for all - you cant use broken classes as reason to ask for "balance" changes to your own class. Period. Its the broken classes that must be adjusted to match the rest not vise versa"
I see.So Hr (OP in mod6) ,Tr,Cw,DC must be adjusted.Ok.Gf must remain pityfull for ever.I mean ,we suck from mod2 to now with a brief exception of mod3 release.I will wait another 2-3 mods.That is aproximatelly 1 ,1 1/2 year.
Yes.You told me so.Yes.I must wait the other classes to be adjusted.meanwhile i will die from powries in lv70 Shar.
Thanks,i thought of your suggestion,but I'll think,i LL pass
Since you think that other classes are OP ,thing is i never saw you in forums asking for an adjustment.Which class you play by the way and you want to see Gfs nerfed?
Great.
Eagerly waiting to see your posts when you will face level 70 CWs in pvp and Disintegrate you for 81k non crit and 140k crit encounter every 5 secs.Or when you will fel the 70k Lashing Blades.Then you will realize the 15k Flourish of Gfs is not the problem.
last post for me aswell.
Have a good mod6 GWF.
You guys should think a little more about what you are saying before you say it. It makes it impossible to figure out what your point is. You open with "GFs may need something but more cc is not it". You close with saying "...only a troll would say GF's need anything at this point..." what about those who say they "may" need something, like you? Does that mean they "may" be a troll? A demi-troll?
Best stun lock in the game? That isn't even worth taking seriously but god forbid someone that matters sees that and takes it at face value. GF has adequate CC, not comparable to CW or TR or HR. GF has adequate CC, adequate dps, adequate defense. And finally, finally, all three specs appear to be viable in pvp.
Lets not jump the gun and start with "best this or that or anything" in the game because GF has the best of nothing except perhaps the people who have suffered with this class for so long.
These kinds of posts are precedent for future QQ'ing by people who do not know how to play their CW's or TR's, "QQ...but cryptic the evil simple turtle man put me on my back and made me dead, I'm a wizard qqqq". No, really. That is going to happen. Lets not give it an early start or throw any fuel onto the fire.
And as far as Paladin dps goes.....it's nice to have a friendly little healer side kick that dresses like my GF. It's cute and together we hold nodes forever, so they are good to go as is. Ok, that last bit was :B , but we can't take ourselves TOO seriously here after all, right?
how is cw overperformcing in pvp??? u put it in the same tier as HR and TR u serious??
even with shield, cw in the 2nd class that dies the most after cw
regards