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50%+ of CW's damage is STILL coming from passive skills
katbozejziemi
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Personally I want Icy Terrain to vanish. This skill is so boring while effective, it hurts. I do miss the old style of berserking into a mob group together with my shard of endless damage
Imo storm spell could take a 50% nerf in damage and a buff to encounter at the same time.
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I'm just trying to say that if you play incorrectly your CW by not using the perfect moment to launch your spells, or not using the correct rotation, or even the appropriate spells depending of the situation, then you're not maximizing your dmg anyway, so overall the CW quality remains in the hands of the CW player.
#Devfail
And how much of it is passive dot damage?
Less than it was before...
Its really sad how far things have scaled now. You have to give someone passives or feats that change the class THAT much. I mean if a class needs a 50%+ damage boost from a capstone, maybe something is wrong with the classes foundation.
If it were up to me, id bring each class back down to its roots and start doing things like +2% for every STR point for GWFs, and massively increase at will damage. Then you can drop capstones back down to a normal range of like 25% - which is still ALOT.
40% Storm spell, 14% Assailant, 7% Creeping Frost = 61% of total damage
That's 150% extra damage vs 50% of GWF.
Bring back shard of avalanche, an encounter that actually took skill.
Hell, bring back the punting of mobs. That was more skill than the entire PVE content today.
GWF 25STR 6K Power
CW 26IINT 4,5K Power
Both using Fallen Dragon weapons
Melee vs Ranged
Get. ****ed.
Yeah, no.
then at what power of GWF you want to look when most of them have 2k~ base dmg with 6k power it doesnt matter how many stacks % bonus dmg we get when our base dmg is none the GWF dmg output ill be still the lowest.
Someone here gets it.
To get those buffs a destroyer GWF has to:
- get in range
- take like 30% of their HP in damage
- activate unstoppable
- get 10 stacks of Destroyer's Purpose (get stacks of Destroyer as well)
All that within the tie frame of Unstoppable because otherwise you lose the encounter bonus.
And all that gets you damage which will STILL be less than what CW does.
A CW has to
- press a few keys
- watch as everything explodes into pieces
Tell me about class balance.
And before some idiot says that GWF is more tanky, there is no "OR" between damage and durability for melee classes, because they NEED some way to survive damage in order to stay in range to actually deal damage.
Honestly, I hate procs I would rather have my damage back from the eariler mods. And also ....there is no skill envolved period in pve hell not much really in pvp either lol. Its the same rotation just with a potential for bonus damage if certain conditions are met. That's not passive damage as you are slotting a skill. (oh yea i really went there lol) People should learn the diff. Only real passives in this games come from feats and that's even arguable....With that said...no offense your chart just stats the same as nearly everyone knows already as well as other chats that have been posted prior to yours. What I would like to see is a solution....
However I already know what that is. And basically it would mean unnerfing the cw's real damage. Which probably will not happen for many reasons... nor do i think they would mess with storm spell again given the fact that its just not as simple as it procing for free damage it does have conditions.
personally, i rather wizards have their damage back on encounters rather than on procs. at least we can dodge an encounter. even if shard was sometimes a death sentence when it explodes in your face.
Yes, the numbers would be totally different. There'd be none because we'd be dead.
The problem with 60%+ of the damage coming with procs is that the numbers don't really feel rewarding in relation to what you're actually doing, making the gameplay quite overwhelming. It's like if all our powers dealt 0 damage and we only had to choose those that got the more ticks for the procs.
Procs and features are supposed to be just bonuses, not the source of most of your damage. In the case of CWs, one single feature gives 1/3 of the overall DPS.
No CC break, no CC protection, no stealth, no unstoppable, no astral shield, no block.
Domination?
It's more a sign that their base damage is way too low. It's like if for Storm Spell the CW had to use a rotation of spells that make zero damage but help Storm Spell to proc.
If you can't survive in PvE without shield, you have a terribly built CW.
I don't know why you are bringing pvp in this since this is clearly a PvE log.
You have chosen a really boring playstyle, that, imo, provides really weak party buffs (if even) and low dps as your skills does not cooperate each others.
Independing on what results does your playstyle provides, it is really boring and its only your playstyle, not everybody`s.
A good idea to get some more fun is to use Shard of the Endless Avalanche. Independing on dmg, it provides a nice control, that, chained with other skills, can keep all critters in control.
btw; I would find your playstyle much appreciated combined with my own, but propably a few other players will like your style as this encounter and daily combination provides a weak control and your party will not be able to fully benefit from their skills as you cannot keep all the critters at close enough range.
My suggestion; Change your playstyle. It`s both boring and not party friendly.
Is this supposed to be a joke, correct? I'm not really amused to be honest here. Control Wizards have been receiving quite a lot of Controlling Powers to be nerfed thanks to the lovely "pro" players of PvP, resulting in finding alternative methods to play the game, in which case the pure DPS builds have became an option and utilising those powers up to the most of the time.
What you see here works mostly PvE-wise, but not PvP-wise, and there's a reason why you can't play both PvP and PvE with same build.
Please, refrain yourself from such provocations since those are not amusing nor are constructive.
that just make the other guy even more of a newb.
Just from that dps log, I can tell there's multiple things wrong.
- The player in question is using shield permanently in a PvE run.
- The player is using the corrupted black ice jewelry set.
- The player is using a lightning enchantment, likely a lesser one since the damage from it is so low.
- He's barely using his spells. 47 hits of sudden storm is a very small amount. Whereas he has 235 hits of chilling cloud.
- He's using ray of frost instead of arcane missile as the secondary at-will. Missiles are better dps for single target and have the benefit of increasing the damage of steal time and oppressive force.
All of this unoptimal play leads to having passive damage dealing much more damage than it really should have.
nuff said lmao