P.S. and i like the way you called TR 'lowbie' when you are just like 1,5k gs above him, considering that you are gwf and he is tr
Lol what? I have 4k more GS than him. And don't you start on me that nonsense that a TR naturally has lower GS and blah blah. GWFs extra GS comes from the passive feats that increase power but that increase with my set is 1.2k. So your numbers are awfully wrong. Also, I forgot to include my PvP boons that grant me ~400 more GS. So I'm still 3k above.
But hey, whatever. You're the kind of guy who wouldn't believe even if you saw with your own eyes. But don't worry, I'll make sure to get more pics
I heard some ppl didn't believe a lowbie TR is fully capable of burning a high GS player in seconds. There we go:
My 18.4k GS, 40.4k hp, 44.7% DR sentinel GWF was done in seconds: lashing blade > SoD > gloaming cut. Btw, how in the ****ing world is an at-will critting for 12k!? I want that too!
Devs, please fix TR, kthxbye
The stats are a glass-cannon PvE build. Pathetic HP, all points put into DEX/STR, seemingly, and offensive slot enchants probably all rads. A normal PvP build can't have power that high when the GS is only 14k. Normally TRs start growing over 5k power only when its like 18, 19k GS. He's built for strong damage in the first place.
He'd probably not have survived half your rotations so long as you hunted him down well enough.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
The stats are a glass-cannon PvE build. Pathetic HP, all points put into DEX/STR, seemingly, and offensive slot enchants probably all rads. A normal PvP build can't have power that high when the GS is only 14k. Normally TRs start growing over 5k power only when its like 18, 19k GS. He's built for strong damage in the first place.
He'd probably not have survived half your rotations so long as you hunted him down well enough
Well Kweassa although you been writing some very good stuff and I agree very much on how you look upon the pvp community and to be frank you seem like a pretty swell guy overall in this case with Trs you are more stubborn then the wife when she wants a pair of shoes ******.
I know you admitted that wk sab is to much and i seen some nice post about some other stuff you wrote(even learned some good things in those) but that last sentence here
He'd probably not have survived half your rotations so long as you hunted him down well enough.
when we know you cant hunt dodging faster then lighting vanising pesky Trs is a bit strong toward him.
What you are saying is that if he as higher gs as he is low compared he would kill him while his cat stepedanced on the keyboard.
Sure we dont see the full debuffs and stuff but we see enough through all threads together not to mention our own experiance in pvp, and I said before work hard to get a balance again or you prolly face a nerf bad that stand in the prootions of the qqing like the gwfs did and look where they are now compared to before )..
let's compare it with HR self healing, let me explain how this +25% deflec sev is more cheese
let's say HR take 10k damage with 4k HP with deflec 50% then you will just drop dead without even able to selfheal
let's say TR take 10k damage with 4k HP with deflec 75% then you gonna be still kicking with 1.5k HP there will be a lot of maybe rolling grab some pot, got heal by DC, pickup pot,use pot, regen, use artifact or even counter and kill your opponent
let's say HR got hit 5k damage with 30k HP when deflc wild med will return HP 2.5%*30k = 750 hp in 15s
and only can be stack max 10
let's say TR got hit 5k damage with +25% deflc sev when deflec will reduce 1250 damage instant! with no need to wait 15s no need to make hp to 30k no boundry stack just instant damage reduce and don't forget about 25% control resist that cheesey like hell
this permanent +25% defl sev is OP end of story
hunters can fight from range and dodge-spam on top of it. their self-heals made them solo entire teams prior to this module.
rogues can only melee although whisperknives can currently just use a single ranged at-will to nuke people. if you can't handle sabs/executioners with 25-40% (and 40% is extremely generous since they don't stack deflect at all), then you have no reason to argue. hunters naturally beat us in the deflect chance category anyways.
if you want to nerf a rogues deflect, then every single rogue build will need far more damage as compensation and i doubt you will want that. i can already die to mobs in pve with 75% severity, 50% is impossible to work with.
if you talk about HR can do range damage and dodge.. look whos talking..? TR class LOL
you talk about aoe damage hey split shot is a cast skill and the area is not wide in full power, how many HR you meet in PVP use split shot?
if TR don't stack deflec then you must be don't mind if this +25% deflc being nerf right?
tell me the spesific mob you talk about that make you die in PVE, every class can die in PVE if they mess up what are you asking is immortality but hey every class got immortality because when they die it will just pop on campfire LOL
I'm honestly not trying to offend, but you are utterly clueless about TRs.
Scoundrels don't fight in stealth because it is hugely inefficient to do so. In PvE I am typically in stealth only for the first hit.
Not all TRs can do a full rotation from stealth, because using a damaging encounter instantly breaks stealth unless you are a Sab - in which case you get one 'free' encounter every 15 seconds. As a Scoundrel I get one encounter from stealth and then stealth is gone. I could instead use maybe 3 at-wills. If I have a daily up then I can use that also without breaking stealth.
75% deflect is not 'cheese'. I demonstrated earlier that in an average case it's worth 30% DR and more than half the time it's worth nothing. The class has had this since it's creation, but suddenly it's OP? The control resist side of it doesn't seem to have much effect in PvE and again will not work at all more than half the time.
let's say sab don't have stealth this +25% deflec is more cheesesy than wild med HR read again my upper post and **** TR got stealth and long roll too..? guess what..? OP
control resist in PVE? we talk about PVP brother stop change the topic
I heard some ppl didn't believe a lowbie TR is fully capable of burning a high GS player in seconds. There we go:
My 18.4k GS, 40.4k hp, 44.7% DR sentinel GWF was done in seconds: lashing blade > SoD > gloaming cut. Btw, how in the ****ing world is an at-will critting for 12k!? I want that too!
Devs, please fix TR, kthxbye
i was saying this many time.. 100% crit change is cheesey like hell
IF YOU WANNA CRIT DAMAGE YOU NEED TO STACK CRIT STAT, no more 1 shot or 1 rotate kill
The stats are a glass-cannon PvE build. Pathetic HP, all points put into DEX/STR, seemingly, and offensive slot enchants probably all rads. A normal PvP build can't have power that high when the GS is only 14k. Normally TRs start growing over 5k power only when its like 18, 19k GS. He's built for strong damage in the first place.
He'd probably not have survived half your rotations so long as you hunted him down well enough.
yes thx for admit this build is exists this ignore crit stat and full power+arpen build but get every 1 rotate skill damage to burst crit
hunting it down? TR will just roll and roll then stealth and i think mostly already dead
is this not OP? stop fooling yourself dude
this what i suggest about TR but it's devs decision how to nerf TR
Change 100% crit change with 40% crit sev include eye strom CW
if you wanna crit damage you need to stack crit stat
change +25% defl sev with + 5% def sev each enemy within 15 feet max 25%
Make TR leave footprint while stealth at least when step on node
no more cap node with doing nothing (include HR)
for all TR if you still think that TR is fine shame on you
if you try to defend this case give some solid argument not some nonsense statement, you loosing this you know?
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elewyndylMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The stats are a glass-cannon PvE build. Pathetic HP, all points put into DEX/STR, seemingly, and offensive slot enchants probably all rads. A normal PvP build can't have power that high when the GS is only 14k. Normally TRs start growing over 5k power only when its like 18, 19k GS. He's built for strong damage in the first place.
He'd probably not have survived half your rotations so long as you hunted him down well enough.
Normal TR are not 18-19k those are very high TR!
Ok 14k is not good really... but many TR are 15k-17k so > 14.9k and < 18.0k. My TR is within: 15,0k-17.9k.
Yeah, let's just nerf the TR yet again and put it at the bottom of the pile as it was for almost a year. God forbid they be allowed to present any sort of challenge to anyone in PvP.
Analyze and study a lot - watch PvP vids - analyze tactics on the forums. Then you will learn ways to defeat TRs in PvP.
This whining is getting annoying - so many of these posts active right now . . . I'm seriously going to have to unleash Cid on you guys . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Yeah, let's just nerf the TR yet again and put it at the bottom of the pile as it was for almost a year. God forbid they be allowed to present any sort of challenge to anyone in PvP.
Analyze and study a lot - watch PvP vids - analyze tactics on the forums. Then you will learn ways to defeat TRs in PvP.
This whining is getting annoying - so many of these posts active right now . . . I'm seriously going to have to unleash Cid on you guys . . .
Right... Because of guys like you who say that "TR is fine! L2P!" I want TR nerfed so hard that you'd shut up and leave. Obviously 90/1 K/D ratio is not an indication that the class is beyond broken to you.
Right... Because of guys like you who say that "TR is fine! L2P!" I want TR nerfed so hard that you'd shut up and leave. Obviously 90/1 K/D ratio is not an indication that the class is beyond broken to you.
TR was already nerfed harder than any other class for a year - not going to happen again. Again, learn to play. Man-up. :P
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Right... Because of guys like you who say that "TR is fine! L2P!" I want TR nerfed so hard that you'd shut up and leave. Obviously 90/1 K/D ratio is not an indication that the class is beyond broken to you.
Yeah, nerf whole class because 1-2 TR's got 90 k/d gwf logic. Easy mode is over for them: there is no more takedown/FLS/IBS combo, no more piercing roar mode, you need to learn how to land CAGI and IBS. I know its harder because of CC being shortened by deflect, but that counts on every class, and as a senti gwf you have pretty high deflect too.
Yeah, nerf whole class because 1-2 TR's got 90 k/d gwf logic. Easy mode is over for them: there is no more takedown/FLS/IBS combo, no more piercing roar mode, you need to learn how to land CAGI and IBS. I know its harder because of CC being shortened by deflect, but that counts on every class, and as a senti gwf you have pretty high deflect too.
I played in late beta (I think), mod 1 and mod 4 and on. Don't put me with the same people who played GWF just because it was OP. As for you, I suggest you pick any other class but TR and go pvp for a few matches. Enjoy getting wasted in seconds by TR scrubs.
And hey what if only a few guys manage 90/1? There are a ton with 40/1, 30/1 too. Check any other class on the leaderboard and tell me if anyone is capable of reaching even 10/1 without some sort of abuse.
I played in late beta (I think), mod 1 and mod 4 and on. Don't put me with the same people who played GWF just because it was OP. As for you, I suggest you pick any other class but TR and go pvp for a few matches. Enjoy getting wasted in seconds by TR scrubs.
And hey what if only a few guys manage 90/1? There are a ton with 40/1, 30/1 too. Check any other class on the leaderboard and tell me if anyone is capable of reaching even 10/1 without some sort of abuse.
I didn't jump on any other class in mod 3 and 4 when TR was smashed by any other class and gameplay in pvp was all about stay as long on node as you can, and dont kill anything, why i should change my class now? For now i will defend my class from people who only can post meaningless screens and qq for nerf. When there will be constructive feedback about how to tone down TR without destroying class, then yes, we can talk. Now? ZOMG, TR killed me, and he shouldn't because he was never doing this in 2 previous mods!!! nerf pl0x!!!. No, not even one player who got TR as main will not laugh at you guys and respond in same manner with short: L2P.
P.S. Obsydian i watched this fight, i know Nanners. Why you expect to win against her when she dodged all your attacks with good timing and you tried to face tank her? You can't facetank TR now, that's first lesson you need to learn. And You wasted your daylie SA is much better to prone TR, then go with takedown/FLS and CAGI/IBS. Sabo TR's doesn't have 50% deflect, we got more like 30% at top.
So very much ret4rded. Sorry but that's the truth.
Devs turned PvP into a joke. One guy spamming AoE stuff to "something" invisible, something invisible briefly popping up to hit him and then disappear.
Thanks for the link, will be a good answer to any "TR is balanced" argument.
I didn't jump on any other class in mod 3 and 4 when TR was smashed by any other class and gameplay in pvp was all about stay as long on node as you can, and dont kill anything, why i should change my class now? For now i will defend my class from people who only can post meaningless screens and qq for nerf. When there will be constructive feedback about how to tone down TR without destroying class, then yes, we can talk. Now? ZOMG, TR killed me, and he shouldn't because he was never doing this in 2 previous mods!!! nerf pl0x!!!. No, not even one player who got TR as main will not laugh at you guys and respond in same manner with short: L2P.
Non constructive feedback? Meaningless screens? Excuses, and very poor ones. Now instead of going on another char and collecting constructive feedback you lash out at everyone who disagrees with you and telling them L2P. Very mature of you.
I'll tell you this, you won't fool anybody.
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
So very much ret4rded. Sorry but that's the truth.
Devs turned PvP into a joke. One guy spamming AoE stuff to "something" invisible, something invisible briefly popping up to hit him and then disappear.
Thanks for the link, will be a good answer to any "TR is balanced" argument.
This gwf did not play well..
end of story..
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I hate paying taxes! Why must I pay thousands of dollars in taxes when everything I buy is taxed anyways!
And what would you do if you were that GWF. Tell us.
Do you think that running around and looking for Nanners would make him win?
He could look for him, make him roll then shoot intimidation but still would lose and catching him in between rolls taking latency into account would not be a sure hit. In the end, the TR took more than half of his HPs in a very short time.
Yea and it means that the 21k GS GWF 48k hp with 50% dr and 44% deflection chance must die in 20 seconds. Now tell me what should i do on my CW if i have got 43k hp 20% deflection and 35% dr (this is much as CW), and lets say i haven't got shield on tab ( it basically does not change anything becouse i have no single chance to kill or stand against TR)
I didn't read the posts before,but i just wanna say...ARE YOU KIDDING ME???What the hell u did with these TR's??Perma stealth,crazy dmg,they can 1 shot another player with 7k gs less...it's a joke not a game...what tr's can ask more?Godmode?Apocalypse skill?Come on guys fix this problem now...pvp it's totally impossible and very annoying!
I didn't read the posts before,but i just wanna say...ARE YOU KIDDING ME???What the hell u did with these TR's??Perma stealth,crazy dmg,they can 1 shot another player with 7k gs less...it's a joke not a game...what tr's can ask more?Godmode?Apocalypse skill?Come on guys fix this problem now...pvp it's totally impossible and very annoying!
That's the spirit and constructive feedback: do something, i don't know what, i don't know how, but just do something that i can kill those pesky TR's just like one mod back, those were fun times, when no one took TR's seriously pve and pvp wise. Well, if you gonna check patch notes you can see that devs done something: they fixed Shadow of demise, so exe TR's can deal more damage then one day before Thank you devs for fixing what should be fixed
That's the spirit and constructive feedback: do something, i don't know what, i don't know how, but just do something that i can kill those pesky TR's just like one mod back, those were fun times, when no one took TR's seriously pve and pvp wise. Well, if you gonna check patch notes you can see that devs done something: they fixed Shadow of demise, so exe TR's can deal more damage then one day before Thank you devs for fixing what should be fixed
Woah, you're so full of it. You're talking big about constructive feedback yet bring none yourself and only provoke others. Begone from these forums.
Yeah, no, thank you Sir, and you can do nothing about it, just like you can't do anything about TR's And i dont need to post feedback on my own class. I could but considering that i didnt saw to many GWF asking for roar nerf or to many CW's asking for assailant nerf, then why should i ask for nerf for my class, especially that TR doesnt need fix You just need to L2P, and you will be ok.
TRs are fine in my opinion. They were always intended to be the BEST class at single target DPS. Stealth is and always has been, since the days of pencil and paper D&D in the 1970s, a main part of being a thief/rogue - you can't remove stealth or you may as well remove the TR completely from the game.
I know that there are other classes that can hit 40k+ in one hit, but the TR-haters seem to be pushing only one side of the argument due to the stealth mechanic that is simply part of being a rogue. The most viable "fix" would be to allow stealthed TRs to be seen as a shadowy figure in PvP only once they get within a certain distance. Sure the TR can still use ranged attacks, but you would know where the ranged attacks are originating.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
It's fact that the TR class from mod 5 is to op for pvp, combine stealth, 1 to 2 hit kill applied to any class even GF, the stuns are spamable all this with immunity from dmg for a long period and you can see why people complain. TR is not the only class that has become op for pvp now Cleric's heals are way to powerful in pvp. Not just downing TRs, Combat HR's are also op in pvp they have way to much damage resistance and can deal way to much dmg range HRs are weak in pvp almost useless.
Its a shame people can't be less selfish, more truthful and only apply constructive criticism saying things like "learn to play" is not constructive, it's just a taunt sort of thing my kids would do to try and wind each other up, sad really.
I do find it odd why people can't be honest about there class being op. Yes I do play some of the classes I have mentioned that are op and can't wait for some one at cryptic to think about balancing pvp and the classes so pvp will become fun and not as it is at the moment a joke. The picture of the pvp leader board posted in a post a few pages back says it all.
TRs are fine in my opinion. They were always intended to be the BEST class at single target DPS. Stealth is and always has been, since the days of pencil and paper D&D in the 1970s, a main part of being a thief/rogue - you can't remove stealth or you may as well remove the TR completely from the game.
I know that there are other classes that can hit 40k+ in one hit, but the TR-haters seem to be pushing only one side of the argument due to the stealth mechanic that is simply part of being a rogue. The most viable "fix" would be to allow stealthed TRs to be seen as a shadowy figure in PvP only once they get within a certain distance. Sure the TR can still use ranged attacks, but you would know where the ranged attacks are originating.
I don't know any other class that can hit at wills for 12k and encounters for over 40k at 14k gs. Even the mod 4 intinidation GWF needed 12k power to do something like that but hey, without a 100% crit! TR is the least fine class. It's ridiculous how you keep defending this godmode class.
I've got guildies who refuse to play TRs and DCs since the update. Because hey, they've got pride and honor.
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
edited December 2014
The gwf in that video.. stood still swinging at nothing..
That is not how you kill an invisible TR
The GWF should have sprinted away and waited for the TR's stealth to deplete, then rush in and kill the tr with one intimidation.
The encounters and stuff need to be used better by the GWF.
End of story...
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I hate paying taxes! Why must I pay thousands of dollars in taxes when everything I buy is taxed anyways!
I don't know any other class that can hit at wills for 12k and encounters for over 40k at 14k gs. Even the mod 4 intinidation GWF needed 12k power to do something like that but hey, without a 100% crit! TR is the least fine class. It's ridiculous how you keep defending this godmode class.
I've got guildies who refuse to play TRs and DCs since the update. Because hey, they've got pride and honor.
My TR does not hit 12k at-wills - I think you are talking maxed TR here, which is not the majority. I usually hit about 6-7k when I crit. Of course, I don't own anything greater than an R7 enchant.
And, that "honor" thing is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. I have played my TR as my main even during the one-year period when the gaming community considered us garbage in dungeons. So, I am supposed to stop playing my main character because it finally kicks butt after a year of playing lap dog? I don't think so . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
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starheretic70Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 52Arc User
edited December 2014
first of all ... I got a 16k DC and a 18k HR... and assuming I can build a nice pvp.build and know how to pvp ...
I dont mind death in pvp... in overall it's about 50-50 on my DC and a bit more win with my HR (but still getting kill by CW and GWF).
at IWD, with my HR, I join a GWF against 2 TR , a real good fight (3-4min+/-) , without any over the other 2.... then ... they stealth ... the fight ended in 2-3 seconds.
I don't mind death in pvp ... I do mind getting crush like a bug in 2seconds...
Remove stealth completely .... replacing it by an "impossible to catch" defensive dodging ability. Anyway Garakas at Tuern can see you and hit you while stealth. It's a "Trickster" Rogue, so apply tricksters abilities. Like invert mouse of other players for a small amount of time. Making a bunch of clone of itself. Playing with posion, slow, paralyse. Unequip random gear, etc... they can do real cool stuff with it
I must add that... I will not invest anymore money in this broken game that I love ( you can check my zen purchase history )
(still mad at DEVs for doing a crappy stupid jobs with the TR)
Remove stealth completely .... replacing it by an "impossible to catch" defensive dodging ability. Anyway Garakas at Tuern can see you and hit you while stealth. It's a "Trickster" Rogue, so apply tricksters abilities. Like invert mouse of other players for a small amount. Making a bunch of clone of itself. Playing with posion, slow, paralyse, etc... they can do real cool stuff with it
This will never happen. This game is still under license from WotC and must adhere to D&D standards. Stealth is a core feature of thieves/rogues since the 1970s. It won't go away - not allowed to be nerfed due to D&D standards.
As I suggested elsewhere, the better solution is to allow stealth to only work fully at long distances (just outside the TR ranged attack) and then allow a shadowy shape to be seen when they get closer. That change will clear up this mess everyone is complaining about. This change should happen ONLY in PvP.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
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Lol what? I have 4k more GS than him. And don't you start on me that nonsense that a TR naturally has lower GS and blah blah. GWFs extra GS comes from the passive feats that increase power but that increase with my set is 1.2k. So your numbers are awfully wrong. Also, I forgot to include my PvP boons that grant me ~400 more GS. So I'm still 3k above.
But hey, whatever. You're the kind of guy who wouldn't believe even if you saw with your own eyes. But don't worry, I'll make sure to get more pics
The stats are a glass-cannon PvE build. Pathetic HP, all points put into DEX/STR, seemingly, and offensive slot enchants probably all rads. A normal PvP build can't have power that high when the GS is only 14k. Normally TRs start growing over 5k power only when its like 18, 19k GS. He's built for strong damage in the first place.
He'd probably not have survived half your rotations so long as you hunted him down well enough.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Well Kweassa although you been writing some very good stuff and I agree very much on how you look upon the pvp community and to be frank you seem like a pretty swell guy overall in this case with Trs you are more stubborn then the wife when she wants a pair of shoes ******.
I know you admitted that wk sab is to much and i seen some nice post about some other stuff you wrote(even learned some good things in those) but that last sentence here when we know you cant hunt dodging faster then lighting vanising pesky Trs is a bit strong toward him.
What you are saying is that if he as higher gs as he is low compared he would kill him while his cat stepedanced on the keyboard.
Sure we dont see the full debuffs and stuff but we see enough through all threads together not to mention our own experiance in pvp, and I said before work hard to get a balance again or you prolly face a nerf bad that stand in the prootions of the qqing like the gwfs did and look where they are now compared to before )..
if you talk about HR can do range damage and dodge.. look whos talking..? TR class LOL
you talk about aoe damage hey split shot is a cast skill and the area is not wide in full power, how many HR you meet in PVP use split shot?
if TR don't stack deflec then you must be don't mind if this +25% deflc being nerf right?
tell me the spesific mob you talk about that make you die in PVE, every class can die in PVE if they mess up what are you asking is immortality but hey every class got immortality because when they die it will just pop on campfire LOL
let's say sab don't have stealth this +25% deflec is more cheesesy than wild med HR read again my upper post and **** TR got stealth and long roll too..? guess what..? OP
control resist in PVE? we talk about PVP brother stop change the topic
i was saying this many time.. 100% crit change is cheesey like hell
IF YOU WANNA CRIT DAMAGE YOU NEED TO STACK CRIT STAT, no more 1 shot or 1 rotate kill
yes thx for admit this build is exists this ignore crit stat and full power+arpen build but get every 1 rotate skill damage to burst crit
hunting it down? TR will just roll and roll then stealth and i think mostly already dead
is this not OP? stop fooling yourself dude
this what i suggest about TR but it's devs decision how to nerf TR
for all TR if you still think that TR is fine shame on you
if you try to defend this case give some solid argument not some nonsense statement, you loosing this you know?
Ok 14k is not good really... but many TR are 15k-17k so > 14.9k and < 18.0k. My TR is within: 15,0k-17.9k.
Analyze and study a lot - watch PvP vids - analyze tactics on the forums. Then you will learn ways to defeat TRs in PvP.
This whining is getting annoying - so many of these posts active right now . . . I'm seriously going to have to unleash Cid on you guys . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Right... Because of guys like you who say that "TR is fine! L2P!" I want TR nerfed so hard that you'd shut up and leave. Obviously 90/1 K/D ratio is not an indication that the class is beyond broken to you.
TR was already nerfed harder than any other class for a year - not going to happen again. Again, learn to play. Man-up. :P
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
uhuh. Page after page of well constructed argument and this is what you have to say. Trying hard to not feed the troll.
Yeah, nerf whole class because 1-2 TR's got 90 k/d
I played in late beta (I think), mod 1 and mod 4 and on. Don't put me with the same people who played GWF just because it was OP. As for you, I suggest you pick any other class but TR and go pvp for a few matches. Enjoy getting wasted in seconds by TR scrubs.
And hey what if only a few guys manage 90/1? There are a ton with 40/1, 30/1 too. Check any other class on the leaderboard and tell me if anyone is capable of reaching even 10/1 without some sort of abuse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrmke1LDTGE&feature=youtu.be
Do not pay attention to the voices, it was done on a fast :P enjoy mute sound d(^.^)b
I didn't jump on any other class in mod 3 and 4 when TR was smashed by any other class and gameplay in pvp was all about stay as long on node as you can, and dont kill anything, why i should change my class now?
P.S. Obsydian i watched this fight, i know Nanners. Why you expect to win against her when she dodged all your attacks with good timing and you tried to face tank her? You can't facetank TR now, that's first lesson you need to learn. And You wasted your daylie
So very much ret4rded. Sorry but that's the truth.
Devs turned PvP into a joke. One guy spamming AoE stuff to "something" invisible, something invisible briefly popping up to hit him and then disappear.
Thanks for the link, will be a good answer to any "TR is balanced" argument.
Non constructive feedback? Meaningless screens? Excuses, and very poor ones. Now instead of going on another char and collecting constructive feedback you lash out at everyone who disagrees with you and telling them L2P. Very mature of you.
I'll tell you this, you won't fool anybody.
This gwf did not play well..
end of story..
And what would you do if you were that GWF. Tell us.
Do you think that running around and looking for Nanners would make him win?
He could look for him, make him roll then shoot intimidation but still would lose and catching him in between rolls taking latency into account would not be a sure hit. In the end, the TR took more than half of his HPs in a very short time.
Yea and it means that the 21k GS GWF 48k hp with 50% dr and 44% deflection chance must die in 20 seconds. Now tell me what should i do on my CW if i have got 43k hp 20% deflection and 35% dr (this is much as CW), and lets say i haven't got shield on tab ( it basically does not change anything becouse i have no single chance to kill or stand against TR)
PS. You must be TR
That's the spirit and constructive feedback: do something, i don't know what, i don't know how, but just do something that i can kill those pesky TR's just like one mod back, those were fun times, when no one took TR's seriously pve and pvp wise. Well, if you gonna check patch notes you can see that devs done something: they fixed Shadow of demise, so exe TR's can deal more damage then one day before
Woah, you're so full of it. You're talking big about constructive feedback yet bring none yourself and only provoke others. Begone from these forums.
I know that there are other classes that can hit 40k+ in one hit, but the TR-haters seem to be pushing only one side of the argument due to the stealth mechanic that is simply part of being a rogue. The most viable "fix" would be to allow stealthed TRs to be seen as a shadowy figure in PvP only once they get within a certain distance. Sure the TR can still use ranged attacks, but you would know where the ranged attacks are originating.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Its a shame people can't be less selfish, more truthful and only apply constructive criticism saying things like "learn to play" is not constructive, it's just a taunt sort of thing my kids would do to try and wind each other up, sad really.
I do find it odd why people can't be honest about there class being op. Yes I do play some of the classes I have mentioned that are op and can't wait for some one at cryptic to think about balancing pvp and the classes so pvp will become fun and not as it is at the moment a joke. The picture of the pvp leader board posted in a post a few pages back says it all.
I don't know any other class that can hit at wills for 12k and encounters for over 40k at 14k gs. Even the mod 4 intinidation GWF needed 12k power to do something like that but hey, without a 100% crit! TR is the least fine class. It's ridiculous how you keep defending this godmode class.
I've got guildies who refuse to play TRs and DCs since the update. Because hey, they've got pride and honor.
That is not how you kill an invisible TR
The GWF should have sprinted away and waited for the TR's stealth to deplete, then rush in and kill the tr with one intimidation.
The encounters and stuff need to be used better by the GWF.
End of story...
My TR does not hit 12k at-wills - I think you are talking maxed TR here, which is not the majority. I usually hit about 6-7k when I crit. Of course, I don't own anything greater than an R7 enchant.
And, that "honor" thing is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. I have played my TR as my main even during the one-year period when the gaming community considered us garbage in dungeons. So, I am supposed to stop playing my main character because it finally kicks butt after a year of playing lap dog? I don't think so . . .
I'm putting Cid on you!
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
I dont mind death in pvp... in overall it's about 50-50 on my DC and a bit more win with my HR (but still getting kill by CW and GWF).
at IWD, with my HR, I join a GWF against 2 TR , a real good fight (3-4min+/-) , without any over the other 2.... then ... they stealth ... the fight ended in 2-3 seconds.
I don't mind death in pvp ... I do mind getting crush like a bug in 2seconds...
Remove stealth completely .... replacing it by an "impossible to catch" defensive dodging ability. Anyway Garakas at Tuern can see you and hit you while stealth. It's a "Trickster" Rogue, so apply tricksters abilities. Like invert mouse of other players for a small amount of time. Making a bunch of clone of itself. Playing with posion, slow, paralyse. Unequip random gear, etc... they can do real cool stuff with it
I must add that... I will not invest anymore money in this broken game that I love ( you can check my zen purchase history )
(still mad at DEVs for doing a crappy stupid jobs with the TR)
*H
This will never happen. This game is still under license from WotC and must adhere to D&D standards. Stealth is a core feature of thieves/rogues since the 1970s. It won't go away - not allowed to be nerfed due to D&D standards.
As I suggested elsewhere, the better solution is to allow stealth to only work fully at long distances (just outside the TR ranged attack) and then allow a shadowy shape to be seen when they get closer. That change will clear up this mess everyone is complaining about. This change should happen ONLY in PvP.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."