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I am saying this because we are going to have 2 aparatus or mechanical mounts or companion
are they preparing us for this,because somebody is making those things and that somebody can for sure make guns
for me it would be awesome,gun wielding class
edit:when I say gun ,its not that type of modern guns its more like a old fashion blunderbuss
that most dwarven race use
something that shoot projectile,from stone to magical orbs that explode on contact
Maybe it will never see the sunlight
are they preparing us for this,because somebody is making those things and that somebody can for sure make guns
for me it would be awesome,gun wielding class
edit:when I say gun ,its not that type of modern guns its more like a old fashion blunderbuss
that most dwarven race use
something that shoot projectile,from stone to magical orbs that explode on contact
Maybe it will never see the sunlight
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I doubt wotc would give them permission to bring guns into the world of Faerun.
No. They are not "mechanical" they are magical "constructs" similar to a golem.
There are no "guns" in DnD -- if you want guns, play a first person shooter like Call of Duty.
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Edit: and on the same note, im one of the people who enjoy mechanical and/or magical construct races, ever since i watched the movie "The Bicentennial Man" and wanted to play a game and be a "robot"
closest thing to a gun would be a crossbow, which dont really see a point, as they fundamentally work the same as a regular bow, just slower loading.
Wow. I am not sure what to do with this one...
Technically you are free to your opinion and request but...*looks at D&D rule books*...
Okay, first of all Warforged are magical constructs which are a race. They are sentient. However those are specific to D&D and do not fire guns.
Guns/Gunpowder have existed in Faerun but they are rare and are really not ever used. In fact they are basically shunned by those who heard about it. Zeb is the person to seek out here as I just have bits and pieces but in short the technology has existed...
But despite there being a history of it...
Guns are RARE in FR. And really asking for guns in a FR campaign setting is like asking for magic missile to be added to grand Theft Auto. It's one thing for home brewed rules to modify the lore like that but far too much to ask for a major MMO to. I can say with complete honesty adding guns to be added to the game I would lose interest immediately.
I don't play D&D to deal with guns. I play D&D because I prefer the majesty of sword fighting.
Honestly, I'll leave this open as long as we can remain respectful but such topics as this have become hostile in the past...
I don't think it was in Faerun however.
Edit: Definitely not Fearun ... 't was World of Greyhawk.
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And while they're at it, lets add some office job professions, starting at level 1 with doing coffee runs and ending at level 20 as "head of a big corporation", and add some Ferrari mounts!
Not to mention it would be hell of a fun to play. Nothing revolutionary,just another agile ranged class *looks at HR* - just more flashy and cool (imo). I bet many would like it, me first (especially if it would be agile and look as cool as Gunner from Aion)
If I recall correctly, there was an island of Gond worshipers called Lantan that had all sorts of crazy technology, including smoke powder, back in 2nd edition. It was from there you had the arquebus and wheel-lock pistols that showed up in 2nd edition. The Shou also had developed smoke powder for rockets/fireworks, but no guns.
This was also in the era where we were all a little bit closer, since the blasters of Oerth were just a few crystal spheres away.
Wasn't Lantan hit pretty hard in the Spellplague with the transition to 4th. Maybe it was a retcon? I didn't keep up with the developments of Faerun lore post 4th edition.
...and that would be bad how, precisely?
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It sounds like an improvement, actually
/shrug
Why not have a caster class who uses guns as their focus? Would someone rifling off shots from dual pistols really "look" any different from a wizard chucking magic missiles or a ranger firing off dozen of arrows a second?
So I was happy that there were no guns in this game.
I cant really imagine guns in this games setting.
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There was a series of books by Joel Rosenberg, whose titles escape me at the moment, that centered around a group of college grads who found themselves transported to a fantasy world. One of them was a civil engineer who managed to introduce black powder and some 19th-century inventions such as rifles and revolvers (one quote I remember is, "I'm a civil engineer, which means if I need dynamite, I look it up in a catalog and write a check.")
As a quick aside, there is a *vast* difference between black powder (classified as a "low explosive") and modern smokeless gunpowder (classified as a "high explosive"). Smokeless gunpowder is based on nitroglycerine and represents several technological steps forward (in another life I worked at DuPont, they like to share these stories there...)
When faced with rifles, the mages and sages of the realm were unable to reproduce the gunpowder, but they came up with a workaround. They sealed superheated steam in a small glass sphere that was made nearly invulnerable by a special spell. The sphere was "nearly" invulnerable such that, when touched with flame (as from a match), the sphere would vanish and the superheated steam could be used to propel a projectile. In this manner they could nearly reproduce the effect of an arquebus for use by infantry.
There were other innovations but I can't remember them at the moment; I read those books a *very* long time ago. They're buried in my closet somewhere...
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Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (S3) was their attempt to lure people into their other game, Metamorphosis Alpha.
Most GMs I knew added a house rule to that module that the tech stuff just stopped working once it got a certain distance from the ship. Basically, the ship was from a realm with conflicting laws of physics, and because of its mass had an "aura" around it of that other realm's reality. Otherwise, the whole tech thing was genre-breaking, and if you had enough power cells, potentially game-breaking.
Not "unrealistic", but "inappropriate".
This is a D&D game. D&D is all about high fantasy. It's all about swords and sorcery, monsters and magic, dungeons and dragons. It is NOT about gunfighters. If you want that, go find a Boot Hill game.
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. . . True gunpowder doesn't work in the Realms due to the nature of Realmspace and the Weave. If brought into the Realms, it's user finds it do nothing more than sand would. There is a magical powder that takes its place however, "Smoke Powder" - but it is a magically made substance and its uses are far too unstable to be used in an arquebus by the majority of the Realms' population. As such a volatile substance, it was subsequently outlawed by almost the entire continent, including Al-Quadim, Chult, and Kara-Tur.
. . . The Gond Priesthood are the ones who hold the secrets to making Smoke Powder and they do create weapons that use it, some even resemble simple muskets. Keeping in mind, if seen in public, these weapons would draw massive attention and bring down the law of the lands upon whomever held such a weapon.
. . . So.. with all that in mind and as a resident (DM) of the Realms for several millennium (decades), yes -- "Guns" are possible but are akin to some of the the worst illegal weaponry on your Earth. (The only ones that would use it would be those who have a death wish or a DM's random encounter with a Gond Fanatic (for example), as even some of the worst criminal organizations and super powers in the Realms find it, "too much.")
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Nothing to do with realism, everything to do with balance and theme. Theme others have covered so I won't go into it. However the other big problem is balance. DnD essentially came out of Chainmail which came out of wargames and as such the damage from the weapons tried to show some accuracy vs the armor and if you killed the enemy. However now toss a gun into the mix. The gun will shred thru plate armor and kill the person wearing it. This is why in our own history we went from armored knights to armies that looked like this.
The reason for it was that the armor provided no more benefit than the wool. In D&D terms a gun would give a commoner a single target instant death spell with a ranged touch component and a fortitude save where if you save you take massive damage and are stunned. You see the problem right? All classes are now worthless vs the gun, because with little training you can now have all the commoners able to fight as well as most classes in 99% of situations. The discovery of gunpowder and the gun could be interesting as a concept in a fantasy novel, as it would disrupt government and the social order as wizards could be countered from range and their damage could equaled by cannons, but it would make for bad gameplay unless them reduced the guns effect in which case it's not a gun but a reskinned bolt.
An adventurer flinging fireballs, "A-OK", put a musket in their hands.. "You're under arrest!" Rationalizations for the lack of technology in fantasy worlds leads to more weird contradictions than not. Thanks for the lore lesson though.
(Neverwinter the game may make magic use in the streets look normal, but in PnP... that is far from accurate.)
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Yeah, but are they going to be arrested for just having a "wand of fireballs"? Or scrolls, etc? Magic is ridiculously more dangerous than basic gunpowder, but seems relatively unregulated.