BAsically everyone agrees. Look, I did this once on my GWF as well, I have the gear already and everything on him. It seems to me now people fall into two camps. Those that got the BI gear within the first week or so (when I did) and everyone else, its a pretty small population that have received their items after the fact, which is why there havnt been as many complaints probably. I have seen this complaint a few times and almsot posted it in the BUG report because I dont believe its WAI...
There are a lot of complaint and the complaints have never stopped, I guess it dwindled lately because people are losing hope in trying and perhaps just say **** it and go play other content. Running epic dungeons in all blues when I first hit 60 to get my t2s and grinding through all the dailies are not nearly as frustrating as what is happening with the drop rate in IWD. I welcomed these other grinding since there is a clear end to it, you play for a set amount of time, you will definitely get what you want. For t2 sets, I can do dailies and save up AD to buy it off AH. But the BI gear is just impossible... I will keep grinding and in the mean time, lets keep this thread going so that maybe one day... some day... either changes will come, or we will get our gear... perhaps in a year or so.
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gabrieldourdenMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,212Arc User
edited July 2014
I agree with the OP. I play an HR and was able to get both Bracers and Bow in the first 10 days.
After the patch I started to grind for them again to complete both sets (purified and corrupted) but without luck so far. Epic HE are so rare that when they come up the whole population of the map runs to the place and obliterates all monsters too fast to get purple stuff (I did get a couple of Hammerstone weapons for other clasess actually but that's even worse... at least drop Hammerstone weapons for my class so that I can complete the sets).
Le-Shan: HR level 80 (main)
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they need to implement the token reward system or just have it be for daily currency like x amount of tears [
+ x amount of dwarf gold + black ice =your glove or mainhand at least this way we are guarenteed to get it.
i could spend month grinding with no hope of ever reaching my goal.
anyone that has gotten any of these items got them before the patch, and if you got it after you got extremely lucky and congrats
after 100+ HE i have given up there is just no hope and if i got these items tomorrow sure i would be happy but i could never see myself ever wanting to gear out a second character in BI equipment because of this reason.
Epic HE are so rare that when they come up the whole population of the map runs to the place and obliterates all monsters too fast to get purple stuff
THis is what I have been having issues with as well... Alot of people from guilds will post in their guild chat "Beholder on me" and they invite 10+ people to the zone COMBINED with the players that are already in the zone easily creates 20+ person groups on 1 BEHO HE....
I dont know how all the contribution is calculated, but it just seems a tad ridiculous IF the HE encounter rate and drop rate stays the same...
If they buff all the HE rates and drop rates that COULD work, but IMO I like the "farming system" with currency ALOT better...
There have been several good ideas in this thread. All I think we can do, is keep bumping this with feedback and hopefully it gets looked at...........
THis is what I have been having issues with as well... Alot of people from guilds will post in their guild chat "Beholder on me" and they invite 10+ people to the zone COMBINED with the players that are already in the zone easily creates 20+ person groups on 1 BEHO HE....
I dont know how all the contribution is calculated, but it just seems a tad ridiculous IF the HE encounter rate and drop rate stays the same...
If they buff all the HE rates and drop rates that COULD work, but IMO I like the "farming system" with currency ALOT better...
There have been several good ideas in this thread. All I think we can do, is keep bumping this with feedback and hopefully it gets looked at...........
Making the drop items bind on equip would alleviate most of the problem. People probably don't even want to know how many main hand weapons and bracers I've trashed for a few hundred measly black ice. I would have much rather sold them on the AH to someone who had grown frustrated with the whole process. That would also give me a reason to go back and try to get more.
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited July 2014
Resolving the issue(s) with the HEs is a multi-step process, IMO:
1. Show the scores for the HE you are nearest to, and have said scores persist for a decent period of time.
2. Get rid of "trash" rewards for the higher reward tiers. If you score in the blue or purple tiers, you should always get something good - not just a chunk of RBI & a blue mat.
2a. Check and recheck the scoring algorithm so as to give proper credit for dealing damage, taking damage, healing, buffing, debuffing, and time involved in said HE - someone who has been contributing from the start, even if they didn't deal as much damage as a latecomer, should have their contribution given a bit more wait, (obviously you'd also need to check for AFKers, so maybe just use the time involved as a multiplier to their other contributions).
3. Since the game is already tracking how many HEs you participate in, have the different items that can be dropped from the HEs unlock at their relevant vendors in Kaer-Konig based upon how many HEs you have participated in, (for black ice, ADs, gold, the various other campaign currencies, or some combination). Make these items BoP or BtA.
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I think its totally obvious that HEs drops and appearence rates have to be fixed...
Been spending like a week now SPAMMING HEs and barely even getting purples.. have tried soloing or 2-manning some Ancestral Ceremony's as well... it seems the drop chance is really realyl low and very random...a friend of mine got mainhand from beholder just from being there like 30 seconds when boss was 30-40% hp.
I ve been searching for arms and mainhand for like a week on my CW .. im still in a mood that i believe i will get them soon. but its stats getting more and more annoying...
to be also fair. black ice gear is not that great for most classes.. people are gonna abandon doing any HEs when mod 4 comes if they just feel its a waste of time... changes are needed in order for players to feel that searching HEs is not a total waste of their time...
I think its totally obvious that HEs drops and appearence rates have to be fixed...
Been spending like a week now SPAMMING HEs and barely even getting purples.. have tried soloing or 2-manning some Ancestral Ceremony's as well... it seems the drop chance is really realyl low and very random...a friend of mine got mainhand from beholder just from being there like 30 seconds when boss was 30-40% hp.
I ve been searching for arms and mainhand for like a week on my CW .. im still in a mood that i believe i will get them soon. but its stats getting more and more annoying...
to be also fair. black ice gear is not that great for most classes.. people are gonna abandon doing any HEs when mod 4 comes if they just feel its a waste of time... changes are needed in order for players to feel that searching HEs is not a total waste of their time...
true it may not be be the best for some classes but it is a stepping stone in the right direction to achieveing that however the random gate on even completeing the full set is ridiculous all the items should be in the vendor store for IWD currency + AD if it comes to that not this constant run in circles farming every 90 or so minutes in hopes oyu get a drop if you are there from the start and there are 20+ people your gonna walk away with a rank 5 enchantment woopdie doo
You know... I could see if there was no 4 pc set bonus and they were just really good single items it working in a similar manor, but when the weapon amd the bracers that have the overload slot are the two that drop... Its really annoying.
If only there was an additional way to gain the item as well. I feel like thats part of the issue on why these things always fail. When mod 1 came out i farmed my formorian OH on my GF with ease, then it took me literally 38 runs for my gwf... I was beyond fed up with it. They should have had ANY of that gear set purchasable via the vendor (how you get the armor) but also give ALL of the gear a chance to drop off the boss. Two methods of gaining the items. One is the slow farm via currency, the other is the RNG.
They honestly should go back to previous mods (including mod 3) once mod 4 comes out and make this change.
Sharandar - the epic gear from MC should not only DROP from the last boss (giving a reason to do it) but also all pieces (including the OH - minus the MH that you get from weaponsmith) should be available for purchase via the vendor.
DreadRing - same idea. All the gear is available through the vendor. it also ALL can drop off valindra.
IceWind - Again, make it so all the gear can be purchased via HE farming, Id also like to see all the gear available to drop OFF of Kessils - to give a purpose in running that.
I dont think its an issue of content, I just think they are not assigning the gear to the proper content and avenue of getting... if that make sense.
Think about IWD, they gave us heroic encounters and KEssils and this drawn out "rep" system, yet they make a majority of the gear purchased via black ice?!
It just seems rather simple to me, and then with that blackice gear, you craft it via some mats for the better versions. They should have made the BASIC blackice gear have a set bonus, but farmable via Kessil's, HEs, and the rep system. Or heck, even via the coins and tears like the campaign...
People farm things for gear, so far I have yet to even run K.R. because there is no point....
I hope they learn this for mod 4, make the gear what you get from the new dungeon and skirmish. ALSO give TWO paths to obtaining he gear. 1) RNG 2) Grind it out with a slow systematic way. Maybe they overlap, maybe they dont. But TWO methods of getting the gear.
or atleast a reliable way of obtaining them not this HE farming method
Lol Yup!
Seeing as how the new gear has no tenacity, seems like its purely a PVE setup. There is a CHANCE I could see 2pc 2pc working for some classes, but either way, we really need to be able to get the blackice gear without this random farming.
The thing that really scares me too, is if people are off trying to do mod4 stuff, less people will be running around to do minor HEs making it harder to farm them without a group.
Majors will still almost always have 20+ people because people always invite their buddies to do it with them.
At least, perhaps adding the mainhand and bracer to the drop list on Kessel's Retreat could be a possible solution, and still be in line with black ice stuff.
Given the lack of PW response on this thread, and the information so far on the Mod4 armor & overload, I think they're just going to forget Mod3 gear ever happened.
Given the lack of PW response on this thread, and the information so far on the Mod4 armor & overload, I think they're just going to forget Mod3 gear ever happened.
I really hope not! Some of the new gear isnt even as good as BI gear...
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telnightsMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 11Arc User
edited July 2014
I would really just like to know what the encounter drop system is based on. I think at this point its clear its not based on damage, healing, or when you started the encounter. I know this because a lot of people and me included got some of our weapons and gloves dropped from showing up when encounter was close to over. This was even after the patch where drop rate was lowered and system used was changed.
One of my guild mates and me were on our CWs which my does lot more damage than his and has better gear. He was in DV while I was in IWP. Prospector Attack spawn so I went to the encounter and started he asked for invite so invited him over. It wasn't till boss spawn that he was able to make it. But guess who got their gloves from the encounter? If you guessed my guild mate you would be right. This wasn't a the only time my guild has seen this happen either. If I had to guess it seams the drop system is based on nothing more than pure luck. :mad:
You know... I could see if there was no 4 pc set bonus and they were just really good single items it working in a similar manor, but when the weapon amd the bracers that have the overload slot are the two that drop... Its really annoying.
If only there was an additional way to gain the item as well. I feel like thats part of the issue on why these things always fail. When mod 1 came out i farmed my formorian OH on my GF with ease, then it took me literally 38 runs for my gwf... I was beyond fed up with it. They should have had ANY of that gear set purchasable via the vendor (how you get the armor) but also give ALL of the gear a chance to drop off the boss. Two methods of gaining the items. One is the slow farm via currency, the other is the RNG.
Yep, no luck on my GF either. The way I understand it a GF needs to take a lot of damage to earn a drop. DC has to run a heal heavy loadout and DPSers have to DPS. Fair enough. One problem, have you ever tried to hold aggro on something when you are surrounded by upwards of 10 DPSers, some of them insanely geared? My GF, who isn't a slouch, can get through an Epic HE taking very little damage because he cannot pull aggro in the face of GWFs/TRs/CWs/HRs. I race everyone to what needs to be killed, mark it, TRush it, shield stab it, everything, but it will ignore me eventually. At the same time I do diddly squat in the DPS department when compared to the aforementioned DPSers. At least the DC, which will be a minority, can stand there and spam heals with little competition.
What they need to do is add seal drops to the Epic HEs. Collect 'X' amount of seals and you can purchase the weapon and arms. Still leave it that the items can still drop, but at least make doing 30/40+ HEs worthwhile in the end. Hell, add it to the Black Ice profession. Collect Ice Shards from doing epic HEs and then couple them with other Black Ice assets/resources and you can forge the basic Black Ice main-hand and arms.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
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klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
edited July 2014
It's not just that. As a GF there have been major encounters (for example corrupted bears) where I showed up first and tanked everything including boss and adds and I still did not manage to get "Great Success".
I say major because only with major encounters you need Great Success to get Black Ice gear, with Epic encounters I've obtained the Black Ice Longsword by just showing up for Beholder,so those are not really a problem.
The scoring system is just completely skewed in favour of dps over healing and tanking, there's no other explanation.
However, it's not something over which I'd lose sleep. Black Ice Sets only seem viable for a while (it's not even THAT much better than the rest of the sets), but then you realize that you have to farm the Black Ice to bring em back to tier 3 once you've depleted the items. (from tier 0 that's 4500 a piece. A whopping 27000 in total) After that you just say "screw it" and go back to a set that doesn't force you to grind to make it best.
It's not just that. As a GF there have been major encounters (for example corrupted bears) where I showed up first and tanked everything including boss and adds and I still did not manage to get "Great Success".
I say major because only with major encounters you need Great Success to get Black Ice gear, with Epic encounters I've obtained the Black Ice Longsword by just showing up for Beholder,so those are not really a problem.
The scoring system is just completely skewed in favour of dps over healing and tanking, there's no other explanation.
I have no idea how great success is achieved as well. The most baffling is that when I go to minor HEs and kill everything alone, sometimes I get the great success and sometimes I don't. Sometimes I ride pass a HE and received enchantment rewards for doing nothing...
I have no idea how great success is achieved as well. The most baffling is that when I go to minor HEs and kill everything alone, sometimes I get the great success and sometimes I don't. Sometimes I ride pass a HE and received enchantment rewards for doing nothing...
Its not just GFs, I did about 8 minor (and 1 major) HE with a geared CW yesterday. He was getting the same loot I was as well. We did a major PRospectors, both he got greens I got a blue, and we were there RIGHT when it spawned and were the first two that started it....
I think the issue is drop chance TBH. The drop chance on Majors isnt very good, and its even WORSE for minors. Your lucky to get a blue on minors and VERY lucky to bet purple. I dont think its something that the "top person" gets epic everytime. I think once youve hit enough "contribution" its all random at that point.
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN:
Is they either DRASTICALLY increase the major HE appearance AND the drop chance from BOTH minor and Majors.
-OR-
Create some "systematic" way of getting the items as discussed above.
I perfectly understand what are you going through.
Unfortunatly I only managed to get my main-hand before the dumb patch that nerfed the drop chances....since then, I never ever saw another epic drop...and now I have my whole Purified set crafted except the gloves....I play a DC...and I tried everything, healing, DPSing, buffing....just green garbage drops.
Unfortunatly I don't think they will ever change this, why? By making it RNG and random, they force you to keep playing so you can get the item...and what they want is you keep playing as much as possible...that's why they make dailies...1 quest per day...and wait 23hours... They need the garantee that you will come back the next day....
it appears they are going this route for mod 4 as well with Heroic Encounters ugh, if this is the case at least make every thing accessible at the vendor it's such a headache to grind out rep for 35 days only to have no use for it save kessels and the boons and if you dont get the mainhand or gloves your set is worthless. instead of having the items drop from the encounters it should be a currency that you collect to save up for the mainhand or hell even a daily quest to complete 1 Epic heroic encounter for a token ontop of the other daily quests then after a month you should have enough to buy the mainhand and gloves it's beyond comprehension why they gated it this way
then decreased the drop rates so no player ever wants to go to IWD. while black ice is nice if only for the over load slots the tenacity on the profound gear is better. but either way this isnt working and an official response from cryptic would be nice.
it appears they are going this route for mod 4 as well with Heroic Encounters ugh, if this is the case at least make every thing accessible at the vendor it's such a headache to grind out rep for 35 days only to have no use for it save kessels and the boons and if you dont get the mainhand or gloves your set is worthless. instead of having the items drop from the encounters it should be a currency that you collect to save up for the mainhand or hell even a daily quest to complete 1 Epic heroic encounter for a token ontop of the other daily quests then after a month you should have enough to buy the mainhand and gloves it's beyond comprehension why they gated it this way
then decreased the drop rates so no player ever wants to go to IWD. while black ice is nice if only for the over load slots the tenacity on the profound gear is better. but either way this isnt working and an official response from cryptic would be nice.
There is a play with the DEVs coming up today or tomorrow. Some of us need to get on there, they will be doing HEs and if we all ask them about this, itll be much harder for them to ignore it...
There have been alot of good suggestions here. Its really annoying we dont atleast have ANY DEV come in and comment, even if it was just to say "we will do something but not right now" so we know its atleast being SEEN and HEARD!
Its not even like farming other items... I remember I was mad about my Formorian OH not dropping on my GWF, but atleast I knew that overtime with high enough probability it would.... I knew if I kept making groups and running dungeons - I kept seeing epic drops so I was getting something.
With these HEs, its such a LOW chance to drop, AND its completely random in even FINDING major HEs to run, let alone, competing with everyone for the drop.
Heck, they could even just CHANGE the drop of gloves or MH into a single "chip" that is JUST as rare/epic as the current stuff, but make it BOE - available for sell, and available for ALL classes to trade into a vendor. Atleast this would allow people who sometimes do get doubles of something to trade/sell it to another so they can get their weapon or bracers...
I perfectly understand what are you going through.
Unfortunatly I only managed to get my main-hand before the dumb patch that nerfed the drop chances....since then, I never ever saw another epic drop...and now I have my whole Purified set crafted except the gloves....I play a DC...and I tried everything, healing, DPSing, buffing....just green garbage drops.
Unfortunatly I don't think they will ever change this, why? By making it RNG and random, they force you to keep playing so you can get the item...and what they want is you keep playing as much as possible...that's why they make dailies...1 quest per day...and wait 23hours... They need the garantee that you will come back the next day....
I hope I'm completly wrong and they help us.
Have fun everyone,
Almondum.
I'm not sure about other people, but HEs are taking time away from the other things I would prefer to do in game, like pvp and dungeons. I used to like doing HEs because of the massive number of enchantments that drop from it. Now the enchant drop rates are nerfed into oblivion, so there's no real attraction any more.
Dailies are ok since we know when it will be available and what we can definitely get after we finish them. If HEs are made like dailies "Finish 50 Epic HEs for a BI gauntlet" I will be more willing to go through the grind. Now it's just like a lottery that we are forced to pay, with a massive amount of time. I tried everything on my DC too... and got nothing... My CW has much higher DPS and got nothing either, even when I duo the major HEs.
I'm not sure about other people, but HEs are taking time away from the other things I would prefer to do in game, like pvp and dungeons. I used to like doing HEs because of the massive number of enchantments that drop from it. Now the enchant drop rates are nerfed into oblivion, so there's no real attraction any more.
Dailies are ok since we know when it will be available and what we can definitely get after we finish them. If HEs are made like dailies "Finish 50 Epic HEs for a BI gauntlet" I will be more willing to go through the grind. Now it's just like a lottery that we are forced to pay, with a massive amount of time. I tried everything on my DC too... and got nothing... My CW has much higher DPS and got nothing either, even when I duo the major HEs.
I think the lottery aspect is what kills it....
Its a SUPER low chance to get, OFF a super low chance of spawning (major HE)... And an even lower chance to get, off more common events like minor HEs....
Its not just GFs, I did about 8 minor (and 1 major) HE with a geared CW yesterday. He was getting the same loot I was as well. We did a major PRospectors, both he got greens I got a blue, and we were there RIGHT when it spawned and were the first two that started it....
I think the issue is drop chance TBH. The drop chance on Majors isnt very good, and its even WORSE for minors. Your lucky to get a blue on minors and VERY lucky to bet purple. I dont think its something that the "top person" gets epic everytime. I think once youve hit enough "contribution" its all random at that point.
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN:
Is they either DRASTICALLY increase the major HE appearance AND the drop chance from BOTH minor and Majors.
-OR-
Create some "systematic" way of getting the items as discussed above.
This is my experience as well, once you qualify for rewards, RNG takes over from there and you play the % dice roll. I have absolutely no doubt this is how HE rewards will ALWAYS work, don't expect any convenience changes on this, ever (infact it was even nerfed at least once).
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There are a lot of complaint and the complaints have never stopped, I guess it dwindled lately because people are losing hope in trying and perhaps just say **** it and go play other content. Running epic dungeons in all blues when I first hit 60 to get my t2s and grinding through all the dailies are not nearly as frustrating as what is happening with the drop rate in IWD. I welcomed these other grinding since there is a clear end to it, you play for a set amount of time, you will definitely get what you want. For t2 sets, I can do dailies and save up AD to buy it off AH. But the BI gear is just impossible... I will keep grinding and in the mean time, lets keep this thread going so that maybe one day... some day... either changes will come, or we will get our gear... perhaps in a year or so.
After the patch I started to grind for them again to complete both sets (purified and corrupted) but without luck so far. Epic HE are so rare that when they come up the whole population of the map runs to the place and obliterates all monsters too fast to get purple stuff (I did get a couple of Hammerstone weapons for other clasess actually but that's even worse... at least drop Hammerstone weapons for my class so that I can complete the sets).
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+ x amount of dwarf gold + black ice =your glove or mainhand at least this way we are guarenteed to get it.
i could spend month grinding with no hope of ever reaching my goal.
anyone that has gotten any of these items got them before the patch, and if you got it after you got extremely lucky and congrats
after 100+ HE i have given up there is just no hope and if i got these items tomorrow sure i would be happy but i could never see myself ever wanting to gear out a second character in BI equipment because of this reason.
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THis is what I have been having issues with as well... Alot of people from guilds will post in their guild chat "Beholder on me" and they invite 10+ people to the zone COMBINED with the players that are already in the zone easily creates 20+ person groups on 1 BEHO HE....
I dont know how all the contribution is calculated, but it just seems a tad ridiculous IF the HE encounter rate and drop rate stays the same...
If they buff all the HE rates and drop rates that COULD work, but IMO I like the "farming system" with currency ALOT better...
There have been several good ideas in this thread. All I think we can do, is keep bumping this with feedback and hopefully it gets looked at...........
Making the drop items bind on equip would alleviate most of the problem. People probably don't even want to know how many main hand weapons and bracers I've trashed for a few hundred measly black ice. I would have much rather sold them on the AH to someone who had grown frustrated with the whole process. That would also give me a reason to go back and try to get more.
1. Show the scores for the HE you are nearest to, and have said scores persist for a decent period of time.
2. Get rid of "trash" rewards for the higher reward tiers. If you score in the blue or purple tiers, you should always get something good - not just a chunk of RBI & a blue mat.
2a. Check and recheck the scoring algorithm so as to give proper credit for dealing damage, taking damage, healing, buffing, debuffing, and time involved in said HE - someone who has been contributing from the start, even if they didn't deal as much damage as a latecomer, should have their contribution given a bit more wait, (obviously you'd also need to check for AFKers, so maybe just use the time involved as a multiplier to their other contributions).
3. Since the game is already tracking how many HEs you participate in, have the different items that can be dropped from the HEs unlock at their relevant vendors in Kaer-Konig based upon how many HEs you have participated in, (for black ice, ADs, gold, the various other campaign currencies, or some combination). Make these items BoP or BtA.
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Been spending like a week now SPAMMING HEs and barely even getting purples.. have tried soloing or 2-manning some Ancestral Ceremony's as well... it seems the drop chance is really realyl low and very random...a friend of mine got mainhand from beholder just from being there like 30 seconds when boss was 30-40% hp.
I ve been searching for arms and mainhand for like a week on my CW .. im still in a mood that i believe i will get them soon. but its stats getting more and more annoying...
to be also fair. black ice gear is not that great for most classes.. people are gonna abandon doing any HEs when mod 4 comes if they just feel its a waste of time... changes are needed in order for players to feel that searching HEs is not a total waste of their time...
true it may not be be the best for some classes but it is a stepping stone in the right direction to achieveing that however the random gate on even completeing the full set is ridiculous all the items should be in the vendor store for IWD currency + AD if it comes to that not this constant run in circles farming every 90 or so minutes in hopes oyu get a drop if you are there from the start and there are 20+ people your gonna walk away with a rank 5 enchantment woopdie doo
If only there was an additional way to gain the item as well. I feel like thats part of the issue on why these things always fail. When mod 1 came out i farmed my formorian OH on my GF with ease, then it took me literally 38 runs for my gwf... I was beyond fed up with it. They should have had ANY of that gear set purchasable via the vendor (how you get the armor) but also give ALL of the gear a chance to drop off the boss. Two methods of gaining the items. One is the slow farm via currency, the other is the RNG.
Sharandar - the epic gear from MC should not only DROP from the last boss (giving a reason to do it) but also all pieces (including the OH - minus the MH that you get from weaponsmith) should be available for purchase via the vendor.
DreadRing - same idea. All the gear is available through the vendor. it also ALL can drop off valindra.
IceWind - Again, make it so all the gear can be purchased via HE farming, Id also like to see all the gear available to drop OFF of Kessils - to give a purpose in running that.
I dont think its an issue of content, I just think they are not assigning the gear to the proper content and avenue of getting... if that make sense.
Think about IWD, they gave us heroic encounters and KEssils and this drawn out "rep" system, yet they make a majority of the gear purchased via black ice?!
It just seems rather simple to me, and then with that blackice gear, you craft it via some mats for the better versions. They should have made the BASIC blackice gear have a set bonus, but farmable via Kessil's, HEs, and the rep system. Or heck, even via the coins and tears like the campaign...
People farm things for gear, so far I have yet to even run K.R. because there is no point....
I hope they learn this for mod 4, make the gear what you get from the new dungeon and skirmish. ALSO give TWO paths to obtaining he gear. 1) RNG 2) Grind it out with a slow systematic way. Maybe they overlap, maybe they dont. But TWO methods of getting the gear.
Lol Yup!
Seeing as how the new gear has no tenacity, seems like its purely a PVE setup. There is a CHANCE I could see 2pc 2pc working for some classes, but either way, we really need to be able to get the blackice gear without this random farming.
The thing that really scares me too, is if people are off trying to do mod4 stuff, less people will be running around to do minor HEs making it harder to farm them without a group.
Majors will still almost always have 20+ people because people always invite their buddies to do it with them.
I really hope not! Some of the new gear isnt even as good as BI gear...
One of my guild mates and me were on our CWs which my does lot more damage than his and has better gear. He was in DV while I was in IWP. Prospector Attack spawn so I went to the encounter and started he asked for invite so invited him over. It wasn't till boss spawn that he was able to make it. But guess who got their gloves from the encounter? If you guessed my guild mate you would be right. This wasn't a the only time my guild has seen this happen either. If I had to guess it seams the drop system is based on nothing more than pure luck. :mad:
The only thing making all Mod3 and Mod4 gear instantly overshadow previous tiers are the new Overload enchantments, it seems.
But even then, it's a tough call with a lot of classes because of the much stronger quality of their t2 set bonuses *and stat allocation.
I agree with this so much
What they need to do is add seal drops to the Epic HEs. Collect 'X' amount of seals and you can purchase the weapon and arms. Still leave it that the items can still drop, but at least make doing 30/40+ HEs worthwhile in the end. Hell, add it to the Black Ice profession. Collect Ice Shards from doing epic HEs and then couple them with other Black Ice assets/resources and you can forge the basic Black Ice main-hand and arms.
I say major because only with major encounters you need Great Success to get Black Ice gear, with Epic encounters I've obtained the Black Ice Longsword by just showing up for Beholder,so those are not really a problem.
The scoring system is just completely skewed in favour of dps over healing and tanking, there's no other explanation.
However, it's not something over which I'd lose sleep. Black Ice Sets only seem viable for a while (it's not even THAT much better than the rest of the sets), but then you realize that you have to farm the Black Ice to bring em back to tier 3 once you've depleted the items. (from tier 0 that's 4500 a piece. A whopping 27000 in total) After that you just say "screw it" and go back to a set that doesn't force you to grind to make it best.
I have no idea how great success is achieved as well. The most baffling is that when I go to minor HEs and kill everything alone, sometimes I get the great success and sometimes I don't. Sometimes I ride pass a HE and received enchantment rewards for doing nothing...
Its not just GFs, I did about 8 minor (and 1 major) HE with a geared CW yesterday. He was getting the same loot I was as well. We did a major PRospectors, both he got greens I got a blue, and we were there RIGHT when it spawned and were the first two that started it....
I think the issue is drop chance TBH. The drop chance on Majors isnt very good, and its even WORSE for minors. Your lucky to get a blue on minors and VERY lucky to bet purple. I dont think its something that the "top person" gets epic everytime. I think once youve hit enough "contribution" its all random at that point.
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN:
Is they either DRASTICALLY increase the major HE appearance AND the drop chance from BOTH minor and Majors.
-OR-
Create some "systematic" way of getting the items as discussed above.
I perfectly understand what are you going through.
Unfortunatly I only managed to get my main-hand before the dumb patch that nerfed the drop chances....since then, I never ever saw another epic drop...and now I have my whole Purified set crafted except the gloves....I play a DC...and I tried everything, healing, DPSing, buffing....just green garbage drops.
Unfortunatly I don't think they will ever change this, why? By making it RNG and random, they force you to keep playing so you can get the item...and what they want is you keep playing as much as possible...that's why they make dailies...1 quest per day...and wait 23hours... They need the garantee that you will come back the next day....
I hope I'm completly wrong and they help us.
Have fun everyone,
Almondum.
then decreased the drop rates so no player ever wants to go to IWD. while black ice is nice if only for the over load slots the tenacity on the profound gear is better. but either way this isnt working and an official response from cryptic would be nice.
There is a play with the DEVs coming up today or tomorrow. Some of us need to get on there, they will be doing HEs and if we all ask them about this, itll be much harder for them to ignore it...
There have been alot of good suggestions here. Its really annoying we dont atleast have ANY DEV come in and comment, even if it was just to say "we will do something but not right now" so we know its atleast being SEEN and HEARD!
Its not even like farming other items... I remember I was mad about my Formorian OH not dropping on my GWF, but atleast I knew that overtime with high enough probability it would.... I knew if I kept making groups and running dungeons - I kept seeing epic drops so I was getting something.
With these HEs, its such a LOW chance to drop, AND its completely random in even FINDING major HEs to run, let alone, competing with everyone for the drop.
Heck, they could even just CHANGE the drop of gloves or MH into a single "chip" that is JUST as rare/epic as the current stuff, but make it BOE - available for sell, and available for ALL classes to trade into a vendor. Atleast this would allow people who sometimes do get doubles of something to trade/sell it to another so they can get their weapon or bracers...
I'm not sure about other people, but HEs are taking time away from the other things I would prefer to do in game, like pvp and dungeons. I used to like doing HEs because of the massive number of enchantments that drop from it. Now the enchant drop rates are nerfed into oblivion, so there's no real attraction any more.
Dailies are ok since we know when it will be available and what we can definitely get after we finish them. If HEs are made like dailies "Finish 50 Epic HEs for a BI gauntlet" I will be more willing to go through the grind. Now it's just like a lottery that we are forced to pay, with a massive amount of time. I tried everything on my DC too... and got nothing... My CW has much higher DPS and got nothing either, even when I duo the major HEs.
I think the lottery aspect is what kills it....
Its a SUPER low chance to get, OFF a super low chance of spawning (major HE)... And an even lower chance to get, off more common events like minor HEs....
This is my experience as well, once you qualify for rewards, RNG takes over from there and you play the % dice roll. I have absolutely no doubt this is how HE rewards will ALWAYS work, don't expect any convenience changes on this, ever (infact it was even nerfed at least once).