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nwnghost
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Many PvP GWFs are Sentinel anyway and with the module 4 changes, probably even more will turn to Sentinel for survivability.
Sentinel even right now is extremely hard to kill and can hit very hard (in IV spec or with Tenebrous). It will become more obvious in Module 4 actually. Sentinel is a very tanky burst damage spec and not a constant damage dealer.
They are also great at keeping points contested.
I don't think Sentinels need any further buffs. Instigators do
Sentinel even right now is extremely hard to kill and can hit very hard (in IV spec or with Tenebrous). It will become more obvious in Module 4 actually. Sentinel is a very tanky burst damage spec and not a constant damage dealer.
They are also great at keeping points contested.
I don't think Sentinels need any further buffs. Instigators do
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You forget that HRs set get bugs, that roots no longer stuns. though they do seem to get some serious other buffs.
CWs cast times increased.
GFs and enemies GWFs lose prones (so you can trigger unstoppable more easily).
We have yet to see TR changes.
so its still too early to tell. I don't agree with the threatening rush change though, that one will hurt too much for GWFs (not as bad for GF because of their encounters)
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
NO I didnt forget these things. Trust me im not just QQing about a nerf to a class, I have been an advocate of many things to my own classes.
The big issue I see - from someone who has played both sides - is that GWFs HEAVILY rely on ranged stuns/prones to just CATCH a target.
They rely HEAVILY on unstoppable to survive while other classes just kite them around.
you just removed BOTH of those features. Basically Destroyer is unplayable because of how squishy it is. Honestly 5-10% DR? basically its a GWF without unstoppable - see how fast they die.
So for Sentinels... Ok they keep unstoppable, takedown got a massive damage nerf, FLS got a massive prone nerf, they already had their teeth taken from them module 3.... So they do what now? Contest a node? Well they still arent HALF the contester the TR is, and I have a feeling a GF will hop over the GWF now for the #2 slot here as well if specced right.
Like I said... people complain about the damage a Destroyer can do, fine, nerf the damage. But if they cant DODGE hits, and now cant TAKE hits... what good are they in pvp?
If a Sentinel cant catch anything via prones and cant deal damage even when they can catch someone, what good are they in pvp?
I see TR becoming back as "top dog" due to perma TR cheese and HRs right behind them with all these actual buffs to the class... GFs seem like they may be VIABLE but its yet to be seen.
There will probably be more Oppressors now though with the rework.
Destroyer: "I'm gana go Unstoppable!"
Becomes bigger and dies
We can't even run(GF). Lifesteal will keep you alive.
That is mostly because of QQ.
It's not GWF specific.
It's not GWF specific.
Lifesteal will not keep us alive. OUr skills are target capped at 5, unstoppable lowers our base damage from atwills. And GF's cant run but they have block which currently mitgates ALL damage and soon 80%+ damage.
It brings Ironvanguard inline for GWf's it hurts GF's more than it hurts GWF's for every change they do to Iron vanguard. GWf's have alternate methods of getting around.
GF's are limited in thier movement ability and Threatening rush suppliments that. They cant get around at will when they want. GWF's can at nearly any given time.
There will be changes to this before it goes live. The more you test it, the better the end result will be for everyone because the more statistically relevant it will be for the developers.
When I test things I like to see how far to push till it breaks. Some of these changes are like that. They want to see what effect it has when pushed to an extreme. Go test it.
I can also imagine a GF using the new enforced threat in CN, with new blocking mechanic that leaves in 20% of the damage for you to take, they'll be dead long before their stamina runs out.
So I guess it's up to rangers to do the tanking...?
Oh no, GWF has to go tanky and land 150k crits instead of 160k.
We arennt personally concerned about PVP. No one is complaining about PVP. We're concerned about a GWF in a T2 dungion, as the change is blanket wide, not just PVP.
CW: Rodrant Turnbul
TR: Rodran
DC: Rodrat
GWF: ROARdrant TurnBRAWL
Other GWF: Shieldrant
HR: Bowdrant
SW: Wardrant Turnlock (my main!)
OP: Paladrant (on Preview!)
And the general consensus, is that aside from everything with Unstoppable, these changes are good. Including my opinion. The unstoppable changes is where the backlash comes from.
This is essentially what every post is coming down to saying, in this thread, the CW thread and the GF thread.
You are joking, correct? I am not even sure why an at will is limited to x number of charges. You might as well convert it into an encounter.
I understand that GWFs get a mobility benefit from it (My main GWF is SM, btw, so I am unaffected by this) but hoping the GF isn't getting hit by this (although assuming it is). Ideally, they should have halved the distance of the rush to make it less mobility, but not limited how often it can be cast.
Uhhh, It dident make them obsolete. A TR without the aggro still kills stupidly fast, but with no DR at low levels....
Look, the dude in scale shouldent be as squishy as the TR. We have. No. Other. Option. Like all other's have said. We have no dodge, we have no stuns, we have. This. And this is being nerfed to near no effectiveness. Once again, as all other's have said, 15-30 is reasonable. 5-10 is not. Even at high levels, you have to have an answer to all those big circles. The TR has stealth, the GF has a block, we have this, and no matter how you slice it, deminishing it hurt's us. Badly.
it makes. No. Sense. I've seen bad GWF's die even -with- this system of 25-50. Once again, a 10-20% nerf would be -fine-.
Even the people who play this for PVP are calling them out on these changes. Watching most of our surviveability die, and geting enraged, to me, is not overeacting.
When those are some of the few only methods in taking out tough opponents.
How did people take out the old Sentinel GWF's? They conducted series of prones to prevent them from getting unstoppable
How do people mess up perma stealth rogues rotations? Proning them, lowering thier stealth meter messing up thier perma stealth or proning them just as they used shadow strike, unable to use stealth while prone.
Those dashing HR's that constantly slip away from you. Prone, sits them still for a while.
Those super super tanky GF's that sit on points with thier sheild up with an almost and endless shield meter? Get behind and prone them.
Prone is a valuable disable, since all other CC's you can activate any CC immunities and get out of it immediately. And one of the few methods to counter some of these builds. Which is why I dont think such builds dont need to be changed, because there are ways to work against them. Taking away methods to work against them, will just cause the NEED for those builds to be hacked away. And that makes for a much more stale and cookie cutter play experience for everyone.
Instead of removing prone from pvp, have prones actually obey CC resist and tenacity. That would have been the ideal way of dealing with the prone chains instead of just changing them to stun. Having prones obey CC resist, allows people who get hit with prones to at least be able to get up quick enough to be able to act before the next one comes while also having the Proner to have a chance to chain up a hit. It keeps CC chains a thing while also giving people a chance and methods to get out of them and break them.
Beleive it or not but stuns arent work much of jack. Thats why GWF's and GF's dont really use flourish. Prones should still be a viable strategy and not an aspect to be removed from the fold altogether.
Actually I was complaining about the fun of playing the class being taken away. You already have to step out of (some) red circles when not being unstoppable. Now you have to do it even if you are unstoppable. So what's the point of being unstoppable at all? They could just get rid of it for Destroyers and Instigators. A DR of 10% just does not make enough difference.
Unstoppable is the CORE of the GWF class. Take it away and it is a different class. It's like taking stealth from the TRs. Spell mastery from CWs. Divinity from DCs. Etc.
Agree with this. The GWF as it is now steals too much airtime from the GF. The GWF is practically a TR+GF bizarro combination that doesn't make sense. If it takes this much changes to (if not balance classes) relegate the GWF to a designated role, then it's a welcome change.
PS: I had a 14K GWF that I rage deleted when the cheese hit the fan. I have another GWF now since grinding for the Artifact quest! IF MEMORY serves me, my main TR was originally hit by a nerf even more drastic than this one. And to voice a different opinion about dropping cash, there are people like me who hated broken classes who might come back to playing the GWF if it presented more challenge.
We always had to do that. At least the glass cannon builds that go for dps. Do you think we all just run t1 dungeons? I chug potions like there's no tommorow! I'm not quite as sad as others are though. Perhaps now we actually take GFs and DCs in our groups?
And now Destroyer will be unplayable in PvP again.
Yeah, good luck with that,
- Wicked Strike is still broken
- Sprint itself is so **** you get hit by things even after running 10 feet past the edge of the red
- Sprint uses too much stamina/GWF stamina regen is too low
Iits not normal when in open pvp there are 10 gwfs, few hunters and a dc
Its not normal, that result of any pvp match is desided only by the fact, who has a 18k gwf on team.
Its not normal, when u fight a gwf with 3 ppl and on 5k hp he pops unstoppable and sprints out for heals without any chances of killing it.
Its not normal, that i can hit for 25k with a 12k gwf with blue items.
And its not normal, that most gwfs complain that now they have to avoid red areas. Lol, really? All others need to do dodge red and for gwf it's not acceptable?