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Easy fix for Perma-Stealth. (Not sure if this has been mentioned before)
lrdthorren
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Who knows what is in the minds of the devs whether their for or against perm-stealth.
Here is an easy solution that will still allow for perma-stealth any time they attack just make them go into that shadowy state where they are semi-solid. Make it a cool down equal to the heal debuff that you get when your in combat. Now they still get all their stealth effects.
This makes it more to way DnD is when a rogue attacks as they make themselves known. Yet they will still stay in stealth and if they want they can run away till the timer disappears.
Here is an easy solution that will still allow for perma-stealth any time they attack just make them go into that shadowy state where they are semi-solid. Make it a cool down equal to the heal debuff that you get when your in combat. Now they still get all their stealth effects.
This makes it more to way DnD is when a rogue attacks as they make themselves known. Yet they will still stay in stealth and if they want they can run away till the timer disappears.
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I who'd just increase the area you can see rogue in stealth
so as you say they can still enjoy the biffs etc. but it will be easier to catch them
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But lets put some light into some facts:
TR was (is?) primary dps and a class that did massive single target dps until river of tears from PvPers came to the forums and it turned into massive nerf over time and made people create diffrent ways to be "good" in PvP while PvE TRs were left with nothing.
So I'll ask you: What is TR suppose to do? He's damage is done only by lashing blade from stealth (LB without stealth is just like single target CWs sudden storm) and a bit of help from cloud of steel and that's it (PvE has also dazing strike which procs really well with arcane singularity).
You want easy fix for perma stealth? BUFF TRs DAMAGE. With it perma TRs will disappear (perma stealths need entire power bar filled with non/low damaging powers) or become something like high Def GFs/GWFs
I have no problem with the TR class being redesigned from the ground up to be less reliant on stealth. But that is literally what you would have to do before you could introduce stealth depletion on all attacks. Otherwise 80% of TR feats become worthless.
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I don't mind if they are able to see me for 1-2 sec after i attack them , It's actually a nc idea . But since it's a nerf we should be given something in return . Impact shot on it's previous condition and i would happily agree to this change of us being visible when we hit but only for a short period of time . 2 seconds max
I've never cared about the damage that rogues do. I have always cared about the damage rogues do while you can't do anything about it particularly because good rogues can rotate stealth and ITC seamlessly. For all I care give them a bunch of damage back and reduce the effectiveness of the permastealth build, my one and only complaint against rogues.
They could fix perma-stealth at a stroke by removing the stealth refill from Bait and Switch. Semi-perma (which is what most so-called permas run) is a little trickier but some well targeted adjustments to feats and/or Shadow Strike should be able to make stealth long lasting but nowhere near perma.
They would, however, also have to add some way for TRs to survive longer than a heartbeat when not in stealth.
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The 2nd one . But give us impact shot back .
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Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Us being visible for a very short duration of time while we hit should solve their <things> and give us a dps boost .
Exactly this, I have no idea why these people want to touch stealth. It's the friggin' skills that cause permas to stay in stealth forever - those "skills" need adjusting...not stealth.
yes but with nerf proposition should go buff proposition on something else otherwise TRs will become less and less useful in PvE and pretty much stealth class will become less stealthy and we'll come to the point where HR will be better stealth class than TR
Fixed it for ya
Try itc, i heard it does exactly what you just mentioned.
it doesn't work like this . We got the most pathetic Dps right now .Gfs is the only class that has lower dps than us .(Dcs don't count @ all ).ITC depletes our stealth meter so using it makes us visible .Us being visible for 2 seconds after hitting you is more than enough for us to be locked and killed .
Well, TR's are not tanks and being invulnerable for such a long period of time as the majority of TR's want it to be, seems awkward to me.
The problem is that i am not a perma . I am not an INT based but on both pve and on pvp sometimes i use SS - B&S with an impact shot combo instead of those useless trs that use POB and ITC and make those annoying perma builds ....If stealth changes my build automatically is being ruined . I don't use dot echancement for my weapon neither . Why should my and several other trs build get a nerf just because most of the pugs ain't making the move to read some guides ... ?
I think TWO things could be added that would make them fairly viable again.
1) Give a class feature that boosts deflect up to the amount of stealth missing up to 15%.
2) Give TR the SAME HR "dodge" = short but MANY dodges.
3) Remove Shadow Strikes ability to refill stealth meter (unless used IN stealth)
4) Lashing Blade's *NEW* Stealth Bonus should be 50% reduced CD INSTEAD of 100% crit chance.
5) Impact Shot changed to TWO charges PERIOD - at previous damage (non of this less damage per stacks crud)
6) Smoke Bomb - add a DoT to targets IN smokebomb as the stealth bonus.
I think this would be a good start - this gives TRs decent survivability outside stealth, gives them decent damage an would make them somewhat fun again. This allows them to be geared towards damage dealing rather than just stealth and would STILL give them stealth options - but hard to go back into it once out.
Oh noes! You guys are visible for more than 2 seconds and you get killed?
What about CW and GFs then?
You realize that deflection is a myth right ?
2 -3 seconds are more than enough to kill even one of the most geared trs out there ....
so how many seconds would it take to kill CWs and GFs using that math?