Any reason to play a GF over an GWF?

lococatt91

I have a GF and an GWF at about 14k gs. I really cannot see any reason to continue playing the GF. The GWF does more DPS has better survivability and I have yet to find a situation that the GF is prefered (PVP or PVE). Plus the GWF is just alot more fun to play.

So any reason I should keep my GF up?

demidogz

Yes, to have the experience of powers, playstyles, etc.

Since you got both of them, you can compare once you get the hang of both and choose the one you prefer.

My guess is you'll pick GWF (I don't say?), like c'mon Sprint, AoE damage and Unstoppable compared to Block and the usual knockdown thing? No fight at all.

vcek

the only reason to choose GF for infinite prone in pvp, when you ram someone into the walls

slushpsycho

Well the reason I still play my GF is because when I own as my GWF that is because GWF is strong as fk.

And when I own as a GF I know I am playing something right, it is a really rewarding feeling.

There are few GF that are actually good still around playing, but they are a good example that GF is still viable under two condition: 1. you have a team( a decent one ) 2. you need to be good at GF which is not exactly a easy thing.

GF's biggest problem right now is that he is just as good as your team is, when your team is outmatched GF die like fly. That is why u never even seen a good GF in pug games cause they don't solo queue, they always come in pack.

zacazu

the first question is: is there reason to play with a defender?

yes: gf is defender better than gwf.

no: gwf is best option.


On the other hand if you are one of those who think being defender is simply being tough, go with the gwf and God help your team (or a good cw).

norsemanx

My reason for playing GF is twofold.

One, I just enjoy the playstyle. My short little Dwarf with a giant shield, stomping around just entertains me.

Two, I can't stand playing the FOTM class, the one that is the most powerful at the moment. I mostly pvp and to me it's just cheesy to play a GWF there. I like a challenge more than I care about winning at all costs. When I see a GF played well in pvp I respect that player. GWF doesn't need to be played nearly as well. So it's kind of a personal pride thing.

masterjewstar

love my gf for support and the ablilty to smash things that are attacking my party its like fighting ragdolls against some opponents especially when i knock a fool over lol.

agreed norse all classes are extremely fun when used right its why i'm still here.

zacazu

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todesfaelle

I guess the only reason you'll want to play a GF is if you want a different challenge. If you want a solid and strong class, roll a GWF. You will not regret it.

frarii

I have all the toons at 60 and decent geared... yet i only play Frar... and that's because i really really enjoy tanking in this game, doing it properly i mean, yeah, our animations are slow, yeah, our dps is not as good as DPS classes, and now we are kinda unwanted in late endgame, but after a decade of easy tanking and just being able to fall asleep in the keyboard and not dying nor having to fight for the agro, this game's tanking is the most satisfying experience i had in years.

ripyourlipsoff

No! The GF shines between lvl 1 and 25 after that they are out played by the GWF in every capacity... I am shamed i made a GF whom is lvl 50 and I see he is actually getting worse and worse the higher my lvl.

Its like the GFs digressing in ability every lvl now! Mobs and Bosses are harder hit my block 2 times and I have no guard, constanty spamming Villains menace daily do to no ability to stop being prone, knocked back, and stunned!

The GF is a waste of a class adn I actually submitted a ticket letting them know my dilemna of not knowing the GF would be useless and it should be stated on the character creation screen that end game only CW / GWF will be required! I asked for a free reroll to 50 on a GWF and to delete my GF, or refund the $70 I spent on him under the disguise he was useful and competitive...

eton3000

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

The GF is a waste of a class adn I actually submitted a ticket letting them know my dilemna of not knowing the GF would be useless and it should be stated on the character creation screen that end game only CW / GWF will be required!

what a pos...rofl although i agree with GF not on par with CW and GWF, thinking that end game requires CW / GWF to complete is such a scrub mindset. i understand you just joined last month, but you had more QQ posts than playtime. how about you play more and learn?

ripyourlipsoff

Feel what you like the GF is a HAMSTER class and is out played by his DPS counterpart with better abilities. How is it the TANK GF is less of a tank then a 2 handed warrior? Please explain to me how an AOE 2 handed weapon carrier has better survivability, better mobility, better AOE, and ridiculous DPS. The GF is left on the porch with no role!

Like saying F 16 fighter jet can still bomb and attack, but why use that when you can fly a SR 71 Blackbird above the atmosphere at higher speeds and with more precision!

eton3000 wrote: »

what a pos...rofl although i agree with GF not on par with CW and GWF, thinking that end game requires CW / GWF to complete is such a scrub mindset. i understand you just joined last month, but you had more QQ posts than playtime. how about you play more and learn?

ripyourlipsoff

Should not the DPS tank class have a weakness of far less armor and tankability? If not then the GF should have his DPS raised 50% and be given some AOE!

frarii

our at will is AoE... and then again, GF is not the problem, dungeon design is... and btw i outdps 80% of the GWFs of the game as a GF, and never had survival problems...

ripyourlipsoff

You are either...

A. Lying or play with poor players

B. Are a MAIN GWF and are worried of getting nerfed or other classes getting buffed and not being killed so easily?

C. Are just in complete denial?

frarii wrote: »

our at will is AoE... and then again, GF is not the problem, dungeon design is... and btw i outdps 80% of the GWFs of the game as a GF, and never had survival problems...

twstdecho

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

Like saying F 16 fighter jet can still bomb and attack, but why use that when you can fly a SR 71 Blackbird above the atmosphere at higher speeds and with more precision!

Uhm, horrible analogy as they both have completely different mission types/uses. You wouldn't use an F16 to fly over and spy without detection, and you wouldn't use an SR-71 for air to air combat and air to ground support.


You would, however, use a GWF over a GF in most cases in NW currently.

twstdecho

All things being equal, a GWF should do more damage but not be as "tough" as a GF. They shouldn't be able to provide much, if any CC, and they should be tied for the absolute highest single target DPS in the game. GF's should be tougher, do less damage, and provide CC as a secondary role along with a CW, being able to draw enemies to him and keep them focused on him.

masterjewstar

all the classes play differently and kiting should be a strategy in every players skillset.

and they are both fighters and are just as good as the other end game depending on the needs of the team or player.

for instance with my GWF i will move out of the way of heavy attacks and gain determination through being hit by a weaker bunch of attacks or if i can handle that heavy damage i will fight through the pain

with my cw i will not jump in front of enemy attacks to hit with steal time or what have you.

With my gf I only tank what I can and kite the rest for a time to protect myself and my party from damage while also knocking people over or taking damage for them.

even my two sent and destroyer gwfs cant match my tank for aggro locking and threat generation.

ripyourlipsoff

Kiting should be a strategy for classes that cannot tank! A tank class carrying a shield and heavy armor should not NEED to kite as his whole purpose is to take on the beast head on while his team kill him from behind...


If the game is going to proceed with needing to kite, the GF need the tools to do so, or the ability to change his role in the game to assist in another capacity!

masterjewstar wrote: »

all the classes play differently and kiting should be a strategy in every players skillset.

and they are both fighters and are just as good as the other end game depending on the needs of the team or player.

for instance with my GWF i will move out of the way of heavy attacks and gain determination through being hit by a weaker bunch of attacks or if i can handle that heavy damage i will fight through the pain

with my cw i will not jump in front of enemy attacks to hit with steal time or what have you.

With my gf I only tank what I can and kite the rest for a time to protect myself and my party from damage while also knocking people over or taking damage for them.

even my two sent and destroyer gwfs cant match my tank for aggro locking and threat generation.

masterjewstar

kiting is a strategy that everyone should employ if they need it. it was developed by players not the devs like the rocket jump or dropshotting or camping was its not always majestic or even fair but they are all valid strategies.

and a shield cannot block everything especially in real life.

even though it is fantasy logic still has some hold here.

this game requires a small to large amount of strategy, effort, and team work to play and win.

kolatmaster

It comes down to what you enjoy...

If you enjoy the GF class, the theme, the abilities, the look, etc. Then you rock it to the 10th degree, and let no one tell you different.

I, personally, have been a GWF since open Beta and haven't looked back. I have 4 level 60 GWFs (different races and different specs) because I love the class. I love the way it looks, I love the way it gets in your face, I love how the playing feels like mechanically, etc. I'm a GWF specialist, and always will be.

Would I say mechanically, right now, that GWFs are 'better' then GFs overall? Yes. Though the GWF went through it's own Nadir from the late open Beta until just before Module 2 came out (even before Mod 2 the GWF was perfectly viable!) and now the GWF is one of the better classes in the game (mechanically speaking) considering both PvP and PvE.

Once again, bottom line, you play what you like... If you're not enjoying the GF (for whatever reason), then start leveling up a new Class and keep going until you find one (or even a few!) that you like the most.

Enjoy the game, that's all that matters at the end of the day. :cool:

badeacelrau

Rofl at people being bad. A few months ago everyone was crying on the forums that GWF fitz no role "we are not tank, we are not dps, bla bla bla nerf tr bla bla nerf cw bla".
What has changed since? It still "fitz no role". More damage you say? If you weren't terribad and knew how to animation-cancel topping the DPS charts was easy. Now they're crying GWF is "the most OP class in the game" hahaha.

badxideas

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

Feel what you like the GF is a HAMSTER class and is out played by his DPS counterpart with better abilities. How is it the TANK GF is less of a tank then a 2 handed warrior? Please explain to me how an AOE 2 handed weapon carrier has better survivability, better mobility, better AOE, and ridiculous DPS. The GF is left on the porch with no role!

Like saying F 16 fighter jet can still bomb and attack, but why use that when you can fly a SR 71 Blackbird above the atmosphere at higher speeds and with more precision!

I realize you are 3 yrs old and don't know any better but...

1) The SR-71 is many times more expensive than the f-16. Why would you throw them into fights recklessly? When you are old enough to be a taxpayer you will understand...

2) I solo'd my first GF from 1 to 60. If you hit the wall at level 50 then YOU were doing something wrong. Period. At level 60 I started grouping regularly and everything just got easier, even though the epic content was harder. So - it isn't your GF, it's YOU.

3) I just returned to the game after...a significant time away. When I left, all of the GWF were complaining about how much better the GF was. If you don't have the foresight to realize that the ebb & flow of the development of the game will leave some classes in more favorable condition than others for certain periods of time and that changes will CHANGE things, then you will probably understand when you are older, probably around puberty.

badxideas

kolatmaster wrote: »

It comes down to what you enjoy...

If you enjoy the GF class, the theme, the abilities, the look, etc. Then you rock it to the 10th degree, and let no one tell you different.

I, personally, have been a GWF since open Beta and haven't looked back. I have 4 level 60 GWFs (different races and different specs) because I love the class. I love the way it looks, I love the way it gets in your face, I love how the playing feels like mechanically, etc. I'm a GWF specialist, and always will be.

Would I say mechanically, right now, that GWFs are 'better' then GFs overall? Yes. Though the GWF went through it's own Nadir from the late open Beta until just before Module 2 came out (even before Mod 2 the GWF was perfectly viable!) and now the GWF is one of the better classes in the game (mechanically speaking) considering both PvP and PvE.

Once again, bottom line, you play what you like... If you're not enjoying the GF (for whatever reason), then start leveling up a new Class and keep going until you find one (or even a few!) that you like the most.

Enjoy the game, that's all that matters at the end of the day. :cool:

THIS!

(also, as a player with 3 GFs - which I have because I love the feel, the style...everything you said you love about the GWF - I applaud your dedication to your favorite class and to the ultimate pursuit of FUN and ENJOYMENT OF THE GAME)

gulrakis

lococatt91 wrote: »

I have a GF and an GWF at about 14k gs. I really cannot see any reason to continue playing the GF. The GWF does more DPS has better survivability and I have yet to find a situation that the GF is prefered (PVP or PVE). Plus the GWF is just alot more fun to play.

So any reason I should keep my GF up?

Yes play your GF for a day or a hour then switch back to your GWF and you will respect how much the GF sucks and you wont ask this question again. I love class's that use shields also but in this game the lack of DEV care for the GF really is remarkable!

ripyourlipsoff

Personal insults makes you looks smarter.

badxideas wrote: »

I realize you are 3 yrs old and don't know any better but...

1) The SR-71 is many times more expensive than the f-16. Why would you throw them into fights recklessly? When you are old enough to be a taxpayer you will understand...

2) I solo'd my first GF from 1 to 60. If you hit the wall at level 50 then YOU were doing something wrong. Period. At level 60 I started grouping regularly and everything just got easier, even though the epic content was harder. So - it isn't your GF, it's YOU.

3) I just returned to the game after...a significant time away. When I left, all of the GWF were complaining about how much better the GF was. If you don't have the foresight to realize that the ebb & flow of the development of the game will leave some classes in more favorable condition than others for certain periods of time and that changes will CHANGE things, then you will probably understand when you are older, probably around puberty.

badxideas

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

Personal insults makes you looks smarter.

Oh I know how it makes me look and I am not proud.

Do you know how bytching and moaning and dissing everyone else for not buying into it makes YOU look?

Like a f'ing 3 yr old.

disssspppp

My GF is nearly 18.5k GS with a greater plaguefire and I get smoked in DPS and survivability by GWF's at the 14k+ range. The only thing GF does better is agro, but what good is that when you draw every mob's CC ability and are stuck constantly drawing your shield instead of just hitting tab and fighting through it? I've pretty much given up on the class for now and started up a CW the other day. The mobility difference is night and day, and not being hit by constant knockbacks, knockdowns, stuns, silences makes me wish I had made the decision to switch much earlier.

If you want to play a melee class there is absolutely no reason to pick a GF over a GWF right now.

frarii

Start by not blocking... there is nothing more lame than a GF that blocks!

You block 2 hits and 2 hits only, the ones that get you stun/prone and the ones that get you killed, well there are times when you are a couple seconds away from potting and then you can shield up for survival, but even in that case... is better to die! the SF will save your *** and you will have time to pot then.

Use threatening rush/lungin strike to dodge and move faster, invest ALL your money in movement (nothing lower than Dark 9s in utility slot and movement artifacts + the wine of the event gives you extra 10% movement speed) and if you are not conqueror and you are running a tanky build, get yourself GG set, 10% movement more, at 20% extra movement you will be as fast as rogues, the only problem will be our animation, those are way too slow, if Devs fix that instead of what they're fixing, spedding up our cleave and encounters... GF would be the best class of the game.

lazaroth666

My main char is a DC, I wanted to try something different so I started to play a GWF, it was really fun in the beginning but it gets boring when you realize how stupid easy is to play it, I'm usually close to 50 kills in GG PvP or 25-30 kills in pug pvp and even though this does no mean anything since GG/pug pvp is full of low GS players you can feel how easy is to kill 1 player with just a single combo, there's no challenge or real skill involved. Also when doing DPS is so lame that most of your damage comes ONLY from Deep Gash which is ridiculous because I remember this:

Originally Posted by lordgallen
Part of the thing with Foresight is that it's associated feat is too good. Feats are generally not intended to double the effectiveness of things, but that's pretty much what it does.

Devs want/wanted to reduce extra 6% DR that you get from Benefit of Foresight because it's too much but a feat like Deep Gash that grant you millions in damage is ok, that makes a lot of sense. Remove Deep Gash from any GWF and his DPS will be terrible.

Now, I wanted to try a GF because I want a challenge plus I'm expecting that they will receive some love sooner or later but unfortunately I start to think about CN/VT and the usefulness of this class, why would someone prefer a GF over another class in these dungeons when you can add another much more useful.