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Mark of Potency too Expensive for New Players
lucidproph3cy
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I have my brother playing this game for the first time and i am just now realizing the cost it is to make his character ready for "End Game." I was also thinking about the prior to the module if i wanted to make an enchantment or runestone it took me about 10 preservation wards and i had a rank seven. So roughly it would cost me about 50k which i still think it rather expensive especially since you need to fill 12 slots, armor, rings, etc. The cost prior to patch for me was 600k in astral diamonds which definitely isn't easy to come by being a new player.
Now lets move on to post patch since it is require that you have 3 marks of potency's to create a rank 7 you have to spend at least 75k plus the preservation wards that my be lost. That's going to cost roughly 900k in ad to get your enchants ready. I don't see why the green lesser marks sells for 500 and then the blue at 25k which seems like a larger jump for me. I think the prices should be somewhere around 15k for the blue mark and 75k for the greater. There is a larger wall going from rank 5 to rank 7 that i think cryptic should look at and adjust the price at the vender.
I will agree that rank 8's are much cheaper than before. However my main concern is the rank 5-7 area.
What do you guys think?
Now lets move on to post patch since it is require that you have 3 marks of potency's to create a rank 7 you have to spend at least 75k plus the preservation wards that my be lost. That's going to cost roughly 900k in ad to get your enchants ready. I don't see why the green lesser marks sells for 500 and then the blue at 25k which seems like a larger jump for me. I think the prices should be somewhere around 15k for the blue mark and 75k for the greater. There is a larger wall going from rank 5 to rank 7 that i think cryptic should look at and adjust the price at the vender.
I will agree that rank 8's are much cheaper than before. However my main concern is the rank 5-7 area.
What do you guys think?
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your best bet is just to save up your money and buy a rank 7 from the auction house and leave it at that, you will save money and probably use the current system as little as you used the last one.
Spending diamonds should be more about getting something you want to make your game more enjoyable, like an impulse buy, and not a bottleneck! Don't misunderstand me, because something that makes the game easier is not necessarily the same as making it more enjoyable.
Rank 6 cost something between 20K-26K, so, instead of refining a level 5 into a 6 (25K Mark + Preservation ward(s) + Rank 5 + RP), just buy the level 6 enchantments directly. Even if you have the marks, it is better to save them to upgrade from 6 to 7 or just sell them and buy the enchantment directly.
Rank 8+ are much cheaper nowadays than before and this includes (most) weapon/armor enhancents as well.
I feel your pain bro
So doesn't this go against the purpose of the refinement system if all we are doing is buying the next rank and selling our previous rank until we reach the acceptable level. Aren't we suppose to be leveling them ourselves? So the refinement system does need to be reduced for the marks.
When it first came out, I emptied my bags and was glad. Now they're full again with stuff I've refined but can't upgrade. The only saving grace is the cost to de-socket, but they've made that up with marks.
I took more than a month to start getting epic enchants, if you want a easy game just because its your brother...
Its a shame.
I think everything is easier now, and buy is cheaper?
So everyone that sells tons of R7 is dumb?
Omg, these kids complaining.
The way the NWO CEO was explaining it in his Upgrading vs Refining post, there was no mention of such a huge increase of the required AD. It must be fortuitous then. A side effect, sort of. Could have been the other way round.
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Now the other side.
I had to buy marks for upgrading all my R7s to 8, and 2 artifacts to epic and one greater to perfect, one normal to greater. I have quite a few useless stability&union marks, but my record from playing daily since module release is 2 blue marks of Power, one of Potency, 2 purple marks that go for 100K in WB which I used to upgrade a R8 to R9.
I had also to buy 40 green wards when they were on sale for these upgrades. On 2 chars, since module release, I got a single green ward from the 7 days coffer. No blue wards at all. Mostly peridots and rank 4s, so basically useless.
If I would wait for marks/wards from gameplay to upgrade my stuff... then I would be able to do that in MONTHS. During these months, the game population would have already moved on past that stage and I would be lagging behind badly, so you can see how waiting is not a solution.
In MMOs, you got to perform NOW, and not later, because new content brings more gear, more upgrades, more grind, so ideally you would need to be set for those when they release.
doubtful and here's why:
i started shadowmantle with some r7s on my main, one green artifact that i would always forget to trigger and i had no problem clearing the content. so this seasoned player didn't need to perform now considering there's still another few months yet before module 3 drops and in that time i'll have a combination of r7s and r8s over time. plenty of time to make AD over the next few months although i'm sure that whatever m3 brings, i'll already be fully capable of handling the content when it arrives.
but there's always going to be other players that have played longer than i have or have better gear than i have. and for me, that really has no bearing on getting the most enjoyment out of the game.
Before the module, I had all rank 7s. Now, I still have all rank 7s. Some are fully refined, but until I can afford to buy more marks and wards, they're still just rank 7s. I've gone broke upgrading several Armor/Weapon enchantments to normal, and two out of four artifacts to blue.
I've found zero blue marks to date, my DC, GF and TR all have rank 5 or 6s waiting to upgrade. Artifacts for the GF and DC are close to being ready to upgrade. I've upgraded one of the L4 enchants on my HR to level 5, the rest are ready to upgrade but I only have one green mark.
I've got one coalescent ward and a few preservation wards from coffers since module 2 went live, I primarily get peridots and more enchants from these.
I probably have a good 40 slots for inventory/bank space occupied by refinement related stuff for my DC, GF and TR.
I don't have enough AD to even be able to purchase the marks I require even if I wanted to. Besides I'd rather save AD for other things.
I found it cheaper to buy R6's then upgrade R5's. R6 costs less then 25k (blue mark price), plus you don't need to spend stuff to refine it and waste pres. wards.
Well... I can understand what you say. This is indeed enough... for a more casual play style. But when you run CN daily with people with R9-10s and perfects, or do PvP with people with 3 legendaries and so on... you're pressed to rise to a level of performance close to theirs... or they probably gonna run with someone better instead of you. It's just how things work in MMOs in the end, yeah we have Internet "friendships", but you cannot ask a lot from unknown people.
Can you clear content at rank 7? Of course.
Can you clear faster&more efficient with better gear? Of course.
This was what I was trying to say.
These marks are a serious blockage on the way of a casual player, that was unlucky enough to have rank 5s or less. Their supply is quite limited. It is a bit crazy we get 3 types of purple marks just by running lairs (this is a proper implementation, you play, you get the needed loot, all good), but must get blue marks from AH mostly, sometimes with crazy inflated prices.
The bottom line here is that the system is broken - if I can buy them cheaper on the AH then I can make them why the hell would I make them? I was really stoked about refining when I first started playing. I guess I can probably make 200-300k on the rank 3 and 4's I've collected (almost 2000). So there's that!!
I do hope that Cryptic is looking into this. The costs and the drop rate for the Mark of Potency for the amount of refining that the stone is required for is way out of balance. I have so many level 5 rune stones that are waiting for an upgrade to 6 because I cannot afford the Marks of Potency's that are required. To refine from a 6 to a 7 or a 7 to an 8 are ridicules as well. You must have another rune stone of the same kind and the same rank plus the marks of potency's in order to refine up.
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You should consider yourself extremely lucky then. I have three toons with full sharadar and dread ring booned that does that daily's and I rarely get blue marks. Even more rare are marks of potency I have been playing a lot since the module and only have gotten three blue marks of potency total. So it isn't rng screwed. It's just that they have a bad rng to begin with. I do get more blue marks of power/ utility then potency.
Farm dungeons:
Okay, lets try to get anyone to let you in on any epic run when you don't have anything good to start with.
do surveys:
you spend maybe days with very little result if at all, personally last time I tried this method It disqualified me EVERY survey I tried, no luck there. ( and trust me im not the only one with this kinda luck) not to mention the junk and spam youll get in an email account from the nonsense
do the dailies sure this works, maybe. depends on whether or not you got hours on end to do everything. but still not enough.
average Rank 8 is what 300K,. I think thats about a month of dailies.
do gauntigrym farming:
During USA daytime, forget PUG for PVP, que will never *que*, and any time i try a dungeon run. ques forever ,, maybe one run in, and typically no real result aside from the coins.
so from someone whos still on a basic mount, mostly rank 6 enchants, and only gauntigrym gear thats about as good as it has gotten for me in this game.
Quite discouraging huh?
So, it's not just enchantments trust me.
personally, i think as long as new players have realistic expectations based on what kind of player they are, there won't be any problems with them acquiring blue marks. we can hope that the gods are listening to us asking for better blue drops, but stranger things have happened (mimic companions).
I fully agree. There are all kinda of players. I just don't want new players to get discouraged. If they increase the drop rate on them would definitely solve the problem. But who know they need to increase the drop rate on a lot of things. I definitely don't mind the new system does need some tinkering with. I hope they are looking into it.