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Re-specializing needs to be cheaper. Waaaaay cheaper.
draekus
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Every other MMO I play has cheap respecs (it's only 3sp in Guild Wars 2 for crying out loud). It encourages a lot of things. Especially the want to have different suits of gear/weapons/trinkets and that means more money for Cryptic. I know this game is greedy. All PWE games are but for gods sake make respec dirt cheap. I don't know about anyone else but every time I stop playing NW it's because it's too damned expensive to respec my character. Whether it's cash or AD earned in game to buy a respec token it's always a huge setback.
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Personally I'd like to see dual-spec, even if it cost you zen to get the feature for a character.
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I think the feat only respec could be cheaper, about 2/3 of the price, the full respec feels ok to me though. At 500:1 a full respec is only 150k ad and that's not bad at all.
We're really far away from the prices of the refinment system. I, for instance, get 5 to 10 times less reagents than I need to keep up with the amount of refinment points I loot every day. And I have yet to get a winning roll on a greater mark of potency. As soon as you start using the refinment system, your wallet and your [redacted] will start bleeding. And I'm not talking about 100k ADs a month.
Yeah, I'm ok with full respec too, but still, only feats respec should be cheaper.
And how exactly do you find that one good build if you don't experiment? Often the build you use while leveling doesn't match your lvl 60 needs and usually games pride on their depth and the ways you can customize your character, experimentation is essential but this game makes a very good job to take your options a way, personally i see it as a method to extort money from you.
Still with the prices in this game i don't think PWE knows what market testing is.
Really? Extortion?
So...umm why then do they have a whole shard where you can copy over your character, as many times as you like. And experiment to your hearts content without paying a cent?
Sure, id like to see something a bit better, and on the live shard. Something akin to CO's powerhouse, for making and testing builds. The preview shard is not perfect, or the best answer. But to accuse them of limiting options, intentionally, to extort money from the players is also grossly unfair.
Everything is available for free, if you're willing to wait long enough, but priced high enough in time terms to make paying money for it more desirable.
Also, diogene0, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you play a lot, and at a fairly highly-geared level? because 100+ thousand ADs a day is not typical. Hell, it's over four times the refine cap for a single character. Plus at that point in the game you don't NEED respecs because you've played long enough to have a good understanding of what works for you.
If you're a freshly dinged 60 who realises that what worked for levelling is terribad in epics, you're largely S.O.L. unless you want to blow your savings on a respec.
I wasn't aware of this PTR but yes, i recently started playing again because of some friends but when i quit this was the reason, i felt like i had no choice, like my options were limited by the insane, at that time unreachable, respec cost.
Also at that time (early beta) it felt like the game needed more feedback and the purpose should have been to encourage new builds and experimentation to properly balance classes, not cripple it.
If indeed i'm unfair about this then tell me how does this ridiculous respec cost enhance the game or makes it more engaging for the player?
You completely missed the point, reading guides that tell you step by step what to choose doesn't make you a good player and it has nothing to do with this topic. The whole point is to experiment with new ideas, see how they work for you and your stat choice and not to mention you have to compensate for the ambiguity of the tooltips in this game. If someone thinks that stacking recovery on gear cause it would make a nice combo with A, B, C feats and X, Y, Z powers it doesn't mean he's a bad player.
Anyway this is about price on respecs. Respecs are too damned high!
or you would prefer free respec, but buying every new dungeon that comes out for zen, or having to buy paragon paths, or having to pay zen so u can equip the new purple gear u just got ?
Not true, you can go to any zone and fight monsters. If you want to enter an Epic dungeon you will probably need to organize your team since the preview shard population is small.
Use Advanced Combat Tracker to compare results of different builds. Note that the log file for preview shard is in a different location than the one for live.
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If you like the game, don't be afraid of putting a small amount of cash into the system. An epic mount off the Zen store for instance, that can be used across all characters, opening up a couple of extra characters and MAYBE a bag or two. You get two characters per token you purchase so it's a good value and the bags can be moved around between characters.
At any rate... being a casual player myself, I was constantly worried about the cost to respec when I was building my CW. Eventually, I just said screw it, picked the path I wanted based on my play style and what I wanted to do in game and never looked back. I realize, as a casual, I'm never going to have top enchants, maxed level artifacts etc. So, stop worrying about max damage and having the "perfect" build and just pick what best suits your style. You should have picked up a free re-spec when module 2 hit, and if you weren't around then, or already used it, I'm sure you'll get another with the next big release, and by that time, you will have a better idea of what works and how you want to tweak your build.
Id just like to point out, that they have listened to feedback. And reduced the cost of a respec nearly in half. The original cost was 500 Zen. They did a permanent markdown shortly after launch to the current 300 Zen.
They have also given out free respecs 3 times in the 6 months from launch. Granted, these are due to major balance and powers changes as the game matures. But basically 1 freebie every other month is hardly stingy or money grubbing.
At most 150k is 7 days worth of work from refining. Do your dailies from rhix and the lord protector. That is the most it could be. Hit your refining cap. Not to mention it's never actually been 150k as that's a worst case scenario because the zen exchange hasn't actually hit the 500:1 cap in the games history.
Also, work on getting Leadership built up, and 150k AD won't seem like such a large amount. You can even do this outside of the game, from any computer/smartphone a couple times a day.
Yeah poor PWE, we're talking about probably the only game which sells a mount for 200$ and somehow you think they don't have any options regarding monetization? i mean they sell even peanut surveys! And this is the only option? either it's respecs or content restrictions? or selling power? which btw it's a "how not to design F2P 101" separating the paying customers from the F2P ones would actually decrease their income.
This exactly, its not perfect, but Cryptic is obviously listening. The recent drop in companion prices across the board is proof enough. There are still a few areas of annoyance. That I would love to see addressed, eventually. But respec costs really arn't one of them. In my opinion they are priced reasonable, and they have been more then fair with free handouts when appropriate.
Well...unless the playerbase as a collective entity stops spending on the items/services in question. That is the only real power you players have. Vote with your wallets. Don't like the cost? Don't buy. Get a lot of people to not buy.
Sadly, that will likely never happen. Too many children with mommy or daddy's bank account.
I've never come close to the refining cap, ever, even when using leadership heavily and playing for two or three hours.
If I had that attitude I wouldn't have opened my mouth in the first place. The squeaky wheel gets oiled. As 'customers' we're powerless directly, however. Should we be loud enough to be heard then perhaps some good can come of it. No one complaining (or agreeing) so far strikes me as someone who just wants to complain. Good reasons have been posted in this thread for why this aspect of gameplay is too expensive and needs to be adjusted. I'm surprised, to be honest, that some of you even go so far as to defend what is, I think, a ripoff. Or a very sly way to price something some of us, many of us, like to do. Which is changing character builds. Not always just to test things but also for fun.
I understand as well that some players are willing to go through extra trouble to see damage numbers by using things like ACT. To me it's ridiculous to think I should have to go through third party apps or other silly means just to see if my build idea is pushing the limits. For one I don't need that. Two, I don't want it. I want to be playing the game and having fun trying different builds on the fly. Please don't argue that it isn't intended. It is intended but at a steep price and that's the main complaint.
I find this to be an inconsiderate statement. One could easily argue that doing so is A. A serious amount of daily game time to commit and B. Probably a very boring and non-fun way to play.
Once you hit level 60, you lose skirmish dailies and gain Gauntylgrym ones. You also gain Lord Protector dailies, which rotate one per day and pay double. Daily Dungeon is always Dread Vault - nobody does it.
That said, daily quests pay rough AD. I can hit my refining cap a lot of days from Leadership, invoking, and salvaging the odd bound items from the Dread Ring campaign lairs. So I don't do any dailies unless I want to.
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