As easy as it is to be good. Pugs will be pugs. We could hand feed them strats builds and gear and they will find something to complain about
try and look up angelic gloves or other blue items with tons of regen and deflect they are by no means cheap you morons!
the way you guys see it is hey these guys are doing great in pvp, this one cleric was really hard to play.
yes their will always be a small margin that really excel at a class, but to use them as a picture of how the class really fairs in pvp is downright stupid.
the fact is cleric is the weakeast class their is so far, and the only reason people still play it, is because their are no other options for healers so their is nothing better.
40% reduction on all healing? yea thats smart, so your saying its to hard for you dps classes to take a pvp specc that reduces healing done and use cc tacticaly insted of you just spamming them and winning by default. no you have to have the other players penalized when they join otherwise its unfair.
the poll has been on the forums a million times everytime the cleric got voted to the weakest class. so stop talking all the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that you just need tons of gear and skill and a good premade then you will kick ***, all classes does that!
If u don't have gear either pve and earn it or buy it with zen. Don't complain on forums about it
U R 2 E Z- SENT IV GWF undefeated 16k GS
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
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TY for the answer, I'll see where to put off all of it. To my 1st replyer, Mehguy138, "if you want to say something to somebody, why you put them on ignore if you know you right. And who said i'm not good, I never end at the bottom of the summery in all the games, Such players should rather stick to solo games and call themself names, and maybe put themself on ignore.
End of story They the biggest nubs.
try and look up angelic gloves or other blue items with tons of regen and deflect they are by no means cheap you morons!
Try and look up other PvP items for TR/ GWF/ GF. You will see it is cheap compared to them.
And that's another proof about how unexperienced you are in this game, if you compare the angelic gloves price to the cleric's T2 gloves you will see what i'm talking about.
It is cheaper, no matter how much you wanna twist it around. ( didn't know that 120,000 AD is expensive lmao. You can get 200,000+ from salvaging seal items from drake NPC)
the way you guys see it is hey these guys are doing great in pvp, this one cleric was really hard to play.
yes their will always be a small margin that really excel at a class, but to use them as a picture of how the class really fairs in pvp is downright stupid.
So basically, you are saying he is good because he excel at the class. Which means, that you don't excel at the class because?
He is a human being, just like you. If you can't do what he does, then the problem is in YOU not in the class.
the fact is cleric is the weakeast class their is so far, and the only reason people still play it, is because their are no other options for healers so their is nothing better.
Your opinion ≠ Facts.
My opinion it is the easiest to play with. I have a cleric myself, and i know the class capabilities.
Besides, every single class need to get some defensive stats to survive PvP. That goes for TRs/CWs/GWFs/GFs. They can spec for damage but they wouldnt survive that long.
Some people even spec their DCs for DPS, but it isn't viable when it comes to premade vs premade.
40% reduction on all healing? yea thats smart, so your saying its to hard for you dps classes to take a pvp specc that reduces healing done and use cc tacticaly insted of you just spamming them and winning by default. no you have to have the other players penalized when they join otherwise its unfair.
A good DC with functional shift key and divine sun burst, can counter most of CC. Not to mention the half ling's racial ( 10% CC resist). So yeah, they can counter CC unless it is a lockon CC ( CW's CC) which is hard to escape from.
Watch the videos i linked, i'm not even sure what are you arguing about.
the poll has been on the forums a million times everytime the cleric got voted to the weakest class. so stop talking all the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that you just need tons of gear and skill and a good premade then you will kick ***, all classes does that!
Because in case you didn't notice, people on forums prefers to complain than adapting.
For example:
We have tons of threads saying TR is OP, which is wrong.
We have tons of threads saying GWF cant be killed, which is wrong.
We have tons of threads saying GF is most OP class in the world, which is wrong.
If you are going to listen to the whiners instead of listen to the experienced players, then you are no different from the whining rivers contributors .
( And you still need to make DC before you start talking about them, from what i read, you don't have one). Cheers!
Try and look up other PvP items for TR/ GWF/ GF. You will see it is cheap compared to them.
And that's another proof about how unexperienced you are in this game, if you compare the angelic gloves price to the cleric's T2 gloves you will see what i'm talking about.
It is cheaper, no matter how much you wanna twist it around. ( didn't know that 120,000 AD is expensive lmao. You can get 200,000+ from salvaging seal items from drake NPC)
So basically, you are saying he is good because he excel at the class. Which means, that you don't excel at the class because?
He is a human being, just like you. If you can't do what he does, then the problem is in YOU not in the class.
Your opinion ≠ Facts.
My opinion it is the easiest to play with. I have a cleric myself, and i know the class capabilities.
Besides, every single class need to get some defensive stats to survive PvP. That goes for TRs/CWs/GWFs/GFs. They can spec for damage but they wouldnt survive that long.
Some people even spec their DCs for DPS, but it isn't viable when it comes to premade vs premade.
So yes, DC is viable.
A good DC with functional shift key and divine sun burst, can counter most of CC. Not to mention the half ling's racial ( 10% CC resist). So yeah, they can counter CC unless it is a lockon CC ( CW's CC) which is hard to escape from.
Watch the videos i linked, i'm not even sure what are you arguing about.
If GCTRL can do it, anyone can do it.
Because in case you didn't notice, people on forums prefers to complain than adapting.
For example:
We have tons of threads saying TR is OP, which is wrong.
We have tons of threads saying GWF cant be killed, which is wrong.
We have tons of threads saying GF is most OP class in the world, which is wrong.
If you are going to listen to the whiners instead of listen to the experienced players, then you are no different from the whining rivers contributors .
( And you still need to make DC before you start talking about them, from what i read, you don't have one). Cheers!
As true as all of this is. A lot of ppl put in no effort and complain that people that play all the time have overpowered gear and/or an unfair advantage. No matter what class they are everything is op and not fair so we should just disregard all the work we did to get better and nerf it to pug level so the lazy people/ people who don't financially support pwe can fight "evenly". The lack of intelligence of this games playerase becomes bewildering sometimes
U R 2 E Z- SENT IV GWF undefeated 16k GS
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
try and look up angelic gloves or other blue items with tons of regen and deflect they are by no means cheap you morons!
the way you guys see it is hey these guys are doing great in pvp, this one cleric was really hard to play.
yes their will always be a small margin that really excel at a class, but to use them as a picture of how the class really fairs in pvp is downright stupid.
the fact is cleric is the weakeast class their is so far, and the only reason people still play it, is because their are no other options for healers so their is nothing better.
40% reduction on all healing? yea thats smart, so your saying its to hard for you dps classes to take a pvp specc that reduces healing done and use cc tacticaly insted of you just spamming them and winning by default. no you have to have the other players penalized when they join otherwise its unfair.
the poll has been on the forums a million times everytime the cleric got voted to the weakest class. so stop talking all the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that you just need tons of gear and skill and a good premade then you will kick ***, all classes does that!
Yes. Everyone knows the DC needs a buff.
However, I can name 10 almost unkillable DC's without even thinking, and if I try hard I can think of probably 10 more.
DC's...are the hardest class to play in this game hands down. Only a fool would say otherwise. They are extremely skill dependant, build and gear dependant. Are other class's this dependant? No, not at the mediocre casual level.
My DC has an 11k GS, with rank 5's and 6's, and a not so special build, oriented for PvE healing. Against random pugs, I heal the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> out of my team, and some would say I'm unkillable. Because I have a higher level of skill playing, then most casual pugs. Now going up against geared players and premades, my DC is completely outmatched, 1.)because I lack the skill to be elite with my DC as I don't play him anymore, and 2.)he is not built, nor geared for PvP. I know this, and I accept this. If I want to make my DC better in PvP, I need to change his build, and his gear. NOT, come on the forums, and tell everyone how terrible I think DC's are, and how OP /insert every class here, is in PvP.
yes their will always be a small margin that really excel at a class, but to use them as a picture of how the class really fairs in pvp is downright stupid.
. Which is true, however, you are doing the same thing when it comes to geared players vs not geared players. Most people in this game, are NOT geared for PvP, and lack the skill to be in the top tier of PvP. The people you complain about you may see a couple times in 30 matches. Yes you may get unlucky and get in the same rotation of Q'ing as certain players, but then you simply wait...Then Q.
I'll say it again. A decently geared, moderate skilled player, with a defensive build, will excel in PvP against normal players. If this is you, and you are losing. It is because THE CLASS IS HARD TO PLAY, and you need more practice. It doesn't mean the class is broken.
Here is one of my first videos, with my first character in Neverwinter, my DC. Nothing special, moderate skill with the class, moderate gear, and I do just fine...against normal players.
I apologize for the shakiness at times in the video, compliments of my combat tours and I cant really help it, was a particularly bad day
Bottom line here dude.
If you are a casual player with insane gear, or normal gear that PvP's "sometimes"., You are going to get crushed more often then not, by people who do nothing but PvP..and for obvious reasons. If that makes you upset, then you don't understand normal logic, and probably shouldn't PvP.
However, I can name 10 almost unkillable DC's without even thinking, and if I try hard I can think of probably 10 more.
DC's...are the hardest class to play in this game hands down. Only a fool would say otherwise. They are extremely skill dependant, build and gear dependant. Are other class's this dependant? No, not at the mediocre casual level.
My DC has an 11k GS, with rank 5's and 6's, and a not so special build, oriented for PvE healing. Against random pugs, I heal the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> out of my team, and some would say I'm unkillable. Because I have a higher level of skill playing, then most casual pugs. Now going up against geared players and premades, my DC is completely outmatched, 1.)because I lack the skill to be elite with my DC as I don't play him anymore, and 2.)he is not built, nor geared for PvP. I know this, and I accept this. If I want to make my DC better in PvP, I need to change his build, and his gear. NOT, come on the forums, and tell everyone how terrible I think DC's are, and how OP /insert every class here, is in PvP.
You said it yourself . Which is true, however, you are doing the same thing when it comes to geared players vs not geared players. Most people in this game, are NOT geared for PvP, and lack the skill to be in the top tier of PvP. The people you complain about you may see a couple times in 30 matches. Yes you may get unlucky and get in the same rotation of Q'ing as certain players, but then you simply wait...Then Q.
I'll say it again. A decently geared, moderate skilled player, with a defensive build, will excel in PvP against normal players. If this is you, and you are losing. It is because THE CLASS IS HARD TO PLAY, and you need more practice. It doesn't mean the class is broken.
Here is one of my first videos, with my first character in Neverwinter, my DC. Nothing special, moderate skill with the class, moderate gear, and I do just fine...against normal players.
I apologize for the shakiness at times in the video, compliments of my combat tours and I cant really help it, was a particularly bad day
Bottom line here dude.
If you are a casual player with insane gear, or normal gear that PvP's "sometimes"., You are going to get crushed more often then not, by people who do nothing but PvP..and for obvious reasons. If that makes you upset, then you don't understand normal logic, and probably shouldn't PvP.
Cw requires the most skill hands down. We can name 15+ good dcs. There's only 1 truly skilled cw on the entire game
U R 2 E Z- SENT IV GWF undefeated 16k GS
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Its harder to be a good CW in PvE..then it is to be a DC.
Its harder to be a good DC in PvP..then it is to be a CW.
I know lots of very good CW's..
I hope I don't get closed for names but. I would love to see a cw compete with alt. I really don't think its possible. We tried out 8 diferent max geared cws against him in premades to no sucess
U R 2 E Z- SENT IV GWF undefeated 16k GS
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
This thread on overall PVP balance seems to have shifted toward the cleric, so I'd like to throw in my two cents.
What confuses me most about Neverwinter is the fact that burst healing is virtually nonexistent in a game that features tons of burst damage in both PVE and PVP. In either case, party members are typically at 100% health or dead with very little in between. It's nice we get DR buffs, but I've seen players get two-shot while standing in AS too many times to count. Assuming I see that first shot coming, the only tools I have to save them are a divine healing word immediately after the first attack (which isn't always viable), Divine Armor (a DAILY that doesn't provide nearly enough temps when you consider powers like SE, Ice Knife, or even Crescendo with vorpal - but the DR is nice), or divine sunburst (assuming the target isn't CC immune and you actually have the spare divinity). Factor in righteousness in the DC's case and it just gets silly. This paradigm SHOULD change a bit on the 5th with exhalation being added to our repertoire since the damage immunity will let our HoTs get the target back to full health.
The PVP community's attitude toward DC seems to be "GCTRL clone or GTFO!" This attitude is understandable considering how much stronger the build becomes on the 5th (exhault + anointed armor + easy regen from artifacts = <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> heals won't hurt your ability to support as much). While I have nothing against that particular build, its pervasiveness does make cleric PVP pretty one dimensional. I might even be joining the ranks of the GCTRL army soon at this rate, but I'd rather see mechanics that make multiple cleric styles (even DPS!) effective at high level premade PVP.
This thread on overall PVP balance seems to have shifted toward the cleric, so I'd like to throw in my two cents.
What confuses me most about Neverwinter is the fact that burst healing is virtually nonexistent in a game that features tons of burst damage in both PVE and PVP. In either case, party members are typically at 100% health or dead with very little in between. It's nice we get DR buffs, but I've seen players get two-shot while standing in AS too many times to count. Assuming I see that first shot coming, the only tools I have to save them are a divine healing word immediately after the first attack (which isn't always viable), Divine Armor (a DAILY that doesn't provide nearly enough temps when you consider powers like SE, Ice Knife, or even Crescendo with vorpal - but the DR is nice), or divine sunburst (assuming the target isn't CC immune and you actually have the spare divinity). Factor in righteousness in the DC's case and it just gets silly. This paradigm SHOULD change a bit on the 5th with exhalation being added to our repertoire since the damage immunity will let our HoTs get the target back to full health.
The PVP community's attitude toward DC seems to be "GCTRL clone or GTFO!" This attitude is understandable considering how much stronger the build becomes on the 5th (exhault + anointed armor + easy regen from artifacts = <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> heals won't your ability to support as much). While I have nothing against that particular build, its pervasiveness does make cleric PVP pretty one dimensional. I might might even be joining the ranks of the GCTRL army soon at this rate, but I'd rather see mechanics that make multiple cleric styles (even DPS!) effective at high level premade PVP.
Every class is prety restricted for top tier premades. Only 1 or 2. Builds u can run. With module 2 maybe we can see some more diverse playstyles
U R 2 E Z- SENT IV GWF undefeated 16k GS
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Variety is the spice of life and sadly this game has little to no variety.
Every class has 2 builds pretty much used by 90 % of the pvp community.
I totally agree. I enjoyed a different build and did quite well with it on Alysin. But in end game, I was forced to change as a TR if I wanted to be competitive.
I was really hoping for something cool with this new paragon path. I think this new "path" is not a path at all. Its a couple more abilities, completely lazy, terrible and a giant slap in our faces as far as I'm concerned. Its not a PATH. Its a couple abilities, that mind you take away already existing abilities when chosen.
If they wanted to be this lazy, they should have just added in these new abilities to our existing Paragon Paths until they were ready to actually make a new Path.
Adding these abilities into what we have now, would make for a much more interesting, and diverse way of building characters.
And I'm sorry but..just switching GWF's and GF's Paragon paths? Really? That's as far as Cryptic's creative minds could reach? I know the whole dd story behind it but who cares. I really cant believe they did that, if I was a gwf or gf I would be pi$$ed...
I definetly agree there is a total lack of imagination or effort on PW / Cryptics part to do anything meaningful with the game.
This game could be a very successful subscription based game that would bring in alot of money if they chose that route, but by binding to a subscription model..things like exploits and duping would have to be fixed immediately before even going live.
it would require developer time and commitment and longer testing and community involvement.
Neverwinter could be an amazing game...
Breaks my heart that it's falling apart slowly.... like a fish out of water...even after a server merge it's already gasping for air.
..and December 5th and the Ranger will be just a temporary resolve...
DC's...are the hardest class to play in this game hands down. Only a fool would say otherwise. They are extremely skill dependant, build and gear dependant. Are other class's this dependant? No, not at the mediocre casual level.
Only a fool would think that, people who thinks that DC is harder to player than a TR who needs to time his skills or a GWF who needs to aim his CC or a GF who need to make sure he is facing the attacks inorder to block them, are fools.
IF you really want to judge on a class's playstyle/ difficulty to play compared to others. Then you need TO TRY IT YOURSELF.
Apparently, you never tried to play DC in competetive PvP or against hard players. It is very easy compared to what other classes are required to do.
If you think otherwise, then that's fine. But don't come and call others " fools" for disagreeing with you.
And btw, i play DC for PvE aswell. It is the easiest class i have ever played so far.
I definetly agree there is a total lack of imagination or effort on PW / Cryptics part to do anything meaningful with the game.
This game could be a very successful subscription based game that would bring in alot of money if they chose that route, but by binding to a subscription model..things like exploits and duping would have to be fixed immediately before even going live.
it would require developer time and commitment and longer testing and community involvement.
Neverwinter could be an amazing game...
Breaks my heart that it's falling apart slowly.... like a fish out of water...even after a server merge it's already gasping for air.
..and December 5th and the Ranger will be just a temporary resolve...
Like a band-aid on a stab wound.
Yah don't get me wrong. I love playing this game, and will continue to play.
But..I would assume many of you are like me, and for me..with mmo's. I am continually chasing the dragon. My dragon of course is EQ 1. In my mind no game will ever be as good, for me the pvp and raids were unmatched in any game ever. Customer support was beyond amazing, GM RAN events, gm's actually raided with us, to test game encounters at the "Live" level. There was none of this "bug" <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that went on for months. People reported bugs, and they got handled like now style... At the beginning we didn't have PvP tournaments. Us PvP'rs arose and said hey..give us a tournament. Guess what Blizzard did? Gave us a f'ing GM sponsored yearly tournament. The Best of the Best. Server tourneys, and server wide tourneys!
I like this game. But they are doing nothing to keep the player base they have, and the attempt at bringing new players in by introducing new zen store <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> just isn't cutting it.
Like many of you, I am anxiously awaiting ESO and Wildstar.
Yah don't get me wrong. I love playing this game, and will continue to play.
But..I would assume many of you are like me, and for me..with mmo's. I am continually chasing the dragon. My dragon of course is EQ 1. In my mind no game will ever be as good, for me the pvp and raids were unmatched in any game ever. Customer support was beyond amazing, GM RAN events, gm's actually raided with us, to test game encounters at the "Live" level. There was none of this "bug" <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that went on for months. People reported bugs, and they got handled like now style... At the beginning we didn't have PvP tournaments. Us PvP'rs arose and said hey..give us a tournament. Guess what Blizzard did? Gave us a f'ing GM sponsored yearly tournament. The Best of the Best. Server tourneys, and server wide tourneys!
I like this game. But they are doing nothing to keep the player base they have, and the attempt at bringing new players in by introducing new zen store <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> just isn't cutting it.
Like many of you, I am anxiously awaiting ESO and Wildstar.
I am sure you ment SOE..not Blizzard and Best of the Best and Test of Tactics.. I remember them well...Participated in both.
14 years as a Necromancer in EQ1 and just left in April...
We both are truly trying to find the same thing then. Neverwinter has the capability of becoming it, but sadly, it never will.
Only a fool would think that, people who thinks that DC is harder to player than a TR who needs to time his skills or a GWF who needs to aim his CC or a GF who need to make sure he is facing the attacks inorder to block them, are fools.
IF you really want to judge on a class's playstyle/ difficulty to play compared to others. Then you need TO TRY IT YOURSELF.
Apparently, you never tried to play DC in competetive PvP or against hard players. It is very easy compared to what other classes are required to do.
If you think otherwise, then that's fine. But don't come and call others " fools" for disagreeing with you.
And btw, i play DC for PvE aswell. It is the easiest class i have ever played so far.
hahaha, I almost just spit my coffee out on my screen Esteena! Thx for that
My opinion is just that dude..bring'r down a notch
I personally believe, that to be an ELITE DC...It was very hard, compared to other class's.
I have tried all the class's btw, I'm not some random scrub who just started yesterday.
I play a TR as my main, and to say its HARD is...../snicker Sure to be very good yah its hard. But so is every game when you put it like that. Nothing in this game is hard at all. PvE is a snoozefest and so is PvP. We have no diminishing returns, everyone just spams all their abilities and CC's the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> out of everything and bam..stuff dies.
GF making sure he faces attacks to block is hard? Lol, turning your wrist left and right =hard? I love it
Nothing in this game is hard.... I can roll my face across the keyboard as 4 out of 5 of my classes and get 3 kills on the opening rush to 2.
Let's look at the word " Skill " when it comes to this game.
There is no skill in pvp.
End of story.
This game is a button mashing snoozefest ..as long as you mash your buttons in a decent combo order, you will come out successful. If your ping is better than someone else's, your ability hits first and they are on the defensive.
Only skill I have found in this game is the theory crafting and character building. Some people just know how to match feats with abilities and powers and maximize returns more so than others in game.
keltz0r, Blessing, xSynergy, Scroto is good examples...
I rolled a Sent GWF and I cant offer any specific players as being skillful in the class because now I see how that build operates..you can fall asleep on a node and the feats do the defensive work for you.
The problem is the gear differential that is becoming more and more evident.
The cost of equiping a toon to full power for pvp is costing a HUGE amount of AD/time. Even factoring in spending money for AD to cut the time is still too much. People are not enjoying getting face stomped in PVP when they first join. Even when they get some r5s and full pvp set or equivalent the disparity in gear is making a lot of folks toss in the towel. Nothing like getting smashed for 20k and then listening to the kids say you suck and you need skill. Actually I chuckle but that is me...
It doesn't matter what class, pvp can be fun when on equal footing.
Nothing like getting in a good pug match and it comes down to the wire. Same in premade vs premade.
I have tried all the class's btw, I'm not some random scrub who just started yesterday.
Tried is something, fucntioning them is something else.
You main TR, you don't main DC. I main DC/TR/GWF. See the difference? i have 3 different sets on DC and i know what to use depending on what situation.
Only a fool would think that, people who thinks that DC is harder to player than a TR who needs to time his skills or a GWF who needs to aim his CC or a GF who need to make sure he is facing the attacks inorder to block them, are fools.
IF you really want to judge on a class's playstyle/ difficulty to play compared to others. Then you need TO TRY IT YOURSELF.
Apparently, you never tried to play DC in competetive PvP or against hard players. It is very easy compared to what other classes are required to do.
If you think otherwise, then that's fine. But don't come and call others " fools" for disagreeing with you.
And btw, i play DC for PvE aswell. It is the easiest class i have ever played so far.
Dude gf and gwf are my mains and there is almost no skill involved unless its like a gf vs gf1v1. Its either u can play a fighter or not there is no this gf or gwf is better if same gear top tier. Almost anyone could roll a gwf and do good
U R 2 E Z- SENT IV GWF undefeated 16k GS
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Actually for a GF, I found picking what to block and what to not block is the challenge. When playing vs others, their goal is to eat your shield. If you save your shield for the CC, you can avoid that. My GF isn't high enough to get briarthorn yet for his armor. That's my goal in making a reflect GF. I can understand the need to be able to block. Deft strike from a TR flips them behind you. if you're fast and good, you can block the strike anyways. I know I've done it a bunch of times to TRs who tried to deft > dazing. I block both then beat on them, 2 swings, block as they do the lashing, then continue to beat on them.
Just saying.. it does have some potential skill requirement.
Dude gf and gwf are my mains and there is almost no skill involved unless its like a gf vs gf1v1. Its either u can play a fighter or not there is no this gf or gwf is better if same gear top tier. Almost anyone could roll a gwf and do good
Almost anyone can use AS+ sun burst + healing word aswell to cap a point. tsk.
Actually for a GF, I found picking what to block and what to not block is the challenge. When playing vs others, their goal is to eat your shield. If you save your shield for the CC, you can avoid that. My GF isn't high enough to get briarthorn yet for his armor. That's my goal in making a reflect GF. I can understand the need to be able to block. Deft strike from a TR flips them behind you. if you're fast and good, you can block the strike anyways. I know I've done it a bunch of times to TRs who tried to deft > dazing. I block both then beat on them, 2 swings, block as they do the lashing, then continue to beat on them.
Just saying.. it does have some potential skill requirement.
For skill it goes cw-tr-dc-gf-gwf for rotations and premades. The more mobile your role is the more skill involved basicaly
U R 2 E Z- SENT IV GWF undefeated 16k GS
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
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try and look up angelic gloves or other blue items with tons of regen and deflect they are by no means cheap you morons!
the way you guys see it is hey these guys are doing great in pvp, this one cleric was really hard to play.
yes their will always be a small margin that really excel at a class, but to use them as a picture of how the class really fairs in pvp is downright stupid.
the fact is cleric is the weakeast class their is so far, and the only reason people still play it, is because their are no other options for healers so their is nothing better.
40% reduction on all healing? yea thats smart, so your saying its to hard for you dps classes to take a pvp specc that reduces healing done and use cc tacticaly insted of you just spamming them and winning by default. no you have to have the other players penalized when they join otherwise its unfair.
the poll has been on the forums a million times everytime the cleric got voted to the weakest class. so stop talking all the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that you just need tons of gear and skill and a good premade then you will kick ***, all classes does that!
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
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TY for the answer, I'll see where to put off all of it. To my 1st replyer, Mehguy138, "if you want to say something to somebody, why you put them on ignore if you know you right. And who said i'm not good, I never end at the bottom of the summery in all the games, Such players should rather stick to solo games and call themself names, and maybe put themself on ignore.
End of story They the biggest nubs.
Try and look up other PvP items for TR/ GWF/ GF. You will see it is cheap compared to them.
And that's another proof about how unexperienced you are in this game, if you compare the angelic gloves price to the cleric's T2 gloves you will see what i'm talking about.
It is cheaper, no matter how much you wanna twist it around. ( didn't know that 120,000 AD is expensive lmao. You can get 200,000+ from salvaging seal items from drake NPC)
So basically, you are saying he is good because he excel at the class. Which means, that you don't excel at the class because?
He is a human being, just like you. If you can't do what he does, then the problem is in YOU not in the class.
Your opinion ≠ Facts.
My opinion it is the easiest to play with. I have a cleric myself, and i know the class capabilities.
Besides, every single class need to get some defensive stats to survive PvP. That goes for TRs/CWs/GWFs/GFs. They can spec for damage but they wouldnt survive that long.
Some people even spec their DCs for DPS, but it isn't viable when it comes to premade vs premade.
So yes, DC is viable.
A good DC with functional shift key and divine sun burst, can counter most of CC. Not to mention the half ling's racial ( 10% CC resist). So yeah, they can counter CC unless it is a lockon CC ( CW's CC) which is hard to escape from.
Watch the videos i linked, i'm not even sure what are you arguing about.
If GCTRL can do it, anyone can do it.
Because in case you didn't notice, people on forums prefers to complain than adapting.
For example:
We have tons of threads saying TR is OP, which is wrong.
We have tons of threads saying GWF cant be killed, which is wrong.
We have tons of threads saying GF is most OP class in the world, which is wrong.
If you are going to listen to the whiners instead of listen to the experienced players, then you are no different from the whining rivers contributors
( And you still need to make DC before you start talking about them, from what i read, you don't have one). Cheers!
As true as all of this is. A lot of ppl put in no effort and complain that people that play all the time have overpowered gear and/or an unfair advantage. No matter what class they are everything is op and not fair so we should just disregard all the work we did to get better and nerf it to pug level so the lazy people/ people who don't financially support pwe can fight "evenly". The lack of intelligence of this games playerase becomes bewildering sometimes
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
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Yes. Everyone knows the DC needs a buff.
However, I can name 10 almost unkillable DC's without even thinking, and if I try hard I can think of probably 10 more.
DC's...are the hardest class to play in this game hands down. Only a fool would say otherwise. They are extremely skill dependant, build and gear dependant. Are other class's this dependant? No, not at the mediocre casual level.
My DC has an 11k GS, with rank 5's and 6's, and a not so special build, oriented for PvE healing. Against random pugs, I heal the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> out of my team, and some would say I'm unkillable. Because I have a higher level of skill playing, then most casual pugs. Now going up against geared players and premades, my DC is completely outmatched, 1.)because I lack the skill to be elite with my DC as I don't play him anymore, and 2.)he is not built, nor geared for PvP. I know this, and I accept this. If I want to make my DC better in PvP, I need to change his build, and his gear. NOT, come on the forums, and tell everyone how terrible I think DC's are, and how OP /insert every class here, is in PvP.
You said it yourself . Which is true, however, you are doing the same thing when it comes to geared players vs not geared players. Most people in this game, are NOT geared for PvP, and lack the skill to be in the top tier of PvP. The people you complain about you may see a couple times in 30 matches. Yes you may get unlucky and get in the same rotation of Q'ing as certain players, but then you simply wait...Then Q.
I'll say it again. A decently geared, moderate skilled player, with a defensive build, will excel in PvP against normal players. If this is you, and you are losing. It is because THE CLASS IS HARD TO PLAY, and you need more practice. It doesn't mean the class is broken.
Here is one of my first videos, with my first character in Neverwinter, my DC. Nothing special, moderate skill with the class, moderate gear, and I do just fine...against normal players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6UAe5eh39U&feature=player_detailpage
I apologize for the shakiness at times in the video, compliments of my combat tours and I cant really help it, was a particularly bad day
Bottom line here dude.
If you are a casual player with insane gear, or normal gear that PvP's "sometimes"., You are going to get crushed more often then not, by people who do nothing but PvP..and for obvious reasons. If that makes you upset, then you don't understand normal logic, and probably shouldn't PvP.
Cw requires the most skill hands down. We can name 15+ good dcs. There's only 1 truly skilled cw on the entire game
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I disagree.
Its harder to be a good CW in PvE..then it is to be a DC.
Its harder to be a good DC in PvP..then it is to be a CW.
I know lots of very good CW's..
I hope I don't get closed for names but. I would love to see a cw compete with alt. I really don't think its possible. We tried out 8 diferent max geared cws against him in premades to no sucess
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
What confuses me most about Neverwinter is the fact that burst healing is virtually nonexistent in a game that features tons of burst damage in both PVE and PVP. In either case, party members are typically at 100% health or dead with very little in between. It's nice we get DR buffs, but I've seen players get two-shot while standing in AS too many times to count. Assuming I see that first shot coming, the only tools I have to save them are a divine healing word immediately after the first attack (which isn't always viable), Divine Armor (a DAILY that doesn't provide nearly enough temps when you consider powers like SE, Ice Knife, or even Crescendo with vorpal - but the DR is nice), or divine sunburst (assuming the target isn't CC immune and you actually have the spare divinity). Factor in righteousness in the DC's case and it just gets silly. This paradigm SHOULD change a bit on the 5th with exhalation being added to our repertoire since the damage immunity will let our HoTs get the target back to full health.
The PVP community's attitude toward DC seems to be "GCTRL clone or GTFO!" This attitude is understandable considering how much stronger the build becomes on the 5th (exhault + anointed armor + easy regen from artifacts = <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> heals won't hurt your ability to support as much). While I have nothing against that particular build, its pervasiveness does make cleric PVP pretty one dimensional. I might even be joining the ranks of the GCTRL army soon at this rate, but I'd rather see mechanics that make multiple cleric styles (even DPS!) effective at high level premade PVP.
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Every class is prety restricted for top tier premades. Only 1 or 2. Builds u can run. With module 2 maybe we can see some more diverse playstyles
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
We agree on something.
Variety is the spice of life and sadly this game has little to no variety.
Every class has 2 builds pretty much used by 90 % of the pvp community.
I totally agree. I enjoyed a different build and did quite well with it on Alysin. But in end game, I was forced to change as a TR if I wanted to be competitive.
I was really hoping for something cool with this new paragon path. I think this new "path" is not a path at all. Its a couple more abilities, completely lazy, terrible and a giant slap in our faces as far as I'm concerned. Its not a PATH. Its a couple abilities, that mind you take away already existing abilities when chosen.
If they wanted to be this lazy, they should have just added in these new abilities to our existing Paragon Paths until they were ready to actually make a new Path.
Adding these abilities into what we have now, would make for a much more interesting, and diverse way of building characters.
And I'm sorry but..just switching GWF's and GF's Paragon paths? Really? That's as far as Cryptic's creative minds could reach? I know the whole dd story behind it but who cares. I really cant believe they did that, if I was a gwf or gf I would be pi$$ed...
I definetly agree there is a total lack of imagination or effort on PW / Cryptics part to do anything meaningful with the game.
This game could be a very successful subscription based game that would bring in alot of money if they chose that route, but by binding to a subscription model..things like exploits and duping would have to be fixed immediately before even going live.
it would require developer time and commitment and longer testing and community involvement.
Neverwinter could be an amazing game...
Breaks my heart that it's falling apart slowly.... like a fish out of water...even after a server merge it's already gasping for air.
..and December 5th and the Ranger will be just a temporary resolve...
Like a band-aid on a stab wound.
You really need to check the new paragons.
Only a fool would think that, people who thinks that DC is harder to player than a TR who needs to time his skills or a GWF who needs to aim his CC or a GF who need to make sure he is facing the attacks inorder to block them, are fools.
IF you really want to judge on a class's playstyle/ difficulty to play compared to others. Then you need TO TRY IT YOURSELF.
Apparently, you never tried to play DC in competetive PvP or against hard players. It is very easy compared to what other classes are required to do.
If you think otherwise, then that's fine. But don't come and call others " fools" for disagreeing with you.
And btw, i play DC for PvE aswell. It is the easiest class i have ever played so far.
Yah don't get me wrong. I love playing this game, and will continue to play.
But..I would assume many of you are like me, and for me..with mmo's. I am continually chasing the dragon. My dragon of course is EQ 1. In my mind no game will ever be as good, for me the pvp and raids were unmatched in any game ever. Customer support was beyond amazing, GM RAN events, gm's actually raided with us, to test game encounters at the "Live" level. There was none of this "bug" <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that went on for months. People reported bugs, and they got handled like now style... At the beginning we didn't have PvP tournaments. Us PvP'rs arose and said hey..give us a tournament. Guess what Blizzard did? Gave us a f'ing GM sponsored yearly tournament. The Best of the Best. Server tourneys, and server wide tourneys!
I like this game. But they are doing nothing to keep the player base they have, and the attempt at bringing new players in by introducing new zen store <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> just isn't cutting it.
Like many of you, I am anxiously awaiting ESO and Wildstar.
I am sure you ment SOE..not Blizzard and Best of the Best and Test of Tactics.. I remember them well...Participated in both.
14 years as a Necromancer in EQ1 and just left in April...
We both are truly trying to find the same thing then. Neverwinter has the capability of becoming it, but sadly, it never will.
hahaha, I almost just spit my coffee out on my screen Esteena! Thx for that
My opinion is just that dude..bring'r down a notch
I personally believe, that to be an ELITE DC...It was very hard, compared to other class's.
I have tried all the class's btw, I'm not some random scrub who just started yesterday.
I play a TR as my main, and to say its HARD is...../snicker Sure to be very good yah its hard. But so is every game when you put it like that. Nothing in this game is hard at all. PvE is a snoozefest and so is PvP. We have no diminishing returns, everyone just spams all their abilities and CC's the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> out of everything and bam..stuff dies.
GF making sure he faces attacks to block is hard? Lol, turning your wrist left and right =hard? I love it
Let's look at the word " Skill " when it comes to this game.
There is no skill in pvp.
End of story.
This game is a button mashing snoozefest ..as long as you mash your buttons in a decent combo order, you will come out successful. If your ping is better than someone else's, your ability hits first and they are on the defensive.
Only skill I have found in this game is the theory crafting and character building. Some people just know how to match feats with abilities and powers and maximize returns more so than others in game.
keltz0r, Blessing, xSynergy, Scroto is good examples...
I rolled a Sent GWF and I cant offer any specific players as being skillful in the class because now I see how that build operates..you can fall asleep on a node and the feats do the defensive work for you.
DC rocks in PVP. So does GWF/TR/CW/GF.
The problem is the gear differential that is becoming more and more evident.
The cost of equiping a toon to full power for pvp is costing a HUGE amount of AD/time. Even factoring in spending money for AD to cut the time is still too much. People are not enjoying getting face stomped in PVP when they first join. Even when they get some r5s and full pvp set or equivalent the disparity in gear is making a lot of folks toss in the towel. Nothing like getting smashed for 20k and then listening to the kids say you suck and you need skill. Actually I chuckle but that is me...
It doesn't matter what class, pvp can be fun when on equal footing.
Nothing like getting in a good pug match and it comes down to the wire. Same in premade vs premade.
Tissue?
(funny you always are spitting something when you read a post lol)
AS + sunburst AoE punting + Healing word + some deflect + some regen = hardcore player? hahahaha.
Tried is something, fucntioning them is something else.
You main TR, you don't main DC. I main DC/TR/GWF. See the difference? i have 3 different sets on DC and i know what to use depending on what situation.
Try doing that when you are surrounded by 3 enemies, i'm sure that's too easy compared to using divine sunburst every 5 seconds xD. /sarcasm
The topic is about difficulty to play DC in pvp, not sure why are you shifting it into a whole another topic about " how hard is PvP in general".
Dude gf and gwf are my mains and there is almost no skill involved unless its like a gf vs gf1v1. Its either u can play a fighter or not there is no this gf or gwf is better if same gear top tier. Almost anyone could roll a gwf and do good
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
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Just saying.. it does have some potential skill requirement.
Almost anyone can use AS+ sun burst + healing word aswell to cap a point. tsk.
Ping + timing
Not skill related.
Knowing when to block is skill related however.
Timing= skill.
If you can't time with good ping, you aren't skilled.
same goes for everyclass, if you use random rotation with random timing, you will screw up against good players.
This game's PvP is all about timing. Timing your dodge...timing your rotation... not sure how you do you find that not related to "skill".
I am starting to wonder if it is your goal to be argumentative with everyone on the forums.
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I can almost agree with that. Role playing a huge part.
Agreed for PvP. Though, occasionally, a strong GWF like Gannicus makes me double-take.