LOL another whiner about TR. GWF can't kill TR? You must be some kinda NUB! TR's Cloud Of Steel has been nerfed. Shocking Execution has been nerfed. Lurkers has been nerfed. Duelist Flurry has been nerfed. Heck even Sly Flourish has been nerfed. AND they can't jump and throw daggers no more. TRs are squishy. Have only 2 dodges (Not like CW) and ITC (4sec) and stealth (5 sec) for defense. You have unstoppable (fast cooldown with the right spec), fast gap closer (sprints), knockdowns and good damage (with right spec and gear). Can't kill TR? You're a joke.
Can't kill Rouge ,You who the joke lmao
Shocking Execution Didn't get nay type of nerf ,Check patch notice please =.=
Lmao you who kid
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The point of the TR is to win 1 on 1 fights. He's supposed to beat you, unless he slips up or you get lucky. I play a CW btw and I can beat badly played TRs and sometimes give the good ones a hard time if I can survive their initial rush. PvP isn't about fair fights between balanced classes. It's a 5v5 team sport. Get out of position and you'll suffer. Any class 2v1 on a TR will squash him.
Tr op in 1vs1 or 5vs5 ??
In 5vs5 his best land for kill steal with high damage ,1vs1 He wine GWF so much ,GWF don't have dodge like other factions ,Can't avoid first rush for TR at alll
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Error #1: Impact shot from stealth, breaks stealth
Error #2: TR is the slowest class to gain AP
I'm a TR, and i have gotten owned by every class in the game, even from a DC lol, and you dont see me asking for nerfs to other class or buff for TR, I just now that those guys im playing against, have better gear/enchantments than me.
Dc beat you ?? I don't think you Tr at all,Sorry but Tr got high action point gain I played with TR before i know what i'm talking about
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
LOL another whiner about TR. GWF can't kill TR? You must be some kinda NUB! TR's Cloud Of Steel has been nerfed. Shocking Execution has been nerfed. Lurkers has been nerfed. Duelist Flurry has been nerfed. Heck even Sly Flourish has been nerfed. AND they can't jump and throw daggers no more. TRs are squishy. Have only 2 dodges (Not like CW) and ITC (4sec) and stealth (5 sec) for defense. You have unstoppable (fast cooldown with the right spec), fast gap closer (sprints), knockdowns and good damage (with right spec and gear). Can't kill TR? You're a joke.
And if i'm nub ,My long cooldown encounters knockdown and Stun skills lmao won't work on immune dodge skills lmao,CW have 3 dodge only not 2 with skill give them immune with dodge
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
More anti TR complaints from PvP?
You're getting hit by impact shot twice. Once from stealth (3 stacks) and that breaks stealth unless they have Lurker's Assault up. Then a second hit. That's four stacks, you can't be hit four times in succession because IS only has three shots.
That being said, you're a GWF. You have multiple AoE attacks which not only hit TR's in stealth unless they have ItC up, but they also drain stealth rapidly. If you are dying consistently, try doing something different than what you have been doing. This applies to both in game and on the forum.
Man i Already tired Aoe stuff ,i know it work fine on showing TR But it will end
GWF Aoe skills weak damage with no control at all ,mean solve problem for 1 faction and reset eat you
On other hand i use Control knock down and Stun But no aoe at alll because that skills only give control with high damage
and point is GWF can't dodge like other faction or block either
only thing he can get is hitting and hitting while they hide
Man i Already tired Aoe stuff ,i know it work fine on showing TR But it will end
GWF Aoe skills weak damage with no control at all ,mean solve problem for 1 faction and reset eat you
On other hand i use Control knock down and Stun But no aoe at alll because that skills only give control with high damage
and point is GWF can't dodge like other faction or block either
only thing he can get is hitting and hitting while they hide
GF can't dodge, they have to block.
DC's can slide out of the way twice. TR's can dodge away up to three times. CW's can port 3-4 times.
GWF's can sprint out of the way frequently once you practice it, more often than any other class to avoid AoE attacks.
Even weak damage skills eat away at stealth, which rapidly depletes when damage is taken. There are trade-offs for builds and skills. It sounds like you're still working on finding combos that work for you. If you want high damage AND AoE, that's a CW. Your GWF needs to get hit and take damage to build determination, which makes you into a combat monster.
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
GF can't dodge, they have to block.
DC's can slide out of the way twice. TR's can dodge away up to three times. CW's can port 3-4 times.
GWF's can sprint out of the way frequently once you practice it, more often than any other class to avoid AoE attacks.
Even weak damage skills eat away at stealth, which rapidly depletes when damage is taken. There are trade-offs for builds and skills. It sounds like you're still working on finding combos that work for you. If you want high damage AND AoE, that's a CW. Your GWF needs to get hit and take damage to build determination, which makes you into a combat monster.
I like GWF But the point is If i got for Aoe stuff ,I will end so weak against other factions Like Cw because i can't control him down by this way
I know all about other factions Stuff with shift, But GF Can block first op Skill for TR if his back to wall ,Dc ,Cw got dodge shift which lead to avoid something like shocking execution But GWF All he can do is run and i run but still TR is fast and his skill go over my head with high damage
The only thing that really let OP TR is the ITC, because it allows the use of dive (strategy where the player with build tank absorbs damage from several enemies and quickly kill a specific enemy to make team fight more easier for other allies less resistant). In all games it requires a build focused on defense, but in NW can be used by TRs even though he be full dps.
The best solution: remove the CC immune of ITC without stealth. Then the rogues could not complain of being weaker. They just lose the ability to dive without the use of stealth.
I like GWF But the point is If i got for Aoe stuff ,I will end so weak against other factions Like Cw because i can't control him down by this way
I know all about other factions Stuff with shift, But GF Can block first op Skill for TR if his back to wall ,Dc ,Cw got dodge shift which lead to avoid something like shocking execution But GWF All he can do is run and i run but still TR is fast and his skill go over my head with high damage
I think you may be missing the main focus of the GWF, which is that almost every attack is an AoE. This is in sharp contrast to a TR which is all about single-target damage. Unless you're amazingly geared, you're not going to beat a TR at single-target damage. You will be able to outlast most other characters if you're building and using determination well, and you can do quite a bit of damage too.
I don't know how you're specced, but you might want to check out some of the other GWF builds in the Barracks Forum. GWF's are very solid in PvP unless they're undergeared or not well played.
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rragleMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2013
Correct me if I am wrong, ITC when stealthed first off brings you out of stealth, 2, you are immune to damage, not roots/snares?
Just curious, because when someone is immune to damage say like a GWF when they pop unstoppable, why do people hang about and continue to attack, when you see immune pop up when attacking a rogue (its spelt rogue not rouge) why continue to waste cooldowns?
No different to seeing someone who's soulforge has procced, why would you continue to try and damage then, you wouldn't, you would root if possible and wait for it to wear off.
Or does that sound to much like meta gaming for the simple folk who pvp for a daily?
Can't kill Rouge ,You who the joke lmao
Shocking Execution Didn't get nay type of nerf ,Check patch notice please =.=
Lmao you who kid
My <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> friend. Did you play from Beta? If you did, you would know that Shocking Execution was way more powerful. It has been nerfed Kiddo. You read the patch notes.
Can't kill Rouge ,You who the joke lmao
Shocking Execution Didn't get nay type of nerf ,Check patch notice please =.=
Lmao you who kid
SE has indeed been nerfed, and it was some time ago in response to PvP complaints - which weakened TR's considerably in PvE, but that doesn't seem to bother people who only care about their own experience in PvP.
As long as we're talking about TR nerfed, Sneak Attack was also nerfed considerably as it was originally a damage bonus but then charged to a speed bonus.
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marclovesvinaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 28Arc User
Really now ?? learn how to play against something i don't see
Or maybe something gain action point so fast to deal high damage skill like Shocking execution ??
Impact shot keep him in hide so he can keep spam me with ranged at-wills ,so funny
You're the one who need to learn to play. TR's have the slowest AP gain in the entire game. Their main source of AP is just dealing damage or the Bait and Switch dummy. You're stupid enough if you attack his dummy, he can get a bunch of AP. SE is freaking nerfed by a big amount and Shocking Execution is not really can "1-shot" you, it needs timing and precision. If a Rogue used Impact Shot on Stealth, you will be stunned but you can see him. Cloud of Steel have only 8 charges now.
A GWF whining on a TR when GWF is more OP than Rogue in PVP.
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marclovesvinaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 28Arc User
Maybe they not so geared as you think ,i play sentinel Build and all i can see is impact shoot 4 times and some immune
And after some action gain i see 19k over my head as crit from Shocking execution
How sad. A Sentinel GWF got owned by an ordinary TR.
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julianalz55Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 89Arc User
edited August 2013
Please stop using Google translate o.o, and SE got nerfed some time ago.
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kingculexMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Tr Highest Dps Pvp
Best build : Impact shoot ,Impossible to catch ,Lashing blade
(Wow stun and push back from hide) ,(Immune with dodge from hide ,awesome),(Almost been 1 hit ,nice)
Daily : Shocking Execution , Courage Breaker
(1 Hit daily for sure on High hp players ) ,( 90% Dmg decrease ,just wow )
At wills : Duelist's furry , cloud of steel
(nice immune and drag on players on 3rd hit with high dmg ), ( keep throw blades from hide with high dmg)
Beside high high deflect chance.
That the TR most op Weapon on Neverwinter
Why something like that on here ?? immune ,hide ,high dmg and high deflect
The point of something like that ??make people play Tr only ??
Another player who is crying for nerfs and only knows enough about TRs to spread misinformation. Guess this player does not know that it is highly probable major nerfs if they are done again will be done to every class again in the name of *balance* and not just TRs.
Encounters:
1. The stun in impact shot is very minor and most of the time does nothing. Smoke bomb and dazing strike are better at stunning. Impact shot breaks stealth. GWFs have better stunning abilities.
2. Impossible to catch kicks a TR out of stealth if the TR casts it while stealthed. The TR has to cast it and then stealth to become immune.
3. Lashing blade is high powered but TRs are suppose to do heavy damage to single opponents.
Daily:
1. Shocking execution does not 1 hit kill people and was nerfed in the first balancing patch NW.3.20130529d.6. "Shocking Execution: The base damage of this power has been reduced by 60%."
2. Courage Breaker does do a 90% decrease but it is a daily and requires action points to use. This means it takes time to build up the AP to cast it. It is not like Unstoppable in a GWF.
3. Lurker's Assault was nerfed from 60% damage bonus to 25% in the latest "balancing" patch NW.5.20130812b.8.
At wills:
1. A TR is not immune when using Duelist's flurry. Sometimes the TR is moved along with a player while using Duelist's Flurry. The bleed stack was capped or nerfed at a stack of 10 instead of being infinite in the current "balancing" patch. NW.5.20130812b.8
2. Cloud of steel was nerfed from 12 daggers to 8 in the latest "balancing" update.
A player who truly knows how to play a GWF can handle any TR easily. Players can use their GWF as tanks or dps fighters. TRs have very little defense and are made to just dps. The ability of a TR to out dps an enemies is their defense. Every class has its advantages and disadvantages. A sentinel GWF unable to kill a TR? WHAT!? Good players who plays as GWFs can take on 3 team members and still survive. A good player with a GWF is more op than a TR. There has to be something wrong with your build or your play style. I suggest you learn to play and stop whining on here. Actually, don't stop whining because it is rather funny. Continue crying for nerfs and watch as your class gets nerfed as well.
NOTE: Any player in any class can do heavy damage with the tenebrous enchantments. This means even a GWF can 1 hit or 2 hit people by stacking tenebrous enchantments. It is not a class issue.
Every class has advantages and disadvantages. Learn the disadvantages of you class to overcome them. Learn the advantages of your class and the disadvatages of other classes to use them in pvp to win.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
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kingculexMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
You're the one who need to learn to play. TR's have the slowest AP gain in the entire game. Their main source of AP is just dealing damage or the Bait and Switch dummy. You're stupid enough if you attack his dummy, he can get a bunch of AP. SE is freaking nerfed by a big amount and Shocking Execution is not really can "1-shot" you, it needs timing and precision. If a Rogue used Impact Shot on Stealth, you will be stunned but you can see him. Cloud of Steel have only 8 charges now.
A GWF whining on a TR when GWF is more OP than Rogue in PVP.
How sad. A Sentinel GWF got owned by an ordinary TR.
The GWF went full <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> when this thread was made. It is so obvious that it is a learn to play issue. GWFs are still very difficult to beat with the latest balancing patch.
Every class has advantages and disadvantages. Learn the disadvantages of you class to overcome them. Learn the advantages of your class and the disadvatages of other classes to use them in pvp to win.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
My <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> friend. Did you play from Beta? If you did, you would know that Shocking Execution was way more powerful. It has been nerfed Kiddo. You read the patch notes.
Didn't play beta ,But i remember in beta CW was one hit other people with millions of numbers ?? So they got nerfed too lmao
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Another player who is crying for nerfs and only knows enough about TRs to spread misinformation. Guess this player does not know that it is highly probable major nerfs if they are done again will be done to every class again in the name of *balance* and not just TRs.
Encounters:
1. The stun in impact shot is very minor and most of the time does nothing. Smoke bomb and dazing strike are better at stunning. Impact shot breaks stealth. GWFs have better stunning abilities.
2. Impossible to catch kicks a TR out of stealth if the TR casts it while stealthed. The TR has to cast it and then stealth to become immune.
3. Lashing blade is high powered but TRs are suppose to do heavy damage to single opponents.
Daily:
1. Shocking execution does not 1 hit kill people and was nerfed in the first balancing patch NW.3.20130529d.6. "Shocking Execution: The base damage of this power has been reduced by 60%."
2. Courage Breaker does do a 90% decrease but it is a daily and requires action points to use. This means it takes time to build up the AP to cast it. It is not like Unstoppable in a GWF.
3. Lurker's Assault was nerfed from 60% damage bonus to 25% in the latest "balancing" patch NW.5.20130812b.8.
At wills:
1. A TR is not immune when using Duelist's flurry. Sometimes the TR is moved along with a player while using Duelist's Flurry. The bleed stack was capped or nerfed at a stack of 10 instead of being infinite in the current "balancing" patch. NW.5.20130812b.8
2. Cloud of steel was nerfed from 12 daggers to 8 in the latest "balancing" update.
A player who truly knows how to play a GWF can handle any TR easily. Players can use their GWF as tanks or dps fighters. TRs have very little defense and are made to just dps. The ability of a TR to out dps an enemies is their defense. Every class has its advantages and disadvantages. A sentinel GWF unable to kill a TR? WHAT!? Good players who plays as GWFs can take on 3 team members and still survive. A good player with a GWF is more op than a TR. There has to be something wrong with your build or your play style. I suggest you learn to play and stop whining on here. Actually, don't stop whining because it is rather funny. Continue crying for nerfs and watch as your class gets nerfed as well.
NOTE: Any player in any class can do heavy damage with the tenebrous enchantments. This means even a GWF can 1 hit or 2 hit people by stacking tenebrous enchantments. It is not a class issue.
Look let's talk for real,Beta Neverwinter was unbalanced at all ,CW was 1 hit like TR
So CW,TR,other factions get nerfed that was needed
GWF is high cooldown Encounters Skill not that fast like other faction ,He got low control in fact he got stun or knock down which if spend on Immune Tr ,GWF no other skills
While TR got dodge in less case but GWF can run which not help if TR got his ranged blades skill around ,Even GF can smash GWF easily because knock back ,down ,drag skills etc
So dont' talk about GWF Got no block or dodge to avoid stuff like ranged like other =.=
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The GWF went full <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> when this thread was made. It is so obvious that it is a learn to play issue. GWFs are still very difficult to beat with the latest balancing patch.
Maybe it difficult for factions that not hit him with 10k Damage crit iwth lashing blade or using Shocking execution when GWF got his heath to half that mean shocking hitting with 18-20k crit which lead to one hide ,that can happen easily when GWF can't get TR out of his hide spam with shadow
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
How sad. A Sentinel GWF got owned by an ordinary TR.
Yep that bad ,I can't see TR who use shadow to spam his long hide skill ,while using cloud of steel on me and when his Daily ready and i'm on my half heath i get 18-20k Crit by it =.=
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
You're the one who need to learn to play. TR's have the slowest AP gain in the entire game. Their main source of AP is just dealing damage or the Bait and Switch dummy. You're stupid enough if you attack his dummy, he can get a bunch of AP. SE is freaking nerfed by a big amount and Shocking Execution is not really can "1-shot" you, it needs timing and precision. If a Rogue used Impact Shot on Stealth, you will be stunned but you can see him. Cloud of Steel have only 8 charges now.
A GWF whining on a TR when GWF is more OP than Rogue in PVP.
Let see i got 27k Hp when i'm dropped to half like or more like 17 to 18k hp left ,TR use shocking on me which lead in normal case 18-20k crit ,isn't that called 1 hit ??
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ggyuMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
SE has indeed been nerfed, and it was some time ago in response to PvP complaints - which weakened TR's considerably in PvE, but that doesn't seem to bother people who only care about their own experience in PvP.
As long as we're talking about TR nerfed, Sneak Attack was also nerfed considerably as it was originally a damage bonus but then charged to a speed bonus.
I agree but you know TR still can take down GWF easily from hide if there Shocking ready and GWF got 17k Hp left
So can a CW, GF, GWF, and even a DC. 17K HP isn't a whole lot at level 60 PvP.
It appears that your complaints about TR's are unfounded.
Let's talk for real ,Now When TR hide and use cloud of steel with 8 hits on you can bring your hp down to half or more than half so it can be 17 or 18k by shocking execution on GWF can take him 1 hit
I will tell you how every faction can do something against it except GWF
First TR Can hide to avoid it if some TR hide and try to use it on him
Cw can use shield to avoid the highest damage of it as possible
Dc can use under him the shield skills to avoid highest damage
GF got way higher damage res and maybe if he lucky he can take that skill above his shield
Agree me or not on that point
But after new patch feywild patch and who nerf to GWF deflect chance lead GWF to take the whole damage from skill ,I remember before that patch i notice that 85% higher chance to deflect it high damage But now it like 25%
Cryptic take down like 11 or 12 % deflect chance from us that what was make us tank abit against TR
So agree me on this point or not as you want but that what i see really
Let's talk for real ,Now When TR hide and use cloud of steel with 8 hits on you can bring your hp down to half or more than half so it can be 17 or 18k by shocking execution on GWF can take him 1 hit
I will tell you how every faction can do something against it except GWF
I'll try addressing this directly with you, although I suspect we may have a serious failure to communicate.
If you're allowing a TR to take all 8 shots at you without doing anything to respond it is completely on you unless you're already fighting other opponents and your teammates are useless. You have more HP than most DC's and all CW's, considerably more than most TR's and many Sentinel GWF's spec to have the highest HP in the game. If you're taking that much damage, you should have more than enough determination to pop unstoppable and go after the TR. Since any all and all GWF at-will powers WILL hit a TR in stealth and can quickly do enough damage to take them out and keep them out of stealth, this is very much a playstyle issue.
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kingculexMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Let see i got 27k Hp when i'm dropped to half like or more like 17 to 18k hp left ,TR use shocking on me which lead in normal case 18-20k crit ,isn't that called 1 hit ??
You are wrong again as usual. One hit kills are when a player can kill you at full health with only one hit. You first have to be injured for stuff like Shocking Execution to work properly. A GWF has abilities to make TRs come out of stealth and most players can follow trajectory to find where the TR is hiding. You simply need to improve your skills and are being pathetic by continuing to cry in the forums instead of practicing. Your complaints about TRs have no merit and your misinformation has been proven wrong.
Every class has advantages and disadvantages. Learn the disadvantages of you class to overcome them. Learn the advantages of your class and the disadvatages of other classes to use them in pvp to win.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
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kingculexMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Look let's talk for real,Beta Neverwinter was unbalanced at all ,CW was 1 hit like TR
So CW,TR,other factions get nerfed that was needed
GWF is high cooldown Encounters Skill not that fast like other faction ,He got low control in fact he got stun or knock down which if spend on Immune Tr ,GWF no other skills
While TR got dodge in less case but GWF can run which not help if TR got his ranged blades skill around ,Even GF can smash GWF easily because knock back ,down ,drag skills etc
So dont' talk about GWF Got no block or dodge to avoid stuff like ranged like other =.=
Ever heard of moving out of range or following the trajectory of the daggers to kill the TR? Cloud of Steel does not have the range a CW has in PVP. Just use unstoppable, stun the TR, and kill the TR. For real it is just that simple and every good GWF has figured out how to do it. You may also want to slot some silvery enchantments because they will boost recovery. Recovery will speed up recharge and your AP gain.
Every class has advantages and disadvantages. Learn the disadvantages of you class to overcome them. Learn the advantages of your class and the disadvatages of other classes to use them in pvp to win.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
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Can't kill Rouge ,You who the joke lmao
Shocking Execution Didn't get nay type of nerf ,Check patch notice please =.=
Lmao you who kid
Tr op in 1vs1 or 5vs5 ??
In 5vs5 his best land for kill steal with high damage ,1vs1 He wine GWF so much ,GWF don't have dodge like other factions ,Can't avoid first rush for TR at alll
Dc beat you ?? I don't think you Tr at all,Sorry but Tr got high action point gain I played with TR before i know what i'm talking about
And if i'm nub ,My long cooldown encounters knockdown and Stun skills lmao won't work on immune dodge skills lmao,CW have 3 dodge only not 2 with skill give them immune with dodge
Man i Already tired Aoe stuff ,i know it work fine on showing TR But it will end
GWF Aoe skills weak damage with no control at all ,mean solve problem for 1 faction and reset eat you
On other hand i use Control knock down and Stun But no aoe at alll because that skills only give control with high damage
and point is GWF can't dodge like other faction or block either
only thing he can get is hitting and hitting while they hide
GF can't dodge, they have to block.
DC's can slide out of the way twice. TR's can dodge away up to three times. CW's can port 3-4 times.
GWF's can sprint out of the way frequently once you practice it, more often than any other class to avoid AoE attacks.
Even weak damage skills eat away at stealth, which rapidly depletes when damage is taken. There are trade-offs for builds and skills. It sounds like you're still working on finding combos that work for you. If you want high damage AND AoE, that's a CW. Your GWF needs to get hit and take damage to build determination, which makes you into a combat monster.
I like GWF But the point is If i got for Aoe stuff ,I will end so weak against other factions Like Cw because i can't control him down by this way
I know all about other factions Stuff with shift, But GF Can block first op Skill for TR if his back to wall ,Dc ,Cw got dodge shift which lead to avoid something like shocking execution But GWF All he can do is run and i run but still TR is fast and his skill go over my head with high damage
The best solution: remove the CC immune of ITC without stealth. Then the rogues could not complain of being weaker. They just lose the ability to dive without the use of stealth.
I think you may be missing the main focus of the GWF, which is that almost every attack is an AoE. This is in sharp contrast to a TR which is all about single-target damage. Unless you're amazingly geared, you're not going to beat a TR at single-target damage. You will be able to outlast most other characters if you're building and using determination well, and you can do quite a bit of damage too.
I don't know how you're specced, but you might want to check out some of the other GWF builds in the Barracks Forum. GWF's are very solid in PvP unless they're undergeared or not well played.
Just curious, because when someone is immune to damage say like a GWF when they pop unstoppable, why do people hang about and continue to attack, when you see immune pop up when attacking a rogue (its spelt rogue not rouge) why continue to waste cooldowns?
No different to seeing someone who's soulforge has procced, why would you continue to try and damage then, you wouldn't, you would root if possible and wait for it to wear off.
Or does that sound to much like meta gaming for the simple folk who pvp for a daily?
My <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> friend. Did you play from Beta? If you did, you would know that Shocking Execution was way more powerful. It has been nerfed Kiddo. You read the patch notes.
SE has indeed been nerfed, and it was some time ago in response to PvP complaints - which weakened TR's considerably in PvE, but that doesn't seem to bother people who only care about their own experience in PvP.
As long as we're talking about TR nerfed, Sneak Attack was also nerfed considerably as it was originally a damage bonus but then charged to a speed bonus.
You're the one who need to learn to play. TR's have the slowest AP gain in the entire game. Their main source of AP is just dealing damage or the Bait and Switch dummy. You're stupid enough if you attack his dummy, he can get a bunch of AP. SE is freaking nerfed by a big amount and Shocking Execution is not really can "1-shot" you, it needs timing and precision. If a Rogue used Impact Shot on Stealth, you will be stunned but you can see him. Cloud of Steel have only 8 charges now.
A GWF whining on a TR when GWF is more OP than Rogue in PVP.
Never go full <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> please.
How sad. A Sentinel GWF got owned by an ordinary TR.
Another player who is crying for nerfs and only knows enough about TRs to spread misinformation. Guess this player does not know that it is highly probable major nerfs if they are done again will be done to every class again in the name of *balance* and not just TRs.
Encounters:
1. The stun in impact shot is very minor and most of the time does nothing. Smoke bomb and dazing strike are better at stunning. Impact shot breaks stealth. GWFs have better stunning abilities.
2. Impossible to catch kicks a TR out of stealth if the TR casts it while stealthed. The TR has to cast it and then stealth to become immune.
3. Lashing blade is high powered but TRs are suppose to do heavy damage to single opponents.
Daily:
1. Shocking execution does not 1 hit kill people and was nerfed in the first balancing patch NW.3.20130529d.6. "Shocking Execution: The base damage of this power has been reduced by 60%."
2. Courage Breaker does do a 90% decrease but it is a daily and requires action points to use. This means it takes time to build up the AP to cast it. It is not like Unstoppable in a GWF.
3. Lurker's Assault was nerfed from 60% damage bonus to 25% in the latest "balancing" patch NW.5.20130812b.8.
At wills:
1. A TR is not immune when using Duelist's flurry. Sometimes the TR is moved along with a player while using Duelist's Flurry. The bleed stack was capped or nerfed at a stack of 10 instead of being infinite in the current "balancing" patch. NW.5.20130812b.8
2. Cloud of steel was nerfed from 12 daggers to 8 in the latest "balancing" update.
A player who truly knows how to play a GWF can handle any TR easily. Players can use their GWF as tanks or dps fighters. TRs have very little defense and are made to just dps. The ability of a TR to out dps an enemies is their defense. Every class has its advantages and disadvantages. A sentinel GWF unable to kill a TR? WHAT!? Good players who plays as GWFs can take on 3 team members and still survive. A good player with a GWF is more op than a TR. There has to be something wrong with your build or your play style. I suggest you learn to play and stop whining on here. Actually, don't stop whining because it is rather funny. Continue crying for nerfs and watch as your class gets nerfed as well.
NOTE: Any player in any class can do heavy damage with the tenebrous enchantments. This means even a GWF can 1 hit or 2 hit people by stacking tenebrous enchantments. It is not a class issue.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
The GWF went full <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> when this thread was made. It is so obvious that it is a learn to play issue. GWFs are still very difficult to beat with the latest balancing patch.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
Didn't play beta ,But i remember in beta CW was one hit other people with millions of numbers ?? So they got nerfed too lmao
Look let's talk for real,Beta Neverwinter was unbalanced at all ,CW was 1 hit like TR
So CW,TR,other factions get nerfed that was needed
GWF is high cooldown Encounters Skill not that fast like other faction ,He got low control in fact he got stun or knock down which if spend on Immune Tr ,GWF no other skills
While TR got dodge in less case but GWF can run which not help if TR got his ranged blades skill around ,Even GF can smash GWF easily because knock back ,down ,drag skills etc
So dont' talk about GWF Got no block or dodge to avoid stuff like ranged like other =.=
Maybe it difficult for factions that not hit him with 10k Damage crit iwth lashing blade or using Shocking execution when GWF got his heath to half that mean shocking hitting with 18-20k crit which lead to one hide ,that can happen easily when GWF can't get TR out of his hide spam with shadow
Yep that bad ,I can't see TR who use shadow to spam his long hide skill ,while using cloud of steel on me and when his Daily ready and i'm on my half heath i get 18-20k Crit by it =.=
Let see i got 27k Hp when i'm dropped to half like or more like 17 to 18k hp left ,TR use shocking on me which lead in normal case 18-20k crit ,isn't that called 1 hit ??
I agree but you know TR still can take down GWF easily from hide if there Shocking ready and GWF got 17k Hp left
So can a CW, GF, GWF, and even a DC. 17K HP isn't a whole lot at level 60 PvP.
It appears that your complaints about TR's are unfounded.
Let's talk for real ,Now When TR hide and use cloud of steel with 8 hits on you can bring your hp down to half or more than half so it can be 17 or 18k by shocking execution on GWF can take him 1 hit
I will tell you how every faction can do something against it except GWF
First TR Can hide to avoid it if some TR hide and try to use it on him
Cw can use shield to avoid the highest damage of it as possible
Dc can use under him the shield skills to avoid highest damage
GF got way higher damage res and maybe if he lucky he can take that skill above his shield
Agree me or not on that point
But after new patch feywild patch and who nerf to GWF deflect chance lead GWF to take the whole damage from skill ,I remember before that patch i notice that 85% higher chance to deflect it high damage But now it like 25%
Cryptic take down like 11 or 12 % deflect chance from us that what was make us tank abit against TR
So agree me on this point or not as you want but that what i see really
I'll try addressing this directly with you, although I suspect we may have a serious failure to communicate.
If you're allowing a TR to take all 8 shots at you without doing anything to respond it is completely on you unless you're already fighting other opponents and your teammates are useless. You have more HP than most DC's and all CW's, considerably more than most TR's and many Sentinel GWF's spec to have the highest HP in the game. If you're taking that much damage, you should have more than enough determination to pop unstoppable and go after the TR. Since any all and all GWF at-will powers WILL hit a TR in stealth and can quickly do enough damage to take them out and keep them out of stealth, this is very much a playstyle issue.
You are wrong again as usual. One hit kills are when a player can kill you at full health with only one hit. You first have to be injured for stuff like Shocking Execution to work properly. A GWF has abilities to make TRs come out of stealth and most players can follow trajectory to find where the TR is hiding. You simply need to improve your skills and are being pathetic by continuing to cry in the forums instead of practicing. Your complaints about TRs have no merit and your misinformation has been proven wrong.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
Ever heard of moving out of range or following the trajectory of the daggers to kill the TR? Cloud of Steel does not have the range a CW has in PVP. Just use unstoppable, stun the TR, and kill the TR. For real it is just that simple and every good GWF has figured out how to do it. You may also want to slot some silvery enchantments because they will boost recovery. Recovery will speed up recharge and your AP gain.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)