chelseacrafterMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2013
I hear ya Ranncore. I wasn't surprised they did that with the Nightmare mount boxes dropping like crazy. The best advice I can give anyone new to playing PWE games is...
1. expect nothing. You'll never be disappointed. When something works out it feels like Christmas.
2. only believe about 1/2 of what they tell you.
3. learn to read the PWE code... it's like the doctor with the 7" inch needle coming toward you saying "now you're going to feel a little pinch".
Have you guys gone into the game to see the mount? You can preview it at the stables.
It is TINY. TEENY TINY!
They never said they would never release another spider mount. However when I looked at the mount in the screenshots, as a Hero of the North purchaser, I was a little perturbed but when actually saw it in game it is TINY!
I really can't stress enough how tiny this thing is. It's probably not as long as a half-orc laying down. I'm honestly not bothered by it one bit.
Ah thanks for pointing that out. I wouldn't say that it's tiny, but it is smaller, is a reasonably similar model even though scaled down and looks very different with the reskin. It's just not at all similar enough to the hero spider and think that the ones complaining are over-reacting. You have your special mounts still, they're not devalued. Maybe some people were a bit weary after not actually knowing what it looked like (fair enough I guess), but I wouldn't expect no horses to be on offer if I bought the guardian pack... So calm down guys
Have you guys gone into the game to see the mount? You can preview it at the stables.
It is TINY. TEENY TINY!
They never said they would never release another spider mount. However when I looked at the mount in the screenshots, as a Hero of the North purchaser, I was a little perturbed but when actually saw it in game it is TINY!
I really can't stress enough how tiny this thing is. It's probably not as long as a half-orc laying down. I'm honestly not bothered by it one bit.
Any word on why it doesn't seem to be for sale anymore?
Have you guys gone into the game to see the mount? You can preview it at the stables.
It is TINY. TEENY TINY!
They never said they would never release another spider mount. However when I looked at the mount in the screenshots, as a Hero of the North purchaser, I was a little perturbed but when actually saw it in game it is TINY!
I really can't stress enough how tiny this thing is. It's probably not as long as a half-orc laying down. I'm honestly not bothered by it one bit.
Does this mean, it's suitable for dwarves and halflings?
How much AD does it cost? i still ride a 5g horse lol.. i dont mind if its a spider.. as long as the AD cost is pretty far away from the >499k AD on nightmares now
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acelisiaiaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited August 2013
Developers want loyalty from their paying customers ( ones who paid $200 and $70 for optional packs) then they should also give their customers/ gets who spend that kind of money a little loyalty in return. I also point out the same customers who buy optional packs for mounts are also those who buy box keys and are your bread and butter. Give us something special and unique only to us, or we and our money shall begin the exodus.
Not all spider mounts, just the exact same model and animations with a bit of a skin change?
...like just about every mount, ever, in MMOs? Why would any programmer not re-use animations/etc, for a mount that's generally the same shape?
(I could point out the ludicrousy extreme example, WoW - where they've eventually made a billion "different" dragon mounts, some of them common as heck, others the reward for dungeon challenges, others the reward for extreme raid challenges, others the reward for meta-achievements that can take 2+ years to complete. And they're reskins.)
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bpskibbenheimsMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 210Bounty Hunter
Have you guys gone into the game to see the mount? You can preview it at the stables.
It is TINY. TEENY TINY!
They never said they would never release another spider mount. However when I looked at the mount in the screenshots, as a Hero of the North purchaser, I was a little perturbed but when actually saw it in game it is TINY!
I really can't stress enough how tiny this thing is. It's probably not as long as a half-orc laying down. I'm honestly not bothered by it one bit.
Oh, great. So not only is the $200 spider arguably the best mount for pvp already but they released an even smaller and harder to target one (considering you can upgrade it to a 110% mount by spending more AD)?
At current when playing pvp I see the most spider mounted players slip past enemies without getting thrown off over any other mount by far. I really think that this is a factor that needs to be considered when releasing new mounts or making changes to current ones.
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
Have you guys gone into the game to see the mount? You can preview it at the stables.
It is TINY. TEENY TINY!
They never said they would never release another spider mount. However when I looked at the mount in the screenshots, as a Hero of the North purchaser, I was a little perturbed but when actually saw it in game it is TINY!
I really can't stress enough how tiny this thing is. It's probably not as long as a half-orc laying down. I'm honestly not bothered by it one bit.
I say this with all the respect in the world. Even if it is tiny, why did they decide to make a model of one already existing just mini size it. To put things into prescriptive, since the official launch of this game. Not counting (Soft Launch which was a month)
This is the first new item we get from opening lockboxes. Those items inside the lockboxes are supposed hold some rare unique item. What's the purpose of unlocking them, if I already have the mount. I am just missing the spider companion.
You have seen the Zen Store. They have everything there from dead ghost person who comes back to life to help you in your adventures, to the giant bear companion, etc. It seems like from numerous animals to pick one, why choose one that's already existing.
They could created a brand new one. One's that would make Hero of North Founders, want it. Now it just seems like a mini mount, what's the purpose behind opening a thousand of those or paying outrageous fees for it on AH. If I had already owned it.
It just seems they had a chance to unlock a cool never before seen monster and opted to go with mini spider mount instead. That's all I'm saying.
The new spider mount is in the Wondrous Bazaar, sold for (likely too many) diamonds.
The new lockbox mount is a stag.
Just A new tip:
New Spider Mount ISN'T RELEASED YET
Phase Spider, Can be bought at Trade Bar "Blue Spider Companion"
Aranae, Comes from the Lock Box "Purple Spider / Human Companion"
and Sylvan Stag, Comes from the Lock Box
The Spider mount with be about 2000 Trahmalune Bars... Not cheap, Think you get on average 10 in a box, so you have to open 200 Boxes to get it, The keys cost $1.25 in Zen, So that means to get the new spider mount, You must Spend: Approximately $250ish, or that worth of in-game money. So... The original pack, $200 for the Spider, The new spider, About $250 worth of in-game money, You are complaining why ? They are spending MORE and just getting a mount, Get real.
Is your next complaint going to be that there is not a "Mini" Inferno horse, An Uncommon Inferno Horse now at Trahmalune Bar Trader, So is it fair that they can now get a lower leveled version of the horse people spent a bunch of time / mone yto get ?
The Spider mount with be about 2000 Trahmalune Bars... Not cheap, Think you get on average 10 in a box, so you have to open 200 Boxes to get it, The keys cost $1.25 in Zen, So that means to get the new spider mount, You must Spend: Approximately $250ish, or that worth of in-game money. So... The original pack, $200 for the Spider, The new spider, About $250 worth of in-game money, You are complaining why ? They are spending MORE and just getting a mount, Get real.
New Spider Mount ISN'T RELEASED YET
Phase Spider, Can be bought at Trade Bar "Blue Spider Companion"
Aranae, Comes from the Lock Box "Purple Spider / Human Companion"
and Sylvan Stag, Comes from the Lock Box
The Spider mount with be about 2000 Trahmalune Bars... Not cheap, Think you get on average 10 in a box, so you have to open 200 Boxes to get it, The keys cost $1.25 in Zen, So that means to get the new spider mount, You must Spend: Approximately $250ish, or that worth of in-game money. So... The original pack, $200 for the Spider, The new spider, About $250 worth of in-game money, You are complaining why ? They are spending MORE and just getting a mount, Get real.
Is your next complaint going to be that there is not a "Mini" Inferno horse, An Uncommon Inferno Horse now at Trahmalune Bar Trader, So is it fair that they can now get a lower leveled version of the horse people spent a bunch of time / mone yto get ?
The problem is that is all just estimated. You pulled that number out of thin air, people need about 200 dollars or more in real game cash. The problem lays when this game before even the Zen Companions were placed in the marketplace. They promised content unlike any other. They said it would be unique.
I took them at their word for that. The problem is not, how many boxes they would have to open to obtain the pet. The problem is that they can even access it no matter the number they have to turn in. It was supposed to be an item limited to Hero of North. It was one of the features that taunted people who previewed buying it.
Its one, if not only key features for buying the promotion. They easily could have created dozens of different animals. Why pick a spider, even if its smaller. All you're doing is changing the model size and skin tone. At the end of the day, its still the same animal. In my humble point of view. It shouldn't be accessed at all.
I was under the impression, the entire promotion would cease to exist as soon as game went live. This is only game, I am aware of that boasts orders for pre orders offering all these nice and shiny products, and continues to sell it. I could handle that though. Passing off a new item, as new when its just a mini pet regardless of what person pays.
Is all part of the unique set of collections we were lead to believe that you could only obtain in the promotion. They come out with a new zen companion every month. Would it really been that hard instead to re-do an idea already done. Create a new mount.
They promised content unlike any other. They said it would be unique.
Many MMO players I've run across in other games, accept "spider, size A, with black texture and added armor plates" to be unique from "spider, size B, with gold texture, and less armor".
"Unique skins" is something that people collect and/or go out of their way to get. Even if it's a reskin of another thing.
(a "recolor", where there's no underlying detail change to the model, just the same texture with different colors, hasn't been considered to be as unique, though.)
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
Many MMO players I've run across in other games, accept "spider, size A, with black texture and added armor plates" to be unique from "spider, size B, with gold texture, and less armor".
"Unique skins" is something that people collect and/or go out of their way to get. Even if it's a reskin of another thing.
(a "recolor", where there's no underlying detail change to the model, just the same texture with different colors, hasn't been considered to be as unique, though.)
The problem is you interpreted unique to be meaning unique skin, size etc. If that's what they truly had thought was unique. They should have said so in express detail before buying the product. When you go to a store, you check out a product. It has every details listed on back of the box.
For now we had to interpret their unique companions, as not meaning unique in companion itself but the size, color. They didn't disclose this information. It's alright though. I bought Hero of North and new pack for the expansion. I am gong give pause next time they tell me to hurry up and order something before its out.
The problem with misleading customers, time and time again. (First on length of Hero of North Promotion) and that the (spider only accessed through promotion) that after a while, customers tend not to believe the next thing you say. No matter how truth it might be.
I will use caution when ordering from the future, if this is the typical reply, that we're expected to accept. It leaves every word they say open to interpenetration, "only for limited time" means "only size, skin color" limited time and limited time means other thing since promotion is still going on.
The problem is you interpreted unique to be meaning unique skin, size etc. If that's what they truly had thought was unique. They should have said so in express detail before buying the product. When you go to a store, you check out a product. It has every details listed on back of the box.
For now we had to interpret their unique companions, as not meaning unique in companion itself but the size, color. They didn't disclose this information. It's alright though. I bought Hero of North and new pack for the expansion. I am gong give pause next time they tell me to hurry up and order something before its out.
The problem with misleading customers, time and time again. (First on length of Hero of North Promotion) and that the (spider only accessed through promotion) that after a while, customers tend not to believe the next thing you say. No matter how truth it might be.
I will use caution when ordering from the future, if this is the typical reply, that we're expected to accept. It leaves every word they say open to interpenetration, "only for limited time" means "only size, skin color" limited time and limited time means other thing since promotion is still going on.
Never once did they state that the items in the HotN pack would be exclusive to those who purchased said pack. I can understand you being butt hurt over spending $200 on this game, but take the elitism exclusivity mentality somewhere else.
I have had this argument for months on the forums, some of my posts have been removed for no reason at all.
PWE need to seriously check up on what the word 'unique' actualy means (also refering to the claimed 2 million 'unique' players)
In open beta when the 'founders pack was launched is was clearly stated as being a 'unique'and exclusive pre launch pack and would NOT be available after 'live' launch, it was clearly stated you would have a 'unique' and exclusive spider mount and the wolf companion. and stated you would be one of the very few players in game with these mounts etc as there were 'unique' and exclusive to this pack.
Live launch came along and what happens, the exact same pack continues to be for sale, and is still for sale today, all they did was change the pack name to Hero of the North and remove the 'founders' title,
The newly named pack still contains the so called 'unique' spider mount and the same companion, in fact the whole pack is exaclly the same.
This to me means the whole hype and advertising in open beta about the founders pack and its 'unique' contents was a absolute and utter lie and missled 100's if not 1000's of players to buy a pack with the clear understanding that its contents would be 'unique' and unavailable after 'live' launch.
And now to add insult to injury they release another spider mount from vendors, although agree it is slightly smaller etc, but at end of day it is still based on the original so called 'uniqe' mount that the original founders had purchased.
Obviously they are probably making alot of money out of it, but to originaly offer somthing as rare and 'uniqe' at a certain cost in real money and also clearly state it would not be available after a certain date to then to release basicaly the same item later as a drop or purchasable from a vendor is just so wrong, deliberatly misleading players to buy items with totaly misleading and false advertising.
The same thing happened with the companion unbinding system, 'they' say it was never intened to be a working function, but why leave it in the game ?? it was loosly stated that it was a 'possiblity' it would be available, but now they say it was 'never' going to be a working funtion, just another very misleading part of the game which mislead 1000's players into buying companions with the exspectations of someday being able to 'unbind' them.
Pwe need to STOP using the word 'UNIQUE' until they do some serious checking up on its actual meaning
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
Never once did they state that the items in the HotN pack would be exclusive to those who purchased said pack. I can understand you being butt hurt over spending $200 on this game, but take the elitism exclusivity mentality somewhere else.
I'm not even going give you a decent reply. Throwing in elitism, has nothing in the world to do with it. It's about keeping their honest word. When they promised months after months that Hero of North would soon end promotion..was that elitism too of course it wasn't.
As soon as they kept on promotion. I can understand people like you who didn't buy the promotion are happy. However its larger then he bought the promotion, its larger then have and have not's. It's about a company marketing a promotion, promising months after months it would end soon.
Then making copy's of things in that promotion in smaller sizes, shapes. If you cannot see that is the real issue. Then you are blind. This has nothing do with. "I bought it, so I want no one else to own it" its going off companys own word the promotion would end soon and it didn't, on top of that they're re-selling items in promotions but at a different size. I will not continue to respond to you. If you sincerely believe this is "elitism" its not.
It's about trusting the company when they say something it happens, and when it doesn't, you felt mislead to hurry and buy a product. Hence misleading objective to get you buy things, even if they falsely say it will not soon to exist. perhaps you have another fancy word for lying to your customers as well.
So please take that "I'm upset you spent money and want you have nothing" somewhere else.
The problem is that is all just estimated. You pulled that number out of thin air, people need about 200 dollars or more in real game cash. The problem lays when this game before even the Zen Companions were placed in the marketplace. They promised content unlike any other. They said it would be unique.
I took them at their word for that. The problem is not, how many boxes they would have to open to obtain the pet. The problem is that they can even access it no matter the number they have to turn in. It was supposed to be an item limited to Hero of North. It was one of the features that taunted people who previewed buying it.
Its one, if not only key features for buying the promotion. They easily could have created dozens of different animals. Why pick a spider, even if its smaller. All you're doing is changing the model size and skin tone. At the end of the day, its still the same animal. In my humble point of view. It shouldn't be accessed at all.
I was under the impression, the entire promotion would cease to exist as soon as game went live. This is only game, I am aware of that boasts orders for pre orders offering all these nice and shiny products, and continues to sell it. I could handle that though. Passing off a new item, as new when its just a mini pet regardless of what person pays.
Is all part of the unique set of collections we were lead to believe that you could only obtain in the promotion. They come out with a new zen companion every month. Would it really been that hard instead to re-do an idea already done. Create a new mount.
The same reason other games offer a bazillion different types of horses or any other mount for that matter. The spider mount in the Hotn pack is exclusive to that pack, any other spider mount Cryptic wishes to create in their game is perfectly fine.
Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor.
~Sholom Aleichem
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deadlytalonMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The problem is that is all just estimated. You pulled that number out of thin air, people need about 200 dollars or more in real game cash. The problem lays when this game before even the Zen Companions were placed in the marketplace. They promised content unlike any other. They said it would be unique.
I took them at their word for that. The problem is not, how many boxes they would have to open to obtain the pet. The problem is that they can even access it no matter the number they have to turn in. It was supposed to be an item limited to Hero of North. It was one of the features that taunted people who previewed buying it.
Its one, if not only key features for buying the promotion. They easily could have created dozens of different animals. Why pick a spider, even if its smaller. All you're doing is changing the model size and skin tone. At the end of the day, its still the same animal. In my humble point of view. It shouldn't be accessed at all.
I was under the impression, the entire promotion would cease to exist as soon as game went live. This is only game, I am aware of that boasts orders for pre orders offering all these nice and shiny products, and continues to sell it. I could handle that though. Passing off a new item, as new when its just a mini pet regardless of what person pays.
Is all part of the unique set of collections we were lead to believe that you could only obtain in the promotion. They come out with a new zen companion every month. Would it really been that hard instead to re-do an idea already done. Create a new mount.
I can go buy the Hero of The North Pack, Get the Spider Mount, and alot more stuff, For the same price it would end up costing to get it in game, and thats not really estimated as have you seen the price of the other mounts in the bar trade ? They are the same price. So, The ones who are getting the spider mount, and not buying the pack, are suckers. Think, You got a WAY better deal.
I'm not even going give you a decent reply. Throwing in elitism, has nothing in the world to do with it. It's about keeping their honest word. When they promised months after months that Hero of North would soon end promotion..was that elitism too of course it wasn't.
As soon as they kept on promotion. I can understand people like you who didn't buy the promotion are happy. However its larger then he bought the promotion, its larger then have and have not's. It's about a company marketing a promotion, promising months after months it would end soon.
Then making copy's of things in that promotion in smaller sizes, shapes. If you cannot see that is the real issue. Then you are blind. This has nothing do with. "I bought it, so I want no one else to own it" its going off companys own word the promotion would end soon and it didn't, on top of that they're re-selling items in promotions but at a different size. I will not continue to respond to you. If you sincerely believe this is "elitism" its not.
It's about trusting the company when they say something it happens, and when it doesn't, you felt mislead to hurry and buy a product. Hence misleading objective to get you buy things, even if they falsely say it will not soon to exist. perhaps you have another fancy word for lying to your customers as well.
So please take that "I'm upset you spent money and want you have nothing" somewhere else.
This is just too easy to troll, so instead I will state once again. Never once did they state that the items in the packs would remain exclusive to only those that bought the pack.
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
I have had this argument for months on the forums, some of my posts have been removed for no reason at all.
PWE need to seriously check up on what the word 'unique' actualy means (also refering to the claimed 2 million 'unique' players)
In open beta when the 'founders pack was launched is was clearly stated as being a 'unique' pre launch pack and would NOT be available after 'live' launch, it was clearly stated you would have a 'unique' spider mount and the wolf companion. and stated you would be one of the very few players in game with these mounts etc as there were 'unique' to this pack.
Live launch came along and what happens, the exact same pack continues to be for sale, and is still for sale today, all they did was change the pack name to Hero of the North and remove the 'founders' title,
The newly named pack still contains the so called 'unique' spider mount and the same companion, in fact the whole pack is exaclly the same.
This to me means the whole hype and advertising in open beta about the founders pack and its 'unique' contents was a absolute and utter lie and missled 100's if not 1000's of players to buy a pack with the clear understanding that its contents would be 'unique' and unavailable after 'live' launch.
And now to add insult to injury they release another spider mount from vendors, although agree it is slightly smaller etc, but at end of day it is still based on the original so called 'uniqe' mount that the original founders had purchased.
Obviously they are probably making alot of money out of it, but to originaly offer somthing as rare and 'uniqe' at a certain cost in real money and also clearly state it would not be available after a certain date to then to release basicaly the same item later as a drop or purchasable from a vendor is just so wrong, deliberatly misleading players to buy items with totaly misleading and false advertising.
The same thing happened with the companion unbinding system, 'they' say it was never intened to be a working function, but why leave it in the game ?? it was loosly stated that it was a 'possiblity' it would be available, but now they say it was 'never' going to be a working funtion, just another very misleading part of the game which mislead 1000's players into buying companions with the exspectations of someday being able to 'unbind' them.
Pwe need to STOP using the word 'UNIQUE' until they do some serious checking up on its actual meaning
Before I log off. I am going quote something someone else has said. Someone who didn't buy the promotion but can see the misleading the customer base. No matter how badly you want misinpert unique as meaning, ..size..rather then actual content..or mismatch words. You cannot hide the truth from customer base and that is they were badly misnformed on length of Hero of North Promotion.
They tossed out words like unique, and limited time. Like it was going out of style. Then they sell products unique to a promotion expect its different because of size and shape, so that's supposed make everything alright. Anything I say will be repeating what this fine customer is already saying in his quote.
I'm not even going give you a decent reply. Throwing in elitism, has nothing in the world to do with it. It's about keeping their honest word. When they promised months after months that Hero of North would soon end promotion..was that elitism too of course it wasn't.
As soon as they kept on promotion. I can understand people like you who didn't buy the promotion are happy. However its larger then he bought the promotion, its larger then have and have not's. It's about a company marketing a promotion, promising months after months it would end soon.
Then making copy's of things in that promotion in smaller sizes, shapes. If you cannot see that is the real issue. Then you are blind. This has nothing do with. "I bought it, so I want no one else to own it" its going off companys own word the promotion would end soon and it didn't, on top of that they're re-selling items in promotions but at a different size. I will not continue to respond to you. If you sincerely believe this is "elitism" its not.
It's about trusting the company when they say something it happens, and when it doesn't, you felt mislead to hurry and buy a product. Hence misleading objective to get you buy things, even if they falsely say it will not soon to exist. perhaps you have another fancy word for lying to your customers as well.
So please take that "I'm upset you spent money and want you have nothing" somewhere else.
It does when you are trying to argue a point as stupid as this. I was told in writing that my spider mount in my HOTN pack was exclusive, now I see other players have the ability to purchase a mount which (Looks Similar) to the spider mount I use.
It looks Similar, it doesn't mean it is the same thing as the spider mount that comes with the HOTN pack. Arguing over the Similarities is pretty petty and very meaningless since Cryptic never stated they would never develop another spider mount for players to use.
Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor.
~Sholom Aleichem
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
It does when you are trying to argue a point as stupid as this. I was told in writing that my spider mount in my HOTN pack was exclusive, now I see other players have the ability to purchase a mount which (Looks Similar) to the spider mount I use.
It looks Similar, it doesn't mean it is the same thing as the spider mount that comes with the HOTN pack. Arguing over the Similarities is pretty petty and very meaningless since Cryptic never stated they would never develop another spider mount for players to use.
One last thing. First. It's not a stupid point. If you sincerely believe misleading or lying to the customer base months before the actual game came out about the length of the promotion for Hero of the North. There is no way to misinterpret that they lied through their teeth each and every time they said "Hero of North" was for a limited time only. There is no way to defend, each and every time they put a timer on the length of the promotion. It was all smoke and mirrors.
That's just one point, in a game less then a few months old. Already solid proof of them misleading customer base. There is no denying that at all. My second point. Just because you take a spider, exactly like a spider in a promotion. Simply change its size and skin tone. It's still a spider. It's still of the same animal you are riding.
If you think splashing on some new paint or making it smaller. Makes it completely different. Then you truly are lost. Fact is, yes its smaller, its skin tone is seperate. But it's still a spider. On a company that makes Zen store companions monthly. Everything from a dead ghost come back to life, to a bear, etc. You cannot tell me they couldn't made a mount.
It looks similar, because it is exactly the same. Its still a spider but changed speed, size. Its still a spider. I already laid out my case, many people agree with. You don't have to buy Hero of North to agree with me. All you need to agree, is that when company's say limited time, and unique etc. That's what it's supposed to mean.
Before we continue arguing "uniqueness" any further (commonly accepted MMO definition, vs. a handful of users definition), can someone who's actually seen the two spiders in detail clear something up?
Is it just a recolor (different texture), or are there some changes to the model? (Like, different armor details, etc)
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited August 2013
When I last looked, the mount had been removed from the store, so I'm not sure that anyone got around to buying one before that happened.
My problem with the OP's argument is that if you take it to its logical conclusion, there should be no other (armored) horse mounts in the game as well. Which is pretty flipping silly.
IIRC, the drow in the Forgotten Realms don't ride spiders. Spiders are revered! They ride giant lizards, last I checked.
Not that this is actually relevant to the thread in any way.
To be quite honest... I think you're right. Dinin Do'urden rode lizards! If that's the case... then it's simply a case of Drow renegade BLASPHEMY to ride upon sacred beasts!
One last thing. First. It's not a stupid point. If you sincerely believe misleading or lying to the customer base months before the actual game came out about the length of the promotion for Hero of the North. There is no way to misinterpret that they lied through their teeth each and every time they said "Hero of North" was for a limited time only. There is no way to defend, each and every time they put a timer on the length of the promotion. It was all smoke and mirrors.
That's just one point, in a game less then a few months old. Already solid proof of them misleading customer base. There is no denying that at all. My second point. Just because you take a spider, exactly like a spider in a promotion. Simply change its size and skin tone. It's still a spider. It's still of the same animal you are riding.
If you think splashing on some new paint or making it smaller. Makes it completely different. Then you truly are lost. Fact is, yes its smaller, its skin tone is seperate. But it's still a spider. On a company that makes Zen store companions monthly. Everything from a dead ghost come back to life, to a bear, etc. You cannot tell me they couldn't made a mount.
It looks similar, because it is exactly the same. Its still a spider but changed speed, size. Its still a spider. I already laid out my case, many people agree with. You don't have to buy Hero of North to agree with me. All you need to agree, is that when company's say limited time, and unique etc. That's what it's supposed to mean.
Have a good day.
You argument is moot, your points are invalid and wrong. You were never told By Cryptic the mount in the Hotn pack was going to be the ONLY spider mount ever put in this game. As I stated before before, your petty argument that because you paid for a pack that offered a spider mount (in your mind) meant you would never have to see another spider mount in game is invalid. Remove yourself from that high horse you are riding around on, and realise this is how it works in Every MMO.
Good Day to you Sir,
Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor.
~Sholom Aleichem
You argument is moot, your points are invalid and wrong. You were never told By Cryptic the mount in the Hotn pack was going to be the ONLY spider mount ever put in this game. As I stated before before, your petty argument that because you paid for a pack that offered a spider mount (in your mind) meant you would never have to see another spider mount in game is invalid. Remove yourself from that high horse you are riding around on, and realise this is how it works in Every MMO.
Good Day to you Sir,
Look, will you just... please stop arguing, you do know this is stupid, right? Just let him believe what he wants to believe and complain about what he wants to complain... it's just making you look silly to be wasting your time trying to get a person biased upon their particular mindset to see your point of view. e_e;
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1. expect nothing. You'll never be disappointed. When something works out it feels like Christmas.
2. only believe about 1/2 of what they tell you.
3. learn to read the PWE code... it's like the doctor with the 7" inch needle coming toward you saying "now you're going to feel a little pinch".
Ah thanks for pointing that out. I wouldn't say that it's tiny, but it is smaller, is a reasonably similar model even though scaled down and looks very different with the reskin. It's just not at all similar enough to the hero spider and think that the ones complaining are over-reacting. You have your special mounts still, they're not devalued. Maybe some people were a bit weary after not actually knowing what it looked like (fair enough I guess), but I wouldn't expect no horses to be on offer if I bought the guardian pack... So calm down guys
Any word on why it doesn't seem to be for sale anymore?
Does this mean, it's suitable for dwarves and halflings?
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...like just about every mount, ever, in MMOs? Why would any programmer not re-use animations/etc, for a mount that's generally the same shape?
(I could point out the ludicrousy extreme example, WoW - where they've eventually made a billion "different" dragon mounts, some of them common as heck, others the reward for dungeon challenges, others the reward for extreme raid challenges, others the reward for meta-achievements that can take 2+ years to complete. And they're reskins.)
Halfings, yes. Dwarves, no. Fat stubby dwarves need to run more and lose weight.
Oh, great. So not only is the $200 spider arguably the best mount for pvp already but they released an even smaller and harder to target one (considering you can upgrade it to a 110% mount by spending more AD)?
At current when playing pvp I see the most spider mounted players slip past enemies without getting thrown off over any other mount by far. I really think that this is a factor that needs to be considered when releasing new mounts or making changes to current ones.
I say this with all the respect in the world. Even if it is tiny, why did they decide to make a model of one already existing just mini size it. To put things into prescriptive, since the official launch of this game. Not counting (Soft Launch which was a month)
This is the first new item we get from opening lockboxes. Those items inside the lockboxes are supposed hold some rare unique item. What's the purpose of unlocking them, if I already have the mount. I am just missing the spider companion.
You have seen the Zen Store. They have everything there from dead ghost person who comes back to life to help you in your adventures, to the giant bear companion, etc. It seems like from numerous animals to pick one, why choose one that's already existing.
They could created a brand new one. One's that would make Hero of North Founders, want it. Now it just seems like a mini mount, what's the purpose behind opening a thousand of those or paying outrageous fees for it on AH. If I had already owned it.
It just seems they had a chance to unlock a cool never before seen monster and opted to go with mini spider mount instead. That's all I'm saying.
The new spider mount is in the Wondrous Bazaar, sold for (likely too many) diamonds.
The new lockbox mount is a stag.
Just A new tip:
New Spider Mount ISN'T RELEASED YET
Phase Spider, Can be bought at Trade Bar "Blue Spider Companion"
Aranae, Comes from the Lock Box "Purple Spider / Human Companion"
and Sylvan Stag, Comes from the Lock Box
The Spider mount with be about 2000 Trahmalune Bars... Not cheap, Think you get on average 10 in a box, so you have to open 200 Boxes to get it, The keys cost $1.25 in Zen, So that means to get the new spider mount, You must Spend: Approximately $250ish, or that worth of in-game money. So... The original pack, $200 for the Spider, The new spider, About $250 worth of in-game money, You are complaining why ? They are spending MORE and just getting a mount, Get real.
Is your next complaint going to be that there is not a "Mini" Inferno horse, An Uncommon Inferno Horse now at Trahmalune Bar Trader, So is it fair that they can now get a lower leveled version of the horse people spent a bunch of time / mone yto get ?
Hmm. The News page says it'll be in the Wondrous Bazaar, not the Trade Bar vendor.
Eh, whatever. Wasn't going to get one anyway. I've got an ugly 110 horse mount, don't need a different ugly mount.
The problem is that is all just estimated. You pulled that number out of thin air, people need about 200 dollars or more in real game cash. The problem lays when this game before even the Zen Companions were placed in the marketplace. They promised content unlike any other. They said it would be unique.
I took them at their word for that. The problem is not, how many boxes they would have to open to obtain the pet. The problem is that they can even access it no matter the number they have to turn in. It was supposed to be an item limited to Hero of North. It was one of the features that taunted people who previewed buying it.
Its one, if not only key features for buying the promotion. They easily could have created dozens of different animals. Why pick a spider, even if its smaller. All you're doing is changing the model size and skin tone. At the end of the day, its still the same animal. In my humble point of view. It shouldn't be accessed at all.
I was under the impression, the entire promotion would cease to exist as soon as game went live. This is only game, I am aware of that boasts orders for pre orders offering all these nice and shiny products, and continues to sell it. I could handle that though. Passing off a new item, as new when its just a mini pet regardless of what person pays.
Is all part of the unique set of collections we were lead to believe that you could only obtain in the promotion. They come out with a new zen companion every month. Would it really been that hard instead to re-do an idea already done. Create a new mount.
Many MMO players I've run across in other games, accept "spider, size A, with black texture and added armor plates" to be unique from "spider, size B, with gold texture, and less armor".
"Unique skins" is something that people collect and/or go out of their way to get. Even if it's a reskin of another thing.
(a "recolor", where there's no underlying detail change to the model, just the same texture with different colors, hasn't been considered to be as unique, though.)
The problem is you interpreted unique to be meaning unique skin, size etc. If that's what they truly had thought was unique. They should have said so in express detail before buying the product. When you go to a store, you check out a product. It has every details listed on back of the box.
For now we had to interpret their unique companions, as not meaning unique in companion itself but the size, color. They didn't disclose this information. It's alright though. I bought Hero of North and new pack for the expansion. I am gong give pause next time they tell me to hurry up and order something before its out.
The problem with misleading customers, time and time again. (First on length of Hero of North Promotion) and that the (spider only accessed through promotion) that after a while, customers tend not to believe the next thing you say. No matter how truth it might be.
I will use caution when ordering from the future, if this is the typical reply, that we're expected to accept. It leaves every word they say open to interpenetration, "only for limited time" means "only size, skin color" limited time and limited time means other thing since promotion is still going on.
Never once did they state that the items in the HotN pack would be exclusive to those who purchased said pack. I can understand you being butt hurt over spending $200 on this game, but take the elitism exclusivity mentality somewhere else.
PWE need to seriously check up on what the word 'unique' actualy means (also refering to the claimed 2 million 'unique' players)
In open beta when the 'founders pack was launched is was clearly stated as being a 'unique'and exclusive pre launch pack and would NOT be available after 'live' launch, it was clearly stated you would have a 'unique' and exclusive spider mount and the wolf companion. and stated you would be one of the very few players in game with these mounts etc as there were 'unique' and exclusive to this pack.
Live launch came along and what happens, the exact same pack continues to be for sale, and is still for sale today, all they did was change the pack name to Hero of the North and remove the 'founders' title,
The newly named pack still contains the so called 'unique' spider mount and the same companion, in fact the whole pack is exaclly the same.
This to me means the whole hype and advertising in open beta about the founders pack and its 'unique' contents was a absolute and utter lie and missled 100's if not 1000's of players to buy a pack with the clear understanding that its contents would be 'unique' and unavailable after 'live' launch.
And now to add insult to injury they release another spider mount from vendors, although agree it is slightly smaller etc, but at end of day it is still based on the original so called 'uniqe' mount that the original founders had purchased.
Obviously they are probably making alot of money out of it, but to originaly offer somthing as rare and 'uniqe' at a certain cost in real money and also clearly state it would not be available after a certain date to then to release basicaly the same item later as a drop or purchasable from a vendor is just so wrong, deliberatly misleading players to buy items with totaly misleading and false advertising.
The same thing happened with the companion unbinding system, 'they' say it was never intened to be a working function, but why leave it in the game ?? it was loosly stated that it was a 'possiblity' it would be available, but now they say it was 'never' going to be a working funtion, just another very misleading part of the game which mislead 1000's players into buying companions with the exspectations of someday being able to 'unbind' them.
Pwe need to STOP using the word 'UNIQUE' until they do some serious checking up on its actual meaning
I'm not even going give you a decent reply. Throwing in elitism, has nothing in the world to do with it. It's about keeping their honest word. When they promised months after months that Hero of North would soon end promotion..was that elitism too of course it wasn't.
As soon as they kept on promotion. I can understand people like you who didn't buy the promotion are happy. However its larger then he bought the promotion, its larger then have and have not's. It's about a company marketing a promotion, promising months after months it would end soon.
Then making copy's of things in that promotion in smaller sizes, shapes. If you cannot see that is the real issue. Then you are blind. This has nothing do with. "I bought it, so I want no one else to own it" its going off companys own word the promotion would end soon and it didn't, on top of that they're re-selling items in promotions but at a different size. I will not continue to respond to you. If you sincerely believe this is "elitism" its not.
It's about trusting the company when they say something it happens, and when it doesn't, you felt mislead to hurry and buy a product. Hence misleading objective to get you buy things, even if they falsely say it will not soon to exist. perhaps you have another fancy word for lying to your customers as well.
So please take that "I'm upset you spent money and want you have nothing" somewhere else.
The same reason other games offer a bazillion different types of horses or any other mount for that matter. The spider mount in the Hotn pack is exclusive to that pack, any other spider mount Cryptic wishes to create in their game is perfectly fine.
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I can go buy the Hero of The North Pack, Get the Spider Mount, and alot more stuff, For the same price it would end up costing to get it in game, and thats not really estimated as have you seen the price of the other mounts in the bar trade ? They are the same price. So, The ones who are getting the spider mount, and not buying the pack, are suckers. Think, You got a WAY better deal.
This is just too easy to troll, so instead I will state once again. Never once did they state that the items in the packs would remain exclusive to only those that bought the pack.
Before I log off. I am going quote something someone else has said. Someone who didn't buy the promotion but can see the misleading the customer base. No matter how badly you want misinpert unique as meaning, ..size..rather then actual content..or mismatch words. You cannot hide the truth from customer base and that is they were badly misnformed on length of Hero of North Promotion.
They tossed out words like unique, and limited time. Like it was going out of style. Then they sell products unique to a promotion expect its different because of size and shape, so that's supposed make everything alright. Anything I say will be repeating what this fine customer is already saying in his quote.
It does when you are trying to argue a point as stupid as this. I was told in writing that my spider mount in my HOTN pack was exclusive, now I see other players have the ability to purchase a mount which (Looks Similar) to the spider mount I use.
It looks Similar, it doesn't mean it is the same thing as the spider mount that comes with the HOTN pack. Arguing over the Similarities is pretty petty and very meaningless since Cryptic never stated they would never develop another spider mount for players to use.
Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor.
~Sholom Aleichem
One last thing. First. It's not a stupid point. If you sincerely believe misleading or lying to the customer base months before the actual game came out about the length of the promotion for Hero of the North. There is no way to misinterpret that they lied through their teeth each and every time they said "Hero of North" was for a limited time only. There is no way to defend, each and every time they put a timer on the length of the promotion. It was all smoke and mirrors.
That's just one point, in a game less then a few months old. Already solid proof of them misleading customer base. There is no denying that at all. My second point. Just because you take a spider, exactly like a spider in a promotion. Simply change its size and skin tone. It's still a spider. It's still of the same animal you are riding.
If you think splashing on some new paint or making it smaller. Makes it completely different. Then you truly are lost. Fact is, yes its smaller, its skin tone is seperate. But it's still a spider. On a company that makes Zen store companions monthly. Everything from a dead ghost come back to life, to a bear, etc. You cannot tell me they couldn't made a mount.
It looks similar, because it is exactly the same. Its still a spider but changed speed, size. Its still a spider. I already laid out my case, many people agree with. You don't have to buy Hero of North to agree with me. All you need to agree, is that when company's say limited time, and unique etc. That's what it's supposed to mean.
Have a good day.
Is it just a recolor (different texture), or are there some changes to the model? (Like, different armor details, etc)
My problem with the OP's argument is that if you take it to its logical conclusion, there should be no other (armored) horse mounts in the game as well. Which is pretty flipping silly.
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You argument is moot, your points are invalid and wrong. You were never told By Cryptic the mount in the Hotn pack was going to be the ONLY spider mount ever put in this game. As I stated before before, your petty argument that because you paid for a pack that offered a spider mount (in your mind) meant you would never have to see another spider mount in game is invalid. Remove yourself from that high horse you are riding around on, and realise this is how it works in Every MMO.
Good Day to you Sir,
Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor.
~Sholom Aleichem
Look, will you just... please stop arguing, you do know this is stupid, right? Just let him believe what he wants to believe and complain about what he wants to complain... it's just making you look silly to be wasting your time trying to get a person biased upon their particular mindset to see your point of view. e_e;