I am baffled by all this talk of replacing shield with some crappy encounter spell. Does no one here actually realize how powerful (overpowered?) shield was? I am using it as my main source of damage (about 30-50% of my dps) and not for punting mobs, critting for around 25k+ and resetting cooldown under optimal conditions and that's with my crappy rank 5 enchants, I was able to outdps PvE specced GWFs rolling g. vorpal by a decent margin. Nothing, and I mean nothing is going to replace the power that shield provided.
I am okay with taking away one of the strengths of shield. Yes, it needed some toning down. But they took away it's AP gain AND DPS output. THAT is bull****.
Sudden Storm will provide more DPS than Shield used to, unless it was at zero cooldown.
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uurbsMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 449Bounty Hunter
Shield is rather useless to slot given its' current proposed AP gain. I am going to swap it for Sudden Storm without any regret. I hate having mobs flying all over the place any way.
That sounds to me like you should reinvestigate how and when you use shield. You can use shield and the mobs still stay in one place.
Did you tested this via ACT or it's your allegation?
FreeDumb4ever starting posting the claim, after ragulol posted his combat analyses (which he did on Preview on the dummies in the Trade of Blades). So I would guess, that FreeDumb4ever doesn't have any 1st hand knowledge and just relates information he gained by reading this forum.
Sudden Storm will simply synergize beautifully and offer more AP gain than the newly obsolete Shield. Since it can now crit, and can hit many targets, it is a clear choice for me.
FreeDumb4ever starting posting the claim, after ragulol posted his combat analyses (which he did on Preview on the dummies in the Trade of Blades). So I would guess, that FreeDumb4ever doesn't have any 1st hand knowledge and just relates information he gained by reading this forum.
Sudden Storm will be my choice because it's finally being fixed.
That sounds to me like you should reinvestigate how and when you use shield. You can use shield and the mobs still stay in one place.
There are a lot of CW without a high level of situational awareness that tend to throw mobs about. I hope that Shield Pulse is used less for that reason.
Sudden Storm will provide more DPS than Shield used to, unless it was at zero cooldown.
I have some doubt that Sudden Storm will do more dps than Shield bump because it hits only a very little area in front of you compared to shield that hits everything around you. Obviously on test dummies you are going to hit all the 3 with both spells cause they are not moving and you can pick the best place from where to use Sudden Storm but that will not happen often during a dungeon
I have some doubt that Sudden Storm will do more dps than Shield bump because it hits only a very little area in front of you compared to shield that hits everything around you. Obviously on test dummies you are going to hit all the 3 with both spells cause they are not moving and you can pick the best place from where to use Sudden Storm but that will not happen often during a dungeon
CoI on tab, Steal Time, Icy Terrain, Sudden Storm.
Use Arcane Singularity to group mobs. Hopefully no one will be running Shield Pulse to ungroup them. While they are grouped the rotation is simple...
Cast a complete series of Chilling Cloud, charge a Storm Pillar and fire it on the group, cast CoI, cast Icy Terrain, Cast Steal Time, Cast Sudden Storm, repeat.
Chilling Cloud and Storm Pillar should both proc a damage bonus to all following encounters. AoE damage boosting feats give Sudden Storm and Steal Time even more damage. Sudden Storm and CoI each refresh chill stacks for control. Chilled targets are controlled so each encounter used on them procs additional AP gain. Crits generate additional AP.
This all depends on specific feat investment, but for me it seems a solid theory-craft.
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uurbsMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 449Bounty Hunter
With the right timing, Shield Pulse doesn't "ungroup" the MOBs combined with Arcane Singularity.
I assume he means that your Chilling Cloud rotation gets borked if your helpful fellow CW chooses to disperse the mobs with Shield while Singularity is activating. Yes, they come back together at the end, but it throws off your rhythm a little when you're leading with Frozen Transfer.
I assume he means that your Chilling Cloud rotation gets borked if your helpful fellow CW chooses to disperse the mobs with Shield while Singularity is activating. Yes, they come back together at the end, but it throws off your rhythm a little when you're leading with Frozen Transfer.
LOL...there goes the cookie cutter EF on tab + Sing + Shield "spec" :P
I know I am going to regret posting this, but I couldnt help it. Totally uncalled for :P
completetly uncalled for. Your happy another spec got nerfed to make yours more viable. Good one I think seeing you call yourself a champion of the class.
This game is getting worse and worse for CW's. They started out okay and have been smashed time and time again.
It seems that the chilling cloud crows are happy their little pile wont get spread by shield. That seems to be a very selfish view considering the majority of players used shield.
Renegades nerfed/broken, ROE nerfed, PVP viability tanked to lame support role, then thaum rises, MM useless, Shield nerfed now useless.
Man I cant believe I ever spent any money/time on this game.
What you don't get is the ride these devs have you on. You spend time and energy building gear and enchants. then they break that gear/build. then u pay to pull those enchants out, respecc, get totally new gear.
Its like a hamster on a wheel. Just wait until your favourite build/gear gets the hammer and it will.
completetly uncalled for. Your happy another spec got nerfed to make yours more viable. Good one I think seeing you call yourself a champion of the class.
I think you missed the sarcasm. (EF on tab + Sing + Shield) is NOT a spec. And I never called myself a champion of anything.
completetly uncalled for. Your happy another spec got nerfed to make yours more viable. Good one I think seeing you call yourself a champion of the class.
I also think that comments like the one you are referring to are uncalled for.
This game is getting worse and worse for CW's. They started out okay and have been smashed time and time again.
It seems that the chilling cloud crows are happy their little pile wont get spread by shield. That seems to be a very selfish view considering the majority of players used shield.
Renegades nerfed/broken, ROE nerfed, PVP viability tanked to lame support role, then thaum rises, MM useless, Shield nerfed now useless.
Man I cant believe I ever spent any money/time on this game.
What you don't get is the ride these devs have you on. You spend time and energy building gear and enchants. then they break that gear/build. then u pay to pull those enchants out, respecc, get totally new gear.
Its like a hamster on a wheel. Just wait until your favourite build/gear gets the hammer and it will.
TBH the way that Shield worked was totally broken. When it could have zero cooldown, there was no reason to have any other spell slotted. Spamming the Shield Pulse took every cast rather than having any sort of rotation.
RoE is still very useful, it's just not broken to the point where doubling it on a target is an insta-gib.
None of my gear/enchants will change due to the coming changes. Are you referring to the people who used to stack Tenebrous enchants? Optimal stats for CW are not changing and we will get a free respec token.
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darthpotaterMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,261Arc User
This game is getting worse and worse for CW's. They started out okay and have been smashed time and time again.
Bye, we dont need whiners here, only positive people with ideas and suggestions.
Im so tired of this "oohhh they nerfed me, I will quit" you are the guys that leave dungeons or pvp when someone makes a mistake or plays different than you. Just open your own forum and cry there
This game is getting worse and worse for CW's. They started out okay and have been smashed time and time again.
It seems that the chilling cloud crows are happy their little pile wont get spread by shield. That seems to be a very selfish view considering the majority of players used shield.
Renegades nerfed/broken, ROE nerfed, PVP viability tanked to lame support role, then thaum rises, MM useless, Shield nerfed now useless.
Man I cant believe I ever spent any money/time on this game.
What you don't get is the ride these devs have you on. You spend time and energy building gear and enchants. then they break that gear/build. then u pay to pull those enchants out, respec, get totally new gear.
Its like a hamster on a wheel. Just wait until your favorite build/gear gets the hammer and it will.
Dude, find my posts at the previous pages containing the tests of EotS and nightmare wizardry, look at it and stop crying. Even better if you go to the test server and do a test yourself, i dont see how CW is getting worse. Our skills are getting fixed(so they can crit now) and shield-abuse is getting fixed, which was totally needed, it was far beyond broken(maybe not so broken as 1-hitting bosses with stacked evocation via FPT but still...).
The only thing that i really dont like with upcoming changes is the nerf of Snap freeze. Now the first 4 feats in thaum are nearly useless(especially for a thiefling) and need slight change\buff
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Sudden Storm will provide more DPS than Shield used to, unless it was at zero cooldown.
Did you tested this via ACT or it's your allegation?
Sudden Storm will be my choice because it's finally being fixed.
There are a lot of CW without a high level of situational awareness that tend to throw mobs about. I hope that Shield Pulse is used less for that reason.
I have some doubt that Sudden Storm will do more dps than Shield bump because it hits only a very little area in front of you compared to shield that hits everything around you. Obviously on test dummies you are going to hit all the 3 with both spells cause they are not moving and you can pick the best place from where to use Sudden Storm but that will not happen often during a dungeon
CoI on tab, Steal Time, Icy Terrain, Sudden Storm.
Use Arcane Singularity to group mobs. Hopefully no one will be running Shield Pulse to ungroup them. While they are grouped the rotation is simple...
Cast a complete series of Chilling Cloud, charge a Storm Pillar and fire it on the group, cast CoI, cast Icy Terrain, Cast Steal Time, Cast Sudden Storm, repeat.
Chilling Cloud and Storm Pillar should both proc a damage bonus to all following encounters. AoE damage boosting feats give Sudden Storm and Steal Time even more damage. Sudden Storm and CoI each refresh chill stacks for control. Chilled targets are controlled so each encounter used on them procs additional AP gain. Crits generate additional AP.
This all depends on specific feat investment, but for me it seems a solid theory-craft.
I assume he means that your Chilling Cloud rotation gets borked if your helpful fellow CW chooses to disperse the mobs with Shield while Singularity is activating. Yes, they come back together at the end, but it throws off your rhythm a little when you're leading with Frozen Transfer.
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Yep, any ungrouping at all is unproductive.
completetly uncalled for. Your happy another spec got nerfed to make yours more viable. Good one I think seeing you call yourself a champion of the class.
It seems that the chilling cloud crows are happy their little pile wont get spread by shield. That seems to be a very selfish view considering the majority of players used shield.
Renegades nerfed/broken, ROE nerfed, PVP viability tanked to lame support role, then thaum rises, MM useless, Shield nerfed now useless.
Man I cant believe I ever spent any money/time on this game.
What you don't get is the ride these devs have you on. You spend time and energy building gear and enchants. then they break that gear/build. then u pay to pull those enchants out, respecc, get totally new gear.
Its like a hamster on a wheel. Just wait until your favourite build/gear gets the hammer and it will.
I think you missed the sarcasm. (EF on tab + Sing + Shield) is NOT a spec. And I never called myself a champion of anything.
I've yet to read any sensible post with acceptable feedback. The L2P argument is old and smelly and the "I will quit" one is also quite pathetic.
I want this class in NW.
I also think that comments like the one you are referring to are uncalled for.
TBH the way that Shield worked was totally broken. When it could have zero cooldown, there was no reason to have any other spell slotted. Spamming the Shield Pulse took every cast rather than having any sort of rotation.
RoE is still very useful, it's just not broken to the point where doubling it on a target is an insta-gib.
None of my gear/enchants will change due to the coming changes. Are you referring to the people who used to stack Tenebrous enchants? Optimal stats for CW are not changing and we will get a free respec token.
Im so tired of this "oohhh they nerfed me, I will quit" you are the guys that leave dungeons or pvp when someone makes a mistake or plays different than you. Just open your own forum and cry there
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Dude, find my posts at the previous pages containing the tests of EotS and nightmare wizardry, look at it and stop crying. Even better if you go to the test server and do a test yourself, i dont see how CW is getting worse. Our skills are getting fixed(so they can crit now) and shield-abuse is getting fixed, which was totally needed, it was far beyond broken(maybe not so broken as 1-hitting bosses with stacked evocation via FPT but still...).
The only thing that i really dont like with upcoming changes is the nerf of Snap freeze. Now the first 4 feats in thaum are nearly useless(especially for a thiefling) and need slight change\buff