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Companion Upgrade Costs

untamedengineer#6733 untamedengineer
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edited August 2013 in NeverwinterPreview - Feedback/General Discussion
Just logged onto Mimic. Companions currently showing 300,000 AD to upgrade from white (lvl 15) to green (level 20). Estimating 340 AD per Zen, this is roughly an $8.85 upgrade to gain 5 levels.

Questions:
1) Is the cost the same to go from '20 to 25' & '25 to 30' as it is for '15 to 20'?
2) The upgrade training tomes are still listed as 'Coming Soon'... will these be removed or will some other option such as a direct Zen purchase, tradebar, etc be offered as an alternative to AD?
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  • ceryndrionceryndrion Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It's an increasing cost per quality level.. I don't have a green companion to hand, but I did check raising a blue to a purple, costs 750kAD
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  • dardovedardove Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It is 500k for green->blue
  • bdragonbbdragonb Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 103 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    1.550k AD to get your beloved white healer to purple lvl? Seriously?

    No way Craptic.
  • pfft2pfft2 Member Posts: 301 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    bdragonb wrote: »
    1.550k AD to get your beloved white healer to purple lvl? Seriously?

    Whoa. 1.5 million AD, and she'll still stand in every red patch available :)
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  • axan22#6446 axan22
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    edited July 2013
    Have to agree the upgrade costs for companions are out of order and ive spent a lot on this game, mount upgrade too for that matter are too expensive.
  • powereddjinnpowereddjinn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    White to Green = 300k
    Green to Blue = 550k
    Blue to Purple = 750k
    or 1.6 million

    How are the less hardcore going to do this with no profession items to sell, no daily, as they will now reset everyday not once finally completed, & no seal or glory items to sell?
    Oh, of course, they are going to have to buy Zen!
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  • cheesegromitcheesegromit Member Posts: 540 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Cheaper than I expected it to be but as a casual player at best I'll be able to upgrade one companion per character to level 20 in about a month or two. Neither the amount of real money it would cost nor the time involved to grind are worth it for me to go beyond that. The question for me will be, how useful is a level 20 companion for whatever solo content there is in the expansion?
  • reburrebur Member Posts: 70 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    All I know is if this is the final price for the companions I'll have to give serious considerations if I want to play any more. I'm a Hero of the North purchaser and I find it ridiculous that it takes more than what I got from that to upgrade a companion all the way to max. This is a severe limit on the way the game can be played for low level characters.
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  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited July 2013
    The cost is outrageous atm.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    powereddjinn wrote: »
    no daily, as they will now reset everyday not once finally completed

    I think you've misread this. It's only that the reset for taking another of the same daily is going to always be at a fixed time rather than 19 hours from your last time doing it, or at least that's how I read the note.
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  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Overpriced. But not surprised. Isn't this the same as it was during beta weekends? Fairly sure those were in but I could just be confusing that with mounts.

    If you go with the current exchange rate 1.6 million AD is about $46. Why do they think anyone would pay that? The power increase from 15 to 30 isn't THAT great.
  • enderlin50enderlin50 Member Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Hey for for 1.5mil you can take a combat pet which EVERYONE uses in dungeons and make it even better!
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  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited July 2013
    You can upgrade the cat and ioun stones for a low low price of 750K AD @_@ :rolleyes:
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    powereddjinn wrote: »
    no daily, as they will now reset everyday not once finally completed

    And I am coming back now that I'm into the test shard to say that you were right and I was wrong. Wow, this does rather suck.
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  • enneaennea Member Posts: 41
    edited July 2013
    Hey guys does the companion lose its runestones that were socketed already when you upgrade? This happened to the T2 gloves after crafters upgraded to reinforced...
  • r1der1de Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    wow. those prices are ridiculous... absolutely ridiculous. I know a company is for making money and all, but come on... seriously? Almost $50? You have got to be kidding.
    My Girlfriend and I were so looking forward to finally, *finally* being able to make our dogs into useful companions.
    Guess not.
  • shuy1shuy1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Ridicolous is all I've to say.
  • untamedengineer#6733 untamedengineer
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    edited July 2013
    For the price I would personally rather see a change in the Pack offering allowing you to choose a single choice per character from either an offensive companion, defensive companion, or support companion.

    Running five (5) level 60 characters there is no way I can justify the monetary expense, especially given that my preferred class has not yet been released.
  • rhymfaxerhymfaxe Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 101 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Save your AD, non-augment companions are still worthless at 60 since they can die.
  • misterzacmisterzac Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    powereddjinn wrote: »
    White to Green = 300k
    Green to Blue = 550k
    Blue to Purple = 750k
    or 1.6 million

    How are the less hardcore going to do this with no profession items to sell, no daily, as they will now reset everyday not once finally completed, & no seal or glory items to sell?
    Oh, of course, they are going to have to buy Zen!
    Or you can just do a couple of t2 runs during DD and sell the loot to get enough AD to upgrade your companion..
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  • runebanerunebane Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    powereddjinn wrote: »
    White to Green = 300k
    Green to Blue = 550k
    Blue to Purple = 750k
    or 1.6 million

    The cost is pretty high, but still cheaper than upgrading a mount. Just like with mounts its still cheaper to trade your AD to Zen and buy a purple companion that way. The downside to that is that the Zen store only has two purple companions (I think). Both are considerably cheaper than 1.6 million AD though.

    I actually think 750k isn't a terrible price for blue to purple. Though I think the 500K would be more reasonable. IMO the first upgrade should be dirt cheap. 100K or maybe even 50K. Something small to get people to start using the companion upgrade system. The second (or Green to Blue) upgrade should be the first "expensive" upgrade. Somewhere between the two.
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  • enderlin50enderlin50 Member Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    My ideal upgrade options:

    White to Green = 175k
    Green to Blue = 300k
    Blue to Purple = 500k

    *Reasoning for my lower values* : Until companions can properly be used "over" augments in endgame dungeons such as Castle Never then the justification for upgrading doesn't meet the cost.


    Augments was a shoot yourself in the foot. While you priced Augment Companions high for minmaxers you diminished a lot of value to healing, damage, tank, support companions. Even if you fix the random skipping still going on where a combat pet will accidentally pull random creatures it will still not outweigh the stats.

    FIX: In the future make Augment companions something some classes may want but not everyone. Example a Cleric or a Fighter or whatever has all needed and desired stats then an Augment is overkill and therefore taking advantage of a companion that helps mitigate damage or heal could be a big impact.

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  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    runebane wrote: »
    The cost is pretty high, but still cheaper than upgrading a mount.
    I've seen exactly one person on beholder with an upgraded mount. Ever. Only to rank 2.

    Like the other overpriced AD "features" mount upgrades, enchantment unbinding and to a lesser extent, armor transmutation, this will be used by a very, very limited selection of people.

    My guess it that this will almost solely be used by people wanting to upgrade their blue stone or cat, not by people wanting to upgrade their healer to max level.
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  • ministerofchangeministerofchange Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    FROM THE DEV BLOG:
    What was the design direction behind adding a quality upgrade system alongside the already existing Blue/Purple companions?

    Answered by: Lindsay Haven

    We wanted to give players more options to earn high level companions without spending Zen or having to part ways with a high volume of Astral Diamonds. Rather than making a one-time purchase, players increase the quality of their companion using this process, which is more iterative and welcoming to players who prefer smaller, more spaced-out Astral Diamond investments.

    This is now proven to be a straight up lie. With these prices there is no way a casual player will be able to upgrade all the way to purple from white, its ridiculous! I was very excited to hear about this upgrade system, now I have to accept it is not even worth it to me to do on any of my Characters.
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  • werylanwerylan Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    If they mean for CASUAL players to upgrade .. the prices need to be along the lines of 50k White to Green... 100k Green to Blue .... 250k Blue to purple.
    That is something a casual player can earn. On the flip side of that argument.
    IF THERE WAS ACTUALLY A WAY TO EARN AD this wouldn't be an issue.
    One available skirmish for level 60s with a total of 8k AD if you finish it 4 times? At their current prices you'd be well over 3 months to upgrade from white to green. Good luck selling that to casual players. They'll either buy a blue pet from the store or quit.
    The decision to have next to no end game way of making AD is going to make this a CATastrophe.
  • goddessuniquegoddessunique Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    White to Green = free
    Green to Blue = 300k
    Blue to Purple = 500k
    this is how it should be lol:o
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  • croffilecroffile Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I would like to think if the prices are going to be this high, increase the amount of rough astral diamonds you get from dailies, or add more dailies.

    Not asking for a major increase, just a small increase to make the dailies worthwhile.
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  • bowdidlybowdidly Member Posts: 261 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    What was the design direction behind adding a quality upgrade system alongside the already existing Blue/Purple companions?

    Answered by: Lindsay Haven

    We wanted to give players more options to earn high level companions without spending Zen or having to part ways with a high volume of Astral Diamonds. Rather than making a one-time purchase, players increase the quality of their companion using this process, which is more iterative and welcoming to players who prefer smaller, more spaced-out Astral Diamond investments.

    Way to go PWE publicly state one thing then later do the opposite, With the now near weekly nerfs to anything that can make AD easy or in large amounts (leadership, crafting) The one thing you keep insisting is this game is NOT p2w when quite obviously it is going straight down that road, everything is just BS, and lies.

    The only way to stay mildly competitive in the game is the either buy Zen or put in absolutly absurd amounts of time to grind AD

    It is all absolutly stupid and prices are way way out of balance, take the mount upgrades, WHO in their right mind would pay out over 2 milion AD to upgrade a 'white' mount to epic, when the auction house is full of epic nightmare mounts for 700k, to 800k AD LMAO, even using the Zen exchange you can buy epic mounts from the Zen store for alot less than 1 milion AD.

    The exsact same thing for companions, the upgrade sytem is stupidly overpriced, and is just going to make 'white' companions totaly useless, there is no point them being in the game from the start

    I have have still not got over the 'con' with the founders pack, it was hyped up pre launch to be fully 'Exclusive' and the contents would ONLY be available to those who purchased it PRE launch date.

    Which to most would mean if you forked out the 200 bucks pre launch you would have a pretty rare mount and companion, as after launch, according to the advertising, no one else would be able to purchase the pack.

    So live launch comes and what do you do, you do not remove the pack from sales, NO you keep it still available you just rename it and remove the title all the contents remain the same.

    Its scam after scam after scam, ALL designed to hit the players pockets, first and formost, and NOT to improve the game and keep the players happy and continuing to play
  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    powereddjinn wrote: »
    White to Green = 300k
    Green to Blue = 550k
    Blue to Purple = 750k
    or 1.6 million

    How are the less hardcore going to do this with no profession items to sell, no daily, as they will now reset everyday not once finally completed, & no seal or glory items to sell?
    Oh, of course, they are going to have to buy Zen!

    Actually no.
    We'll just roll a new alt. Then when those run out, we'll just stop playing.

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  • cheesegromitcheesegromit Member Posts: 540 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The other thing to note here is the massive difference between the speed of leveling and the rate of AD income. I've upgraded my companion on the test server from max level 15 to 20. Having played for a few hours over the last two days he's about 2k XP short of reaching level 20. In that time under normal circumstances I would have earned between 2k and 14k AD (min 1 invoke, max 3 invokes + 3 x leadership @ 1600).

    I don't expect these two things to be in sync but the disparity is enormous.

    I guess I'm just not the sort of player the Neverwinter economic model was designed for.
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