knowing cryptic they'll kick it down the line as long as possible.
Knowing cryptic they might do this, but Im hoping they are doing the whole "turning a new leaf" with this game and will release the Drow at least some what close to 60 days after launch
It is interesting to note that the 60-day required lockout for Drow will expire just before the Expansion comes out.
Its no guarantee that they will release Drow at the same time as the expansion of course. Just that they could.
I wouldnt hold my breath,
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derantulaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited July 2013
You are playing a F2P game, you can have your opinion of the current state of the game, but it's not like you are paying a subscription. This game makes money based on Starter/Founder/Zone packs/Zen Store. You are blind if you can't see they generally don't care about a player base that doesn't spend money on their stuff. Why you mad?
Also, aren't Drow becoming free to all soon? I'd assume the new exclusive elves will be released as free for all at some point in the future as well, (or maybe as an unlock for completing the entirety of the new module).
The Drow should be available to all just before the expansion comes out, around August 20th I believe. It is possible a form of the Moon Elves will be released two months after the expansion, but that hasn't been said officially that I know of.
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dardoveMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The Drow should be available to all just before the expansion comes out, around August 20th I believe. It is possible a form of the Moon Elves will be released two months after the expansion, but that hasn't been said officially that I know of.
August 20th is just the earliest it can be released. It says it will be released "at least 60 days after launch" as opposed to "60 days after launch." They could wait 2 years after launch if they want.
August 20th is just the earliest it can be released. It says it will be released "at least 60 days after launch" as opposed to "60 days after launch." They could wait 2 years after launch if they want.
They could do any number of things. However, it would flow well with the update, and keep only one race held behind a pay wall at a time, which I could see them wanting to do. They can only string out anticipation so long, after all, before it will come back to bite them from a majority rather than a minority.
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dardoveMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
They could do any number of things. However, it would flow well with the update, and keep only one race held behind a pay wall at a time, which I could see them wanting to do. They can only string out anticipation so long, after all, before it will come back to bite them from a majority rather than a minority.
Yeah, I don't actually think they will hold it long after the 60 days.
Of course, I also don't think there will be a free variant of the Moon Elves released later since Moon and Sun elves are already variants of Eldarin. So Moon are the pay version of Eldarin and Sun are the free version.
Anyone think the class with be a sorcerer, use the same armor/robes as the wiz, and have all the same animations/attacks with different tool tip names ? :P
You are playing a F2P game, you can have your opinion of the current state of the game, but it's not like you are paying a subscription. This game makes money based on Starter/Founder/Zone packs/Zen Store. You are blind if you can't see they generally don't care about a player base that doesn't spend money on their stuff. Why you mad?
Perhaps because its perfectly possible to make money without basically being hilariously exploitative, but people like you gladly lap it up anyhow?
Yeah, I don't actually think they will hold it long after the 60 days.
Of course, I also don't think there will be a free variant of the Moon Elves released later since Moon and Sun elves are already variants of Eldarin. So Moon are the pay version of Eldarin and Sun are the free version.
You could easily be right, regarding the Moon Elves, as they mentioned nothing as of yet regarding availability to non-pack purchasers, that I know of. Time will tell on this point, and their decision will likely set the precedent for future expansion packs yet to come.
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chelseacrafterMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
All we keep hearing from Cryptic is how happy we all are with them and a bunch of fake things they keep saying everyone is begging them for. It's insulting to us to be treated as if they can't hear any constructive criticism or requests to fix things... AND to make good on their previous forgotten promise to at least TELL US what the new class is going to be... let alone roll it out.
It's pretty disrespectful to pretend like there are these invisible dev groupies who worship them & that all of us begged them for a new expansion area. The word liars comes to mind...
All we keep hearing from Cryptic is how happy we all are with them and a bunch of fake things they keep saying everyone is begging them for. It's insulting to us to be treated as if they can't hear any constructive criticism or requests to fix things... AND to make good on their previous forgotten promise to at least TELL US what the new class is going to be... let alone roll it out.
It's pretty disrespectful to pretend like there are these invisible dev groupies who worship them & that all of us begged them for a new expansion area. The word liars comes to mind...
Its basic PR.
Theyre not telling it to us. Theyre telling it to anyone who happens upon the website.
Hence why crytic usually has comments disabled on news posts.
All we keep hearing from Cryptic is how happy we all are with them and a bunch of fake things they keep saying everyone is begging them for. It's insulting to us to be treated as if they can't hear any constructive criticism or requests to fix things... AND to make good on their previous forgotten promise to at least TELL US what the new class is going to be... let alone roll it out.
It's pretty disrespectful to pretend like there are these invisible dev groupies who worship them & that all of us begged them for a new expansion area. The word liars comes to mind...
You do realize that the people who frequent the forums are the vocal minority right? There are many more people who use Facebook/Twitter/are sending in tickets about what they think is important.
You do realize that the people who frequent the forums are the vocal minority right? There are many more people who use Facebook/Twitter/are sending in tickets about what they think is important.
why would anyone on earth facebook about this game?
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mewbreyMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 517Bounty Hunter
Find those statements very troubling. Because earlier this year they said that 1 of the classes was almost complete. Basically more hyperbole from the dev team while they try and bilk us for all the money they can. Guess those naysayers who dissed Cryptic and PWE were correct after all. Sad because this game was actually really fun for a time.
Rather upset by it as well, many of my friends where expecting a new class and paragon paths - the later should have been in at launch... I don't know how long my friends that I play with will continue to sit by while nothing is being done about the lack of choice and customization.
All we keep hearing from Cryptic is how happy we all are with them and a bunch of fake things they keep saying everyone is begging them for. It's insulting to us to be treated as if they can't hear any constructive criticism or requests to fix things...
The mods are in charge of passing constructive criticism on. There is no guarantee that the devs will implement every suggestion that they get though. Or that every post on the forums is constructive.
AND to make good on their previous forgotten promise to at least TELL US what the new class is going to be...
6 mins into the interview the Lead Developer talks about Module 1 and the New class being designed. He stated that the new class is about 40% complete and won't be out until the end of the year.
You could easily be right, regarding the Moon Elves, as they mentioned nothing as of yet regarding availability to non-pack purchasers, that I know of. Time will tell on this point, and their decision will likely set the precedent for future expansion packs yet to come.
Not only that, but with the verbiage they've been using, it doesn't sound like there will be a Moon Elf race for non-pack purchasers.
What items are available in the Knight of the Feywild Pack and Feywild Starter Pack?
The Knight of the Feywild Pack comes with the exclusive Moon Elf race, ...
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What if I want to play the Sun Elf race as well as the exclusive Moon Elf race?
The Sun Elf race is free for all Neverwinter players.
Nothing implying that the Moon Elf race is anything but exclusive to pack purchasers. It should have been the Sun Elves that were exclusive, as Sun Elves are, according to lore (both pre and post 4e) the most elitist and aloof of Elves/Eladrin, whereas Moon Elves are more common (and in fact, before 4e, they were the standard Elf PC race for the Forgotten Realms for 30 years).
IMHO, this is intentional. I think what they're doing is hedging their bets that long-time Forgotten Realms fans will be willing to pay to play what has historically been the standard Elf in the Forgotten Realms.
6 mins into the interview the Lead Developer talks about Module 1 and the New class being designed. He stated that the new class is about 40% complete and won't be out until the end of the year.
Thanks always can trust the sycophants to post on the behalf of the dev's
Since when has the dev's released anything 100% complete its probly not going to be much better then 40% complete so they might as well release it now and maybe by the end of the year it could be all patched up and good to go.
Nothing was said about the paragon paths with the current characters, so they probly havnt even started those. I would say and scream get the ones we have fixed first then work on whatever next.
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"It will follow a completely Free to Play marketing model.
There will be no subscription option and all core content will be available free of charge."
Now define (Core Content), is that content minus certain races/Classes? or is core content applied to what we have now with the Classes/Races that were free at launch and Anything else added is considered extra?
Technically speaking I am sorting through threads right now, but here's some information from A mod on the Subject of (Free Content), that was giving a while back. This is not to say that the Moderator speaks directly for Cryptic, and that Cryptic can't change their mind whenever they feel like it. Cryptic, obviously has the final say on what is or isn't free content, and incorporate such material as they deem fit.
well I KNOW bag and bank space is not needed, or (core) to an MMO....
I guess if you consider a race to being core content. To me I consider quests and dungeons to be more important content then if I can play a dark skinned elf. Either way, yes the game did launch with 8 races even if you dont want to accept it.
each RACE, has special contacts, for "quests/mission" other RACES can't get.....
race = around 1-5 quests, per zone that is unlocked for that 1 toon that is that race.
"Almost done" obviously means under 40%. I always wanted to know what "almost done" meant. Now I know.
I have stopped playing the game. I do continue to craft and sell stuff and oh, I log in once a day to get my coin.
I was able to purchase all of my CN gear through crafting so crafting has a purpose. :-)
I still need a tone of enchants but I was saving my AD for the Ranger class. Now I have to wait till December (probably February knowing these guys) to get my Ranger and I might have to buy the class?
If Fey items are of the same power level as GG then the expansion will be near meaningless.
Nothing implying that the Moon Elf race is anything but exclusive to pack purchasers. It should have been the Sun Elves that were exclusive, as Sun Elves are, according to lore (both pre and post 4e) the most elitist and aloof of Elves/Eladrin, whereas Moon Elves are more common (and in fact, before 4e, they were the standard Elf PC race for the Forgotten Realms for 30 years).
IMHO, this is intentional. I think what they're doing is hedging their bets that long-time Forgotten Realms fans will be willing to pay to play what has historically been the standard Elf in the Forgotten Realms.
Based on the wording of those posts it certainly looks like the Moon Elves will be restricted to purchasers of the pack. However, I remember hearing of people seeing somewhere along the line that all races would be free, so perhaps the posts are simply worded poorly and will be clarified later, to say a Moon Elf for others will be released later. It will be interesting to see if that is so.
However, for those who absolutely must be able to play a Moon Elf, as things stand now, they had best purchase the pack to be absolutely sure they will be able to play one.
Speculations to their potential motives may be interesting, but they are still just speculations, and don't do anything to change whatever the situation will end out to be.
However, I remember hearing of people seeing somewhere along the line that all races would be free,
I've seen people claiming that, but none were able to produce an actual source.
It is possible that people were confusing races with classes and just spreading it as a rumour.
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greymasqueMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I still need a tone of enchants but I was saving my AD for the Ranger class. Now I have to wait till December (probably February knowing these guys) to get my Ranger and I might have to buy the class?
Nobody from Cryptic/PWE has said that we will have to pay for the Ranger, or any class. They have never even implied it. The only people saying we'll have to buy new classes are forum-goers making up rumours.
Moon Elves will be buyable like Drow are now, but races aren't classes - and the pay-only option will likely be temporary (just like Drow).
I've seen people claiming that, but none were able to produce an actual source.
It is possible that people were confusing races with classes and just spreading it as a rumour.
I'm doing some web searches today to see if I can find any statements made by the developers regarding all races being free over the life of the game. It could have been wishful thinking transformed into 'fact', so I'm looking for some supporting evidence.
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greymasqueMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
That, I cannot help you with. At this point, I'm going to walk away.
I read through those links, too. At no point does anyone from Cryptic ever say that we will have to pay for classes. Someone mentions a race, but that is not a class.
There is wild speculation from one or two users that we'll have to pay for new classes, but it's based merely on their own imagination & not anything said by Cryptic/PWE. (You posted in one of those threads to try to add fuel to the rumour, in fact... but again, based on nothing but speculation instead of actual words from the dev team.)
Also, one of the Moderators actually says "I can virtually guarantee that you will not be paying for the Ranger." While he does cover his butt with the "virtually" bit, it is something.
I can't help but point out that your "walking away" comment makes it seem as if you can't back up your statement. I hope that's not the case.
I found a page where a site interviewed Neverwinter with a date listed of June 13, 2013.
The relevant questions and responses are:
Question 5: So far the races have been identified as elves, half-elves, dwarves, half-orcs, halflings, tieflings, and humans. With the coming release of the drow elves as a playable race, will Neverwinter acquire more races? Perhaps through a payment option?
There will absolutely be more playable races coming to Neverwinter. We aren’t quite sure if they will be monetized or not. Though I think we will be making that decision soon, so keep an eye out for new races on our website.
Question 6: Classes are a bit few in number at the initial release of the open beta. Can we expect more free classes to generate new characters or will they need to be purchased? Any hints to what new classes may be in the making?
We are currently working on new classes. I can’t say what classes we are working on, but I can say that we are looking at the most popular class in D&D history and listening to the Neverwinter community. We have room to expand in that direction because there are a lot of classes available to us through the Dungeons & Dragons lore. At this time we don’t plan on charging players for playable classes.
It seems from these responses it is quite possible that some races may well be for purchase only, though it seems the plan at this time is to not charge for classes.
Until I see something official to the contrary, I'm going to view Moon Elves as a pay only race, based on the information above.
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Knowing cryptic they might do this, but Im hoping they are doing the whole "turning a new leaf" with this game and will release the Drow at least some what close to 60 days after launch
Its no guarantee that they will release Drow at the same time as the expansion of course. Just that they could.
I wouldnt hold my breath,
The Drow should be available to all just before the expansion comes out, around August 20th I believe. It is possible a form of the Moon Elves will be released two months after the expansion, but that hasn't been said officially that I know of.
August 20th is just the earliest it can be released. It says it will be released "at least 60 days after launch" as opposed to "60 days after launch." They could wait 2 years after launch if they want.
They could do any number of things. However, it would flow well with the update, and keep only one race held behind a pay wall at a time, which I could see them wanting to do. They can only string out anticipation so long, after all, before it will come back to bite them from a majority rather than a minority.
Yeah, I don't actually think they will hold it long after the 60 days.
Of course, I also don't think there will be a free variant of the Moon Elves released later since Moon and Sun elves are already variants of Eldarin. So Moon are the pay version of Eldarin and Sun are the free version.
Perhaps because its perfectly possible to make money without basically being hilariously exploitative, but people like you gladly lap it up anyhow?
You could easily be right, regarding the Moon Elves, as they mentioned nothing as of yet regarding availability to non-pack purchasers, that I know of. Time will tell on this point, and their decision will likely set the precedent for future expansion packs yet to come.
It's pretty disrespectful to pretend like there are these invisible dev groupies who worship them & that all of us begged them for a new expansion area. The word liars comes to mind...
Its basic PR.
Theyre not telling it to us. Theyre telling it to anyone who happens upon the website.
Hence why crytic usually has comments disabled on news posts.
You do realize that the people who frequent the forums are the vocal minority right? There are many more people who use Facebook/Twitter/are sending in tickets about what they think is important.
why would anyone on earth facebook about this game?
Rather upset by it as well, many of my friends where expecting a new class and paragon paths - the later should have been in at launch... I don't know how long my friends that I play with will continue to sit by while nothing is being done about the lack of choice and customization.
Because the game has an official Facebook page.
Hang on. What promise?
The word liars comes to mind...[/QUOTE]
From the extended FAQ:
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Nothing implying that the Moon Elf race is anything but exclusive to pack purchasers. It should have been the Sun Elves that were exclusive, as Sun Elves are, according to lore (both pre and post 4e) the most elitist and aloof of Elves/Eladrin, whereas Moon Elves are more common (and in fact, before 4e, they were the standard Elf PC race for the Forgotten Realms for 30 years).
IMHO, this is intentional. I think what they're doing is hedging their bets that long-time Forgotten Realms fans will be willing to pay to play what has historically been the standard Elf in the Forgotten Realms.
Thanks always can trust the sycophants to post on the behalf of the dev's
Since when has the dev's released anything 100% complete its probly not going to be much better then 40% complete so they might as well release it now and maybe by the end of the year it could be all patched up and good to go.
Nothing was said about the paragon paths with the current characters, so they probly havnt even started those. I would say and scream get the ones we have fixed first then work on whatever next.
well I KNOW bag and bank space is not needed, or (core) to an MMO....
each RACE, has special contacts, for "quests/mission" other RACES can't get.....
race = around 1-5 quests, per zone that is unlocked for that 1 toon that is that race.
so.... restricting races = restricting quests/missions.
I have stopped playing the game. I do continue to craft and sell stuff and oh, I log in once a day to get my coin.
I was able to purchase all of my CN gear through crafting so crafting has a purpose. :-)
I still need a tone of enchants but I was saving my AD for the Ranger class. Now I have to wait till December (probably February knowing these guys) to get my Ranger and I might have to buy the class?
If Fey items are of the same power level as GG then the expansion will be near meaningless.
You guys better hope FF aRRB sucks donkey eggs.
Based on the wording of those posts it certainly looks like the Moon Elves will be restricted to purchasers of the pack. However, I remember hearing of people seeing somewhere along the line that all races would be free, so perhaps the posts are simply worded poorly and will be clarified later, to say a Moon Elf for others will be released later. It will be interesting to see if that is so.
However, for those who absolutely must be able to play a Moon Elf, as things stand now, they had best purchase the pack to be absolutely sure they will be able to play one.
Speculations to their potential motives may be interesting, but they are still just speculations, and don't do anything to change whatever the situation will end out to be.
Are you sure on that?
I've only found around three or four racial quests in total for each race. Not the 14-70 that you are claiming.
I've seen people claiming that, but none were able to produce an actual source.
It is possible that people were confusing races with classes and just spreading it as a rumour.
Moon Elves will be buyable like Drow are now, but races aren't classes - and the pay-only option will likely be temporary (just like Drow).
I'm doing some web searches today to see if I can find any statements made by the developers regarding all races being free over the life of the game. It could have been wishful thinking transformed into 'fact', so I'm looking for some supporting evidence.
I read through those links, too. At no point does anyone from Cryptic ever say that we will have to pay for classes. Someone mentions a race, but that is not a class.
There is wild speculation from one or two users that we'll have to pay for new classes, but it's based merely on their own imagination & not anything said by Cryptic/PWE. (You posted in one of those threads to try to add fuel to the rumour, in fact... but again, based on nothing but speculation instead of actual words from the dev team.)
Also, one of the Moderators actually says "I can virtually guarantee that you will not be paying for the Ranger." While he does cover his butt with the "virtually" bit, it is something.
I can't help but point out that your "walking away" comment makes it seem as if you can't back up your statement. I hope that's not the case.
The relevant questions and responses are:
Question 5: So far the races have been identified as elves, half-elves, dwarves, half-orcs, halflings, tieflings, and humans. With the coming release of the drow elves as a playable race, will Neverwinter acquire more races? Perhaps through a payment option?
There will absolutely be more playable races coming to Neverwinter. We aren’t quite sure if they will be monetized or not. Though I think we will be making that decision soon, so keep an eye out for new races on our website.
Question 6: Classes are a bit few in number at the initial release of the open beta. Can we expect more free classes to generate new characters or will they need to be purchased? Any hints to what new classes may be in the making?
We are currently working on new classes. I can’t say what classes we are working on, but I can say that we are looking at the most popular class in D&D history and listening to the Neverwinter community. We have room to expand in that direction because there are a lot of classes available to us through the Dungeons & Dragons lore. At this time we don’t plan on charging players for playable classes.
Link: http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/2013/06/neverwinter-interview-with-cryptic-studios/
It seems from these responses it is quite possible that some races may well be for purchase only, though it seems the plan at this time is to not charge for classes.
Until I see something official to the contrary, I'm going to view Moon Elves as a pay only race, based on the information above.