Morsitans, call you please explain what, "goobering about firing a pip's worth..." means? Im guessing it means, " glad about doing very little," but not sure.
I know, i know its very off topic (and maybe even a little rude), but i am honestly just curious. Growing up in various southern states in america i have a special fondness for local colloquialisms.
Morsitans, call you please explain what, "goobering about firing a pip's worth..." means? Im guessing it means, " glad about doing very little," but not sure.
Sorry: "to goober about" is flailing around like a cretin, and thus that sentence means, essentially, "kiting around haplessly, firing one pip's worth of soothing light into my eyes". The essence was that kiting around (haplessly or no) in a D'd astral shield has always, in my experience, been more rewarding than using soothing light on myself.
Sorry: "to goober about" is flailing around like a cretin, and thus that sentence means, essentially, "kiting around haplessly, firing one pip's worth of soothing light into my eyes". The essence was that kiting around (haplessly or no) in a D'd astral shield has always, in my experience, been more rewarding than using soothing light on myself.
its fun to kite around, sometimes you become shell shocked like in the movie Private Ryan, all dazed everything around you out of place with a complete feeling of being lost only to try to get your senses back before you are toast
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sh4dowrunn3rMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 17Arc User
edited June 2013
Well I had the pleasure of fighting against munkey one match, but he was in premade with his guild. My pug fallen to pieces in first minute of match and after that was just ganking so couldn't really measure his healing. But if he always plays in premade then I understand why he is doing good in pvp. TR that was with him hits for 3k per thrown dagger while he stays in stealth.
Well I had the pleasure of fighting against munkey one match, but he was in premade with his guild. My pug fallen to pieces in first minute of match and after that was just ganking so couldn't really measure his healing. But if he always plays in premade then I understand why he is doing good in pvp. TR that was with him hits for 3k per thrown dagger while he stays in stealth.
its easy to always do well in PvP on a cleric if you always have a strong team backing you, though I wouldn't call such cleric play a measure of being good as a cleric
It's not about Munkey81's build, forget about that, it's about running premades with great teams versus ****ty PUGs. That's the reason he's doing fine as a cleric, not his build. And I'm getting tired of the bragging. You can do pvp matches naked without having spent a single point in powers nor feats and do great in pvp if your team is good enough.
i got 2.3k defense
I mean with 2k++ defense we can survive in pvp, at least for defending our tower IMO(just throw anything in your mind bout killing people LOL)
ya know ah .. .
Astral shield + Hallowed Ground + 2k++ def + Divinity FF . . so WOW
It's not about Munkey81's build, forget about that, it's about running premades with great teams versus ****ty PUGs. That's the reason he's doing fine as a cleric, not his build. And I'm getting tired of the bragging. You can do pvp matches naked without having spent a single point in powers nor feats and do great in pvp if your team is good enough.
I'm sorry that you are so upset. But I JUST joined X.O.X.O lastnight. Lastnight was my first, and only premade PvP match, ever. Which I have stated in countless posts.
I do well in PvP because I know how to play the DC class very well.
The build is amazing, so, with a good build, and excellent skill in the game, I am doing very well. Only gets better in a guild group.
Also, soothing light absolutely works on yourself, for the life of me i cant imagine why I "thought" it never worked. But i am using it now on myself, and my healing has just got that much better. Its amazing because of Enduring Relief. With this build, after I use DM healing, I am only healing myself for a -17%, down from -40 Righteousness.
Just because a cleric is in a premade, does not automatically mean they are going to win. You are still going to be focused, you still have to survive.
To the dude that calls me bragging. I've never bragged about anything, I'm not the type. I am confident in the class, and the build that I am using, added with my skill in the game, I am doing very well in PvP. I do not have even one of the complaints, that you guys are flooding the forums with. The only reason I am even posting on this silly forum is because i am trying to get other people to see that clerics are "not" terrible. I have met, and played with and against, many many very very good clerics on Mindflayer that are near impossible to kill 1 vs 1.
To the guy that made the comment about the rogue in my guild group. His GS is only 9.3. 3k daggers is normal for a rogue I think, maybe even a bit low compared to other geared rogues.
I posted my build on this forum
its labeled
My Post patch DC Build
Barabus The Gray
Mindflayer
X.o.X.o
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
Munkey81, I searched through this thread twice and couldn't find the link to your build. Care to post it? Thanks!
To the guy that made the comment about the rogue in my guild group. His GS is only 9.3. 3k daggers is normal for a rogue I think, maybe even a bit low compared to other geared rogues.
That's cool... it just seemed a lot to me since that's how much was actual dmg that got past defenses and I know how fast TR can throw those daggers since I got low lvl alt and I love them there :P.
That's cool... it just seemed a lot to me since that's how much was actual dmg that got past defenses and I know how fast TR can throw those daggers since I got low lvl alt and I love them there :P.
I am going to focus defense and recovery. So far it's working. In pvp I just sit back BOS/AS, buff and heal. I am thinking about changing out HG though, people don't want to stay in it's radius. Granted I am only level 38 ( I know pvp changes at 60). I am hoping My support role will still fair well in pvp @ 60.
DC is a cool class it reminds me of a vanilla wow. How classes exist, I love it. Though so far I bos/as, HG,HW,FF,SB and slide around. Beats standing in one spot, though 99% of the time your groups expects you to heal, which I like.
I am going to focus defense and recovery. So far it's working. In pvp I just sit back BOS/AS, buff and heal. I am thinking about changing out HG though, people don't want to stay in it's radius. Granted I am only level 38 ( I know pvp changes at 60). I am hoping My support role will still fair well in pvp @ 60.
DC is a cool class it reminds me of a vanilla wow. How classes exist, I love it. Though so far I bos/as, HG,HW,FF,SB and slide around. Beats standing in one spot, though 99% of the time your groups expects you to heal, which I like.
when playing with battle oriented clerics you should be well loved, battle and healing orientated clerics still work well together in PvP at level 60 ... also, at level 60 whether you are healing orientated or not doesn't matter to the group so much, I use healing word over astral shield and having a heal does seem to make a difference but if we aren't winning in points I'll break away from everyone else in a heartbeat and go after nodes for points so unless they are keeping up points they had best not expect anyone to help them out healing/protection wise and some groups won't play in your AS even when you do have it down cause rogues and mages love dropping area of effect spells into them ... all attacks slotted as a cleric provides more offense but you have to weigh that against stuff like not having health when trying to hold nodes (unless you use potions) and team support as well as any bonuses your healing would confer onto you or others (I'm often knocked way down to virtually dead in PvP and skate and kite around casting healing word and sunburst and finding myself healed up or almost healed up a short time after, and when I die and ask for help I stand a reasonable chance of getting back to full health in the middle of combat though sometimes that involves running away)
Sorry: "to goober about" is flailing around like a cretin, and thus that sentence means, essentially, "kiting around haplessly, firing one pip's worth of soothing light into my eyes". The essence was that kiting around (haplessly or no) in a D'd astral shield has always, in my experience, been more rewarding than using soothing light on myself.
Ty!
No need to apologize. I just make a hobby of identifying regional phrases. Its a great way to go "Sherlock Homes" on people at bars- deduce their home state/country by the phrases they use. I get a huge kick outta it for example, in the US, you can tell if someone is from FL if they say, "full up the gas tank" or, "put gas in the tank" to refer to getting gas for their car.
I assume you are from Britain or Ireland? Or learned British-style English?
On topic, since the cleric is a support class you really have to rely on your team, imo. Since pugs have minimal teamwork, at best, that explains the problems are people are having with class.
Clerics simply are not built to 1v1 in pvp. Now in a 2v2 situation, or 3v3 etc, that is where clerics really shine. I have won 4v5 matches b/c of good clerics.
I hate it when rogues and control wizards play together, they are quite adept at singling out and going after clerics.
That's good team work. I love that combo, actually (CW and GWF as well). I also love GF and DC for keeping a point (or GWF and DC). Good PVP players learn to work together.
The rogue is supposed to crit you for 26k. That's why you have Divine Armor and Astral Shield, among other things. Like dodge. Not all their attacks crit for 26k, mind you.
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First let me share that no-one can kill me one vs one in most cases.
This is of course based on a same GS basis.
The downside is... I cant kill them either.
I am serious. I focus on standing at the point and keeping myself alive till reinforcement comes. If they didnt come, it will then depends on how long it takes before I finally succumb or he succumb.
For 2v2, I am confident my side will confirm win if the other side dont have a healer. Since 2 of them can nvr take down what I am healing and 2 of them cant take me down before my teammate kills the other.
If my team have 2 healers, the other team can forget about taking the point.
I dont consider myself pro but what I do:
Some ppl dont know but yellow and blue shield stacks.
Get ur defense above 2.6k.
Dodge when u see the 2 major damage thingy is coming aka ice knife and rogue knife from sky or lashing blade.
I dont use my dodge for anything else major.
You cant solo against 1 gf and 1 cw as they can kill you because gf prones u down 99% of the time.
Use divine armor.
Use divine fortune for the divinity.
Astral seal each and every enemy hero.
Time ur div sunburst.
Your priority is survival. Good teams will always aim u first.
Make them aim u cause u can last longer than rogues and cw.
Run away once the melee starts chasing you.
Use healing words cause the rest sucks.
Use smoothing light always.
Forge plays no part here.
Always get cc in ur astral circle.
Run on the line of ur astral shield when their melee is chasing you.
Best combi is imo rogue》gf》gwf》cw.
With rogue. U can make sure he dont die and he can make sure they die before u die.
With gf, he can knock them off u and increase both of ur survivability.
With gwf, well... hes a gwf.
With cw, it depends. If he dont know how to dodge, you might not be able to keep him up quick enough.
Mind you, getting top assist isn't terribly difficult: we have a ton of AoE attacks and (at least) two of our at-wills work best when spammed onto anyone you can get them on, AND we tend to be right in the middle dispensing heals and trying to persuade our team to stop us getting ganked (again). If ANYONE dies, chances are we hit them at least once.:p
(and yes, full miracle + ancients ....might help)
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baalhashmalMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 65Arc User
Are we just free kills now? As a level 60 cleric GS at about 9k, I am being 1 shot'ed by other classes. Are we viable in pvp at all or should I just stay away from pvp as a cleric?
I don't normally perform as well in PVPs, but yesterday, that changed.
After some thought, I decided to play a totally different style. Instead of just focusing purely on protecting or buffing/healing, I went with stunning, weakening, immobilizing and slowing enemies. Thus, Break the Spirit, Chains of Blazing Light and Forge master's flame were on my encounter bar, along with Divine Armor and Flame strike for dailies, Brand of the Sun and Astral Seal as at-will.
With this set up and some careful positioning as to not get caught in CC powers, using the aforementioned abilities while team mates grapple with enemy players was remarkably useful.
For the record, I played with and against decent teams winning within 100 to 200 point margins.
Cleric:Marquis Elmdore - Current Main Wizard: Iamblichus Fighter: Anna the Titan Barbarian: Anann Valkyrja Ranger: Minerva Cory'phaia Warlock: Suri Coralyne Reid
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I know, i know its very off topic (and maybe even a little rude), but i am honestly just curious. Growing up in various southern states in america i have a special fondness for local colloquialisms.
Sorry: "to goober about" is flailing around like a cretin, and thus that sentence means, essentially, "kiting around haplessly, firing one pip's worth of soothing light into my eyes". The essence was that kiting around (haplessly or no) in a D'd astral shield has always, in my experience, been more rewarding than using soothing light on myself.
its fun to kite around, sometimes you become shell shocked like in the movie Private Ryan, all dazed everything around you out of place with a complete feeling of being lost only to try to get your senses back before you are toast
its easy to always do well in PvP on a cleric if you always have a strong team backing you, though I wouldn't call such cleric play a measure of being good as a cleric
I mean with 2k++ defense we can survive in pvp, at least for defending our tower IMO(just throw anything in your mind bout killing people LOL)
ya know ah .. .
Astral shield + Hallowed Ground + 2k++ def + Divinity FF . . so WOW
I'm sorry that you are so upset. But I JUST joined X.O.X.O lastnight. Lastnight was my first, and only premade PvP match, ever. Which I have stated in countless posts.
I do well in PvP because I know how to play the DC class very well.
The build is amazing, so, with a good build, and excellent skill in the game, I am doing very well. Only gets better in a guild group.
Also, soothing light absolutely works on yourself, for the life of me i cant imagine why I "thought" it never worked. But i am using it now on myself, and my healing has just got that much better. Its amazing because of Enduring Relief. With this build, after I use DM healing, I am only healing myself for a -17%, down from -40 Righteousness.
Just because a cleric is in a premade, does not automatically mean they are going to win. You are still going to be focused, you still have to survive.
To the dude that calls me bragging. I've never bragged about anything, I'm not the type. I am confident in the class, and the build that I am using, added with my skill in the game, I am doing very well in PvP. I do not have even one of the complaints, that you guys are flooding the forums with. The only reason I am even posting on this silly forum is because i am trying to get other people to see that clerics are "not" terrible. I have met, and played with and against, many many very very good clerics on Mindflayer that are near impossible to kill 1 vs 1.
To the guy that made the comment about the rogue in my guild group. His GS is only 9.3. 3k daggers is normal for a rogue I think, maybe even a bit low compared to other geared rogues.
I posted my build on this forum
its labeled
My Post patch DC Build
Barabus The Gray
Mindflayer
X.o.X.o
Join Essence of Aggression: PVP-ing Hard Since Beta!
That's cool... it just seemed a lot to me since that's how much was actual dmg that got past defenses and I know how fast TR can throw those daggers since I got low lvl alt and I love them there :P.
Btw you don't use AS in pvp ?
Edit: link to his build: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?355351-My-post-patch-DC-Build
I always use Astral Shield in pvp, just very rarely do I waste Divine Power on it. 99% of the time its just normal Astral
DC is a cool class it reminds me of a vanilla wow. How classes exist, I love it. Though so far I bos/as, HG,HW,FF,SB and slide around. Beats standing in one spot, though 99% of the time your groups expects you to heal, which I like.
when playing with battle oriented clerics you should be well loved, battle and healing orientated clerics still work well together in PvP at level 60 ... also, at level 60 whether you are healing orientated or not doesn't matter to the group so much, I use healing word over astral shield and having a heal does seem to make a difference but if we aren't winning in points I'll break away from everyone else in a heartbeat and go after nodes for points so unless they are keeping up points they had best not expect anyone to help them out healing/protection wise and some groups won't play in your AS even when you do have it down cause rogues and mages love dropping area of effect spells into them ... all attacks slotted as a cleric provides more offense but you have to weigh that against stuff like not having health when trying to hold nodes (unless you use potions) and team support as well as any bonuses your healing would confer onto you or others (I'm often knocked way down to virtually dead in PvP and skate and kite around casting healing word and sunburst and finding myself healed up or almost healed up a short time after, and when I die and ask for help I stand a reasonable chance of getting back to full health in the middle of combat though sometimes that involves running away)
Ty!
No need to apologize. I just make a hobby of identifying regional phrases. Its a great way to go "Sherlock Homes" on people at bars- deduce their home state/country by the phrases they use. I get a huge kick outta it
I assume you are from Britain or Ireland? Or learned British-style English?
On topic, since the cleric is a support class you really have to rely on your team, imo. Since pugs have minimal teamwork, at best, that explains the problems are people are having with class.
Clerics simply are not built to 1v1 in pvp. Now in a 2v2 situation, or 3v3 etc, that is where clerics really shine. I have won 4v5 matches b/c of good clerics.
I hate it when rogues and control wizards play together, they are quite adept at singling out and going after clerics.
That's good team work. I love that combo, actually (CW and GWF as well). I also love GF and DC for keeping a point (or GWF and DC). Good PVP players learn to work together.
Join Essence of Aggression: PVP-ing Hard Since Beta!
They will get nerfed just as we did. And then CW will be next. Might be a year or so; level up your alt cleric/gf/gwf
First let me share that no-one can kill me one vs one in most cases.
This is of course based on a same GS basis.
The downside is... I cant kill them either.
I am serious. I focus on standing at the point and keeping myself alive till reinforcement comes. If they didnt come, it will then depends on how long it takes before I finally succumb or he succumb.
For 2v2, I am confident my side will confirm win if the other side dont have a healer. Since 2 of them can nvr take down what I am healing and 2 of them cant take me down before my teammate kills the other.
If my team have 2 healers, the other team can forget about taking the point.
I dont consider myself pro but what I do:
Some ppl dont know but yellow and blue shield stacks.
Get ur defense above 2.6k.
Dodge when u see the 2 major damage thingy is coming aka ice knife and rogue knife from sky or lashing blade.
I dont use my dodge for anything else major.
You cant solo against 1 gf and 1 cw as they can kill you because gf prones u down 99% of the time.
Use divine armor.
Use divine fortune for the divinity.
Astral seal each and every enemy hero.
Time ur div sunburst.
Your priority is survival. Good teams will always aim u first.
Make them aim u cause u can last longer than rogues and cw.
Run away once the melee starts chasing you.
Use healing words cause the rest sucks.
Use smoothing light always.
Forge plays no part here.
Always get cc in ur astral circle.
Run on the line of ur astral shield when their melee is chasing you.
Best combi is imo rogue》gf》gwf》cw.
With rogue. U can make sure he dont die and he can make sure they die before u die.
With gf, he can knock them off u and increase both of ur survivability.
With gwf, well... hes a gwf.
With cw, it depends. If he dont know how to dodge, you might not be able to keep him up quick enough.
Do this and I guaranteed you 100% top assist.
I am 10.5k gs full miracle with ancients though.
(and yes, full miracle + ancients ....might help)
I don't normally perform as well in PVPs, but yesterday, that changed.
After some thought, I decided to play a totally different style. Instead of just focusing purely on protecting or buffing/healing, I went with stunning, weakening, immobilizing and slowing enemies. Thus, Break the Spirit, Chains of Blazing Light and Forge master's flame were on my encounter bar, along with Divine Armor and Flame strike for dailies, Brand of the Sun and Astral Seal as at-will.
With this set up and some careful positioning as to not get caught in CC powers, using the aforementioned abilities while team mates grapple with enemy players was remarkably useful.
For the record, I played with and against decent teams winning within 100 to 200 point margins.
Cleric: Marquis Elmdore - Current Main
Wizard: Iamblichus
Fighter: Anna the Titan
Barbarian: Anann Valkyrja
Ranger: Minerva Cory'phaia
Warlock: Suri Coralyne Reid
Guild: She Looked Level 18.
Alliance: Imperium
Im calling bull**** on 2,6k+ defense with 10,5k GS though in pvp - would like to know how you achieve this
only possible in PvE with stone/cat or if you switch out your ancient set (you said you wear miracle + ancient)