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zardoz007
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I got kicked again from a CN group by my own guildmates today, because they forgot I was a GWF and I wanted to go to CN.
So yeah GWF are obviously not fixed if players still refuse to bring them to Castle Never. it is just not fair that we have such a hard time finding a CN group and usuelly when I do they are just ring farming.
So I ask the player base now, Do GWF have a party role in CN? Do they contribute anything to the party that cannot be done by another class?
So yeah GWF are obviously not fixed if players still refuse to bring them to Castle Never. it is just not fair that we have such a hard time finding a CN group and usuelly when I do they are just ring farming.
So I ask the player base now, Do GWF have a party role in CN? Do they contribute anything to the party that cannot be done by another class?
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This is just wrong. Trying to kill a Spell Plague Spawning Pit by himself almost makes my GWF want to cut himself. Trying to kill bosses without a TR is depressingly long.
The last patch made GWF better, but there still needs to be a few more changes before we're considered as viable as some of the other classes. Fixing Sprint seems like a big one.
If I have 2 CW's that know how to knock perfectly, I don't care what the 5th class is (assuming 1TR & 1DC).
We've run with everything in the last spot and it largely doesn't make a difference as long as the core 4 know what they're doing.
In terms of Aoe dps: GF > GWF > CW > TR
Now you know why people don't prefer taking GWFs, however, they are still very viable. Honestly, Cleric, 3 CW, GF is the best party possible.
(You don't need any tanks in this game)
Yeah if you get kicked by your own guild members it's time to find another guild.
Not sure what game you are playing but I've done all the dungeons and I'm gear capped completely. I have never been beaten in dps by any class as a TR. Ever. A GWF is very useful for gathering up adds with the CW and face tanking the group. But dps wise, not even close.
Really? You must play with some terrible TR's then. Don't get me wrong, GF dps is pretty solid. Too good for a tank in fact. The damage a GF does SHOULD be the damage a GWF does. But saying that a GF out dps' a TR is false. I run CN at least 3-5 times a day (Try to anyway, usually 2-3), and I'm always a few million ahead of the GF. The problem is that the TR is a popular class, which means it has a lot of players. Some of those players know how to maximize dps, but the majority do not. A good TR will always out dps a good GF. However, a good GF will out dps a bad TR. The GF dps needs to be brought down anyway considering the shear amount of survival they have. Having the second best dps, highest mitigations, and the most hps is not a balanced class.
Yes this does mean that one of each class is off the table with the current class balance. Not that you can't bring all 5, but it will be sub-optimal.
Fact is that Conqueror GF is kinda powerful, they have great survivality and huge front cone AoE damage, while having also group buffs and now good threat that allows them to actually be able to manage agro. The front cone AoE united to Plaguefire enchants makes us do a gazillion damage and be really close to TRs by the end of dungeons, but still TR single target DPS is ABSOLUTELY needed to finish T2 and OBV CN.
GWF otoh...Yeah, they're now better, more fun to play, and can do a huge ton of AoE dmg, single target dmg and some CC, but the problem they have is... there are really really few good players on GWF, poorly specced, weirdly equiped, most players dont know how to play their role (trying to out tank the tank or out rogue the rogues aint good), because let's be honest here, most people wwho arent experienced in MMOs but like fantasy games just "pick the warrior of the huge sword".
I love to have a good player on a good GWF toon... but those are few.
PvP balance issues aside, because PvP seems like a lost cause in this game, GWFers need more damage. They need a bit more damage on single targets and they need a lot more AoE damage. Given that TRs are almost totally single target, CWs have a lot more control over mobs (both single and group) than GWFers ever could and that they are ranged, it seems only fair that GWFs be the undisputed kings of AoE damage. A baseline damage bonus (not penalty) for hitting more than 1 target, the removal of the target cap, and a buffing of the at-wills would certainly help DPS GWFs contribute to groups like they are supposed to, by making things die faster, and contribute at the same level as the other 2 DPS classes. The tank spec needs more threat for sure, and probably some other changes as well, but I think threat is their primary concern.
Bottom line, GWFs need to be made actually GOOD at whatever they spec as, either DPS or tank, not this current state of ultra halfhearted garbage.
So I'll be back if the GWF gets some good party buffs, So parties really really want a GWF's buffs like they want a clerics Astral shield
Or Is given knock powers on par with the CW so they can play the add game too
Or Adds in the game are universally nerfed so CW's are not needed to fling enemies off cliffs and DPSing adds down can actuall be done during boss fights, I'm looking at you FH and CN
It's not hard to Be leagues beyond the horrible sate teh GWF used to be in. But it still has no function in a group. Currently I look at the poll here and Only 5 people voted for I think GWF is an essential member of the group..... So HOW? ar ethey essential? what do they do that is not essily replaced by another class in Castle Never? GWF are only good at fighting things weaker than themselves that cant really hurt them. But even a GWF in full Titan set and standing in AS can get overwhelmed by the adds in CN and killed if the wizards are not throuwing the mobs off cliffs.
And that is the GWFs best trait now survivability, but it brings nothing to the group so other players really dont want a GWF when they need wizards to throw things off cliffs, Clerics to heal, and Rogues to kill bosses. Maybe a GF to tank if they dont have enough wizards to keep mobs of the cleric and rogue.
I look at the polls and see 45% of people that say No to GWF being in a group and it only takes one party member to leave a group to destroy your party. So how long does it take to weed out 45% of the gaming comunity that does not like a class just so you can have a party. And that party may be doomed to fail because they are ignoreant as to why poeple dont take GWFS to CN in the first place.
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Basically, the only appealing thing about GWFs is how they could reliably DPS while at the same time protecting their party mates, or making up for their deficiencies. Take that away, and you are basically a rogue or CW wannabe. And you will never be better than them at what they do.
That's funny. Before the patch that nerfed TRs I was playing with literally the best geared rogues with the highest dps and I was still outdpsing by 5-10M on CN. On Draco I would get behind 500k and now they got nerfed (on top of this, my single target gear - non stalwart - was **** at the time).
Honestly, dps GF has always been op. People either build wrong or play it wrong.
Right now TRs might be SLIGHTLY ahead in single target, but in AoE they get absolutely crushed. I average 40-60k dps in CN and peak 150-200k.
A lot of CWs are **** and don't use the infinite blackhole spec correctly. AoE dps is still needed, it's just GWF lacks too much single target.