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High Vizier Set BIS Next Patch?
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I decided to do some testing on the PTR to investigate High Vizier since I was able to pick up the whole set for about 200k on live. I initially intended to simply find out which control abilities don't contribute to the stacks (Chill Strike and Icy Terrain) and if there's any obvious way to easily maintain 3 stacks on a boss (there isn't).
It seems like what the set is actually doing is increasing your defence by 450 per stack (this is stated) and reducing the target mitigation by 10% per stack (this is not stated). This means that keeping a 3 stack on any given target is actually equivalent to having Ray of Enfeeblement up permanently, as it functions as a mitigation reduction and not an armor penetration mechanic, and that the enemy does not need to actually have any mitigation for it to work.
The icing on the cake is that the set also gets me up to 2k defense (an increase of 10% mitigation), something that might be particularly useful since, as anyone who has tried to do PvE on the PTR knows, CW will most likely have agro on everything.
It's also evidently the best group-setting set as its hard to turn down a 30% mitigation debuff that your entire party can utilize, especially since Shadow Weaver is getting nerfed to borderline uselessness (30% crit severity with a 20% uptime?).
It should, in theory, be possible to stack up -100% mitigation on any one target (boss or PVP) even after the nerf to ray. Something to think about. Curious if anyone else has any ideas on how to build for PVP/PVE next patch and if this set might be the way to do it.
It seems like what the set is actually doing is increasing your defence by 450 per stack (this is stated) and reducing the target mitigation by 10% per stack (this is not stated). This means that keeping a 3 stack on any given target is actually equivalent to having Ray of Enfeeblement up permanently, as it functions as a mitigation reduction and not an armor penetration mechanic, and that the enemy does not need to actually have any mitigation for it to work.
The icing on the cake is that the set also gets me up to 2k defense (an increase of 10% mitigation), something that might be particularly useful since, as anyone who has tried to do PvE on the PTR knows, CW will most likely have agro on everything.
It's also evidently the best group-setting set as its hard to turn down a 30% mitigation debuff that your entire party can utilize, especially since Shadow Weaver is getting nerfed to borderline uselessness (30% crit severity with a 20% uptime?).
It should, in theory, be possible to stack up -100% mitigation on any one target (boss or PVP) even after the nerf to ray. Something to think about. Curious if anyone else has any ideas on how to build for PVP/PVE next patch and if this set might be the way to do it.
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The set has some kind of awkward ICD. If you watch the stacks you'll see what I mean. As far as I am aware it is not possible to actually keep up Shadow Weaver 100% of the time, not even close.
EDIT: It seems possible to keep it up on dummies. I wonder what causes it to stop working in dungeons randomly.
EDIT2: Nevermind, was able to replicate it on dummies. It seems if you let the stacks fall off for a second or two it won't let you reapply them for quite a while.
EDIT3: Image of the bug here: Click
I am not sure about calling them BIS, but still very much up there in terms of value.
It all depends what's going to end up on the live servers after the update. Based on notes, Astral Shield is nerfed dramatically, and threat/aggro is being distributed on the whole party. Prioritizing stats for CW with these changes wont be the same. It will be a mistake to go all out offensive stats.
wow you got a point, I barely notice the vizier buff being CONTROL power only, oops, well its so much OPriced now, but I guess the fix to weaver makes all these 3 t2 armors more viable and diff according to playstyle, hate when people argue which is better than which. AND I think magelord would be popular too when they change the POWER stat to something better than stacking arpen stats
Chill Strike, especially on TAB, stacks 3x the set bonus of Vizier. So that's 1340defense every time you use Chill Strike, not to mention the debuff you throw on all the targets you are hitting.
When EF is in tab, like in CN or Spellplague, then you also have Icy Terrain, which will also give you 3x the set bonus of Vizier. I just came out of CN right now. all bosses, including Dracolich were a 1 shot attempt. No wipes, no double Astral Shields, 29mil damage. Love my vizier.
Weirder than that, I picked up all the bits for sub 100k per part, other than the feet, which were 180k or so. I shall refrain from foot fetishist jokes
I have the set in the bank though, along with some nice rings and a neck, and passable MH and OH. Still need gemmed pants and shirt, and I am good to go, adding enchants as they drop/drops sell so I can afford them more easily. My little CW won't be 60 until after the patch drops as I will be away until the day after, but I suppose I will give any launch rush/infrastructure panic time to die down a bit
Stats look nice, bonus is looking really nice from that you guys are posting, I am looking forward to seeing it in action.
Just something to think about!
That's just to much mitigation in my opinion... and is not even stated in the item set bonus!
Currently only Chill Strike and Icy Terrain proc the Vizier bonus. And when it procs, it is 3x stacks what the tooltip states.
I thought EF also proc'd it? Are you sure it is only those two spells? And always 3 stacks regardless of spell mastery?
I tested the damage with and without the set bonus.
Magic Missile deals 700 damage to test dummy without the set buff.
Then when the set bonus triggers, the same magic missile deals 500 damage.
And I'm seeing a brutal decrease in damage in other powers too, like steal time critting for 3500 damage with the High Vizier's set, while with the gladiator set it could crit for 5500 damage.
The sets are still bugged on Live. No one is arguing that it is better than the currently bugged Shadow weaver. It's more of PTS findings.
And yes, my bad, EF does trigger it. You get 3x stacks all the time, except with Chill Strike if it is not in Mastery.
Also.its bugged in live, it GIVEs the enemies more defense, and you too. rather than decreasing their defense, its the 4-set bonus of liability. Soon should change, i grabbed my full high vizier for only 100k total. now the prices have rocketed.
Shadow weaver grants 30% crit severity, and some life steal for melee members (close range) of your target.
High vizier, grants 20-25% extra damage for anyone hitting the target you effected.
I think its up to yourself to decide what is best, and what isnt. Shadowweaver offers more crit, alot more. 2k-ish. High vizier offers more power and recovery but no crit at all.
I think it depends how high you can raise your crit/recovery/arp outside of these sets, to determine what would be most effective.
for damage i would go arp and take vizier because it doesnt have a range penalty,
For group, i dont know. shadoweaver can help rogue/gwf/gf with survivability and give them better crits.
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Also how does it work in an AOE setting? So far people say that Chillstrike on TAB gives 3 stacks. So if you hit 5 targets, do you get 15 stacks of 450 defence?
Chill Strike on TAB = 3x
Icy Terrain on multiple targets = 3 stacks
EF on TAB = 3 stacks
It actually lasts 6 seconds which is pretty nice. So with just Chill Strike, you can pretty much have 80% uptime.
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Yeah, this would be the case if the set bonuses did what they said. The fact that Shadow Weaver randomly locks itself out of applying stacks for long periods of time is a serious issue. I'm unsure what the actual uptime is in a real dungeon since there is no reliable way to test.
On top of that, getting up stacks after the patch might actually be difficult - I'm not sure Conduit is going to apply multiple stacks per cast any more as it has been changed to a DOT mechanic. AOE should still be a safe way to build them up but do we have a non-control AOE that is worth using?
High Vizier has a similar issue with trying to maximize stacks, although the usage of spells like Entangling/Shield/Steal Time/Repel is fairly common already, and you only really need to maintain one set of stacks (as opposed to two with Shadow Weaver).
I use sudden storm to build my shadow weave stacks.
What exactly does this
"Magic Missile deals 698 (537)"
mean? A total damage of 698 + 537 = 1235? Is the first number the basic MM damage or is there something added to it? What does the number in parenthesis mean?
A second thing I wanna ask is:
How do you know which effects are active on a target? As far as I know you can't "Alt -> mouse hover" over the symbols on enemies like on yourself to see the effect name, duration and such.
I'm interested in picking up a set, but since the price has increased I would like to know which of these skills works first if anyone has tested them all.
Yes: Shield, Choke, Steal Time, Repel
No: Icy Terrain (sucks i use this in my main cc rotation, its definitely control)
Untested: Rest
Also tried some dailies, none seem to proc it.. Blackhole is like the ultimate control so odd it doesn't.
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