I've learned my lesson. Cryptic/PWE now join EA on my blacklist of company's I won't ever buy from again. I've already told all my buddies I won't be playing BF4 as much as I was stoked about it, after Sim City Im done with EA.
After this pile of horse dung I'm done with Cryptic/EA.
If I treated Neverwinter as a primary MMO, I'd probably be in your boat and just as POed.
Instead I treat it as a means of being creative in the Foundry. My main is still level 15 (went straight to the Foundry), lol, as I have no interest in progressing until the game reaches some reasonable point of development. So from my viewpoint and enjoyment of it so far, I'm still waiting for bug fixes with the Foundry, the glaring issue of Foundry quests having no music when they're published, unbalanced mob level scaling, no real end-game content except community-created quests, and exploits galore.
I don't have much faith in Cryptic after STO and CO, but at least I can enjoy a more casual approach. So in short, I certainly don't blame you for your rage.
When a game starts taking real money for in game items. I would say it's not beta anymore. Even though it has the beta tag, it is really no beta.
Beta would mean they would wipe out all the progress everyone has done, collected all the results and changed what needed to be changed and start fresh again with either a Beta V2 or a Release of the game itself.
However, because they are accepting money they are kinda stuck with the game as is and can only improve upon it from here on out, aka "no going back"
THE OP concerns are legit, you have to put aside the BETA blinders and look at is as a release.
QQ more plz. How do you expect them to do it all instantly?
It's understandable that fixes take time. I don't think anyone expects updates to occur instantly. However, things like guardian block should have been hotfixed like yesterday. Stuff like that.
As a GWF I understand things take time been playing since I pretty got the email saying "NOW IN OPEN BETA" and remade and playing both DC and CW as well before picking exactly how to make my GWF and what class just deleted my lvl 42 GWF Dwarf for my lvl 38 half-orc GWF.
if you rushed to 60 too **** bad. I read the state of game on the news feed and that is enough for me I know it is coming but I don't expect everything NOW!
and yes if you think this cash shop had items added to at a bad pace you didn't play scarlet blade where the lvl cap was 29 forever from CB into OB and every patch they added a new cash shop event or item, they finally raised the cap top 34 a whole 5 lvls or 4 for most since a lot of people were sitting right on the cusp of hitting 30. I deleted the game when I saw their announcement because it isn't nearly enough at least here you have 60 levels to play through. I play off and on most of the day sometimes I do lock myself in foundry creation......but if you rushed that is your fault......I love people who believe because they can spend hours upon hours in front of comp and they get 60 it means there should be constant stuff for them to do even if the game just came out.
I have spent about $160 dollars on zen and love seeing bug fixes small or not they are there....they might not be everything I want to see but as long as they are there I know they are working on stuff
one more thing Scarlet blade is open beta no more wipes after CB and they take money too GET OVER IT this is NORMAL
THE OP concerns are legit, you have to put aside the BETA blinders and look at is as a release.
In terms of bug fixes: yes. In terms of content: no. You can't expect a developer to magically add a ton of content to a game right before it's launch, or even right after its launch. But you can certainly expect reasonable patches every week, which we don't have yet.
Pretty sure there hasn't been a game release in the past year,with a cash shop option, that has been even remotely not centered on that aspect alone. Pretty much why I'm waiting for a release that doesn't include one but there is really no real reason you have to utilize it so yea. Just take it in and play. If it's not fixed in time there will be something else eventually.
If I treated Neverwinter as a primary MMO, I'd probably be in your boat and just as POed.
Instead I treat it as a means of being creative in the Foundry. My main is still level 15 (went straight to the Foundry), lol, as I have no interest in progressing until the game reaches some reasonable point of development. So from my viewpoint and enjoyment of it so far, I'm still waiting for bug fixes with the Foundry, the glaring issue of Foundry quests having no music when they're published, unbalanced mob level scaling, no real end-game content except community-created quests, and exploits galore.
I don't have much faith in Cryptic after STO and CO, but at least I can enjoy a more casual approach. So in short, I certainly don't blame you for your rage.
Well that was always my intention anyways. I knew this game wouldn't be my "daily go-to MMO" wherein I logged 40 hrs a week playing.
I'm a huge D&D buff, I run a campaign out of my house quasi-weekly. I have been authoring D&D content for over 20 years. I publish my modules and delves to the gaming community here in Austin, TX and San Diego, CA (my job has me in Austin half the year) and people really like what I create and come up with.
I had every intention of pushing out Foundry content. I love creating adventures for people. But 2 weeks into 'release' I had lost all desire once I saw the direction this community, and game were going.
The warcraft crowd in this game is going to drive all those that were willing to publish foundry content away.. Eventually the only thing left will be the self-centered, warcraft generation type players.
I've lost all hope for this game at this point. I haven't played in over 2 weeks.. I feel any time invested at this point is just wasted.
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nullwolf1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I deleted the game when I saw their announcement...
I deleted it when I saw that the story line for both factions was the same. -_- Though my girlfriend and I agreed we liked the character models. LOL
Warframe, a non-MMO is Open Beta and taking money as well. (They offered a voluntary reset, but no wiping.)
I love Neverwinter. I'm looking forward to new content, but like that they're fixing their bugs too. Some bugs just take time to figure out how to fix without opening another exploit or breaking something else.
I would think making a class is a lot more difficult then some store items.
Oh but it's not. Don't you know the whole dev team is involved in created an item for the Zen store? For example the green version of an existing companion they recently added to the Adventures Friend thing. I'm sure that took them a week to design and code. MAYBE MORE!
I deleted it when I saw that the story line for both factions was the same. -_- Though my girlfriend and I agreed we liked the character models. LOL
Warframe, a non-MMO is Open Beta and taking money as well. (They offered a voluntary reset, but no wiping.)
I love Neverwinter. I'm looking forward to new content, but like that they're fixing their bugs too. Some bugs just take time to figure out how to fix without opening another exploit or breaking something else.
LOL I know what you mean that almost did it but I like the game and I was waiting for other I.E. this one being one so I played it
I doubt they make zen items "on time", I rather say it was premade and stay hidden till now
All of the 'new' companions were available in the zen store during CB...
A world to defend
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
Oh but it's not. Don't you know the whole dev team is involved in created an item for the Zen store? For example the green version of an existing companion they recently added to the Adventures Friend thing. I'm sure that took them a week to design and code. MAYBE MORE!
This is bad, the fact that these stupid zen shop items take devs away from development is going to kill this gamr.
I don't see tangible results at all, all I see are garbage patches that are exploit fixes. NO NEW CONTENT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE GAME, except stupid cash shop stuff.
Add that to the list
- LOWER zen prices immediately.
Then someone comes in behind you and says, "Why are you adding new content to the game when there are STILL BUGS? FIX THE **** BUGS CRYPTIC and THEN maybe we'll talk about new content. GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT!!!"
Basically they can't win with impatient whiners like yourself on either side of the fence.
Also after looking at your post history I'm thinking you're a miserable shill from NCSoft or something. Go back and tell your employer what a dinosaur they are. You do realize all this accomplishes is mutually assured negative appearances, right? Everybody making everybody look bad? Isn't that stupid? Yes they give you a paycheck, blah, blah blah; so go back to your publisher's forums and make fake posts about how much fun those games are. Positive feedback is far more effective in a world where negative feedback is as common and valuable as weeds. Positive feedback sticks out like sweet roses. Stop wasting away, these days a shill just looks like another sugared-up ADHD kid, no one listens to either of you.
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[SIGPIC]Captain Electric and the Sapien Spider[/SIGPIC]
This is bad, the fact that these stupid zen shop items take devs away from development is going to kill this gamr.
Not great on sarcasm I take it?
A world to defend
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
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nullwolf1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I don't see tangible results at all, all I see are garbage patches that are exploit fixes. NO NEW CONTENT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE GAME, except stupid cash shop stuff.
Add that to the list
- LOWER zen prices immediately.
Skip game and go back to school. You have no right to whine or complain about a beta game that was 100% free to begin with. You are entitled to nothing.
D&D is what brought me to even play this game. I was a huge fan of D&D Online, AND then the content stopped and thus the player base dropped, servers merged and made it F2P.
They are really doing the same thing here just starting out F2P with a low quanity of servers.
At least they did not make mistakes like SWtor thing that everyone and their mom would join up put up 100+ servers and find out that only 100-200 people average where on the servers at one time, causing epic failure in terms of server community.
As I do not have any money invested in this game and only my time, we will see how it goes, I waste my time shame on me, But I would be a fool to put a dime into this game just yet.
This is why I am ALL for and beg for Sub based games, money is the #1 issue in MMORPG no matter how good or horrible the content developers are they don't come cheap.
But I do have to say the Foundry stuff is very unique, I don't dabble there too much because I feel it really takes you "out of the game" so to speak but I have found a couple story based classic D&D ones.
Remindes me more of Team Fotress Classic Maps, there was even a jump map I found very odd, I mean it was well done but just not the type of place I would expect it.
Now they have chests that can attack - classic D&D, Traps again very classic
Skip game and go back to school. You have no right to whine or complain about a beta game that was 100% free to begin with. You are entitled to nothing.
It's a beta: expect bugs, not incompetency.
It's free: this means it's free, not that it is immune to negative feedback
You butcher the term "entitled" and use it as an excuse, your attitude is the cancer that is killing gaming. Simple as that. And you only end up looking like a stooge or a shill.
You've added nothing to this thread. Whereas the player you replied to at least gave honest feedback.
Really sucks when people expect you to actually be competent at your job.
By whose barometer? Yours? Mine? The shill's? When the first two or three of PWE's quarterly reports are out which include Neverwinter, we can have this discussion.
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[SIGPIC]Captain Electric and the Sapien Spider[/SIGPIC]
Are you kidding me? It's been a month since OB started. GW2 didn't get any new content for 4+ months.
And Cryptic has already indicated a new zone, class, dungeons and PvP/PvE raid.
And bug fix after bug fix and more internal testing is better than rushing content.
exactly this....they would complain if this content came out and was unplayable because of bugs its been a month if u are bored it is your fault been playing since the day I got the email pretty much and still don't have a 60
Oh but it's not. Don't you know the whole dev team is involved in created an item for the Zen store? For example the green version of an existing companion they recently added to the Adventures Friend thing. I'm sure that took them a week to design and code. MAYBE MORE!
This is bad, the fact that these stupid zen shop items take devs away from development is going to kill this gamr.
It's free: this means it's free, not that it is immune to negative feedback
You butcher the term "entitled" and use it as an excuse, your attitude is the cancer that is killing gaming. Simple as that. And you only end up looking like a stooge or a shill.
You've added nothing to this thread. Whereas the player you replied to at least gave honest feedback.
Agreed. o.o
Some people really need a life. Like seriously? Flaming over comments/suggestions? I swear people pick out posts and attempt to flame at it because they can. If you seriously have to arguing every valid point. You need to go to your local psychiatrist as you require it.
As for the thread. I too agree we need more content. Also, these T2 dungeons need ad nerfs. Less ads. >_> It isn't fun to kill millions of ADs it is fun however killing a hard boss. Hard boss doesn't = more ads.
The warcraft crowd in this game is going to drive all those that were willing to publish foundry content away.. Eventually the only thing left will be the self-centered, warcraft generation type players.
I wouldn't blame those people. When the devs start pulling you must do 4 foundry missions to complete your daily quest people are going to focus more on getting it done than enjoying the story.
This is the third incarnation of the foundry.
1. Mission Architect in CoH
2. Holodeck STO
3. Foundry
Each time players warned the developers of what would happen and each time the devs ignored them. Ok Ok, if your a Cryptic Dev you treat players like some sort of sub human rabid creature, or a fawning lapdog, it's not like you are going to take advice from either.
The KICKER is each time the exact same problems came up. So not only won't they listen to the players (Kind of a given). They can't even listen to history and learn from past mistakes.
Really if you do things the same way you did them before it's insanity to expect radically different results.
By whose barometer? Yours? Mine? The shill's? When the first two or three of PWE's quarterly reports are out which include Neverwinter, we can have this discussion.
With a CoH fanboy ? from what I saw of those forums everyone of you was a venture capitalist, lawyer and forensic accountant.*
I will give you +1 for trying to deflect, but I am sure Evony made loads of money by luring people in and fleecing them soundly. I wouldn't call it's creators competent developers either.
*If you are to dense** to get it, I had never seen any of the fanboys look at the numbers or graphs for CoH and admit it was doing pretty **** poorly. That is despite the fact that it was shut down. You can't argue with that kind of circle jerker.
** being impervium you should be exceptionally dense.
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creepingswordMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2013
All one needs to do is look at the patch notes posts of other mmo's free or not to get the impression that this game just does not have much of a live staff of devs on it.
And if you argue that it's a beta it works against you as games that go live normally trim staff or put them on expansions so if this is really a beta it should have more changes tweaks and tuning than a live game.
People can argue semantics all day long but to me this game feels abandoned.
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If I treated Neverwinter as a primary MMO, I'd probably be in your boat and just as POed.
Instead I treat it as a means of being creative in the Foundry. My main is still level 15 (went straight to the Foundry), lol, as I have no interest in progressing until the game reaches some reasonable point of development. So from my viewpoint and enjoyment of it so far, I'm still waiting for bug fixes with the Foundry, the glaring issue of Foundry quests having no music when they're published, unbalanced mob level scaling, no real end-game content except community-created quests, and exploits galore.
I don't have much faith in Cryptic after STO and CO, but at least I can enjoy a more casual approach. So in short, I certainly don't blame you for your rage.
Hammerfist Clan. Jump into the Night: NW-DMXWRYTAD
They're testing the ban feature. Sheesh kids these days.
yep. /this
Quest Title: Don't "Count" on it - Ch. 1
Short Code: NW-DQ3H4MXKG
Duration: 15-20 minutes
DAILY FOUNDRY ELIGIBLE? Yes!
Beta would mean they would wipe out all the progress everyone has done, collected all the results and changed what needed to be changed and start fresh again with either a Beta V2 or a Release of the game itself.
However, because they are accepting money they are kinda stuck with the game as is and can only improve upon it from here on out, aka "no going back"
THE OP concerns are legit, you have to put aside the BETA blinders and look at is as a release.
It's understandable that fixes take time. I don't think anyone expects updates to occur instantly. However, things like guardian block should have been hotfixed like yesterday. Stuff like that.
if you rushed to 60 too **** bad. I read the state of game on the news feed and that is enough for me I know it is coming but I don't expect everything NOW!
and yes if you think this cash shop had items added to at a bad pace you didn't play scarlet blade where the lvl cap was 29 forever from CB into OB and every patch they added a new cash shop event or item, they finally raised the cap top 34 a whole 5 lvls or 4 for most since a lot of people were sitting right on the cusp of hitting 30. I deleted the game when I saw their announcement because it isn't nearly enough at least here you have 60 levels to play through. I play off and on most of the day sometimes I do lock myself in foundry creation......but if you rushed that is your fault......I love people who believe because they can spend hours upon hours in front of comp and they get 60 it means there should be constant stuff for them to do even if the game just came out.
I have spent about $160 dollars on zen and love seeing bug fixes small or not they are there....they might not be everything I want to see but as long as they are there I know they are working on stuff
one more thing Scarlet blade is open beta no more wipes after CB and they take money too GET OVER IT this is NORMAL
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Agreed. Open beta is just a label, an excuse for this.
In terms of bug fixes: yes. In terms of content: no. You can't expect a developer to magically add a ton of content to a game right before it's launch, or even right after its launch. But you can certainly expect reasonable patches every week, which we don't have yet.
Hammerfist Clan. Jump into the Night: NW-DMXWRYTAD
Well that was always my intention anyways. I knew this game wouldn't be my "daily go-to MMO" wherein I logged 40 hrs a week playing.
I'm a huge D&D buff, I run a campaign out of my house quasi-weekly. I have been authoring D&D content for over 20 years. I publish my modules and delves to the gaming community here in Austin, TX and San Diego, CA (my job has me in Austin half the year) and people really like what I create and come up with.
I had every intention of pushing out Foundry content. I love creating adventures for people. But 2 weeks into 'release' I had lost all desire once I saw the direction this community, and game were going.
The warcraft crowd in this game is going to drive all those that were willing to publish foundry content away.. Eventually the only thing left will be the self-centered, warcraft generation type players.
I've lost all hope for this game at this point. I haven't played in over 2 weeks.. I feel any time invested at this point is just wasted.
I deleted it when I saw that the story line for both factions was the same. -_- Though my girlfriend and I agreed we liked the character models. LOL
Warframe, a non-MMO is Open Beta and taking money as well. (They offered a voluntary reset, but no wiping.)
I love Neverwinter. I'm looking forward to new content, but like that they're fixing their bugs too. Some bugs just take time to figure out how to fix without opening another exploit or breaking something else.
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
Oh but it's not. Don't you know the whole dev team is involved in created an item for the Zen store? For example the green version of an existing companion they recently added to the Adventures Friend thing. I'm sure that took them a week to design and code. MAYBE MORE!
LOL I know what you mean that almost did it but I like the game and I was waiting for other I.E. this one being one so I played it
Character handle:@skylia120410
(www.gwfnw.weebly.com)
GWF GUIDE SITE: Still being worked on not 60 yet
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All of the 'new' companions were available in the zen store during CB...
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
This is bad, the fact that these stupid zen shop items take devs away from development is going to kill this gamr.
Then someone comes in behind you and says, "Why are you adding new content to the game when there are STILL BUGS? FIX THE **** BUGS CRYPTIC and THEN maybe we'll talk about new content. GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT!!!"
Basically they can't win with impatient whiners like yourself on either side of the fence.
Also after looking at your post history I'm thinking you're a miserable shill from NCSoft or something. Go back and tell your employer what a dinosaur they are. You do realize all this accomplishes is mutually assured negative appearances, right? Everybody making everybody look bad? Isn't that stupid? Yes they give you a paycheck, blah, blah blah; so go back to your publisher's forums and make fake posts about how much fun those games are. Positive feedback is far more effective in a world where negative feedback is as common and valuable as weeds. Positive feedback sticks out like sweet roses. Stop wasting away, these days a shill just looks like another sugared-up ADHD kid, no one listens to either of you.
[SIGPIC]Captain Electric and the Sapien Spider[/SIGPIC]
"YES, PLEASE"
Vote YES for the Foundry in Champions Online.
@Captain-Electric | CoH/Virtue veteran | Proud new Champion
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
Really sucks when people expect you to actually be competent at your job.
Skip game and go back to school. You have no right to whine or complain about a beta game that was 100% free to begin with. You are entitled to nothing.
They are really doing the same thing here just starting out F2P with a low quanity of servers.
At least they did not make mistakes like SWtor thing that everyone and their mom would join up put up 100+ servers and find out that only 100-200 people average where on the servers at one time, causing epic failure in terms of server community.
As I do not have any money invested in this game and only my time, we will see how it goes, I waste my time shame on me, But I would be a fool to put a dime into this game just yet.
This is why I am ALL for and beg for Sub based games, money is the #1 issue in MMORPG no matter how good or horrible the content developers are they don't come cheap.
But I do have to say the Foundry stuff is very unique, I don't dabble there too much because I feel it really takes you "out of the game" so to speak but I have found a couple story based classic D&D ones.
Remindes me more of Team Fotress Classic Maps, there was even a jump map I found very odd, I mean it was well done but just not the type of place I would expect it.
Now they have chests that can attack - classic D&D, Traps again very classic
It's a beta: expect bugs, not incompetency.
It's free: this means it's free, not that it is immune to negative feedback
You butcher the term "entitled" and use it as an excuse, your attitude is the cancer that is killing gaming. Simple as that. And you only end up looking like a stooge or a shill.
You've added nothing to this thread. Whereas the player you replied to at least gave honest feedback.
By whose barometer? Yours? Mine? The shill's? When the first two or three of PWE's quarterly reports are out which include Neverwinter, we can have this discussion.
[SIGPIC]Captain Electric and the Sapien Spider[/SIGPIC]
"YES, PLEASE"
Vote YES for the Foundry in Champions Online.
@Captain-Electric | CoH/Virtue veteran | Proud new Champion
And Cryptic has already indicated a new zone, class, dungeons and PvP/PvE raid.
And bug fix after bug fix and more internal testing is better than rushing content.
exactly this....they would complain if this content came out and was unplayable because of bugs its been a month if u are bored it is your fault been playing since the day I got the email pretty much and still don't have a 60
Character handle:@skylia120410
(www.gwfnw.weebly.com)
GWF GUIDE SITE: Still being worked on not 60 yet
Divine Misfits (one of the Guild Leaders)(Guild Site Manager)
www.divinemisfits.guildlaunch.com
This is bad, the fact that these stupid zen shop items take devs away from development is going to kill this gamr.
Agreed. o.o
Some people really need a life. Like seriously? Flaming over comments/suggestions? I swear people pick out posts and attempt to flame at it because they can. If you seriously have to arguing every valid point. You need to go to your local psychiatrist as you require it.
As for the thread. I too agree we need more content. Also, these T2 dungeons need ad nerfs. Less ads. >_> It isn't fun to kill millions of ADs it is fun however killing a hard boss. Hard boss doesn't = more ads.
I wouldn't blame those people. When the devs start pulling you must do 4 foundry missions to complete your daily quest people are going to focus more on getting it done than enjoying the story.
This is the third incarnation of the foundry.
1. Mission Architect in CoH
2. Holodeck STO
3. Foundry
Each time players warned the developers of what would happen and each time the devs ignored them. Ok Ok, if your a Cryptic Dev you treat players like some sort of sub human rabid creature, or a fawning lapdog, it's not like you are going to take advice from either.
The KICKER is each time the exact same problems came up. So not only won't they listen to the players (Kind of a given). They can't even listen to history and learn from past mistakes.
Really if you do things the same way you did them before it's insanity to expect radically different results.
With a CoH fanboy ? from what I saw of those forums everyone of you was a venture capitalist, lawyer and forensic accountant.*
I will give you +1 for trying to deflect, but I am sure Evony made loads of money by luring people in and fleecing them soundly. I wouldn't call it's creators competent developers either.
*If you are to dense** to get it, I had never seen any of the fanboys look at the numbers or graphs for CoH and admit it was doing pretty **** poorly. That is despite the fact that it was shut down. You can't argue with that kind of circle jerker.
** being impervium you should be exceptionally dense.
And if you argue that it's a beta it works against you as games that go live normally trim staff or put them on expansions so if this is really a beta it should have more changes tweaks and tuning than a live game.
People can argue semantics all day long but to me this game feels abandoned.