Except you know pvp and pve are two different things. They require very different specs. Patches come out and change things dramatically. There's a lot of reasons to allow respecs. You have provided no reason as to why to disallow them. This whole "oh well this game didn't do it. And the old games didn't do it" is complete ****. Once upon a time I couldn't drive, now I can. You don't restrict yourself or something else because you didn't used to do it. That's stupid backwards logic. You move forward to better ideas. Allowing respecs is great for a number of reasons. Especially considering some people like to min/max (whether you like it or hate it doesn't matter. That's how they play and you play your way) and they shouldn't be forced to pay to play their style. I'm not forced to play my style. It's a cheap way to **** over your playerbase.
So use a second character slot to build the other type. have 1 slot be PVE and one slot be PVP. Given how easy it is to level I'm not seeing the problem here.
GAME IS FREE.... is a bs response to the greed of Cryptic on charging zen for a respect. I'd much rather pay $15 a month and have a full game that includes respecs like all other mmo's or at least using in game cash and not this diamond rubbish.
Rethink your cash shop Cryptic or you will seriously be looking at a falling player base who won't put up with this rubbish. You have a good game here don't ruin it with nonsense and greed.
The way the system is set up. You can easily upgrade enough skills to switch out skills for different play styles.. There really is not need to respec unless you completely fck up. something which is kinda hard to do.
Hey i wanna play 100% free and never need to spend any cash while costing you money to make a game for me and keep the servers going and add new content, but i wont pay a dime to you thanks!!!!
that about sums up the OP and his type of gamer.
PoE is a good example. People pay for cosmetic effects and such and they make more than what they anticipated.
Dungeon and Dragon Online got a good free-to-play model too as you can either play or pay to unlock contents.
(I myself is a VIP subscriber)
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denverralphyMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 145Bounty Hunter
Except you know pvp and pve are two different things. They require very different specs. Patches come out and change things dramatically. There's a lot of reasons to allow respecs. You have provided no reason as to why to disallow them. This whole "oh well this game didn't do it. And the old games didn't do it" is complete ****. Once upon a time I couldn't drive, now I can. You don't restrict yourself or something else because you didn't used to do it. That's stupid backwards logic. You move forward to better ideas. Allowing respecs is great for a number of reasons. Especially considering some people like to min/max (whether you like it or hate it doesn't matter. That's how they play and you play your way) and they shouldn't be forced to pay to play their style. I'm not forced to play my style. It's a cheap way to **** over your playerbase.
Yeah, and you ignore the point that more often than not, PvP players will respec back to their old specs two patches later.
Yes, you are correct that I made no effort to give a reason to disallow them. That's simply because I never stated they shouldn't be allowed. My opinion is simply that they shouldn't be cheap and easy to do without a second thought. Want to respec? Fine... work for it. For every player who played the FoTM builds, there are 10 times as many who struggled through making other builds work (after all, they paid their dues too).
There's nothing worse in PvP than FoTM cookie cutter builds. Compound that with easy and simple respecs... that just increases the problem exponentially.
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synolMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Why isn't it a good thing that they are MAKING money?
I don't care if they do or don't, I will hit cap and most likely quit, where in most games I spend money for cosmetics ect I see no point, in dealing with this company since its conception I have learnt spending money on it is a waste of time, you may spend $200 you may spend $2000, sooner or later it will be P2W and you will have to spend 10x as much annually to stay competitive.
This is of course assuming the other cash cows die out, they haven't yet, and then there is whether or not they add content or add just cash shop gear.
PWI they didn't fix a dungeon for farming gear solely for the purpose of selling it in the CS, then they MADE gear to sell in the CS.
So as I said, if the past is anything to go by, you can spend as much as you want, at the end of the day its a case of how stupid do you want to feel when all is said and done.
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terradraconisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
Making money and over-greedily cash grabbing are two different things
And you where appointed to judge who is being overly greedy? Frankly what does that even mean? It meaningless term. If you can make money for selling something for X then you clearly are not being overly greedy.
If you feel that they are being overly greedy do the correct thing and open your own F2P fantasy game and demonstrate how to succeed and make money.
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synolMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
And you where appointed to judge who is being overly greedy? Frankly what does that even mean? It meaningless term. If you can make money for selling something for X then you clearly are not being overly greedy.
If you feel that they are being overly greedy do the correct thing and open your own F2P fantasy game and demonstrate how to succeed and make money.
If the game gets a reputation as a p2w game and being a greedy company that only made their game to make money. People will avoid the game and not even give it a chance. Then you will be sitting there in 2 years going "Man what ever happened to that Neverwinter game. It was so good and then the company went under"
Yup, and at the current rate of 469 AD per 1 zeny that's about 280k AD to respec.
Be reasonable and keep moving on. Thanks.
Ah, I see. So your problem isn't that you can't do it for free (because, as has been pointed out, you can.) It's that you think its too hard. Seems to me that if it was easy to buy everything in the cash shop by just playing the game, then no one would use cash. Additionally, Cryptic doesn't set the AD -> Zen conversion rate. Your fellow players do. Don't like it, take it up with the players, not the messenger.
Cash grab basically means milking as much as possible as fast as possible, then dropping support down to a bare minimum (or altogether) and moving on to the next project.
If the game gets a reputation as a p2w game and being a greedy company that only made their game to make money. People will avoid the game and not even give it a chance. Then you will be sitting there in 2 years going "Man what ever happened to that Neverwinter game. It was so good and then the company went under"
I'm of the opinion that anyone who calls the desire to make money greedy should be slapped upside of the head. Really all I think calling a company greedy for trying to make money is just jealousy.
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denverralphyMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 145Bounty Hunter
Okay, you said neverwinter is not p2w right? then why i should pay for respect my character build? what i should do if i fail on my build? leveling another char? what i do if i dont have money? play a broken character? stop be greedy or all people leave of your game pls
You do realize that you don't have to pay real money to respec right? Sure, it takes a bit of work, but it's doable.
Your argument would carry more weight if you actually had to pay to play the game (and even if you did pay... respecs should be tough).
It's completely feasible to respec without paying a dime/pound/schilling/pence/penny. Just not easy. Which it shouldn't be.
in the good old days of sub, you only see people who can afford to pay a monthly fee in the game. In the present F2P world, you see more kids who wants everything for free...
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abyssblueMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 4Arc User
What was the big deal about the Boston Bombing then? I mean its not the first time people got bombed so what the hell was all the fuss about?
See how stupid your logic is now?
Okay, wait...
I've been quietly lurking, quite happily for a while now... but seriously?
Did you just compare the Boston Bombing to F2P MMO's...
It's easy to try and break someones logic when you make OUTRAGEOUS stretches in comparison.
You sir are the one lacking logic.
[Edit] And for the record. I don't see anything wrong with paying a few dollars for a respec. Fact is, the game IS F2P. Cryptic and PWE have spent both time and money creating a service, and they deserve some type of compensation. In fact, unlike PRACTICALLY EVERY OTHER SERVICE IN THE WORLD, Cryptic and PWE don't even demand compensation, and are completely happy allowing you to play for free. And you're absolutely getting your moneys worth.
Quit being so **** self-entitled, and just enjoy this amazing game. And you know what? If someone who isnt as cheap as you DOES help support the game that you;re playing for free, they SHOULD have benefits that you don't.
TLDR: Grow up.
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terradraconisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
Cash grab basically means milking as much as possible as fast as possible, then dropping support down to a bare minimum (or altogether) and moving on to the next project.
And are you looking at their financials? Do you "know" that they are taking an "undue" percentage of the profit? What the hell is an undue percentage of profit anyway.
Who here wouldn't love to make money? ::raises hand:: I must be greedy then.
in the good old days of sub, you only see people who can afford to pay a monthly fee in the game. In the present F2P world, you see more kids who wants everything for free...
very true, future democrats lol, I don't want to put in the effort waaahhh....cry for me *****es your tears are tasty.
Hey i wanna play 100% free and never need to spend any cash while costing you money to make a game for me and keep the servers going and add new content, but i wont pay a dime to you thanks!!!!
that about sums up the OP and his type of gamer.
Yeah, there's people that play and don't spend any money, which is fine since it is F2P and they still contribute by being potential group and guild mates. Then there are these people like the OP, who are given tons of stuff for free, and instead of being grateful, can only complain that they should have gotten MORE for the NO MONEY they spent... Ridiculous...
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suparstarxMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
The price of 1 ZEN to whatever AD is not set in stone. As more people level up, get more points and zen dumping into the economy it's gonna tank some more. A lot of people bought founder packs and they are definitely dumping their diamonds into the market.
You can get thousands of AD per day from just a few daily repeatables, praying/worshipping every hour and professions/crafting.
And that's from not spending a bloody cent. Eventually you're gonna probably get <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you can sell on the auction house for AD because gold is surely worth **** right now.
The fact that people even defend the respec prices completely f**ks my mind.
And calling people entitled? You people are just ridiculous, there are very successful F2P games that run purely off of vanity or TINY convenience items.
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terradraconisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
The fact that people even defend the respec prices completely f**ks my mind.
And calling people entitled? You people are just ridiculous, there are very successful F2P games that run purely off of vanity or TINY convenience items.
Why would anyone sane need to respect more than once every 3 - 6 months?
Oh wait those people who want to flip builds every other second.... Thats who. Charge them $$$$$
Who's to say that 240k Diamonds for the Zen to respec isn't reasonable? It's day THREE of Everyone being able to play. On the first day I had 12,000 Diamonds
The fact that people even defend the respec prices completely f**ks my mind.
And calling people entitled? You people are just ridiculous, there are very successful F2P games that run purely off of vanity or TINY convenience items.
There are plenty of F2P games that run off of vanity or tiny conveniene items, but I defy you to name 1 Successful one.
Close The World.txeN ehT nepO
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terradraconisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
Want to repaint my house for free? You can wash my car afterwards and mow my lawn every week too while you're at it. Why don't you buy me a cup of coffee on the way over from Starbucks too and as a tip, i'll give you a bit of advice: F2P is F2P. You want to respec but can't afford 6 bucks? OK, here's a little secret:
reroll = respec
Have fun with that while you're painting my house
Quoting "romequietus" Word for word from another thread without crediting him? Shame on you. Also this quote is already on Page 4 of this thread with proper credit.
prunetracyMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
It's not that big of a deal. People are worrying way too much about ending up with a bad spec. Even if you randomly selected every power, you still wouldn't end up with a broken character. You almost get enough points to take absolutely everything. You can easily have every skill at rank 2.
Your character isn't going to be unplayable because you don't have one particular skill maxed out. It's just not the case.
If you're a min-max optimizer who likes changing their builds with the sunrise, well yeah, it's going to be costly. But even then, I'll bet you can probably max out all the powers you want for a few different loadouts with room to spare.
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So use a second character slot to build the other type. have 1 slot be PVE and one slot be PVP. Given how easy it is to level I'm not seeing the problem here.
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Rethink your cash shop Cryptic or you will seriously be looking at a falling player base who won't put up with this rubbish. You have a good game here don't ruin it with nonsense and greed.
PoE is a good example. People pay for cosmetic effects and such and they make more than what they anticipated.
Dungeon and Dragon Online got a good free-to-play model too as you can either play or pay to unlock contents.
(I myself is a VIP subscriber)
Yeah, and you ignore the point that more often than not, PvP players will respec back to their old specs two patches later.
Yes, you are correct that I made no effort to give a reason to disallow them. That's simply because I never stated they shouldn't be allowed. My opinion is simply that they shouldn't be cheap and easy to do without a second thought. Want to respec? Fine... work for it. For every player who played the FoTM builds, there are 10 times as many who struggled through making other builds work (after all, they paid their dues too).
There's nothing worse in PvP than FoTM cookie cutter builds. Compound that with easy and simple respecs... that just increases the problem exponentially.
What was the big deal about the Boston Bombing then? I mean its not the first time people got bombed so what the hell was all the fuss about?
See how stupid your logic is now?
I don't care if they do or don't, I will hit cap and most likely quit, where in most games I spend money for cosmetics ect I see no point, in dealing with this company since its conception I have learnt spending money on it is a waste of time, you may spend $200 you may spend $2000, sooner or later it will be P2W and you will have to spend 10x as much annually to stay competitive.
This is of course assuming the other cash cows die out, they haven't yet, and then there is whether or not they add content or add just cash shop gear.
PWI they didn't fix a dungeon for farming gear solely for the purpose of selling it in the CS, then they MADE gear to sell in the CS.
So as I said, if the past is anything to go by, you can spend as much as you want, at the end of the day its a case of how stupid do you want to feel when all is said and done.
And you where appointed to judge who is being overly greedy? Frankly what does that even mean? It meaningless term. If you can make money for selling something for X then you clearly are not being overly greedy.
If you feel that they are being overly greedy do the correct thing and open your own F2P fantasy game and demonstrate how to succeed and make money.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
If the game gets a reputation as a p2w game and being a greedy company that only made their game to make money. People will avoid the game and not even give it a chance. Then you will be sitting there in 2 years going "Man what ever happened to that Neverwinter game. It was so good and then the company went under"
Ah, I see. So your problem isn't that you can't do it for free (because, as has been pointed out, you can.) It's that you think its too hard. Seems to me that if it was easy to buy everything in the cash shop by just playing the game, then no one would use cash. Additionally, Cryptic doesn't set the AD -> Zen conversion rate. Your fellow players do. Don't like it, take it up with the players, not the messenger.
CS issue? Check this thread first! | Reporting exploits: Done Right
I'm of the opinion that anyone who calls the desire to make money greedy should be slapped upside of the head. Really all I think calling a company greedy for trying to make money is just jealousy.
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You do realize that you don't have to pay real money to respec right? Sure, it takes a bit of work, but it's doable.
Your argument would carry more weight if you actually had to pay to play the game (and even if you did pay... respecs should be tough).
It's completely feasible to respec without paying a dime/pound/schilling/pence/penny. Just not easy. Which it shouldn't be.
Okay, wait...
I've been quietly lurking, quite happily for a while now... but seriously?
Did you just compare the Boston Bombing to F2P MMO's...
It's easy to try and break someones logic when you make OUTRAGEOUS stretches in comparison.
You sir are the one lacking logic.
[Edit] And for the record. I don't see anything wrong with paying a few dollars for a respec. Fact is, the game IS F2P. Cryptic and PWE have spent both time and money creating a service, and they deserve some type of compensation. In fact, unlike PRACTICALLY EVERY OTHER SERVICE IN THE WORLD, Cryptic and PWE don't even demand compensation, and are completely happy allowing you to play for free. And you're absolutely getting your moneys worth.
Quit being so **** self-entitled, and just enjoy this amazing game. And you know what? If someone who isnt as cheap as you DOES help support the game that you;re playing for free, they SHOULD have benefits that you don't.
TLDR: Grow up.
And are you looking at their financials? Do you "know" that they are taking an "undue" percentage of the profit? What the hell is an undue percentage of profit anyway.
Who here wouldn't love to make money? ::raises hand:: I must be greedy then.
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very true, future democrats lol, I don't want to put in the effort waaahhh....cry for me *****es your tears are tasty.
Yeah, there's people that play and don't spend any money, which is fine since it is F2P and they still contribute by being potential group and guild mates. Then there are these people like the OP, who are given tons of stuff for free, and instead of being grateful, can only complain that they should have gotten MORE for the NO MONEY they spent... Ridiculous...
You can get thousands of AD per day from just a few daily repeatables, praying/worshipping every hour and professions/crafting.
And that's from not spending a bloody cent. Eventually you're gonna probably get <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you can sell on the auction house for AD because gold is surely worth **** right now.
Again, TYVM, moving on.......
That's disrespect.
And calling people entitled? You people are just ridiculous, there are very successful F2P games that run purely off of vanity or TINY convenience items.
Why would anyone sane need to respect more than once every 3 - 6 months?
Oh wait those people who want to flip builds every other second.... Thats who. Charge them $$$$$
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Which is why in another thread I asked someone making the "there are plenty of games succeeding at F2P"... to name some.
As you say the named games won't be successful or actually charge upfront to buy the game before you play it which isn't fully F2P.
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Whiners.
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Your character isn't going to be unplayable because you don't have one particular skill maxed out. It's just not the case.
If you're a min-max optimizer who likes changing their builds with the sunrise, well yeah, it's going to be costly. But even then, I'll bet you can probably max out all the powers you want for a few different loadouts with room to spare.