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Trickster Rogue is 'still' too over-powered~
ayamata
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 290 Bounty Hunter
Before most of you (yes, most; since a good portion of players are TR's) try to rip me from limb to limb, allow me to clarify.
First things first, I play a CW.
I'm fully aware that my class really isn't designed to put out hefty dps, as well as the fact that I'm squishy to say the least.
Although whether it be in PvE or PvP, the Rogues do a tremendous output of dps, with really no cons at all.
It most cases in PvE, the players to top the dps table, are rogues.
In PvP, they can light you up in seconds.
Whether it be their abilities that can literally take away 40% of your HP, or the ability to 'silence' you; they are virtually unstoppable.
I've seen a single Rogue take on two GWF and rip them apart in under 20 seconds.
Like I had stated, they usually have the upper hand in PvE in terms of DPS,
but in PvP they can take down any class like it's nothing.
I can now understand why they're so popular in the community.
Simply because they own everything.
I hardly see balance with them in comparison to the other available classes.
[Also, let me just add that I don't really appreciate any rude comments or malcontent. I'm just voicing my opinion, and I would like the thread to stay open for discussion; any demeaning remarks can taint this thread and subject it to violations within the forum agreements. So please. If you know you're about to rage, take it elsewhere. Keep in mind that negative things are better left unsaid.]
First things first, I play a CW.
I'm fully aware that my class really isn't designed to put out hefty dps, as well as the fact that I'm squishy to say the least.
Although whether it be in PvE or PvP, the Rogues do a tremendous output of dps, with really no cons at all.
It most cases in PvE, the players to top the dps table, are rogues.
In PvP, they can light you up in seconds.
Whether it be their abilities that can literally take away 40% of your HP, or the ability to 'silence' you; they are virtually unstoppable.
I've seen a single Rogue take on two GWF and rip them apart in under 20 seconds.
Like I had stated, they usually have the upper hand in PvE in terms of DPS,
but in PvP they can take down any class like it's nothing.
I can now understand why they're so popular in the community.
Simply because they own everything.
I hardly see balance with them in comparison to the other available classes.
[Also, let me just add that I don't really appreciate any rude comments or malcontent. I'm just voicing my opinion, and I would like the thread to stay open for discussion; any demeaning remarks can taint this thread and subject it to violations within the forum agreements. So please. If you know you're about to rage, take it elsewhere. Keep in mind that negative things are better left unsaid.]
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I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
Played right, wizards are untouchable. If there's a melee class getting close enough to hit you then something is wrong (unless you're getting stealth jumped every time).
I agree that we're OP in PvE. I mean, I can basically DPS tank any of the dungeons up until the Mad Dragon, but in PvP I think we're quite balanced. The other classes(with the exception of the CW) just need to be buffed.
I'm pretty good with keeping them at bay; most classes, in that case.
It's that stealth jump and silence thing they do.
It's crazy.
YES. that ability.
& it seems like the CD for it is like 5 seconds or something. (Probably not, but sure does feel like it.)
I can 1v1 a Rogue no problem, but man.
If he gets the jump on me, it's over. Lol.
they should even out in a dungeon with CWs and GWFs, and clerics should be able to either dps or offtank - not both, in addition to their healing - if at all
currently rogues top damage charts like nobodies business, GWFs do less damage than GFs. CWs are fine imo.
Rogues are the only DPS class in the game right now. They are the only Striker. So yes, they do the most damage. They also take a ton of damage, and have little to no other options for party contribution/utility.
The Dire Crow - Tiefling TR
Alice L'ddell - Human GF
Ludovique - Tiefling DC
That's how it should be with a Rogue, though. We are ambushers, after all.
Use team work to defeat a single rogue? Thats not balance. Why not have rogues play like rogues, they shouldnt be bullrushing fighters ever.
EVERY class has some sort of offensive;
It's just Rogues blow DPS out of the water.
Yeah they take a fair amount of damage due to their armor class,
but when it comes to their evasion methods and crazy DPS and silence skills, they're just too OP.
[I have the term "op" but that's really the only way to put it.]
I'm not directly asking them to be nerfed,
just how about balancing out the other classes a bit to keep up somewhat.
Rogue vs CW, Rogue wins.
Rogue vs GWF,Rogue wins.
Rogue vs Guardian, Rogue wins.
There needs to be a counter to the class, one class counters this class, counters another, etc.
Rogues shouldn't be toe to toe in melee vs GWF or such and winning that exchange. If they don't get the surprise backstab they should not have the upperhand in a fight.
LOL. Thank you !
[Also, read what I posted above, lmao]
And your logic is that this will be the first MMO-RPG in history to launch with balanced and completed classes ? I'm just curious, anyone here know if WoW has stopped patching any of their current classes ? People experience things in game, voice their opinion, get community feedback, they should TRY to make it constructive. No one should be saying everything is fine at launch, ever, and rogues are ALWAYS a tricky class. So if you have experience, just list some pro's and con's of the classes, something you feel would add WEIGHT to the discussion, because hot air does not.
*~Serixil Kor'hedron- Drow Trickster~*
Oh please.
Get over yourself.
The point of forums is to discuss.
Even this particular area is to discuss Classes.
NOW is when these things should ultimately be discussed BECAUSE the game HASN'T been released.
Better to get things right now, before going in too deep.
Take your belligerent comments elsewhere.
I can handle the responses quite fine, actually.
It's the lack of respect and unnecessary confrontation that I don't appreciate.
Also, I play my class pretty well.
& oh you're 60? Gratz.
Here's a cookie.
That being said, a CW will obliterate a rogue if the cw opens on him out of stealth and at range. Two extremes but you get my drift.
Then don't seem so affected by it sweetheart.
I don't need a cookie hitting max level is like taking a shower. The point is that I see no problem and I am at end game. I know how to play my class. Sometimes I lose, sometimes I don't. Maybe eaach class needs some tweaks, but there are so many posts and comments about TR being overpowered and it just...gets old. Discuss it with facts, examples, screenshots and if there are problems to it.......post a solution. This wasn't a discussion post, this was a cry and demand post.
*~Serixil Kor'hedron- Drow Trickster~*
Isnt that a 'rinse and repeat' situation? Rogue fails initiation, so he runs/stealths and try's again when cooldowns are off ? My biggest concern is im hearing that a rogue can kill a GWF before two GWF's can kill him, they just sound extremely durable for a class with a dodge and stealth. But i havnt heard the actual hp/defense numbers yet. Plus, Stealth is amazing for a capture game style, they could literally not be able to 1v1 any class and STILL be good in pvp because its objective based. Thats what i liked about GW2, not everyone was a kill*****.
Exactly. If a rogue catches you first, youre dead and if you catch the rogue first he is dead....if not well then that's you showing how bad you are in my opinion. A TR would be overpowered IF......you got the jump on the rogue during a 1v1 and he still killed you quickly majority of the time, but also gear and playstyle and skill possibly come into play.
*~Serixil Kor'hedron- Drow Trickster~*
What?
It should be that way.
That sounds boring and the opposite of what an action/skill game is supposed to be, Rogue has a lot more at his disposal than just damage, he has unique luxuries. Hell, can anyone besides a TR even get the jump on another TR, where they COULDNT stun you/stealth out of it ? They get total freedom on the field to pick and choose, i think their upfront damage is a bit too high, and combat advantage positioning should be more important for the role. I've just been watching every PvP video on youtube and it seems consistent that a rogue can kill whoever he wants and you cant pull them off, they'll simply kill their target before you can kill them.