If there aws a santa he would have snesked in thhe cryptic and tolen beta keys for all of good children .... wll I am nearing 30 but I am still d child at heart so ... an give evety one of us a beta kay!
My bad, i thought there would be an easy solution. The way to go will be no salatian. Hands up i have a gun ! (shoots out 10 rounds just to make an effect)
Interesting. I always thought Facebook was trying to establish a way to identify people. Will personal computers remain untracable ? I mean the obvious thing would be that virtual pcs could play a role in muddy media societies and stuff like that. It seemed interesting to me. Maybe they will come up with a secure solution.
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited December 2012
Facebook Security?
*Stops typing as he's laughing too much*
We'll see what happens to spammers here...gotta laugh....err go.
Are you guys worried about spamming? or gold selling? or those that spam their gold selling?
Spamming is usually taken care of by automated means, is gold selling still frowned upon by the gaming community?
It's a lynch-able offense in my book, and I won't take part in any game that suffers from such deplorable practices.
And it's not usually taken care of by automated means - it's completely bypassed whenever developers only use automated measures, and only taken care of by active GMs monitoring in-game channels.
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syfylisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
edited December 2012
Did anyone playd "Path od Exile"? It's better than diablo and there is >no gold<, game is great.
Global chat option lvl 10+, gols spammer > ss > permaban.
ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited December 2012
Gold selling/buying is cheating.
It's not frowned upon...that doesn't even begin with scratch the surface of the Gaming Community's opinion of cheating.
Spamming of it's own is a problem but a mild one. If you're a legitimate player there's only so many times you can lose the ability to talk/play until you stop acting like a child....
But Gold Spam is a completely different issue which is very much a serious concern as the responses show.
I don't really care much what others do, but gold spammers are a pain because of constant spamming as well as pita kind of rules like they have in CO - when enough people put you on ignore, you get banned from chat. Didn't happen to me, but I heard about someone roleplaying his style(ugly toon) and people put him to ignore leading him to be banned from chat for no reason.
These kind of things have lead me to hate gold spammers.
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ranncoreMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2,508
Someone mentioned path of exile that economy was thought of quite awhile back and was scrapped.... people don't ask why though.
All I'm saying is don't hate the buyer so much as you should be hating the corporate entity backing it.
Eh? Path of Exile doesn't have a currency system, everything is bartered. It works great too, players are very friendly about giving items away and there's no set value on anything, necessity dictates worth.
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But it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the reason that, say, PWE doesn't do anything about gold spammers in RaiderZ is because they figured the best way to beat gold spammers is by playing their own game.
If you're a legitimate player there's only so many times you can lose the ability to talk/play until you stop acting like a child....
As a legitimate player, how many times can you lose the ability to talk when you didn't do anything wrong before you simply quit? On a forum about a Cryptic game....this is a very legitimate question to consider, sadly.
Eh? Path of Exile doesn't have a currency system, everything is bartered. It works great too, players are very friendly about giving items away and there's no set value on anything, necessity dictates worth.
But it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the reason that, say, PWE doesn't do anything about gold spammers in RaiderZ is because they figured the best way to beat gold spammers is by playing their own game.
That was my point the barter system cuts out the need for gold which works grate against gold sellers.
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ranncoreMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2,508
edited December 2012
Which reminds me of something I said earlier: PWE hires teams of professional software engineers at a time and (presumably) has access to a number of high-end servers. Why don't they just maintain DDOS attacks against gold selling sites advertised in their games? That would deter them.
Which reminds me of something I said earlier: PWE hires teams of professional software engineers at a time and (presumably) has access to a number of high-end servers. Why don't they just maintain DDOS attacks against gold selling sites advertised in their games? That would deter them.
I doubt its legality but it is certainly not ethical. Not to say utterly ineffective. Gold spammers have nothing to loose while cryptic have their reputation.
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ranncoreMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2,508
I doubt its legality but it is certainly not ethical. Not to say utterly ineffective. Gold spammers have nothing to loose while cryptic have their reputation.
Shoddily maintained webites can be brought down with a handful of cell phones performing ping-based DOS attacks.
There have long been rumors about Blizzard using DDOS attacks against private servers and gold spamming sites.
Regardless, the glory of attacks is the same reason that everyone says gold spammers are hard to trace: it's easy to use a changing, dynamic IP address. The private WoW servers constantly under DDOS attack can't pin it on Blizzard. Nor could a Gold Spammer site ever pin the attack on PWE.
It's extremely effective, but obviously consumes manpower and machine time. Which I'm not sure PWE wants to bother investing to get rid of gold spammers. As I've said before, they turn a profit on the games whether players last 1 week or 1 year, no matter the reason they leave.
Oh, but about the legality... I haven't the faintest. Gold spammers do have everything to lose, tho: if their website isn't up, there's no one buying gold. Not to mention no point in paying for the domain name if it's constantly under attack.
Bots and goldspammers are what ruin most mmo's and destroy them. I understand it can't be easy to deal with it, but any extra layer that prevents the chat from being flooded by goldspammers is a great step up on how the players view the game and their inclination to invest themselves in it.
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edited December 2012
Allright gotta put my mod hat on here.
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i would rather not talk any real life at all. real life is serious, monotonous and boring. It has no dragons either ... only dungeons if you try to adventure.
I currently play another DnD based game....*waits for gasps* and i have no clue what a gold spammer is. if it involves selling items for cash just make them bound to the character for any higher quality gear. If it concerns selling x amount of gold for cash, i think a trade cap on gold would suffice. Speaking from experience, I have saved for weeks to buy a particular item from an in-game auction house, only to find better stuff in a quest.
I currently play another DnD based game....*waits for gasps* and i have no clue what a gold spammer is. if it involves selling items for cash just make them bound to the character for any higher quality gear. If it concerns selling x amount of gold for cash, i think a trade cap on gold would suffice. Speaking from experience, I have saved for weeks to buy a particular item from an in-game auction house, only to find better stuff in a quest.
Yeah DDO (As does LOTRO) does a very good job of keeping spammers out, and honestly I can't remember the last time I saw a spammer in STO, or Co. All we can do is hope Cryptic follows whatever they are doing in those games.
As a legitimate player, how many times can you lose the ability to talk when you didn't do anything wrong before you simply quit? On a forum about a Cryptic game....this is a very legitimate question to consider, sadly.
This is a very important question to consider which is why I have been borderline mean shooting down ideas which have such side effects.
If you get reported 20 times in 2 minutes....that's a weapon not a solution. I don't see that as anything more than something Trolls can use to hurt other players.
Give the players the ability to mute players - this has to be handled VERY carefully.
Let players deal with Player Reports - No. Too much risk for innocent players being hurt.
When I see proposed solutions my first question is how this could negatively effect legitimate players. My second question is much of an impact it would have on the Gold Spammers. Third is how easily Gold Spammers could overcome the solution.
If you're an immature kid just being obstructive to others by posting "ahgdb weugbwaJK" a hundred times you still deserve to be reported and temporarily muted. Spamming itself is against the rules but a player like that should get tired of being muted after a while and at some point either conform to the rules or quit altogether.
Gold Spammers aren't there to play the game though, they are there to advertise cheating and trust me there aren't people typing behind every single person. If they get muted they will just make a different character to spam on. And that's the difference.
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If you get reported 20 times in 2 minutes....that's a weapon not a solution. ...
Give the players the ability to mute players - this has to be handled VERY carefully.
Let players deal with Player Reports - No. Too much risk for innocent players being hurt....
I am in complete agreement with with arguments here. Swing too extreme while dodging a banana and you hit the tree trunk
i would rather not talk any real life at all. real life is serious, monotonous and boring. It has no dragons either ... only dungeons if you try to adventure.
This is a very important question to consider which is why I have been borderline mean shooting down ideas which have such side effects.
If you get reported 20 times in 2 minutes....that's a weapon not a solution. I don't see that as anything more than something Trolls can use to hurt other players.
Give the players the ability to mute players - this has to be handled VERY carefully.
Let players deal with Player Reports - No. Too much risk for innocent players being hurt.
When I see proposed solutions my first question is how this could negatively effect legitimate players. My second question is much of an impact it would have on the Gold Spammers. Third is how easily Gold Spammers could overcome the solution.
If you're an immature kid just being obstructive to others by posting "ahgdb weugbwaJK" a hundred times you still deserve to be reported and temporarily muted. Spamming itself is against the rules but a player like that should get tired of being muted after a while and at some point either conform to the rules or quit altogether.
Gold Spammers aren't there to play the game though, they are there to advertise cheating and trust me there aren't people typing behind every single person. If they get muted they will just make a different character to spam on. And that's the difference.
What about, if 40 people mute someone within a 2 minute window, a series of screen shots are taken and sent to a GM aid of whatever you call volunteers . That way it would leave it up to the GM what action(s) are taken?
What about, if 40 people mute someone within a 2 minute window, a series of screen shots are taken and sent to a GM aid of whatever you call volunteers . That way it would leave it up to the GM what action(s) are taken?
Actually that is the problem - if we have gm, we can just report it and it can be taken care of. but that is what bubb was earlier discussing about - they dont have enough GMs
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Just remembering all those fake accounts on there and the umpteen ways I used to game it.
Won't touch it now, tho. Too trendy. I call it facecrap.
I have always called Facebook the stalkers best friend, it is more true today than it ever has been.
*Stops typing as he's laughing too much*
We'll see what happens to spammers here...gotta laugh....err go.
Spamming is usually taken care of by automated means, is gold selling still frowned upon by the gaming community?
It's a lynch-able offense in my book, and I won't take part in any game that suffers from such deplorable practices.
And it's not usually taken care of by automated means - it's completely bypassed whenever developers only use automated measures, and only taken care of by active GMs monitoring in-game channels.
Global chat option lvl 10+, gols spammer > ss > permaban.
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It's not frowned upon...that doesn't even begin with scratch the surface of the Gaming Community's opinion of cheating.
Spamming of it's own is a problem but a mild one. If you're a legitimate player there's only so many times you can lose the ability to talk/play until you stop acting like a child....
But Gold Spam is a completely different issue which is very much a serious concern as the responses show.
These kind of things have lead me to hate gold spammers.
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Think I'ma go ahead and log in
Eh? Path of Exile doesn't have a currency system, everything is bartered. It works great too, players are very friendly about giving items away and there's no set value on anything, necessity dictates worth.
[edited]
But it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the reason that, say, PWE doesn't do anything about gold spammers in RaiderZ is because they figured the best way to beat gold spammers is by playing their own game.
As a legitimate player, how many times can you lose the ability to talk when you didn't do anything wrong before you simply quit? On a forum about a Cryptic game....this is a very legitimate question to consider, sadly.
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That was my point the barter system cuts out the need for gold which works grate against gold sellers.
I doubt its legality but it is certainly not ethical. Not to say utterly ineffective. Gold spammers have nothing to loose while cryptic have their reputation.
Shoddily maintained webites can be brought down with a handful of cell phones performing ping-based DOS attacks.
There have long been rumors about Blizzard using DDOS attacks against private servers and gold spamming sites.
Regardless, the glory of attacks is the same reason that everyone says gold spammers are hard to trace: it's easy to use a changing, dynamic IP address. The private WoW servers constantly under DDOS attack can't pin it on Blizzard. Nor could a Gold Spammer site ever pin the attack on PWE.
It's extremely effective, but obviously consumes manpower and machine time. Which I'm not sure PWE wants to bother investing to get rid of gold spammers. As I've said before, they turn a profit on the games whether players last 1 week or 1 year, no matter the reason they leave.
Oh, but about the legality... I haven't the faintest. Gold spammers do have everything to lose, tho: if their website isn't up, there's no one buying gold. Not to mention no point in paying for the domain name if it's constantly under attack.
How charged with punishments the scroll.
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I am the captain of my soul.
- W.E.H.
1) It is against the rules of the forum to threaten others, even if they are not here, stalking included. As much as you are allowed to hate them, you can't say you are planning actual physical violence. We removed those posts and this is a formal warning that NO actual real life violence is permitted here. Subsequent posts listing anything directly have had that removed also. Edit: After review, more posts on the replies are removed.
2) Even if some responses may appear unfounded, you cannot call people names. There was a certain adjective I removed from some posts and replies, as that was directly attacking the character on a member here. I'm not going into if it was justified or not; no calling people unstable (and no that's not the word) or any other derivative. Those posts and replies listing that word were removed or edited.
3) While it's tempting like what some hackers did to terrorists allegedly post 9/11 and what was allegedly implied here Blizzard did to other violating sites (not proven just suggested,) attacking a site with a Denial of Service attack is not legal or highly unethical at best, and not ever condoned here. Don't support others attacking other sites here even for "the right reasons." Contact the hosts of the site, the company that is being affected, the intermediaries (like us) etc, to contact the right folks for this. Don't go risking illegal acts or acts that may go against the code of conduct here even if not proven technically against the law.
4) The game hasn't even entered beta yet. While I appreciate people's dedication to this, let's all take a step back and take a deep breath before replying to any responses or personal posted actions on this topic. We'll all do everything we can to stop those who violate the rules of the game, PWE's Intellectual Property, and at times even the law, but we'll do so legally. The last thing we want is to close a thread down over this, so consider this a step back for a few and try not to react in such an extreme listing.
Okay, with that in mind, carry on.
Yeah DDO (As does LOTRO) does a very good job of keeping spammers out, and honestly I can't remember the last time I saw a spammer in STO, or Co. All we can do is hope Cryptic follows whatever they are doing in those games.
This is a very important question to consider which is why I have been borderline mean shooting down ideas which have such side effects.
If you get reported 20 times in 2 minutes....that's a weapon not a solution. I don't see that as anything more than something Trolls can use to hurt other players.
Give the players the ability to mute players - this has to be handled VERY carefully.
Let players deal with Player Reports - No. Too much risk for innocent players being hurt.
When I see proposed solutions my first question is how this could negatively effect legitimate players. My second question is much of an impact it would have on the Gold Spammers. Third is how easily Gold Spammers could overcome the solution.
If you're an immature kid just being obstructive to others by posting "ahgdb weugbwaJK" a hundred times you still deserve to be reported and temporarily muted. Spamming itself is against the rules but a player like that should get tired of being muted after a while and at some point either conform to the rules or quit altogether.
Gold Spammers aren't there to play the game though, they are there to advertise cheating and trust me there aren't people typing behind every single person. If they get muted they will just make a different character to spam on. And that's the difference.
I am in complete agreement with with arguments here. Swing too extreme while dodging a banana and you hit the tree trunk
Yea verily!
What about, if 40 people mute someone within a 2 minute window, a series of screen shots are taken and sent to a GM aid of whatever you call volunteers
Actually that is the problem - if we have gm, we can just report it and it can be taken care of. but that is what bubb was earlier discussing about - they dont have enough GMs
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?22961-Gold-Spammer&p=357461&viewfull=1#post357461