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A Call for the Bard Class!
aandrethegiant
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The reason I believe the Bard was removed from 4e initially was the emphasis on 4e of giving every class a distinct role. Several classes, particularly, the bard, were impossible to fit in to this shallow a paradigm. Then there's the legendary WotC "market research", which even Mike Mearls admitted was probably bad science.
Hence in PHB 2, upon popular demand, the bard class was inducted into 4e.
The 4e Bard's at will and encounter spellsongs are so unique and diverse, that I believe this quite possibly will be the most popular class addition to the game in due time.
I also believe bards can be AN INSTRUMENTAL CLASS, that Cryptic can showcase to the world as proof 4e, and hence, Neverwinter, isnt just a "shut up and play your role" game.
Bards are indeed NEVER about playing a single role, and ALWAYS about variety, balance and multitasking. Many who took the time to get to learn to play a bard will say that it was their most fun class to play, including the author of this thread. So lets take a look at how the bard class BREAKS THE 4e MOLD.
* You are the master of positioning. You have a knack for making sure your allies are in the right place at the right time. After all, it doesn't matter how good your party's nova potential is if they're not in a position to unleash it, and you can get a party into position more consistently and expediently than any other Leader can. And not only do you get your allies into the right place, but you also tend to force enemies there.
* You tend to cripple the enemy as much as you help your allies. With your alternate role as Controller, this isn't really a surprise. You like to jinx the enemies' attacks, strip their defenses, inflict status effects, and generally do a lot of nasty things to their survival chances. You're still a team player, but you can't help but get some satisfaction yourself as your powers have more of a direct effect than those of other Leaders. There's something about dominating a foe and making him do your bidding that just sounds really cool. You are the master of the mind.
* You are extremely versatile. Want to lead from the front with a shiny blade in hand? You got it. From the back? You got it. With a conductor's baton? You got it. With a bow? You got it. Strumming a lute? You got it. And it doesn't stop there. You are free to dabble in as many other classes' abilities as you'd like to tailor your arsenal as you see fit. Want more healing? You got it. Want things to die faster? You got it. Need more control? You got it.
* You are a master of skills. In fact, only three of the skills in the entire game aren't on your class skill list. Moreover, you start with the second-most number of trained skills after the Rogue. Because you're charismatic, you excel in conversational skill challenges involving skills like Diplomacy and Bluff. And to top it all off, you have the ability to make the skills you didn't train almost as good as the ones you did train.
So I ask our community, who wants to see bards make an early appearance in Neverwinter?
Hence in PHB 2, upon popular demand, the bard class was inducted into 4e.
The 4e Bard's at will and encounter spellsongs are so unique and diverse, that I believe this quite possibly will be the most popular class addition to the game in due time.
I also believe bards can be AN INSTRUMENTAL CLASS, that Cryptic can showcase to the world as proof 4e, and hence, Neverwinter, isnt just a "shut up and play your role" game.
Bards are indeed NEVER about playing a single role, and ALWAYS about variety, balance and multitasking. Many who took the time to get to learn to play a bard will say that it was their most fun class to play, including the author of this thread. So lets take a look at how the bard class BREAKS THE 4e MOLD.
* You are the master of positioning. You have a knack for making sure your allies are in the right place at the right time. After all, it doesn't matter how good your party's nova potential is if they're not in a position to unleash it, and you can get a party into position more consistently and expediently than any other Leader can. And not only do you get your allies into the right place, but you also tend to force enemies there.
* You tend to cripple the enemy as much as you help your allies. With your alternate role as Controller, this isn't really a surprise. You like to jinx the enemies' attacks, strip their defenses, inflict status effects, and generally do a lot of nasty things to their survival chances. You're still a team player, but you can't help but get some satisfaction yourself as your powers have more of a direct effect than those of other Leaders. There's something about dominating a foe and making him do your bidding that just sounds really cool. You are the master of the mind.
* You are extremely versatile. Want to lead from the front with a shiny blade in hand? You got it. From the back? You got it. With a conductor's baton? You got it. With a bow? You got it. Strumming a lute? You got it. And it doesn't stop there. You are free to dabble in as many other classes' abilities as you'd like to tailor your arsenal as you see fit. Want more healing? You got it. Want things to die faster? You got it. Need more control? You got it.
* You are a master of skills. In fact, only three of the skills in the entire game aren't on your class skill list. Moreover, you start with the second-most number of trained skills after the Rogue. Because you're charismatic, you excel in conversational skill challenges involving skills like Diplomacy and Bluff. And to top it all off, you have the ability to make the skills you didn't train almost as good as the ones you did train.
So I ask our community, who wants to see bards make an early appearance in Neverwinter?
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Haha! Fascinating idea!
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so bring out the bard after the Druid b:laugh
Correction, Twin Strike Range. Add Tempest Fighter to that
I heard from someone once that druid was coming... Soon (tm)
Now... where was that........:)
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Such an Underated Class they have A real chance of making this Primo one if they put the time and dedication to it, i cant say i played any game where this has outstood, was hoping the bear shaman IN A0C was gonna rock= Pfffttttttttt FAIL.
Sorry in advance for the hijack.
Back to the bard, yeah they ROCK literally.
Don't I know it!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZEcNpcTwUM
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But also show your love by supporting this very active Original Bard Thread. Huzza to our Magical Musician!
Battle drum unlocking unique defense buffs and violin being a more jack of all trades spellcasting.
Let me just start off I am in complete favor of your post. I have played many mmo's in my day. Anarchy online, to Dark age of Camelot, UO, FF11, and so on. It is my belief that if mmo rpgs wish to give a fresh spin on the gameplay experience. They need to look to more exotic class options. Just because they are exotic classes doesn't mean they need to be OP either. Games are awesome when everyone feels equally capable, yet through whatever the classes role maybe the player can show the group their abilities in that fashion. I would really love to see a capable bard class. Yes they bring unique abilities to a group, yet so many times in games that include a bard they just feel awfully gimped to their role compared to everyone else. Some of that is based on the game mechanics other is players unaware what a bard can bring. If this game could introduce Such classes and change or show players something new, then they would have something really refreshing to online gaming if not groundbreaking. To give a quick list of such classes Arcane Warrior, Duelist, Alchemist, Gladiator, and Red Dragon disciple. The list isn't by no means exhausted, but just a small start.
4e bards are quite strong with their multiclassing ability. They are very very versatile and powerful. One of the paths can make a great substitute for arcane archer too.
Ever since then Bards are Backstabbed by her character as soon as possible...Bards tend to be the Red Shirts of our campaigns...she actually did a Snoopy dance when she found out that 4e didn't have them and was bummed when they were reintroduced in PHB 2....but it all evens out since Trickster rogues are backstabbing machines.
New rule: If you can't sing, dress and play... no bard fo you!
Don't judge me! You don't understand my art!
*Runs off crying like a little girl with manly tears in his eyes*
Fascinating.... never met a rogue I couldnt charm... see the milkman's even a bard... and the wifey still tells you she hates bards?? Better check to see if she got a milk mustache, heh heh hehh.....
Lesson: Never leave the wife home when the milkman delivers!
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Ummmm okayyyy either I'm missing something or you have been at the gaffers homebrew again
:eek:
Pretty much, and yeah the guy was super annoying...was trying way too hard to impress people.
What is the difference between LARP and LRP anyways? I see the two terms being thrown a lot...
I'm done after that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XljsonWaGNI
You will be surprised how easy it is with a bard.
Meh... I'd have that Zorro-clone dancing like Michael Jackson in a Coke commercial... but you get an E for effort none-the-less!
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Wait, we get chips too?!
*Goes off and demands his bag of chips.*
Wizards rock too!