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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    grummush wrote: »
    Ya loved Daoc too mate :)

    DAOC was my favorite, too, until my guild quit. I loved the classes, they all seemed unique. Thane and Shaman were my favorites.

    I think guild based pvp would be fun, but its easy to get frustrated if you are ganked everywhere. hopefully the open-world pvp will be moderated by pvp flags and such. Although its debatable if there is a truly universal pvp system everyone enjoys. I preferred open world myself, minus the campers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    westrale wrote: »
    DAOC was my favorite, too, until my guild quit. I loved the classes, they all seemed unique. Thane and Shaman were my favorites.

    I think guild based pvp would be fun, but its easy to get frustrated if you are ganked everywhere. hopefully the open-world pvp will be moderated by pvp flags and such. Although its debatable if there is a truly universal pvp system everyone enjoys. I preferred open world myself, minus the campers.

    Yah most peoples seem to think being camped is totally aggravating and i understand that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    grummush wrote: »
    Sorry ill do what i want and indeed if there is open pvp you better change you name, especially if there is only one server :). Simple advise friend, stop thinking you are the majority cause you are NOT. You are a carebear forum hugger and you think you are the majority, nope. Almost no pvper will post on forums, i explained that ealier, other stuff to do. I am just very very interested in this game and i don't want it to fail like you want it to fail, because obviously, you know F word nothing about mmorpg if you want it to be a F word coop game. Now this post is to F word again suggest systems, not to give your S word opinions about pvper etc etc or to tell me to stay home etc etc, i could care less of your emotional state etc etc.

    Go do your own thread about how you hate pvp and how carebear you are and how important you are and how much you represent the majority and ill be glad to not post on it.

    Thank you bye.

    No matter how much you claim it to be otherwise, PvPers are a minority among MMORPG players. Sure, many people will dabble in some scenario PvP from time to time, but fulltime PvP is something most people don't want. There's a reason most MMORPGs focus heavily on PvE endgame and that's most certainly not because the playerbase consists of PvPers.

    Also, calling everybody who disagrees with you a "carebear" or being rude in general isn't something that'll get you many friends around here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    grummush wrote: »
    ...
    Am i rude ? YES, go do your own thread, heres a good example of a title you could use: - I am scared of pvp, what argument could i have so there is no pvp in this game ?
    Go do your own thread about how you hate pvp and how carebear you are and how important you are and how much you represent the majority and ill be glad to not post on it.

    I disagree. This is a public thread (public being NWO community).
    The point is, the forums themselves exist for the benefit of neverwinter community as whole and if you cannot bear any ideas, logical deduction, criticism - its something you have to deal with at your end.
    Being rude is also your problem, it does not affect us.
    I can visualize you pulling your hairs out with the tone you are using, but by being rude, as you admit yourself, you are only showing your weakness of not being able to take criticism. Get used to it, especially if you want to share your idea on public forums.
    Become strong! Try to take on criticism and try to be constructive by being polite. Even forums guidelines explained the need to be polite.
    Polite = not rude

    EDIT: btw, scared of what? mashing buttons on computer screen. (...) Come on. lol [btw, it was not me you directed your hate but someone else]
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Kendaric wrote: »
    No matter how much you claim it to be otherwise, PvPers are a minority among MMORPG players. Sure, many people will dabble in some scenario PvP from time to time, but fulltime PvP is something most people don't want. There's a reason most MMORPGs focus heavily on PvE endgame and that's most certainly not because the playerbase consists of PvPers.

    Also, calling everybody who disagrees with you a "carebear" or being rude in general isn't something that'll get you many friends.

    your making up your own definition of what a pvper is by saying they must be fulltime pvp. I have pvp'd alot in a mmo and not so much in another mmo.

    A better definition is a pvper is someone who enjoys pvp in some form or another. You will find this number to be quite larger then your defintion of a pvper.

    Just because you enjoy pvp doesn't mean you dont enjoy pve. I have always enjoyed pve but i find pvp to be more challenging. when the pvp was done right. right is of course subjective.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Adamantium wrote: »
    your making up your own definition of what a pvper is by saying they must be fulltime pvp. ....

    I think you missed the title of the post. It does say,
    "Pvp System - Open World Pvp System"
    It is about the 'fulltime pvp' system.
    We already know there is a post launch pvp of some kind.
    We belive that dnd being a traditional rp game, might not implement full-time pvp (also since probably pvp was incorporated later what atari was forcing(?) to be co-op while cryptic wanted MMO)
    If cryptic other games are to be a precedent, open pvp is a very distant possibility (you can't jumpbag but can only annoy people with duel invites or go to arena).
    Most people here familiar with DDO style pnp wouldn't mind optional restricted to arena based pvp.

    EDIT: Also some people are saying that dnd being a game with unbalanced specialized classes(NWO maynot be), pvp should only be group based.

    That is all the updates :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Adamantium wrote: »
    your making up your own definition of what a pvper is by saying they must be fulltime pvp. I have pvp'd alot in a mmo and not so much in another mmo.

    A better definition is a pvper is someone who enjoys pvp in some form or another. You will find this number to be quite larger then your defintion of a pvper.

    Just because you enjoy pvp doesn't mean you dont enjoy pve. I have always enjoyed pve but i find pvp to be more challenging. when the pvp was done right. right is of course subjective.

    Not necessarily fulltime, that was probably worded badly.
    But still, a PvPer would spend the majority of his time PvPing rather than PvEing, simply because he prefers PvP to PvE. I do enjoy playing a scenario or having a duel at times, but I'm still mainly a PvE player as that is where the majority of my playtime goes apart from RPing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Kendaric wrote: »
    Not necessarily fulltime, that was probably worded badly.
    But still, a PvPer would spend the majority of his time PvPing rather than PvEing, simply because he prefers PvP to PvE. I do enjoy playing a scenario or having a duel at times, but I'm still mainly a PvE player as that is where the majority of my playtime goes apart from RPing.

    I still do not agree if you enjoy pvp in some form you are a pvper liking or not liking pve is irrelavant. You can like both pvp and pve. the extreme position would be liking only pvp or pve. which like all extreme's is a minority.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    gillrmn wrote:
    I think you missed the title of the post. It does say,
    "Pvp System - Open World Pvp System"
    It is about the 'fulltime pvp' system.
    We already know there is a post launch pvp of some kind.
    We belive that dnd being a traditional rp game, might not implement full-time pvp (also since probably pvp was incorporated later what atari was forcing(?) to be co-op while cryptic wanted MMO)
    If cryptic other games are to be a precedent, open pvp is a very distant possibility (you can't jumpbag but can only annoy people with duel invites or go to arena).
    Most people here familiar with DDO style pnp wouldn't mind optional restricted to arena based pvp.

    EDIT: Also some people are saying that dnd being a game with unbalanced specialized classes(NWO maynot be), pvp should only be group based.

    That is all the updates :)

    UHAHAHAUHAHUUHA. You don't seem to understand. Like Ada said, nothing to do like a full time job to kill you non stop and to corpse camp you. PvPer do PvE alot too, oh wait no, i would stay lvl 1 the whole game and never see the end game? Right on , thank you for seeing us as pvp machines without any other interests!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    what if they dropped world pvp and added friendly fire? I do like friendly fire as a feature.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    gillrmn wrote:
    I disagree. This is a public thread (public being NWO community).
    The point is, the forums themselves exist for the benefit of neverwinter community as whole and if you cannot bear any ideas, logical deduction, criticism - its something you have to deal with at your end.
    Being rude is also your problem, it does not affect us.
    I can visualize you pulling your hairs out with the tone you are using, but by being rude, as you admit yourself, you are only showing your weakness of not being able to take criticism. Get used to it, especially if you want to share your idea on public forums.
    Become strong! Try to take on criticism and try to be constructive by being polite. Even forums guidelines explained the need to be polite.
    Polite = not rude

    EDIT: btw, scared of what? mashing buttons on computer screen. (...) Come on. lol [btw, it was not me you directed your hate but someone else]

    You see way in only one perspective mister become strong / construction worker :) Being strong is being able to see both facet of a penny and you don't. Reread his post that is telling be f*** off the game because there won't be any PvP and realise how <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> it was from him. Thank you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Keller wrote: »
    what if they dropped world pvp and added friendly fire? I do like friendly fire as a feature.

    HAHAHAHHA I LIKE YOU :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    I'm not against adding a PvP server, but the developers need to add some PvP options in PvE servers (arena, battlefield, guild wars, etc.) for those who likes PvP at times but not so much to actually wanna join a PvP server. I'd rather have them improve the PvP system than just have them slap in a PvP server and say, "here's your 'PvP system,' enjoy," because that's just sloppy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    grummush wrote: »
    Sorry ill do what i want and indeed if there is open pvp you better change you name, especially if there is only one server :).

    Oh, well if it isnt F word Fudd Jr from Warner Bros. Aaaaaaaaaa [insert obligatory carrot crunching sound bite] WHATS UP DOC?


    Simple advise friend, stop thinking you are the majority cause you are NOT.

    I am not the majority, I am Aandre, and if you think your pimplely twelve year old A word is the majority, well then I must add that you CANT f-word HANDLE THE TRUTH, f-worder!

    You are a carebear [snip].
    I'm going to hide your f-word lollypops if you call me that again, and eat your mommie.

    Almost no pvper will post on forums, i explained that ealier, other stuff to do.

    Listen Eeelmmer afu afu afu afu afu FUDD!! Do you give English lessons, Doc? You must be the genius in your family, Doc! Aaaaaaaaaaaa [insert obligatory carrot crunching sound bite] Dat's right Toon Rod!

    I am just very very interested in this game

    Gee, ya don't say?


    and i don't want it to fail like you want it to fail, because obviously, you know F word nothing about mmorpg if you want it to be a F word coop game.

    You clearly care about this game sir. Why gee, ain't I a stinker?


    Now this post is to F word again suggest systems, not to give your S word opinions about pvper etc etc or to tell me to stay home etc etc, i could care less of your emotional state etc etc.

    Aaaaaaa, did you know 'mud' spelled backwards is 'dum? Certainly ya did, right Doc!?

    Go do your own thread about how you hate pvp

    What an embezzle! What an f-word ultramaroon!


    and how carebear you are and how important you are and how much you represent the majority and ill be glad to not post on it.

    Stop steaming up my tail! Whatta ya trying to do, wrinkle it? Eeeeeeeehhh [insert obligatory carrot crunching sound bite], watch me paste that pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachydermous percussion pitch!

    Thank you bye.

    I knew I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque! OOH! And don't forget to hump your four-legged airplane, Doc! Goodbye now, don't forget to write [insert obligatory carrot crunching sound bite], heh heh.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    grummush wrote: »
    Sorry ill do what i want and indeed if there is open pvp you better change you name, especially if there is only one server :). Simple advise friend, stop thinking you are the majority cause you are NOT. You are a carebear forum hugger and you think you are the majority, nope. Almost no pvper will post on forums, i explained that ealier, other stuff to do. I am just very very interested in this game and i don't want it to fail like you want it to fail, because obviously, you know F word nothing about mmorpg if you want it to be a F word coop game. Now this post is to F word again suggest systems, not to give your S word opinions about pvper etc etc or to tell me to stay home etc etc, i could care less of your emotional state etc etc.

    Go do your own thread about how you hate pvp and how carebear you are and how important you are and how much you represent the majority and ill be glad to not post on it.

    Thank you bye.

    grummush wrote: »
    Truly sorry if my tone affect your feeling, just like your other friend just before you. But as i mentionned before, this thread isnt about your emotion outburst etc etc, it was ment to talk about different systems that can make open pvp work properly. All you guy's are coming up with is bla bla bla im scared, i know s word about pvp so i don't want it. They use only 1 server ( like if you were F word part of the company and you knew what they will decide at the end, which is obviously not the case since you are neither an engineer, neither a CEO of anything or not even a coder ).

    This thread is for pvper that will gently suggest different kind of systems that would potentially work in that kind of game. Now that you ' understood ' that i would reply to all your s word post, even if they make no sens or are totally carebear oriented, you will probably continue to say stuff like: ' Noo mannnn they only use 1 server, you can'T win, we carebear will have our s word coop game roarr roarr we are the majority roar oar'. Look i will be very honnest with you, if they would listen to people like you, the game would fail.

    And BY THE WAY, changing the game from COOP to mmorpg was such a bright move i can't even explain you how stupid Atari were to make this game coop only. Now, from that wise of a choice, i personaly think they are wise enough to make it just like any other freaking mmorpg there is, AN OPEN WORLD PVP game with dedicated server for pvp.

    Thank you, now if you have no system to propose for PvP, do not repost here.

    Am i rude ? YES, go do your own thread, heres a good example of a title you could use: - I am scared of pvp, what argument could i have so there is no pvp in this game ?

    My feelings aren't hurt. You're not a real PvPer anyway due to your 14+ page posts in forums according to your own replies, so I guess you're really a...Carebear is it? I'm simply saying World-wide PvP isn't supported, and the one (COX) system it was it wasn't continued in other systems by Cryptic. After the fourth or fifth time I mentioned it not supported, I then added it in bold type. It sems when it comes to outbursts, you may want to re-read some of your own replies. I'm not judging you, bu you're sure judging everybody else. If you want to do that in PVP chat that's your decision, but this is a group forum, whether it's your thread or not. I'm asking you to look over your replies and consider if EVER you were rude or perceived rude, and to think if that was appropriate or could be done another way. And there's nothing "gently" in your manner, respectfully speaking.


    But in the end it's your call how to reply. While I'm not going to point fingers and run cryiing off to mommy, some other people if replied to in the way you have interpreted may not feel so...tolerant.


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    That said, even if abbrevated, please do not curse and specifically do NOT use the F-word. Of all the things I promised, this is the one thing I will consider asking if it's appropriate to Cryptic. And if you have to ask why it's inapproproate in a forum not to imply cursing out a person with F-words is wrong when there is clear wording saying don't even imply it...I hope you can see why there are lines even if both parties agree to talk like that.

    Please, be understanding by not being profane. Thank you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    I dont like open PvP system unless the game is setup into PvP and PvE servers.

    I have nothing against PvP but I like PvP to be segmented from my normal routine, I detest getting ganked while running around in the open world hunting or participating in content.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    I knew I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque! OOH! And don't forget to hump your four-legged airplane, Doc! Goodbye now, don't forget to write [insert obligatory carrot crunching sound bite], heh heh.

    I am an electrical engineer, nough said mama basement Andre 40 y old dude.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    grummush wrote: »
    I am an electrical engineer, nough said....

    Really now? You mean... they put YOU in charge of stuff?
    I wouldn't let you change as much as a desk lamp light bulb in my home, but more.. power to ya, Sparky!

    ** By the way, I hope they taught you how to defend yourself from power surges in engineering school, because everyone is lightin' your crack up in here... you are not making many friends. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Every time this topic comes out in an upcoming game, there's always flaming. There's a difference between PvP and PK. What you want is PK. It's not really PvP when you're walking around doing quests and you get randomly killed in an instant by someone who's way higher level than you. That's no fun at all unless you're the killer. Newer players are never going to be the killers because they'll always be killed by someone higher level than them while leveling and because older players are always going to "own" the server. That'll just drive new players away, especially when there's only going to be one server. That's the last thing we want to happen. What would be a lot better for both PK and PvE players is to have two separate servers. One PK server and one normal server. In the PK server, you have open world PK. In the normal server, you don't have open world PK but still some PvP such as arenas, battlefields, and guild wars. True that PvP players are the majority. Of course they are. That's the point of an MMO. To compete with other players. But not majority of those PvP players are PK players. A lot of PvP players that aren't PK players are just forced into PK servers because the normal servers (and the game itself) doesn't have enough PvP (like Forsaken World).

    Solution to everyone's needs: one separate PK server where there's open world PK and one (or more) normal server with a nice amount of PvP options for PvP players.

    And by the way, not all MMORPG have open world PK. I could think of at least 5 successful ones that doesn't have open world PK off the top of my head. I've seen this argument on every open world PK discussions. Stop using this your argument because it's illogical. It's like saying you jumped off a cliff because another guy jumped before you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Art, what do you do if there is only one server then?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Really now? You mean... they put YOU in charge of stuff?
    I wouldn't let you change as much as a desk lamp light bulb in my home, but more.. power to ya, Sparky!

    ** By the way, I hope they taught you how to defend yourself from power surges in engineering school, because everyone is lightin' your crack up in here... you are not making many friends. :D

    Hahahahaha i don't want friends i want world PvP. Let's set up the first duel in the world of Neverwinter little p word ? Me Versus you Andre, for glory and respect! F word YA ! When ever you want. Let's hope a dev. is reading us and make it happen so the world knows !!!!

    And oh btw, just to make you feel safe, i am in charge of a nuclear plant. ( Hahaha just kidding ).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Art, what do you do if there is only one server then?

    Just one server with open world PK? I'd play some other game. There's two upcoming games of the genre (action-based) - TERA and RaiderZ.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    grummush wrote: »
    Hahahahaha i don't want friends i want world PvP. Let's set up the first duel in the world of Neverwinter little p word ? Me Versus you Andre, for glory and respect! F word YA !.

    Andre would use turn undead and you would turn to dust...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    I'm against mass pvp.

    If it's balanced when it comes to numbers it's more/lees ok but in the end it's always never ending problem with lags/fps lost and bunch of people that doesn't really know what to do.\

    PvP should always focused more on competetive experience which means arena's battles. 3v3 ,5v5 and 16v16 (guild Wars).
    prejt wrote: »

    PvP
    Should be divided on two groups. First one are duels and group duels which have no real meaning but are just for fun and second is Arena chalenge with special items and ranking system.

    Duels and group Duels


    Duels and group duels should be allowed outside of the town and just 4fun, you shouldn't gain or lose anything from it.

    At the time of duel should be created invisible area that if someone goes out he lose. Duel ends when enemy get to 1hp or when dueling group last member of enemy team gets to 1 hp, so you can't kill someone at duel.

    When duel start all hp/mp pots get instantly cancelled, and at the time of duel you can use only one medium hp/mp instant pot.

    Arena battles

    This is proper pvp with ranking system. There should be three kinds of maps for 3v3, 5v5, 16v16 (guild Wars). 3v3 and 5v5 inc your own pvp rank and guild wars inc rank of your guild.

    Arena battles should have their own unique weapons and armor sets outside of pve.

    So when you go for pvp u chose from list armors sets and weapon already done. So there is nothing to upgrade, everyone can have same items and only thing that is important it's player skill.

    At ranked pvp you can't use instant pots but only regeneration ones.

    The way that item mall could make money on it is if each weapon/armor had one default skin and you could get more cool ones via item mall. Of course they make you only look more cool but not change any stats.

    As you progress on pvp you get more points and you can unlock more items for pvp which don't have to be stronger but change your gamplay a bit.

    Just to give example if warrior could chose between armor that give him more dps/ defence / movement speed / crit chance or magic resist.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Anglomyr wrote:
    Andre would use turn undead and you would turn to dust...

    LOL, Exactly. Hey, were you looking over my shoulder!? ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    grummush wrote: »
    Hahahahaha i don't want friends i want world PvP. Let's set up the first duel in the world of Neverwinter little p word ? Me Versus you Andre, for glory and respect! F word YA ! When ever you want. Let's hope a dev. is reading us and make it happen so the world knows !!!!

    And oh btw, just to make you feel safe, i am in charge of a nuclear plant. ( Hahaha just kidding ).

    Well thank you for sending me your pic. I'll put it up and maybe you'll get someone interested in your little oxy 5 battle of the ages, I'm way too old and could care less about pvp.

    Cheerio!

    http://mmoqq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/king-nerd.jpg
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Well thank you for sending me your pic. I'll put it up and maybe you'll get someone interested in your little oxy 5 battle of the ages, I'm way too old and could care less about pvp.

    Cheerio!

    http://mmoqq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/king-nerd.jpg

    HAHAHAHHA wow this is some real care bear jokes hahahaha omfg you are probably freaking old to do and say stuff like that. Maybe it is time to stop playing game sir.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Just one server with open world PK? I'd play some other game. There's two upcoming games of the genre (action-based) - TERA and RaiderZ.

    Thus the whole problem with this thread as Cryptic uses one server with game shards, not separate servers. Now you see why there's a moot point here unless they set it up differently and for a game on co-op team play in the first place?

    Why I support zoned PvP not world.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Thus the whole problem with this thread as Cryptic uses one server with game shards, not separate servers. Now you see why there's a moot point here unless they set it up differently and for a game on co-op team play in the first place?

    Why I support zoned PvP not world.

    In that case, I'm strongly against open world PK in this game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 5,050,278 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2012
    Double posted
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