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Module 20 Rewards Adjustments

cryptic39#8917 cryptic39 Member, Cryptic Developer Posts: 77 Cryptic Developer
Hey everyone,

With the newly released Combat Ratings Rework, we’ve heard your feedback about our Module 20 Rewards offerings, and have been working on improving them to be more in-line with the recent changes. There will also be additional rewards that will come out in the next Episode, so keep tuned in for that!

The following changes are subject to change, as it is still under development, and some changes may or may not yet be available on Preview, depending on the time and build that is on the server.

The changes are as followed:

Gear
The Forest Guardian equipment has had a level increase to 1500 and some rating adjustments.

The Collections entries for these items should change as soon as we get our next few Preview builds in, so feel free to check them out!
For brevity, these are the bonuses that are on the Forest Guardian pieces:

Head: Fey Hunter: +5% Damage in all of Sharandar.
Body: Leader’s Awareness: Gain 1500 Awareness for each player in your team.
Arms: Death Defier’s Accuracy: Gain 500 Accuracy for each Enemy you are engaged in.
Feet: Charged Mastery: When your Stamina is over 75%, your Combat Advantage is increased by 7500.

Artifacts
Sparkling Fey Emblem now grants the following at the maximum rank:
- Sparkling Fey Emblem artifact now grants a portion of its Item Level to Forte, instead of Power.
- Allies gain 5% Defense and 5% Critical Avoidance.
- Foes will take 5% more damage.
- The Set bonus is now "Trickster's Gift": Gain up to 10% additional damage or healing based on the difference between the hit point percentage between the player and the target.

The Refulgent Diamond Pin now grants the following at the maximum rank:
- Decreases damage enemies deal by 5% for 15 seconds.
- Combat Advantage gain has been increased to 7.5%.
- The Set bonus is now “Dashing Decoy”: When you stand still for 3 seconds, you take 5% less damage and your Awareness is increased by 5%. You also generate additional threat by 10%.

Let us know what you think!

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  • hustin1hustin1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,318 Arc User
    My big question is will existing Sharandar rewards become unobtainable? (e.g. redcap head, armor, weapon items)
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  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    Finally! Goodbye rusted Iron leggings.
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited January 26
    What good is a +5% bonus in all of Sharandar if we'll be done the campaign before we obtain it. Will it work in the new dungeon. If it does, because it's scaled content. I'll get what i want and never go back. I'll have no use for the helm.

    The armor is tank oriented, the arms give a fluctuating stacking effect that is only useful in specific circumstances. So it looks like for DPS, it's get the boots and done.
  • nova#2306 nova Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    ph33rm3 said:

    What good is a +5% bonus in all of Sharandar if we'll be done the campaign before we obtain it. Will it work in the new dungeon. Ive if it does, because it's scaled content. I'll get what i want and never go back. I'll have no use for the helm.

    I'm sure you wont be done with the Campaign, before you obtain it. The gear will work in the new dungeon, the same way the Halaster gear with % damage in Undermountain works in ToMM and LoMM.
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  • arazith07arazith07 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    ph33rm3 said:

    What good is a +5% bonus in all of Sharandar if we'll be done the campaign before we obtain it. Will it work in the new dungeon. Ive if it does, because it's scaled content. I'll get what i want and never go back. I'll have no use for the helm.

    Just like with Avernus, there will be more content after the dungeon. What we see of M20 right now, is not all we are getting.
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited January 26
    I prefer the old bonuses. Only the boots are an improvement.

    I had planned to replace all my blessed gear with forest guardian. Same stats. Same bonuses. Build already done. But now that idea is ruined and i would have to start my build all over to make the guardian gear work. The gear is trash now. Nothing but Ilevel that will just be scaled away. Wow.
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    Just a 54k scrub. Ignore me.
  • arazith07arazith07 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    edited January 26
    ph33rm3 said:

    ph33rm3 said:

    What good is a +5% bonus in all of Sharandar if we'll be done the campaign before we obtain it. Will it work in the new dungeon. Ive if it does, because it's scaled content. I'll get what i want and never go back. I'll have no use for the helm.

    I'm sure you wont be done with the Campaign, before you obtain it. The gear will work in the new dungeon, the same way the Halaster gear with % damage in Undermountain works in ToMM and LoMM.
    I get that. But I'll get the boots and I'm done. I don't do scaled content. I didn't upgrade to be downgraded. I know you are a streamer and you make income from the game. But this is my opinion. I don't like it.
    But the unscaled content is Sharandar, we have more episodes of Sharandar coming, meaning more content, and a reworked skirmish, that may or may not be scaled. We aren't talking about scaled content at all here. I'm only disagreeing with the premise that your opinion is based on. The Helm would be useless in scaled content, that is 100% true.
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited January 26
    arazith07 said:

    ph33rm3 said:

    ph33rm3 said:

    What good is a +5% bonus in all of Sharandar if we'll be done the campaign before we obtain it. Will it work in the new dungeon. Ive if it does, because it's scaled content. I'll get what i want and never go back. I'll have no use for the helm.

    I'm sure you wont be done with the Campaign, before you obtain it. The gear will work in the new dungeon, the same way the Halaster gear with % damage in Undermountain works in ToMM and LoMM.
    I get that. But I'll get the boots and I'm done. I don't do scaled content. I didn't upgrade to be downgraded. I know you are a streamer and you make income from the game. But this is my opinion. I don't like it.
    But the unscaled content is Sharandar, we have more episodes of Sharandar coming, meaning more content, and a reworked skirmish, that may or may not be scaled. We aren't talking about scaled content at all here.
    What I mean is I don't do scaled content other than that which is required to obtain what I desire. Once I obtain it, I no longer do that content. I got my Tomm weapons on my 7th training run. I never finished training and I never went back. If my item level falls below 54k, I'm not interested in that content beyond the bare minimum required to complete it. I'll complete the Sharandar campaign like I did in Avernus and I'll never go back. I don't like being nerfed (scaled) in content. When that happens it spoils the whole experience for me and makes what should be fun, feel like work.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining because I hate the game. I'm complaining because I love it and I hate what they did to it.

    I don't want to quit. I want them to fix it.
  • admiralwarlord#3792 admiralwarlord Member Posts: 485 Arc User
    Interesting. After many of us have undone our radiant unbound's to exchange them for other enchants happens this change. Then they don't understand why players give up the game.
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    Okay. Well they are deleting my comments now. So I guess I'll just shut up.
  • polysatyr81polysatyr81 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    Wait... you're changing it to become another Demon set? So it somehow will stay BIS for the next 10 mods? Also you've turn the Pin set bonus to where it's good for tanks only? This is ridiculous. I prefered the old set bonuses. I was totally going to go for the Pin set which was an upgrade of Halster's but now I guess I'll have to go for the same set which every DPS will go for because it's BIS and will probably stay that way. Nothing for people who want varied playstyle or don't like sticking to a "Meta"
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited January 26

    Wait... you're changing it to become another Demon set? So it somehow will stay BIS for the next 10 mods? Also you've turn the Pin set bonus to where it's good for tanks only? This is ridiculous. I prefered the old set bonuses. I was totally going to go for the Pin set which was an upgrade of Halster's but now I guess I'll have to go for the same set which every DPS will go for because it's BIS and will probably stay that way. Nothing for people who want varied playstyle or don't like sticking to a "Meta"

    There goes my recharge build. I'll be forced into this set and I'll have to let go of one my heart of the dragon artis, rendering them all useless. As a wiz a have to use the envenomed journal as active. It's like they are pushing me out the door.
  • arazith07arazith07 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    ph33rm3 said:

    Wait... you're changing it to become another Demon set? So it somehow will stay BIS for the next 10 mods? Also you've turn the Pin set bonus to where it's good for tanks only? This is ridiculous. I prefered the old set bonuses. I was totally going to go for the Pin set which was an upgrade of Halster's but now I guess I'll have to go for the same set which every DPS will go for because it's BIS and will probably stay that way. Nothing for people who want varied playstyle or don't like sticking to a "Meta"

    There goes my recharge build. I'll be forced into this set and I'll have to let go of one my heart of the dragon artis, rendering them all useless. As a wiz a have to use the envenomed journal as active. It's like they are pushing me out the door.
    No one is forcing anything. If you don't like the bonus, don't use it. I do know that a lot of players have been asking for more sources of awareness, accuracy, and CA and here they are delivering. They won't be able to please everyone.
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited January 26
    arazith07 said:

    ph33rm3 said:

    Wait... you're changing it to become another Demon set? So it somehow will stay BIS for the next 10 mods? Also you've turn the Pin set bonus to where it's good for tanks only? This is ridiculous. I prefered the old set bonuses. I was totally going to go for the Pin set which was an upgrade of Halster's but now I guess I'll have to go for the same set which every DPS will go for because it's BIS and will probably stay that way. Nothing for people who want varied playstyle or don't like sticking to a "Meta"

    There goes my recharge build. I'll be forced into this set and I'll have to let go of one my heart of the dragon artis, rendering them all useless. As a wiz a have to use the envenomed journal as active. It's like they are pushing me out the door.
    No one is forcing anything. If you don't like the bonus, don't use it. I do know that a lot of players have been asking for more sources of awareness, accuracy, and CA and here they are delivering. They won't be able to please everyone.
    It's not the change. it's the last minute nature of it.

    I've already prepared a build to maximize my damage, control and recharge speed. It's ruined if I equip this gear. But if I don't equip it, I will be at a disadvantage and building it was a waste of time and many million AD.
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    arazith07 said:

    ph33rm3 said:

    Wait... you're changing it to become another Demon set? So it somehow will stay BIS for the next 10 mods? Also you've turn the Pin set bonus to where it's good for tanks only? This is ridiculous. I prefered the old set bonuses. I was totally going to go for the Pin set which was an upgrade of Halster's but now I guess I'll have to go for the same set which every DPS will go for because it's BIS and will probably stay that way. Nothing for people who want varied playstyle or don't like sticking to a "Meta"

    There goes my recharge build. I'll be forced into this set and I'll have to let go of one my heart of the dragon artis, rendering them all useless. As a wiz a have to use the envenomed journal as active. It's like they are pushing me out the door.
    No one is forcing anything. If you don't like the bonus, don't use it. I do know that a lot of players have been asking for more sources of awareness, accuracy, and CA and here they are delivering. They won't be able to please everyone.
    It's the last minute nature of the change. Not the change itself. I've already designed and built my toon spending MANY millions. Focusing on recharge speed, control and DPS. Wearing this set wreck my build. Not wearing it defeats the purpose of making it.
  • jman3l#5579 jman3l Member Posts: 300 Arc User

    Wait... you're changing it to become another Demon set? So it somehow will stay BIS for the next 10 mods? Also you've turn the Pin set bonus to where it's good for tanks only? This is ridiculous. I prefered the old set bonuses. I was totally going to go for the Pin set which was an upgrade of Halster's but now I guess I'll have to go for the same set which every DPS will go for because it's BIS and will probably stay that way. Nothing for people who want varied playstyle or don't like sticking to a "Meta"

    Actually it won't be BIS for rangers and cleric dps. Inherit danger bonus will be overall better for them. The demonlord's immortality set only averages around 3.5% damage on live server currently. Sure the item level boost will make it a bit better, but it won't beat the music box set for hunter/arbiter.
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User

    Wait... you're changing it to become another Demon set? So it somehow will stay BIS for the next 10 mods? Also you've turn the Pin set bonus to where it's good for tanks only? This is ridiculous. I prefered the old set bonuses. I was totally going to go for the Pin set which was an upgrade of Halster's but now I guess I'll have to go for the same set which every DPS will go for because it's BIS and will probably stay that way. Nothing for people who want varied playstyle or don't like sticking to a "Meta"

    Actually it won't be BIS for rangers and cleric dps. Inherit danger bonus will be overall better for them. The demonlord's immortality set only averages around 3.5% damage on live server currently. Sure the item level boost will make it a bit better, but it won't beat the music box set for hunter/arbiter.
    What good is the additional Ilevel if ilevel is capped in the latest dungeon??
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    arazith07 said:

    ph33rm3 said:

    Wait... you're changing it to become another Demon set? So it somehow will stay BIS for the next 10 mods? Also you've turn the Pin set bonus to where it's good for tanks only? This is ridiculous. I prefered the old set bonuses. I was totally going to go for the Pin set which was an upgrade of Halster's but now I guess I'll have to go for the same set which every DPS will go for because it's BIS and will probably stay that way. Nothing for people who want varied playstyle or don't like sticking to a "Meta"

    There goes my recharge build. I'll be forced into this set and I'll have to let go of one my heart of the dragon artis, rendering them all useless. As a wiz a have to use the envenomed journal as active. It's like they are pushing me out the door.
    No one is forcing anything. If you don't like the bonus, don't use it. I do know that a lot of players have been asking for more sources of awareness, accuracy, and CA and here they are delivering. They won't be able to please everyone.
    It's fine. I'll just wear what everyone else does.
  • lucplayz#5502 lucplayz Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 26
    I think you could Change the New Sharandar currency for the Stronghold coffer to give more, because at the moment you get only 1:1 and i think this is a bit to less maybe change it to 1:10? I would appreciate this, Thanks!
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited January 26
    First we have to unlock the dungeon. Then like tic only one drop per boss per week.

    I'll be done the 1st part of the campaign and maybe the 2nd too, before I get a single piece of forest guardian.

    Forest Guardian gear is months away from mod drop.
  • tuna#6129 tuna Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    /Feedback ok so i feel the info the devs are getting is rather misinterpreted or is being ignored. So myself as an end game player completely understand coming out with section based content with rewards like the blessed weapons for more casual players who can't complete content such as zariel. On the other hand I do not understand why you refuse to put decent rewards in the newest dungeon/trial for the end gamers. You have now done a combat change taking a lot of the game to a similar spot as the game was pre mod 16. This should in turn get players who quit mod 16 to return if there's content worth running. sadly there is not rewards worth running end game content so these players wont return. I will give you my experience from the last 2 mods of end game content costing players more ad to run then it rewards them. What happens is end game players complete the new content and the stop running it. This means the players that need a little help from end game players to complete content wont have the help and will get frustrated and stop playing the game. This then means since those second tear players where the ones helping people with content a couple mods old like tomm theres now no one to help the third tear down players. This trend continues and in the middle of every mod since your end game content is a astral diamond sink half your level 80 players play other games or at least play neverwinter much less, in turn making cryptic less money.

    So to some things up putting decent rewards even if there bound rewards in your newest content ( better rewards then content 2 mods old) keeps end gamers playing which keeps your community playing and makes you more money. keeping the players happier and making you more money seems like a win win to me so correct me if I'm wrong. That's my issue with m20 rewards not the bonuses on the gear from the campaign store......

    Also putting an IL cap on the newest dungeon takes away min/max builds and caters your newest end game content to the lower players. I promise this and the rewards will cause end game players like myself to not even play this mod.

    Thank you for your time
  • purebishoppurebishop Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited January 26
    okay, let's see what we have

    feedback - gear
    Head: Fey Hunter: +5% Damage in all of Sharandar - good for dps
    Body: Leader’s Awareness: Gain 1500 Awareness for each player in your team - good for tanks
    Arms: Death Defier’s Accuracy: Gain 500 Accuracy for each Enemy you are engaged in - good for NO ONE
    Feet: Charged Mastery: When your Stamina is over 75%, your Combat Advantage is increased by 7500 - good for dps

    we have 2 items for dsp, 1 for tanks and 0 for healers as always
    pls, replace the bonus, which is useless for all classes, on arms, so that a thing that is necessary for healers appears


    for example...
    Arms: Gain 500 Outgoing Healing and 500 Incoming Healing for each player in your team
    or
    Arms: When your Stamina is over 75%, your Incoming and Outgoing Healing is increased by 2500

    why not? we really need it, we really want it
    give us (healers) more sense in farming new gear
  • ph33rm3ph33rm3 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    I guess I should be happy. Now with the new bonuses, I only want 1 piece of gear instead of 3. I did want the head, chest and arms. Now I just want the feet. Good. I should be permanently done with the dungeon a few weeks after it unlocks. I don't want the arms or the chest and I don't need the helm for a dungeon I never plan to return to after I get the boots and I don't need the helm for the campaign zone. The higher ilevel means nothing when it's just scaled away. This is good. The less time I have to spend in scaled dungeons the better.
  • the1truehunterthe1truehunter Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 211 Arc User
    tuna#6129 said:

    /Feedback ok so i feel the info the devs are getting is rather misinterpreted or is being ignored. So myself as an end game player completely understand coming out with section based content with rewards like the blessed weapons for more casual players who can't complete content such as zariel. On the other hand I do not understand why you refuse to put decent rewards in the newest dungeon/trial for the end gamers. You have now done a combat change taking a lot of the game to a similar spot as the game was pre mod 16. This should in turn get players who quit mod 16 to return if there's content worth running. sadly there is not rewards worth running end game content so these players wont return. I will give you my experience from the last 2 mods of end game content costing players more ad to run then it rewards them. What happens is end game players complete the new content and the stop running it. This means the players that need a little help from end game players to complete content wont have the help and will get frustrated and stop playing the game. This then means since those second tear players where the ones helping people with content a couple mods old like tomm theres now no one to help the third tear down players. This trend continues and in the middle of every mod since your end game content is a astral diamond sink half your level 80 players play other games or at least play neverwinter much less, in turn making cryptic less money.

    So to some things up putting decent rewards even if there bound rewards in your newest content ( better rewards then content 2 mods old) keeps end gamers playing which keeps your community playing and makes you more money. keeping the players happier and making you more money seems like a win win to me so correct me if I'm wrong. That's my issue with m20 rewards not the bonuses on the gear from the campaign store......

    Also putting an IL cap on the newest dungeon takes away min/max builds and caters your newest end game content to the lower players. I promise this and the rewards will cause end game players like myself to not even play this mod.

    Thank you for your time

    Unfortunately mate, endgame now only refers to Zariel and TOMM because any other content is scaled and your endgame character will have similar performance as a undergeared character in scaled content. Not only you don t have any incentive to run any of this scaled content because you will feel like anything you have done to upgrade your enchantments/insignias/collars will have no real impact in this scaled content, but you will also feel the pain of wasting 20-30minutes from your like completing the same piece of content you used to finish in 10-15 mins for same non-existent rng-ed rewards. Even if they will put better rewards in those dungeons this will generate another problems that I have mentioned here in a feedback thread. This will remove the incentive of gear progression and almost every enchantments will become useless because there is no point to upgrade if you don`t have any extra noticeable performance to justify the prices you pay and the fact that you can complete a dungeon in the same amount of time and get same rewards based on rng as an endgamer.
  • nisckisnisckis Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 654 Arc User

    Could you change the forest bonuses that give ratings to % please?


    Thanks a lot in advance.
  • the1truehunterthe1truehunter Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 211 Arc User
    How many people will spend millions or tens of millions of AD just to complete one or two dungeons in the whole game having this kind of rewards? How longer it will take to them to release other rights that will be better as TOMM rings? They already killed Celestial with is not even viable for tanks in scaled content. They have better options. How would you convince a tank to join Zariel Master?
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