Official M19: Avernus Adventure Zone

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Bug: The quest Collect 99 Rocks gets stuck at rock 98.

Feedback: I wish the quest Collect 99 Rocks had more rocks.

wilbur626

Please make the “elite” mobs a bit tougher, soloing quests that recommend a minimum of 2 players should not feel as easy as it currently does.

PS: The new adventure zone itself is very well done! 10/10 to the design team 👍

wisper2048

wilbur626 said:

Please make the “elite” mobs a bit tougher, soloing quests that recommend a minimum of 2 players should not feel as easy as it currently does.



PS: The new adventure zone itself is very well done! 10/10 to the design team 👍

Please do not increase difficulty.

wilbur626, take off few pieces of gear if it is too easy for you.

kythelion

Second the do NOT make tougher. I like my group content to be difficult, not my solo content. I don't wanna have to wait for someone to be online to run my solo stuff to get it out of the way. I like to knock that out quick on my schedule so I'm ready for dungeons.

arazith07

If a quest is meant for 2 or more players, it shouldn't be easy for a solo player. It's not solo content at that point, nor meant to be.

volourn

depends on what IL its directed at. If it is for 2k IL and the player in question is 25k it should be easy.

carloswartune

The new map seems to have both "common" and "elite" quests and their respective areas. It stands to reason the elite versions should be more difficult and provide more rewards so that group play for campaigns is somewhat encouraged. The "common" quests done in "common" areas should, of course, be soloable for players at the recommended IL.

keadron

I would like to 3rd the Not make tougher. We should be able to solo our campaign quests with the only exceptions of dungeons, skirmish, or HE.

kythelion

I don't want to have a find a group to run regular campaign kinda missions. That's my quick stuff during my kids' nap time. If I'm gonna have to go through the trouble of getting a group together for it, it needs to provide rewards proportional to time spent. And I'm betting a regular quest doesn't do that if any of the other regular quests in the game are any indication....

arazith07

It's not even part of the weekies, it's a blue quest for a small amount of campaign items, part of a group of quests that rotate, if you don't want to do them, then don't. I wouldn't ask for the devs to take group content away though or make it easier, some people actually play this MMO for the group aspect and there should be quests for both solo and group imo.

wilbur626

@wisper2048 , @kythelion#3210 , @keadron#3660

As you guys obviously have no idea what parts of the adventure zone/quest line I’m referring to, I don’t understand why you choose to answer my request for harder content.

The mobs I’m talking about are clearly marked as “elite”, in a part of the zone clearly marked as “elite” and only part of quests that are specifically marked as meant for groups.

This is the first time an adventure zone holds content that can actually feel challenging for endgame players, but sadly the mobs feel too weak in its current iteration.

While I do understand that most players find the new campaign content challenging enough, it is simply an extremely boring grind as soon as you get close to “endgame” gear levels.

I hope the devs can ignore selfish pleas for dumbed down content and continue what they are doing to please the entire player base.

xander

@wilbur626
the campaign is reccomended for character with 21k+ item level, in my opinion they would absolutely need a party in the elite area.
i tried with my 25,8k gf with an invoker companion (leggendary aranea, because i like using an active companion while adventuring/exploring/questing) and while they hit harder, a group remain soloable (didn't try to aggro the entire area of elite mob).
the only one that kill me easily is the dock master, the first boss from IC (triead even with an augment).

if they need to be done by a party, is that a party of 21k or a party of 25k?

wilbur626

> @xander#0631 said:
> @wilbur626
> the campaign is reccomended for character with 21k+ item level, in my opinion they would absolutely need a party in the elite area.
> i tried with my 25,8k gf with an invoker companion (leggendary aranea, because i like using an active companion while adventuring/exploring/questing) and while they hit harder, a group remain soloable (didn't try to aggro the entire area of elite mob).
> the only one that kill me easily is the dock master, the first boss from IC (triead even with an augment).
>
> if they need to be done by a party, is that a party of 21k or a party of 25k?

I think it’s pretty clear that areas/mobs marked as “elite” is not targeted at the minimum itemlevel audience, and this is why the content is 100% optional. The quests leading there are clearly marked as group content.

I’m guessing that you did not confront the bone devil with optimal stats, as you were using a non-augment companion.

Having elite mobs that actually show players that stats/group composition matters out in the adventure zone is an awesome opportunity to teach players how to gear.

Players that know what they are doing are able to complete IC at very close to minimum itemlevel, This means ALL content in the new adventure zone is possible to complete if built properly.

gabrieldourden

Great job from the visual point of view. The area reminds me both Darksiders (arenas, view of the citadel, Zariel) and Rage (middle area with warmachine) and that's absolutely great. The Hollyphant is awesome. Difficulty seems fine and having elite and normal areas will help less geared players.
Hope maps will be implemented soon and waiting to get to the citadel. I would suggest improving a bit the steering capabilities of the Warmachine and making the spark trails in the central area a bit easier to follow (sometimes during the quest where you have to drive the warmachine through portal I had difficulties following the spark trail).

indian

Bug: Character is sinking in the Sand

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yannick234

The demon boss Siege Breaker Mog'Dorath respawns instantly after killing him
The devil boss on the other takes like 30 seconds to respawn which is the intended way i guess

abrightdev

indian#3824 said:

Bug: Character is sinking in the Sand

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Appreciate the report. We will look into this and see if we can reproduce it.

sykotica

This bug is in 3075,1252 , there is a hole in the map that i fell into and was unable to get out of.

evemj

Missing tire textures and seemingly unfinished river up north.

https://imgur.com/a/9zbq2h1

adinosii

And now for something totally different:

Avernus looks really good - you really got that eternal wasteland/battlefield look. Your graphics/environment people did a really good job.

liadan1984

I found the elite area's to be challenging enough on my 26k DPS cleric. Died a couple of times.
But then again, I'm not entirely end game, I don't have a perfect build. I'm in Australia, so I also have extra lag to contend with, so that adds to the challenge too. (I see red, I move, I'm out of red, OH! No, I'm NOT, I'm IN the red, AND I'm stunned and DEAD!)
It was at times frustrating, but mostly fun, soloable, but faster with a friend.
Don't make it harder, just because those that are elite end gamers want it that way, they are only a very small number of your player base.

arazith07

The dialogue at the end of the campaign quest "Fragment of Hope" overlaps each other and is not spaced out properly with the voice overs

wilbur626

> @liadan1984#8734 said:
> I found the elite area's to be challenging enough on my 26k DPS cleric. Died a couple of times.
> But then again, I'm not entirely end game, I don't have a perfect build. I'm in Australia, so I also have extra lag to contend with, so that adds to the challenge too. (I see red, I move, I'm out of red, OH! No, I'm NOT, I'm IN the red, AND I'm stunned and DEAD!)
> It was at times frustrating, but mostly fun, soloable, but faster with a friend.
> Don't make it harder, just because those that are elite end gamers want it that way, they are only a very small number of your player base.

I don’t think it should be soloable when it’s clearly marked as group content. I’m no “elite end gamer”, I just want to be able to enjoy adventure zones. Making the elite zones harde enough to require groups is a good way to make it enjoyable for everyone.

arazith07

liadan1984#8734 said:

I found the elite area's to be challenging enough on my 26k DPS cleric. Died a couple of times.
But then again, I'm not entirely end game, I don't have a perfect build. I'm in Australia, so I also have extra lag to contend with, so that adds to the challenge too. (I see red, I move, I'm out of red, OH! No, I'm NOT, I'm IN the red, AND I'm stunned and DEAD!)
It was at times frustrating, but mostly fun, soloable, but faster with a friend.
Don't make it harder, just because those that are elite end gamers want it that way, they are only a very small number of your player base.

Most players will be around where you are item level wise, and the fact that you can solo in clearly marked group content means it should be made harder. This isn't just the "elite" who are asking for this, it's the people who play MMOs for the social aspect and to play with others but don't necessarily have time to commit to a dungeon or trial.

xander

the quest ' a friend in need' that you get from alric, has a bug after patch : we can't enter the room with Lulu, we don't get the trail to the room, we can't interact with the room

gabrieldourden

xander#0631 said:

the quest ' a friend in need' that you get from alric, has a bug after patch : we can't enter the room with Lulu, we don't get the trail to the room, we can't interact with the room

Confirmed. This has to be fixed asap.

originalsin

arazith07 said:

liadan1984#8734 said:

I found the elite area's to be challenging enough on my 26k DPS cleric. Died a couple of times.
But then again, I'm not entirely end game, I don't have a perfect build. I'm in Australia, so I also have extra lag to contend with, so that adds to the challenge too. (I see red, I move, I'm out of red, OH! No, I'm NOT, I'm IN the red, AND I'm stunned and DEAD!)
It was at times frustrating, but mostly fun, soloable, but faster with a friend.
Don't make it harder, just because those that are elite end gamers want it that way, they are only a very small number of your player base.

Most players will be around where you are item level wise, and the fact that you can solo in clearly marked group content means it should be made harder. This isn't just the "elite" who are asking for this, it's the people who play MMOs for the social aspect and to play with others but don't necessarily have time to commit to a dungeon or trial.

If you wanted to spend time with your friends, you would do so even if the content can be completed solo. MEs are a good example, perfectly doable alone, much faster in a group so most people group up.

gabrieldourden

liadan1984#8734 said:

I found the elite area's to be challenging enough on my 26k DPS cleric. Died a couple of times.
But then again, I'm not entirely end game, I don't have a perfect build. I'm in Australia, so I also have extra lag to contend with, so that adds to the challenge too. (I see red, I move, I'm out of red, OH! No, I'm NOT, I'm IN the red, AND I'm stunned and DEAD!)
It was at times frustrating, but mostly fun, soloable, but faster with a friend.
Don't make it harder, just because those that are elite end gamers want it that way, they are only a very small number of your player base.

On my 26k HR with an hunter-root setup elite groups are fairly easy, mainly due to the amount of dazes you can inflict with Crushing Roots+Constrictive+Cordon+Plant Growth+Hindering. I can even take two groups at the same time if I don't lag. With an Arbiter Cleric it would be more difficult due to lack of control.

xander

during the quest 'fragment of hope' the characters (zariel, asmodeus, guys that follow zariel) started talking at the same time

abrightdev

arazith07 said:

The dialogue at the end of the campaign quest "Fragment of Hope" overlaps each other and is not spaced out properly with the voice overs

xander#0631 said:

during the quest 'fragment of hope' the characters (zariel, asmodeus, guys that follow zariel) started talking at the same time

gabrieldourden said:

xander#0631 said:

the quest ' a friend in need' that you get from alric, has a bug after patch : we can't enter the room with Lulu, we don't get the trail to the room, we can't interact with the room

Confirmed. This has to be fixed asap.

Thanks for the reports. Investigating now

eminnerdev

We have tracked down the issue with the door to Lulu's room being inaccessible. Terramak has informed me that we're aiming for Friday for the fix but hope we can get it out sooner than that! Thank you for your patience!