Question: cleric primary attribute was WIS, gave increased outgoing heal and outgoing damage. According to preview server tooltips WIS increases only incoming heal. Is it intended (seems yes according to the aboves)? If so, which ability score increases outgoing heal? If none, why WIS is the highest by the layout of initial ability scores? Could you elaborate it?
You mean the 0% bonuses on things like physical damage?
(I know it's Strength, but bear with me).
There is a bonus. It's 0.240% from what I calculated (probably 0.25% in the code), and it's so freaking small that the only way you'll notice it is if you go into ACT and check the decimal places.
The first hit is with 18 STR, the second with 19.
57.6125/57.475 = 1.00239234
Feedback: Ability Rolls
The damage ability scores need to have a greater effect than a tiny decimal. Bring it back to 1% just like before. Otherwise, there is 0 perceivable point in really caring about the ability rolls.
If the plan was to ensure newbies would have no choice paralysis from ability rolls, then congratulations, the dev team succeeded with flying colors because everything is near useless.
Yes, there is an effect, but it's so small that the bonus might as well not exist.
I suspect the ability scores just aren't working. I have an Int of 31, and it lists as a +0% magical damage bonus.
what a mess, i hope this isn't released for 6 months minimum
I disagree. this game may be unrecoverable if it waits to release. you already have numerous people quitting until it's released because it's pointless to go ahead as it is. the bandaid needs to be ripped off. so far it's looking good with the exchange system that should help with a lot of the salt. there will be other problems and other people will leave but that will give them something to work with to lure the leavers back. luring leavers back who left because of the wait and having the game be meaningless in the mean time will probably be harder to get back than people who left because of salty. Salty cares. people who get bored have something else to do.
I certainly understand your feedback, and we have had endless debates on this topic internally. For launch, we are planning to provide ways for players to see the enemy ratings in queues and in campaign zones. But we are absolutely considering other improvements based on feedback.
cut some other valid points
@asterdahl To speak for myself, I can understand problems you have with implementing percentages showing in char's tabs. And I am sure many other players, if not all, can confirm that too. All listed issues are valid and reasonable, IMHO.
But maybe there is a good opportunity now to point out other problem which exists in this game from the very beginning. We have no possibility in game (sorry if I missed that possibility somehow and I am simply not telling the truth) to see mobs stats, beside using ACT (which is possible only in PC) and do some calculations (I know we can look into fight logs in chat window, but ... I think we can agree that this is not the best solution, to say the least). That was not a big issue till now as there was only one stat which "effectiveness" was depending on zones - Armor Penetration. With each new mod we were able to "share" info across players what is current ArmPen requirements to perform well. But even then, please look how often "new" posts pops up in forum (reddit or nwo-uncensored too, to name few) with question like this: "why my charecter is not able to kill stuff in ...", "why I die before I kill stuff", etc. And the same answers and explanations again, and again. Until post will not "disappear" in 3rd+ page. Now you cancel percentages from char's stats and you are adding new stats with similar behaviour like ArmPen together with making scaling as something meaningfull (at least that is the plan as I understand). It is not good movement without additional steps. So... ...this is very welcome to see statement "we are planning to provide ways for players to see the enemy ratings in queues and in campaign zones". Hope this won't be only a plan but integral part of mod release (or very quick fix after release, at least). Because of my age, I am experienced enough to know that telling you how you should fix this problem is simply ridiculous. I am lack of knowledge about system architecture, internal mechanics, implementations, code quality, etc. But as a player I am sure I am allowed to put some feedback and expectation. I hope others will follow that to confirm or simply deny with telling a reason. Thus we can find some solution together.
What I expect is to have in game(!) ability to see mobs stats in all areas, at least. For clearability, readability and beeing player friendly solution could be nice to see apprioprate percentages calculated based on char's current stats, for each of the mob (distinguishing mobs from different zones/dungeons ofc). This could be achieved as kind of "bestiary", beeing part of the lore or collection page for example, thus I can see each of the mob together with appropriate stats and percentage estimate calculations. This can be available fully from the beginning or be supplemented during char/campaign progress (after killing some number of particular mobs for example). It is up to you how to do this properly. I hope you think about something like this when saying "we are planning to provide ways for players to see the enemy ratings".
And one more thing, sorry it is a bit off topic, but it's worth to mention now as this is similar issue. As part of the lore there exists something called "Battle mechanics". There is some short but meaningfull (although this can be done better sometimes) description how to handle battles with certain bosses like Demogorgon or Tiamat for example. I do not know if it is still maintained or how missing info could be made up as at least on my chars there is lack of many bosses description. But this, together with proposed above "bestiary", could be usefull mechnics and statistics description as part of the game.
Summarizing, what I try to say, could be very nice if you put some meaningfull and game helping description, inside the game. It is a shame that players have to go to external sources like forums or youtube to get basic info or otherwise it is hard to progress and maintain their toons based only on info they get from game itself. It is ok to go there for more advanced info, experimentation, builds discussion, bug hunting, etc or simply because of such passion. In the past, I found pleasure in collecting data and analyzing ACT logs. That was funny part of this game too. But now, because of lack of time, I do not want to be forced to do that when I would like to perform well and I have to perform well if I would like to participate in newest/hardest content. I think plenty of other casual players could agree with me.
PS. I wish for you and for all community there will be small number of bugs in live after mod 16 released . Regards.
Before anything else, the first problem with the preview is the test content is still way too buggy, crashy and incomplete to be useful as a basis for useful feedback. If the company wants good quality feedback it has to provide a good quality testbed.
Far too many things aren't working properly or are apparently subject to unspecified change and overall it seems very rushed. This has the effect of creating a worse impression to some parts of the community than otherwise would have been the case, so as far as selling so many such large changes goes the company really seems to be shooting itself in the foot.
So far my main impressions of Mod 16 are:
* It will remove most of the enjoyment I get from playing my character because of the needless changes to how my character works, to my playstyle and reduction in build options (as opposed to the separate issue of a reduction of character power). Based on what I've read and heard from people I know in game, I am far from alone in this conclusion.
* Character building has been simplified almost to the point that it may as well be removed entirely from the game. There are very few meaningful choices to be made now, making it even less of an RPG and even more like a shooter. So despite the superficial effort to make it appear more like D&D it seems to have lost depth and flavour.
* Despite some effort made in this direction, it generally does not respect the amount of time and money people spend developing their characters. It invalidates a lot of progression (eg, crafting), makes progression far more expensive relative to gain achieved (eg, cost of ranking enchantments to higher levels, upgrading companions, etc), and is clearly yet another case of the company taking power away from players in preparation to selling it back later. In particular, it really calls into question why we would spend money on this game, which is an extremely poor message to give the customer.
* It doesn't do a good job of catering to low to moderate ability players. The people from that group cheerleading these changes in the belief that it will somehow rein in elitism and power differences are seriously mistaken. They do not understand yet how they will bear the brunt of this particularly in their ability to complete middle and higher difficulty content just as they did in Mod 6. The changes will make the game slower, harder and significantly smaller for a large part of the community whereas the most wealthy and capable players will experience far less disruption and be less inclined to carry less able players through relatively harder content with them.
* It seems like most of the balance issues that are supposedly driving these changes could have been fixed with simpler, better targetted and less extreme changes. The focus could have been on solving problems though content redesign rather than aimed mainly at our characters. Specific adjustments to the role of buffs in the game, how healing works and how we take damage, life steal severity, are all options that could also have improved the balance and challenge issues commonly cited in the endgame.
* It seems like the development team has bitten off more than it can chew with these changes by trying to do too much at once, hence the sad state of the preview. It may take a long time before this new approach is even working as intended on production, and then even more time to admit and correct the mistakes of this approach afterwards. This sort of disruption sends people on break or makes them leave the game permanently.
* The total effect of these changes is unfriendly to solo play. This is problematic for people who spend part or all of their time soloing in the game, and those people spend money too. Attempting to force grouping is absolutely not the answer to the question 'how can healers become more relevant in content?', it isn't going to make me want to play a healer myself, and the game will be worse if the changes result in us wasting time waiting around for healers. Especially for parts of the game we could formerly do by ourselves - this is just a recipe for widespread and unnecessary player frustration.
I don't think there would be significant objections to these changes if it was clear that overall they were going to result in general improvement. But that is not the picture I am seeing right now; if anything it seems a whole raft of other difficulties that could be avoided are being added for no good reason. And it seems like the impact will be even more severe than Mod 6, which I adapted to and persevered through.
So if the outcomes of the changes aren't fun for the majority of your paying players, then it won't matter at all how theoretically perfect your rules changes are. From what I can see now, the company is right on the brink of delivering a really bad outcome to much of the community with some changes that could have been handled very differently and with far less impact on the rest of the game and on us.
Even though this request feels futile, please don't repeat the same serious mistakes you made back in Mod 6 to the great detriment of the game and the people who enjoy(ed) playing it. It really seems like your institutional memory has become far too short.
I started a new Paladin character so that I can learn how the new system will work. I have found that this method reduces a lot of the frustration that comes with learning a new system. So far it has been on par with learning the old system.
The power tab flashes even after all points have been spent.\ Items in the Tarmaline Trade Bar Store under the Equipment tab, are still using the old profession names When leveling up a new character you get a notice about a new "Encounter Power" slot to use, even when you haven't ranked high enough to fill that slot (an example of this is when you get to rank 4, you are notified about the rank 5 slot being open. This also happed at rank 6, and was notified about the next slot being open even though there was no new encounter power to fill it until rank 7) .
I do like the feel of the new structuring of the player interface so far.
doing the master expedition quests solo .It doesn't appear to allow me to attune a crystal to supposedly increase the rewards . Is this required to be able to locate runic etchings in order to fullfill the quest : attunement crystals . Is this part meant o be soloable or are we forced to do it as a group as when you approach the crystal it says " can only be used by the team leader " If we are force to group up this is another cluster F*ck in making base content that isn't soloable ....
I'd say you MUST be level 70 at least with any character before this goes live if you want to survive. Newly made ones in mod 16 get nowhere. The barbarian and fighters can not get by Karzov right now and the rouge can not get by the 2nd part of the Linkletter quest series. It is one shot one kill there. New players coming to this game after this goes live are not going to last very long unless major changes are made.
Tales of Old 3rd and 4th level (using at-wills deals damage to you and tripled encounter cooldown) will become MUCH harder with new mod. Before we could mitigate those problems with Recovery + Hastening Light + Aura of Wisdom, now we don't have any of that. Even my wizard's Spell Twisting feat was nerfed and does not reduces encounter cooldown anymore.
1. Companion (Gear): Taaking away the possibility to use Rings with a Companion is one thing, but taking away the use of Enchantments as well is going way to far. I don't have any high Rank Runestones. And I am not, I repeat I am NOT leveling Ramk 5 or 6 up to whatever Rank or buy the now overpriced ones in the AH. I already spent a lot money into this game.
2. I don't have an OP Hunter nor OP Paladin. But having an "Combat HR" with mostly Lifesteal as Defense left me without protection or heal. Taking away Lifesteal completely is a bad idea. Why giving it to us at first? Why is my passive healing powers gone? I like to play solo and was pretty happy to survive most of my combat.
2a.My Paladin seems not being able to heal very good or do a lot damage, no matter which path I use. In fact some Oger one shot him a few times. Taking away the 300 % temp LifePoints, which was my Life Insurance for the last few years, made the Class pretty useless to me. Am I supposed to team up with a Cleric now to do my quests? I won't. My Powers don't work most of the time since I don't have enough Divine Power? Really? R.I.P. (which means no more VIP, no more money spent)
3. This is an MMO and not some Math-Class. People are here to have fun and not to sit down and do math getting how much Accuracy, Deflection, Crit. etc. they need in each (new) Zone. While this is easy for the Devs, it isn't for a lot players.
4. Stop calling people OP for lower Zones. We managed them. It was hard and we died a lot. Now we are Level 70 (80) so it should be our reward to go back there and do our weekly AD-Quest or help a Guild-Member. The System didn't really work in GW 2 and it won't in NW. Just leave us alone with such changes and try to fix all the well known issues.
5. Why taking away Character Portraits? Give it back or let the players decide if they use it or not.
Conclusion: It is way to many changes coming with the new Mod. One change at the time, Mod 16, 17. 18 etc. would have worked maybe. If there is no major changes done until the new Mod is live, I'll pass and might look into the game again later this year or never.
Hey Folks, I need some help. I recently started playing Neverwinter, I have a level 32 ranger and a 15 GF and GWF. I have been really enjoying it, the story and combat are fun, the pacing seemed spot on. And i was very excited when i heard that a new big expansion was coming online. However, i heard that there was going to be a bunch of changes to the classes so i hopped on the preview server today to try them out and see what classes I enjoyed.
All that i can say is that this is pretty disappointing, I know thins isn't the final build, but all the classes i tried feel broken, the pacing is so slow and i seem to barley do any damage. I wan't to keep playing this game, and even invest money in it, but i don't know now. I know this isn't the final build but from the sounds of it this is the direction the Devs want to take the game.
So here is my question, as a new player, should i stick it out, or should i just move on and try this game in 6 months or so, I am really torn up because i was having fun on the live server. Anyway hope i am not to much of a downer, and that i haven't complained to much. I am just really confused about this game right now.
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1. Companion (Gear): Taaking away the possibility to use Rings with a Companion is one thing, but taking away the use of Enchantments as well is going way to far. I don't have any high Rank Runestones. And I am not, I repeat I am NOT leveling Ramk 5 or 6 up to whatever Rank or buy the now overpriced ones in the AH. I already spent a lot money into this game.
2. I don't have an OP Hunter nor OP Paladin. But having an "Combat HR" with mostly Lifesteal as Defense left me without protection or heal. Taking away Lifesteal completely is a bad idea. Why giving it to us at first? Why is my passive healing powers gone? I like to play solo and was pretty happy to survive most of my combat.
2a.My Paladin seems not being able to heal very good or do a lot damage, no matter which path I use. In fact some Oger one shot him a few times. Taking away the 300 % temp LifePoints, which was my Life Insurance for the last few years, made the Class pretty useless to me. Am I supposed to team up with a Cleric now to do my quests? I won't. My Powers don't work most of the time since I don't have enough Divine Power? Really? R.I.P. (which means no more VIP, no more money spent)
3. This is an MMO and not some Math-Class. People are here to have fun and not to sit down and do math getting how much Accuracy, Deflection, Crit. etc. they need in each (new) Zone. While this is easy for the Devs, it isn't for a lot players.
4. Stop calling people OP for lower Zones. We managed them. It was hard and we died a lot. Now we are Level 70 (80) so it should be our reward to go back there and do our weekly AD-Quest or help a Guild-Member. The System didn't really work in GW 2 and it won't in NW. Just leave us alone with such changes and try to fix all the well known issues.
5. Why taking away Character Portraits? Give it back or let the players decide if they use it or not.
Conclusion: It is way to many changes coming with the new Mod. One change at the time, Mod 16, 17. 18 etc. would have worked maybe. If there is no major changes done until the new Mod is live, I'll pass and might look into the game again later this year or never.
It's not up yet, but you'll be able to exchange the enchants you were using in gear before for companions for runestones of equal rank.
I 100% agree that they should just let us stomp around lower level zones instead of using this abjectly awful level scaling.
Old artifacts have only 3000 stats, while new ones have 6000. This makes all old artifacts obsolete, which seems unintended, since artifacts have never been tied to character level.
Old artifacts have only 3000 stats, while new ones have 6000. This makes all old artifacts obsolete, which seems unintended, since artifacts have never been tied to character level.
by this what do you mean new vs old? which artifacts as example? ah I see. it might be worth while to replace one of the old artifacts with one of the new ones but the set bonus looks like pooh based on past things that had wording like that.
Old artifacts have only 3000 stats, while new ones have 6000. This makes all old artifacts obsolete, which seems unintended, since artifacts have never been tied to character level.
by this what do you mean new vs old? which artifacts as example?
New: Erratic Drift Orb. Old: Lantern of Revelation.
Weapon Set "Artifact Powers" are still aligned to the old powers. For example Aura of Wisdom no longer exists for OPs but the weapon artifact power is still AoW.
Obsidian Moonlight - Paladin Obsidian Oath - Warlock A whole lot of other Obsidian toons as well.
wow, my Legendary Artifact does insane damage now (got the dragon one that drops the different meteors from the sky...each meteor does over 100k damage each)...and just did a riq Tuern and it was just sad...boss literally lasted like 5 seconds tops, sad squash of all enemies
It seems to me that every class should have at least two, if not three, different options for starting stats.
I know that things have been reworked, but there should be an option for strong rangers, an option for dexterous rangers, and an option for "balanced" rangers, to name one example.
For some classes it may be difficult to find three meaningful options, but there shouldn't be an issue finding at least two decent options, should there? Maybe even offer a "recommended" starting stat array for each class, but if someone wants to play a Wizard that trades a little intelligence for more dexterity is it the worst thing in the world?
If the counter-argument is "well, a Wizard that sacrifices even a single point in intelligence is going to be a 'bad build'" then why even let players select stats to increase as they level any more? After all, a Wizard player could sink points into things other than intelligence as they level that way, too.
So, my main is a Cleric, I’ve been running around on the devout build. I know that a lot of things are still being tweaked and worked out. I've run across a bug or two (for example, I was unable to complete one of the expeditions, I had to leave, abandon quest, and restart, the last “clear the area” didn’t recognise. Underground cavern, lake, with a boat…) But, in general I’m enjoying the new content. I’m finding the content to be challenging, without frustrating me to tears. As I progress, it is becoming more difficult, and I really have to concentrate on what I’m doing in order to survive. I have to actually HEAL myself! (SHOCK HORROR), and I have to be aware of how much of my divinity power I have available to me. I was very wary of the changes going in. On live, my focus is on buffing my party as much as possible, mostly because heals were rarely needed. This is a completely different ball game. And so far, I like it. Yet to run a dungeon on preview though, that will be the real test, I suppose.
> @theycallmetomu said: > 1. Companion (Gear): Taaking away the possibility to use Rings with a Companion is one thing, but taking away the use of Enchantments as well is going way to far. I don't have any high Rank Runestones. And I am not, I repeat I am NOT leveling Ramk 5 or 6 up to whatever Rank or buy the now overpriced ones in the AH. I already spent a lot money into this game. > > 2. I don't have an OP Hunter nor OP Paladin. But having an "Combat HR" with mostly Lifesteal as Defense left me without protection or heal. Taking away Lifesteal completely is a bad idea. Why giving it to us at first? Why is my passive healing powers gone? I like to play solo and was pretty happy to survive most of my combat. > > 2a.My Paladin seems not being able to heal very good or do a lot damage, no matter which path I use. In fact some Oger one shot him a few times. Taking away the 300 % temp LifePoints, which was my Life Insurance for the last few years, made the Class pretty useless to me. Am I supposed to team up with a Cleric now to do my quests? I won't. My Powers don't work most of the time since I don't have enough Divine Power? Really? R.I.P. (which means no more VIP, no more money spent) > > 3. This is an MMO and not some Math-Class. People are here to have fun and not to sit down and do math getting how much Accuracy, Deflection, Crit. etc. they need in each (new) Zone. While this is easy for the Devs, it isn't for a lot players. > > 4. Stop calling people OP for lower Zones. We managed them. It was hard and we died a lot. Now we are Level 70 (80) so it should be our reward to go back there and do our weekly AD-Quest or help a Guild-Member. The System didn't really work in GW 2 and it won't in NW. Just leave us alone with such changes and try to fix all the well known issues. > > 5. Why taking away Character Portraits? Give it back or let the players decide if they use it or not. > > Conclusion: It is way to many changes coming with the new Mod. One change at the time, Mod 16, 17. 18 etc. would have worked maybe. If there is no major changes done until the new Mod is live, I'll pass and might look into the game again later this year or never. > > It's not up yet, but you'll be able to exchange the enchants you were using in gear before for companions for runestones of equal rank. > > I 100% agree that they should just let us stomp around lower level zones instead of using this abjectly awful level scaling.
But u become back a account bound enchantment or runestone .. . That's a bad trade for me .. When I change my enchantment I can't sell the old in ah
I didn't find any other info elsewhere, so I post it here. LIGHTNING ENCHANMENT. In market or in inventory standalone it promises 40% weapon dmg for arcs (lvl12). In a weapon slot it writes only 9%?!?!?!!?!?!!!!!! And actually it hurts LESS. My weapon dmg is 2527-3088. Lowest 9% value should 227dmg. In the logs I see many lightning values 130-160, occasionally around 250. What is this? You promise to the customer a car which can go with 250km/h, and when they buy it it can barely go with 90km/h??? This is CHEATING of the customers. What's happening here? How 40% become 9%?????
NEGATION ENCHANTMENT. Now on lvl10 it gives 0,02% of dmg res per hit. Already actually what a bloody devil in the hell is this??? I mean 0,02 PERCENT? Wow!!! This is so huge, so significant! After 10hits it will be no less then 0,2%!!! Even better, after three seconds it will be dismissed and give 5% heal. Ohhhh my god, I can't believe we were able to survive without this awesome feature! Okay, seriously, THIS. IS. RIDICLOUS!!!! I wouldn't give for this a single AD, and it DID cost me like MILLIONS of AD, and now it is destroyed to ash. Man, 0,2% dmg res for 3sec-s, this is a difference, you cannot feel. I don't need 5% heal from a Nega encha, that's why I have healer in the party, or a Lillend as a companion in solo. From a nega encha I expect to negate dmg, in an amount that I can actually FEEL!
Bug: Immolation spirits are everywhere. During the quest kill valtagor got stuck behind the fire wall. Had to go in and out a few times before I could kill him.
could you make the respond rate higher on the sick kuo-toa , takes forever to do if there are a lot of people around
stealth is survival skills (and not tanking skills, that is really different)
stealth is damage
stealth is mobility
stealth is everything
everything is stealth
Stealth make TR OP, but lack of stealth make TR useless.
2ndly, how does it work on live now? I don't expect that what we see is true for every enemy we encounter. experience says that some enemies are tougher than others in all the zones. but we can tell from our stats page how we are overall. the only changing variable currently is arpen and we have three goals to hit depending on what zone you are in and what you're doing. but it's easy to tell how close you are because stat pages tells you what rate you're at.
Because there really are no counter ratings on live right now, the percentages are basically correct. The only thing that sort of works like a counter rating on live is armor pen vs. enemy's natural resistances, and that only started being a thing in recent modules.
Either way I appreciate you taking the time to voice your thoughts, I did read them all and we will definitely consider them as we continue to discuss the character sheet UI.
@asterdahl I have to agree with @thefiresidecat on the matter of finding SOME way to show figured stats or % chances figured from opposing stats.
I'm continually struggling to get onto Preview (which is an issue at my end, so that's not a complaint... it's driving me insane... but hey ho.) but I'm struggling to see how we are supposed to keep track of our Opposed Stat chances, when scaling post M16 is going to be so much more prevalent than it currently is on live.
Can't we even get something really simple? Like if you are just standing still, out of combat in a given zone you can open the Character Sheet, look at the Base Stat, hover over it, and have it show what that Base Stat offers as its % chance when Opposed against the Standard Base Stat of the monsters in that zone?
Are we going to have to manually check the maths on EVERY opposed stat in EVERY zone we drop DOWN into to see if the scaling has kept the percentage chances the same?
I'm not a super serious stat-head, (I know some people who are...) but I don't like the idea of scaling down creating a situation where I'm either likely to be wasting stats in one area while needing them in other, OR having to have a notepad at the side of me telling me what tweaks I need to make to EVERY Character, in EVERY Load Out, in EVERY Zone in order to hit optimum efficiency. Not when a simple tool tip can alleviate that.
Now, if someone can offer a steel plated guarantee that Scaling down from L80 to Any other level will grant EXACTLY the same percentage chances on opposed rolls in every zone against every monster level, then OK... it's certainly not ideal but I will build for L80 ONLY and move on with it. But I'm guessing that guarantee isn't a likelihood because I don't imagine such a promise is possible with so many variables in the mix.
So please. Help us out and find a way to show us those figured Percentages somewhere in the Character Sheet.
We're discussing options, but I will say that—you really won't need to micromanage your stats nearly as much as you have the impression that you will. What I mean by this is: when you are being scaled down, you can just basically not worry, you'll be strong enough—if you don't feel that way right now, it's because scaling in many zones is busted, so I apologize.
When it comes to figuring out where your stats need to be for the most up-to-date content, you can pretty much dump into whatever stats are good for your build, without really worrying about hitting any sort of threshold that would make that stat useless.
Of course, I know that what I'm saying requires a lot of trust that we've built things so that things behave as I describe, but I assure you we are working very hard to make sure that's true. That being said, I do understand the sentiment, so we are discussing options for launch and for the future.
We truly do appreciate the feedback, and I do not mean for anything I say to sound dismissive at all—we are discussing all of your feedback. I appreciate your continued feedback as you play around more with the changes.
The power creep has grown way way out of control due to poor balancing decisions made in the past.
OK I get it, I actually understand the fundamental idea they are attempting to accomplish here. There are going to be massive issues throughout the whole process and I understand that preview has a long long way to go and there will be many changes.
I am one of those that left due to the CW being made almost completely obsolete and not desired in any of the end game dungeons simply because other classes could do it better. To be frank I was pissed.
However I saw the trailer for Undermountain and more importantly they were upping the level cap to 80. Kewl lets get back into the game. Now understand that I ONLY play a CW. Quite literally that is what I played in the initial beta and it is the only toon that I have. I'm just a wizard kinda guy.
But what upsets me the MOST out of this whole thing.
NOT ONE DAMN NEW ABILITY!!!!!. We are all gaining 10 new levels and instead of fixing said issues and gaining new spells/abilities all that is happening is the spreading out of current abilities. I mean I am so livid about this, its not even funny. I am not even going to touch on the almost cookie cutter builds this mod is now going to make almost everyone, especially the wizards. So here is my question....
WHY NO NEW ABILITIES, SPELLS ore FEATS for the additional 10 levels?!
Every class received at least one new at-will, one new encounter, and one new daily. I don't play wizard very much, and I did not work on wizard, so I apologize that I do not know what they are off the top of my head (and I am not in the office to check) but I can assure you wizard did receive some new spells. You might need to check the two different paragon paths, and carefully examine your spell list.
Are we going to get any updates to the Test Dummies?
Since the “opposing rolls” of monsters now scale to their level, we should be able to choose the level of the test dummies, against which to test overall output.
It would also be nice if there were an option for test dummies to fight back, so that we could test our defenses and healing.
We're working to get as many test dummies as we can into relevant zones. We have no plans to have damaging test dummies at the moment, but a more robust training type area is on our wishlist, that could feature things like that—that being said, it won't happen for Module 16, and I can't say when it will, but we would like to offer more options like this.
All companions (the items in one's inventory) are bound to character as soon as you log on preview.
Is it meant to be so? Cause it certainly is scary
Confirmed. I have an alt / pack mule who's sole purpose is warehousing extra unused, unbound companions. She currently stores about 30 of them - and they are ALL BOUND TO CHARACTER in Preview.
Please confirm if this is in fact the go forward plan with Mod 16 - WELL BEFORE the release date
This is a bug, I apologize for the concern this issue has caused.
Aaaaannnnd sooo…. the Masterwork weapons and artifact gear are obsolete now. Again. Not to mention the rings/neck/waist pieces that can no longer be put on companions. Just like all the pessimists predicted with the Mod 15 professions overhaul. Why did you bother?
The CTA weapons are even more obsolete, and if I have my IL reckoning right, so are the Tales of Old artifact sets.
I was really hoping you wouldn’t do that. The IL boost to the MW weapons seemed to leave enough room to “fill in” spaces between them and primals, as the CTA weapons seemed to be doing. But no. The Undermountain weapons are not only stronger than MW III weapons, but *much* stronger (~30% at green).
You could have added a Mythic level to weapons and artifact gear, that could only be unlocked once your character was level 80.
Or just kept the level cap at 70, since Item Level long ago effectively replaced character level, and raising the cap doesn’t change that.
There will be new masterwork recipes in the future. With a level cap increase, you're going to replace your old equipment all at once, I know this can be a bit frustrating—we don't do it lightly. However, I think it would be even more unexpected if your level 70 equipment were still best in slot when you hit level 80.
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Please give us the option to enable them.
To speak for myself, I can understand problems you have with implementing percentages showing in char's tabs. And I am sure many other players, if not all, can confirm that too. All listed issues are valid and reasonable, IMHO.
But maybe there is a good opportunity now to point out other problem which exists in this game from the very beginning. We have no possibility in game (sorry if I missed that possibility somehow and I am simply not telling the truth) to see mobs stats, beside using ACT (which is possible only in PC) and do some calculations (I know we can look into fight logs in chat window, but ... I think we can agree that this is not the best solution, to say the least).
That was not a big issue till now as there was only one stat which "effectiveness" was depending on zones - Armor Penetration. With each new mod we were able to "share" info across players what is current ArmPen requirements to perform well. But even then, please look how often "new" posts pops up in forum (reddit or nwo-uncensored too, to name few) with question like this: "why my charecter is not able to kill stuff in ...", "why I die before I kill stuff", etc. And the same answers and explanations again, and again. Until post will not "disappear" in 3rd+ page.
Now you cancel percentages from char's stats and you are adding new stats with similar behaviour like ArmPen together with making scaling as something meaningfull (at least that is the plan as I understand). It is not good movement without additional steps. So...
...this is very welcome to see statement "we are planning to provide ways for players to see the enemy ratings in queues and in campaign zones". Hope this won't be only a plan but integral part of mod release (or very quick fix after release, at least).
Because of my age, I am experienced enough to know that telling you how you should fix this problem is simply ridiculous. I am lack of knowledge about system architecture, internal mechanics, implementations, code quality, etc. But as a player I am sure I am allowed to put some feedback and expectation. I hope others will follow that to confirm or simply deny with telling a reason. Thus we can find some solution together.
What I expect is to have in game(!) ability to see mobs stats in all areas, at least. For clearability, readability and beeing player friendly solution could be nice to see apprioprate percentages calculated based on char's current stats, for each of the mob (distinguishing mobs from different zones/dungeons ofc). This could be achieved as kind of "bestiary", beeing part of the lore or collection page for example, thus I can see each of the mob together with appropriate stats and percentage estimate calculations. This can be available fully from the beginning or be supplemented during char/campaign progress (after killing some number of particular mobs for example). It is up to you how to do this properly.
I hope you think about something like this when saying "we are planning to provide ways for players to see the enemy ratings".
And one more thing, sorry it is a bit off topic, but it's worth to mention now as this is similar issue.
As part of the lore there exists something called "Battle mechanics". There is some short but meaningfull (although this can be done better sometimes) description how to handle battles with certain bosses like Demogorgon or Tiamat for example. I do not know if it is still maintained or how missing info could be made up as at least on my chars there is lack of many bosses description. But this, together with proposed above "bestiary", could be usefull mechnics and statistics description as part of the game.
Summarizing, what I try to say, could be very nice if you put some meaningfull and game helping description, inside the game. It is a shame that players have to go to external sources like forums or youtube to get basic info or otherwise it is hard to progress and maintain their toons based only on info they get from game itself. It is ok to go there for more advanced info, experimentation, builds discussion, bug hunting, etc or simply because of such passion. In the past, I found pleasure in collecting data and analyzing ACT logs. That was funny part of this game too. But now, because of lack of time, I do not want to be forced to do that when I would like to perform well and I have to perform well if I would like to participate in newest/hardest content. I think plenty of other casual players could agree with me.
PS. I wish for you and for all community there will be small number of bugs in live after mod 16 released
Regards.
Far too many things aren't working properly or are apparently subject to unspecified change and overall it seems very rushed. This has the effect of creating a worse impression to some parts of the community than otherwise would have been the case, so as far as selling so many such large changes goes the company really seems to be shooting itself in the foot.
So far my main impressions of Mod 16 are:
* It will remove most of the enjoyment I get from playing my character because of the needless changes to how my character works, to my playstyle and reduction in build options (as opposed to the separate issue of a reduction of character power). Based on what I've read and heard from people I know in game, I am far from alone in this conclusion.
* Character building has been simplified almost to the point that it may as well be removed entirely from the game. There are very few meaningful choices to be made now, making it even less of an RPG and even more like a shooter. So despite the superficial effort to make it appear more like D&D it seems to have lost depth and flavour.
* Despite some effort made in this direction, it generally does not respect the amount of time and money people spend developing their characters. It invalidates a lot of progression (eg, crafting), makes progression far more expensive relative to gain achieved (eg, cost of ranking enchantments to higher levels, upgrading companions, etc), and is clearly yet another case of the company taking power away from players in preparation to selling it back later. In particular, it really calls into question why we would spend money on this game, which is an extremely poor message to give the customer.
* It doesn't do a good job of catering to low to moderate ability players. The people from that group cheerleading these changes in the belief that it will somehow rein in elitism and power differences are seriously mistaken. They do not understand yet how they will bear the brunt of this particularly in their ability to complete middle and higher difficulty content just as they did in Mod 6. The changes will make the game slower, harder and significantly smaller for a large part of the community whereas the most wealthy and capable players will experience far less disruption and be less inclined to carry less able players through relatively harder content with them.
* It seems like most of the balance issues that are supposedly driving these changes could have been fixed with simpler, better targetted and less extreme changes. The focus could have been on solving problems though content redesign rather than aimed mainly at our characters. Specific adjustments to the role of buffs in the game, how healing works and how we take damage, life steal severity, are all options that could also have improved the balance and challenge issues commonly cited in the endgame.
* It seems like the development team has bitten off more than it can chew with these changes by trying to do too much at once, hence the sad state of the preview. It may take a long time before this new approach is even working as intended on production, and then even more time to admit and correct the mistakes of this approach afterwards. This sort of disruption sends people on break or makes them leave the game permanently.
* The total effect of these changes is unfriendly to solo play. This is problematic for people who spend part or all of their time soloing in the game, and those people spend money too. Attempting to force grouping is absolutely not the answer to the question 'how can healers become more relevant in content?', it isn't going to make me want to play a healer myself, and the game will be worse if the changes result in us wasting time waiting around for healers. Especially for parts of the game we could formerly do by ourselves - this is just a recipe for widespread and unnecessary player frustration.
I don't think there would be significant objections to these changes if it was clear that overall they were going to result in general improvement. But that is not the picture I am seeing right now; if anything it seems a whole raft of other difficulties that could be avoided are being added for no good reason. And it seems like the impact will be even more severe than Mod 6, which I adapted to and persevered through.
So if the outcomes of the changes aren't fun for the majority of your paying players, then it won't matter at all how theoretically perfect your rules changes are. From what I can see now, the company is right on the brink of delivering a really bad outcome to much of the community with some changes that could have been handled very differently and with far less impact on the rest of the game and on us.
Even though this request feels futile, please don't repeat the same serious mistakes you made back in Mod 6 to the great detriment of the game and the people who enjoy(ed) playing it. It really seems like your institutional memory has become far too short.
Thanks.
The power tab flashes even after all points have been spent.\
Items in the Tarmaline Trade Bar Store under the Equipment tab, are still using the old profession names
When leveling up a new character you get a notice about a new "Encounter Power" slot to use, even when you haven't ranked high enough to fill that slot (an example of this is when you get to rank 4, you are notified about the rank 5 slot being open. This also happed at rank 6, and was notified about the next slot being open even though there was no new encounter power to fill it until rank 7) .
I do like the feel of the new structuring of the player interface so far.
Is this part meant o be soloable or are we forced to do it as a group as when you approach the crystal it says " can only be used by the team leader " If we are force to group up this is another cluster F*ck in making base content that isn't soloable ....
2. I don't have an OP Hunter nor OP Paladin. But having an "Combat HR" with mostly Lifesteal as Defense left me without protection or heal. Taking away Lifesteal completely is a bad idea. Why giving it to us at first? Why is my passive healing powers gone? I like to play solo and was pretty happy to survive most of my combat.
2a.My Paladin seems not being able to heal very good or do a lot damage, no matter which path I use. In fact some Oger one shot him a few times. Taking away the 300 % temp LifePoints, which was my Life Insurance for the last few years, made the Class pretty useless to me. Am I supposed to team up with a Cleric now to do my quests? I won't. My Powers don't work most of the time since I don't have enough Divine Power? Really? R.I.P. (which means no more VIP, no more money spent)
3. This is an MMO and not some Math-Class. People are here to have fun and not to sit down and do math getting how much Accuracy, Deflection, Crit. etc. they need in each (new) Zone. While this is easy for the Devs, it isn't for a lot players.
4. Stop calling people OP for lower Zones. We managed them. It was hard and we died a lot. Now we are Level 70 (80) so it should be our reward to go back there and do our weekly AD-Quest or help a Guild-Member. The System didn't really work in GW 2 and it won't in NW. Just leave us alone with such changes and try to fix all the well known issues.
5. Why taking away Character Portraits? Give it back or let the players decide if they use it or not.
Conclusion: It is way to many changes coming with the new Mod. One change at the time, Mod 16, 17. 18 etc. would have worked maybe. If there is no major changes done until the new Mod is live, I'll pass and might look into the game again later this year or never.
All that i can say is that this is pretty disappointing, I know thins isn't the final build, but all the classes i tried feel broken, the pacing is so slow and i seem to barley do any damage. I wan't to keep playing this game, and even invest money in it, but i don't know now. I know this isn't the final build but from the sounds of it this is the direction the Devs want to take the game.
So here is my question, as a new player, should i stick it out, or should i just move on and try this game in 6 months or so, I am really torn up because i was having fun on the live server. Anyway hope i am not to much of a downer, and that i haven't complained to much. I am just really confused about this game right now.
I 100% agree that they should just let us stomp around lower level zones instead of using this abjectly awful level scaling.
Old: Lantern of Revelation.
Obsidian Oath - Warlock
A whole lot of other Obsidian toons as well.
It seems to me that every class should have at least two, if not three, different options for starting stats.
I know that things have been reworked, but there should be an option for strong rangers, an option for dexterous rangers, and an option for "balanced" rangers, to name one example.
For some classes it may be difficult to find three meaningful options, but there shouldn't be an issue finding at least two decent options, should there? Maybe even offer a "recommended" starting stat array for each class, but if someone wants to play a Wizard that trades a little intelligence for more dexterity is it the worst thing in the world?
If the counter-argument is "well, a Wizard that sacrifices even a single point in intelligence is going to be a 'bad build'" then why even let players select stats to increase as they level any more?
After all, a Wizard player could sink points into things other than intelligence as they level that way, too.
I know that a lot of things are still being tweaked and worked out. I've run across a bug or two (for example, I was unable to complete one of the expeditions, I had to leave, abandon quest, and restart, the last “clear the area” didn’t recognise. Underground cavern, lake, with a boat…)
But, in general I’m enjoying the new content. I’m finding the content to be challenging, without frustrating me to tears. As I progress, it is becoming more difficult, and I really have to concentrate on what I’m doing in order to survive. I have to actually HEAL myself! (SHOCK HORROR), and I have to be aware of how much of my divinity power I have available to me.
I was very wary of the changes going in. On live, my focus is on buffing my party as much as possible, mostly because heals were rarely needed. This is a completely different ball game. And so far, I like it.
Yet to run a dungeon on preview though, that will be the real test, I suppose.
Co-Guild Leader
Ghost Templars L20
Alliance: Tyrs Paladium
Main: Cleric (Heals|DPS)
Alt: Warlock
> 1. Companion (Gear): Taaking away the possibility to use Rings with a Companion is one thing, but taking away the use of Enchantments as well is going way to far. I don't have any high Rank Runestones. And I am not, I repeat I am NOT leveling Ramk 5 or 6 up to whatever Rank or buy the now overpriced ones in the AH. I already spent a lot money into this game.
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> 2. I don't have an OP Hunter nor OP Paladin. But having an "Combat HR" with mostly Lifesteal as Defense left me without protection or heal. Taking away Lifesteal completely is a bad idea. Why giving it to us at first? Why is my passive healing powers gone? I like to play solo and was pretty happy to survive most of my combat.
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> 2a.My Paladin seems not being able to heal very good or do a lot damage, no matter which path I use. In fact some Oger one shot him a few times. Taking away the 300 % temp LifePoints, which was my Life Insurance for the last few years, made the Class pretty useless to me. Am I supposed to team up with a Cleric now to do my quests? I won't. My Powers don't work most of the time since I don't have enough Divine Power? Really? R.I.P. (which means no more VIP, no more money spent)
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> 3. This is an MMO and not some Math-Class. People are here to have fun and not to sit down and do math getting how much Accuracy, Deflection, Crit. etc. they need in each (new) Zone. While this is easy for the Devs, it isn't for a lot players.
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> 4. Stop calling people OP for lower Zones. We managed them. It was hard and we died a lot. Now we are Level 70 (80) so it should be our reward to go back there and do our weekly AD-Quest or help a Guild-Member. The System didn't really work in GW 2 and it won't in NW. Just leave us alone with such changes and try to fix all the well known issues.
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> 5. Why taking away Character Portraits? Give it back or let the players decide if they use it or not.
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> Conclusion: It is way to many changes coming with the new Mod. One change at the time, Mod 16, 17. 18 etc. would have worked maybe. If there is no major changes done until the new Mod is live, I'll pass and might look into the game again later this year or never.
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> It's not up yet, but you'll be able to exchange the enchants you were using in gear before for companions for runestones of equal rank.
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> I 100% agree that they should just let us stomp around lower level zones instead of using this abjectly awful level scaling.
But u become back a account bound enchantment or runestone .. . That's a bad trade for me .. When I change my enchantment I can't sell the old in ah
And actually it hurts LESS. My weapon dmg is 2527-3088. Lowest 9% value should 227dmg. In the logs I see many lightning values 130-160, occasionally around 250.
What is this? You promise to the customer a car which can go with 250km/h, and when they buy it it can barely go with 90km/h??? This is CHEATING of the customers. What's happening here? How 40% become 9%?????
Okay, seriously, THIS. IS. RIDICLOUS!!!! I wouldn't give for this a single AD, and it DID cost me like MILLIONS of AD, and now it is destroyed to ash. Man, 0,2% dmg res for 3sec-s, this is a difference, you cannot feel. I don't need 5% heal from a Nega encha, that's why I have healer in the party, or a Lillend as a companion in solo. From a nega encha I expect to negate dmg, in an amount that I can actually FEEL!
Bug: Immolation spirits are everywhere.
During the quest kill valtagor got stuck behind the fire wall. Had to go in and out a few times before I could kill him.
could you make the respond rate higher on the sick kuo-toa , takes forever to do if there are a lot of people around
stealth is damage
stealth is mobility
stealth is everything
everything is stealth
Stealth make TR OP, but lack of stealth make TR useless.
Either way I appreciate you taking the time to voice your thoughts, I did read them all and we will definitely consider them as we continue to discuss the character sheet UI.
When it comes to figuring out where your stats need to be for the most up-to-date content, you can pretty much dump into whatever stats are good for your build, without really worrying about hitting any sort of threshold that would make that stat useless.
Of course, I know that what I'm saying requires a lot of trust that we've built things so that things behave as I describe, but I assure you we are working very hard to make sure that's true. That being said, I do understand the sentiment, so we are discussing options for launch and for the future.
We truly do appreciate the feedback, and I do not mean for anything I say to sound dismissive at all—we are discussing all of your feedback. I appreciate your continued feedback as you play around more with the changes.