I assume the change of fishing part is they know people could bot it (and were botting it) in the original winter fishing.
I wouldn't put it quite past them to use this as a reason, but people were botting SOMI fishing like crazy as well, so it's a poor excuse, and not once did I hear about anyone getting banned for it. Anywho, I didn't enjoy winter fishing before, and most certainly won't like it more now.
I'm just extremely disappointed with the winter event. I had assumed when they said they were doing something to it that it would be new and not just reworked to use a badly thought out design. There is nothing new at all to do this year. Just fishing made worse and no reason to even try it other than to say ya this is worthless.
I'm just extremely disappointed with the winter event. I had assumed when they said they were doing something to it that it would be new and not just reworked to use a badly thought out design. There is nothing new at all to do this year. Just fishing made worse and no reason to even try it other than to say ya this is worthless.
While I have absolutely no love for fishing in the game, especially when it comes to the SOMI style fishing, the event definitely needs to be spiced up.
A new mount, etc, same tired old formula of "freshening up" an event.
I fished to get the campaign currencies in the past but with all the campaigns done what is the point of it now? It's like genie's gifts. You have the means to let people get more campaign currencies through events/items but the currencies you can gain are never updated.
Stale events with a slight bit of polish aren't going to keep your loyal, core gamers intrigued.
SOMI fishing was heavily criticized and one of the reasons you don't see barely anyone in SOMI or having anything to do with the SKT Campaign because of it's traits.
Yet here is another example of terrible decisions with the SOMI fishing in the Winter Festival. At this point it has to be intentional being that the SOMI fishing was so loathed by the player base.
Process seems to be 1. Identify favored event by players 2. Look for least popular change/adjustment 3. Implement and laugh at the chaos with the PLA masters at PWE.
Well, I'm more concerned with the bug with the speed boosts in the race. Are they still there?
Yep. They're still there. Just ran it twice to be sure and I might as well have just walked it and probably would have reached the end faster. Between that still there and fishing ruined, I'll just stop in for the parcels and gift giving.
Well, I'm more concerned with the bug with the speed boosts in the race. Are they still there?
Yea I also noticed this. I seem to constantly be slowed despite hitting nothing? Yet then a spark of snow erupts from where my center of mass is, then I get shaking I've never experienced before, then massively slowed &/or almost stopped. I mean it never happened last year to me, and my race score has really suffered as a result, I submitted an in game bug, until it fixed I'm avoiding the twilight race.
I'm OK with them taking the Royal Sled out as a Mount for Winter--totally 'love' the Rare (not Uncommon like advertised) Yeti Mount. I mean the new Yeti looks amazing!
The only thing I'd offer up about the Royal Sled is they should, reduce it's cost to 2500 ZEN like the Stormraider Clydesdale, or at the very least give it 3 Insignia like the others.
I mean 'I think' that be a very reasonable ask - but different people have different views. So I'll just offer up my own, and 'hope' they consider it.
Is it true that you are going to change the fishing as it was for that stupid boring HAMSTER like Storm king If I go, I will not waste any time at this event ...
will the devs remember that we are in 12/20/2018 and in 2019 will come out dozens of new mmos? some with wonderfull looks and new gameplay ideas, because they are virtually ruining neverwinter with every patch, I doubt it will survive without mass layoffs in 2019, and will become a ghost town mmo
On the bright or snowy side, those other companies/devs can learn a lot from the mistakes being made here...
I assume the change of fishing part is they know people could bot it (and were botting it) in the original winter fishing.
Considering that i've seen the same multiboxer crews, that were running around in the River District while the heroic encounters were giving extreme amounts of seals, recently in random queue dungeon/skirmishes again, i can only laugh at using botting as "reason" for any change around here...
And yes, multiboxing might not be botting directly, but it's damn close to botting considering that only one character is played by a real person, while the other characters only follow and execute commands transmitted by a program to them.
Does this thread represent the thoughts and opinions of the majority of players?
What is zone chat like about it?
The reason I ask is I find it hard to conceive of a more badly thought out strategy with regards to a popular and successful MMO like Neverwinter. Like someone said above it almost seems like a deliberate strategy to HAMSTER people off:
Random Queue introduction - good or bad? Salvage changes - good or bad? Mod 15 - good or bad? Winter Event Fishing Update - good or bad? Crafting update - good or bad? Daily RAD refining limit - good or bad? Enchanted Lockbox changes - good or bad?
I would pretty much say mostly bad to all of the above strategic decisions. But why make such seemingly obvious bad decisions?
To my mind the *theory* of all the above changes was intended to bring benefits to the game, on paper most of the above changes probably looked great, a little bit like Brexit did o the UK voters who voted for it.
I think the intention to do good stuff is there, its just that honestly, the devs don't seem to have a clue about how to actually play the game, who plays the game and why they play the game.
The last point being the most relevant here - why.
I am now asking myself why I play? Probably as I have invested so much time in it that I don't want to walk away.
My advice to the devs would be to read threads like this one, and maybe form a consultation panel of actual experienced players and talk and listen before implementing major changes. We all understand that with free to play there must be things to spend money on to keep the servers up and people employed. But sometimes you need to consider your strategy before making changes.
man idk the reason for fishing changes but i can say i'm happy that i got my demonic sleed last year, fishing is now really annoying fishing is awful now, i will skip that part
Also why Stuf from start have to be BOC and not BOA ? had stars saved in a old toon wnated the yeti "mount" for fun in another toon but cant send him...
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And yes, multiboxing might not be botting directly, but it's damn close to botting considering that only one character is played by a real person, while the other characters only follow and execute commands transmitted by a program to them.
When I said botting, I did not mean serious botting as multiboxing, hacking the client, etc. The old fishing can be automated by anyone with no programming knowledge, special tool, etc at all. Basically, anyone could do it if they want to with one sentence instruction/hint (19 words in total). The skeleton was a way to interrupt it but it did not work well because people found one or two fish holes do not have skeleton comes out at all.
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@callumf - perhaps they just don't want the D&D brand anymore; if enough stop playing they can legitimately say there's no interest so shutting down servers. I mean to go from such a joyful experience to dismal disappointment with each iteration, there's got to be something up.
And yes, multiboxing might not be botting directly, but it's damn close to botting considering that only one character is played by a real person, while the other characters only follow and execute commands transmitted by a program to them.
When I said botting, I did not mean serious botting as multiboxing, hacking the client, etc. The old fishing can be automated by anyone with no programming knowledge, special tool, etc at all. Basically, anyone could do it if they want to with one sentence instruction/hint (19 words in total). The skeleton was a way to interrupt it but it did not work well because people found one or two fish holes do not have skeleton comes out at all.
Question is, why not fix those buggy fishing spots, instead of messing up fishing completly?
Anyway, i gave the new fishing a try today... if they increase the current regular "catch" 3-5 times, it might be worth playing around with.
Does this thread represent the thoughts and opinions of the majority of players?
Random Queue introduction - 50/50. I am actually more miffed at only one alt per account getting AD on runs. It has reduced my usage of my alts which makes the game more boring with game play of only one class/alt.
Salvage changes - Bad. Mostly because salvage at least took care of the lack of updates for gear in older content. Now its just junk clogging up your inventory.
Mod 15 - TR got screwed. Other classes changed neither good or bad. Devs still seem to have a hard-on for GWF. Profession update sucks harry balls. HoF is meh (I really, really want to kill off all the characters in that campaign, I have grown to hate them).
Winter Event Fishing Update - Absolutely 1000% sucks! I cannot stress how bad of a HAMSTER up this change it.
Crafting update - See above, aka, sucks.
Daily RAD refining limit - This only effects a very limited number of people (not me). I mean 100K a day seem pretty high.
Enchanted Lockbox changes - Meh. I never buy keys. Out of all the lockboxes I have opened for VIP, I got maybe one epic with something worth 300K.
Some really buggy content has been released as well. Like the Enhanced Illusionist Mask still does not work and still has not been fixed. Just a lot of known bugs just ignored and content released.
I want my Legendary fishing rod back, 40 starlight??? not worth breaking it!!! most folks work hard for it and you Devs just blows what we worked and earned. why pushing a redo and start over? we still need "EVENT Bag" for fishes. new ice fishing are terrible, this is feedback, it take way so much time when we need more simple ways. couldnt finish or get rarer fishes. your fishing concept is way too slow. i havent seen any candlefish get pulled. winter festival are meant to be fun and quick, not "3rd job". i have seen many angry comments on open zone chats, not going to say it, just nasty to hear that.
i think this ice fishing got killed. last year i was able to get random 10-15 treasure per hour, then yesterday, i see none, no hope for my alts to get that tyrannacy done. lost that option for linu's favor as i was looking forward for months and seeing it died.
I never really minded the SOMI fishing for what it was, but I really liked the more laid-back winter version better. Thankfully, I have no reason to fish this year (all my alts are complete up to thru Mod 9), but if I did, I don't think I would bother.
To play devil's advocate, it does make sense to have one fishing rod you can use everywhere now. I always thought it was clumsy not being able to use the Starlight Rod in Chult or the SOMI rod in Winterfest. Now we just need to eventually get "The One Rod" up to legendary!
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Lords of the Fishing Rods. long time ago.... the lords of elves, dwarves, and humans, and halflings had no lord and fishing was unknown before they met 3 great races. The elven lords created 3 Majestic Mahogany wood with no peer among other rods. and so, the 5 dwarven kings made their own, and created with White Paper Beech wood and reenforced with platinium stubs and rings. Atlast, human kings, and there were 7 of them, Lords of Neverwinter, Calimshan, Waterdeep, Candlekeep, Cair Conig, Luskan, and Amn, these lands are known as Sword Coast, created 7 refined steel with nest quality Ash wood from Charwood Forest which exist before fateful volcanic eruption destroyed the forest, it will be decades for these mighty trees to return.
All was well, until one of halfling found a mysterious, unaware it was a master fishing rod, a legendary rod that rules all the rod, no one knew who made that legendary rod.
One day, he heard about fishing festival, he want to go, so he met all the kings and the lords, and they told him it was only for kings and lords meeting on affairs of Sword Coast, he went upset and enraged that he wasnt a king or a lord, then he cursed their rods, and all their rods broken, and not far away, Mt Hotenow volcano blew and burn the forest, and White paper beech turned black and rotting, and Mahogany vanished to other realm and never to be seen again.
Ao and Mystria heard an outcry and to investigate and later took the legendary rod and hidden again, not sure what to do.
Centuries later, folks remade the fishing rods with lesser made quality rods for long time, rods still breaks, until recent years adventurers before they became gatherers, found legendary rod, for years, the crafters found a way to duplicate the lost art of crafting the rod forgotten in the mist of times. unknown to folks, it began to corrupt the fishmasters becoming Rod Wraiths, the souless fishermen, seeded the hole with other fishermen killed by Rodwraiths.
Ao and newly revived Mystria and discovered the legendary rod was no longer hidden and corrupting, we cant do this, this must be done with higher plane of those who created us Gods of Toril, we need to summon them. They may not like it, one of faceless zen gods, send a message to a Gigantor known as Lan Thuliga, to find a original legendary rod and to threw in cauldra of Hotenow and seen it destroyed, and all the legendary clones somehow shattered and the curse finally broken.
in the chain of events, players discovered legendary rod they owned, broken beyond of repairs. This end of the Rod saga.
calling "Rod Wraiths" was a joke word for fishing bots.
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I've completely written off doing anything in the winter area other than picking up my daily gift, all due to this fishing change. It's absolutely horrible. I don't know what's worse: that the devs perhaps didn't test this fully, or that they did and thought this was a proper change. Terrible either way.
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they were trying to kill the bots but it hurt players even more, (these with slower reflex cordination).
not many go fishing in Sea of Moving Ice. seem devs dont put survey or poll for players' opinions, it made them seem having a power trip and players are not happy seeing what they enjoy for long time and get taken away.
we need devs be more social active on this forum pages, not that other tweet or FB or reggit sites, Just Homepage site here! i dont understand why using Moderators as messengers when that job was to keep forum civil and clean.
new texture for ice fishing look okay, but too slippy and new format are hated and some players are having issue with q, e, and r keys are error prone due to finger reflexions for specific players, and wanted old format back or more simpler fishing mode.
my suggestion was, make the ice holes little more shorter or expand larger pond for extra ice pools and more room 'to run around" one more thing, i even dont like "Waiting for a bite" it too long, i clocked few time i waited for 30 seconds for next bite before reeling in. that dont work for some players, they get 10-14 fishes/starlights in 15 mins, i was pulling 6-7 fishes/stars in 15 mins, i had seen others pulled 30 fishes since they knew how to fish in SoMI. i missed my legendary and not happy with 40 stars for exchange.
those 'crater like' pools seem look wrong, i have not seen any real ice hole pools like that when i went fishing ages ago. couldnt fish on ice since most winter got too warm and ice are thinner at my local areas.
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Anywho, I didn't enjoy winter fishing before, and most certainly won't like it more now.
A new mount, etc, same tired old formula of "freshening up" an event.
I fished to get the campaign currencies in the past but with all the campaigns done what is the point of it now? It's like genie's gifts. You have the means to let people get more campaign currencies through events/items but the currencies you can gain are never updated.
Stale events with a slight bit of polish aren't going to keep your loyal, core gamers intrigued.
Yet here is another example of terrible decisions with the SOMI fishing in the Winter Festival. At this point it has to be intentional being that the SOMI fishing was so loathed by the player base.
Process seems to be 1. Identify favored event by players 2. Look for least popular change/adjustment 3. Implement and laugh at the chaos with the PLA masters at PWE.
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I'm OK with them taking the Royal Sled out as a Mount for Winter--totally 'love' the Rare (not Uncommon like advertised) Yeti Mount. I mean the new Yeti looks amazing!
The only thing I'd offer up about the Royal Sled is they should, reduce it's cost to 2500 ZEN like the Stormraider Clydesdale, or at the very least give it 3 Insignia like the others.
I mean 'I think' that be a very reasonable ask - but different people have different views. So I'll just offer up my own, and 'hope' they consider it.
@percemer
And yes, multiboxing might not be botting directly, but it's damn close to botting considering that only one character is played by a real person, while the other characters only follow and execute commands transmitted by a program to them.
What is zone chat like about it?
The reason I ask is I find it hard to conceive of a more badly thought out strategy with regards to a popular and successful MMO like Neverwinter. Like someone said above it almost seems like a deliberate strategy to HAMSTER people off:
Random Queue introduction - good or bad?
Salvage changes - good or bad?
Mod 15 - good or bad?
Winter Event Fishing Update - good or bad?
Crafting update - good or bad?
Daily RAD refining limit - good or bad?
Enchanted Lockbox changes - good or bad?
I would pretty much say mostly bad to all of the above strategic decisions. But why make such seemingly obvious bad decisions?
To my mind the *theory* of all the above changes was intended to bring benefits to the game, on paper most of the above changes probably looked great, a little bit like Brexit did o the UK voters who voted for it.
I think the intention to do good stuff is there, its just that honestly, the devs don't seem to have a clue about how to actually play the game, who plays the game and why they play the game.
The last point being the most relevant here - why.
I am now asking myself why I play? Probably as I have invested so much time in it that I don't want to walk away.
My advice to the devs would be to read threads like this one, and maybe form a consultation panel of actual experienced players and talk and listen before implementing major changes. We all understand that with free to play there must be things to spend money on to keep the servers up and people employed. But sometimes you need to consider your strategy before making changes.
fishing is awful now, i will skip that part
Also why Stuf from start have to be BOC and not BOA ? had stars saved in a old toon wnated the yeti "mount" for fun in another toon but cant send him...
The old fishing can be automated by anyone with no programming knowledge, special tool, etc at all. Basically, anyone could do it if they want to with one sentence instruction/hint (19 words in total).
The skeleton was a way to interrupt it but it did not work well because people found one or two fish holes do not have skeleton comes out at all.
Anyway, i gave the new fishing a try today... if they increase the current regular "catch" 3-5 times, it might be worth playing around with.
Salvage changes - Bad. Mostly because salvage at least took care of the lack of updates for gear in older content. Now its just junk clogging up your inventory.
Mod 15 - TR got screwed. Other classes changed neither good or bad. Devs still seem to have a hard-on for GWF. Profession update sucks harry balls. HoF is meh (I really, really want to kill off all the characters in that campaign, I have grown to hate them).
Winter Event Fishing Update - Absolutely 1000% sucks! I cannot stress how bad of a HAMSTER up this change it.
Crafting update - See above, aka, sucks.
Daily RAD refining limit - This only effects a very limited number of people (not me). I mean 100K a day seem pretty high.
Enchanted Lockbox changes - Meh. I never buy keys. Out of all the lockboxes I have opened for VIP, I got maybe one epic with something worth 300K.
Some really buggy content has been released as well. Like the Enhanced Illusionist Mask still does not work and still has not been fixed. Just a lot of known bugs just ignored and content released.
new ice fishing are terrible, this is feedback, it take way so much time when we need more simple ways. couldnt finish or get rarer fishes. your fishing concept is way too slow. i havent seen any candlefish get pulled.
winter festival are meant to be fun and quick, not "3rd job".
i have seen many angry comments on open zone chats, not going to say it, just nasty to hear that.
i think this ice fishing got killed. last year i was able to get random 10-15 treasure per hour, then yesterday, i see none, no hope for my alts to get that tyrannacy done. lost that option for linu's favor as i was looking forward for months and seeing it died.
To play devil's advocate, it does make sense to have one fishing rod you can use everywhere now. I always thought it was clumsy not being able to use the Starlight Rod in Chult or the SOMI rod in Winterfest. Now we just need to eventually get "The One Rod" up to legendary!
Lords of the Fishing Rods.
long time ago.... the lords of elves, dwarves, and humans, and halflings had no lord and fishing was unknown before they met 3 great races.
The elven lords created 3 Majestic Mahogany wood with no peer among other rods.
and so, the 5 dwarven kings made their own, and created with White Paper Beech wood and reenforced with platinium stubs and rings.
Atlast, human kings, and there were 7 of them, Lords of Neverwinter, Calimshan, Waterdeep, Candlekeep, Cair Conig, Luskan, and Amn, these lands are known as Sword Coast, created 7 refined steel with nest quality Ash wood from Charwood Forest which exist before fateful volcanic eruption destroyed the forest, it will be decades for these mighty trees to return.
All was well, until one of halfling found a mysterious, unaware it was a master fishing rod, a legendary rod that rules all the rod, no one knew who made that legendary rod.
One day, he heard about fishing festival, he want to go, so he met all the kings and the lords, and they told him it was only for kings and lords meeting on affairs of Sword Coast, he went upset and enraged that he wasnt a king or a lord, then he cursed their rods, and all their rods broken, and not far away, Mt Hotenow volcano blew and burn the forest, and White paper beech turned black and rotting, and Mahogany vanished to other realm and never to be seen again.
Ao and Mystria heard an outcry and to investigate and later took the legendary rod and hidden again, not sure what to do.
Centuries later, folks remade the fishing rods with lesser made quality rods for long time, rods still breaks, until recent years adventurers before they became gatherers, found legendary rod, for years, the crafters found a way to duplicate the lost art of crafting the rod forgotten in the mist of times.
unknown to folks, it began to corrupt the fishmasters becoming Rod Wraiths, the souless fishermen, seeded the hole with other fishermen killed by Rodwraiths.
Ao and newly revived Mystria and discovered the legendary rod was no longer hidden and corrupting, we cant do this, this must be done with higher plane of those who created us Gods of Toril, we need to summon them. They may not like it, one of faceless zen gods, send a message to a Gigantor known as Lan Thuliga, to find a original legendary rod and to threw in cauldra of Hotenow and seen it destroyed, and all the legendary clones somehow shattered and the curse finally broken.
in the chain of events, players discovered legendary rod they owned, broken beyond of repairs.
This end of the Rod saga.
calling "Rod Wraiths" was a joke word for fishing bots.
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not many go fishing in Sea of Moving Ice.
seem devs dont put survey or poll for players' opinions, it made them seem having a power trip and players are not happy seeing what they enjoy for long time and get taken away.
we need devs be more social active on this forum pages, not that other tweet or FB or reggit sites, Just Homepage site here! i dont understand why using Moderators as messengers when that job was to keep forum civil and clean.
new texture for ice fishing look okay, but too slippy and new format are hated and some players are having issue with q, e, and r keys are error prone due to finger reflexions for specific players, and wanted old format back or more simpler fishing mode.
my suggestion was, make the ice holes little more shorter or expand larger pond for extra ice pools and more room 'to run around"
one more thing, i even dont like "Waiting for a bite" it too long, i clocked few time i waited for 30 seconds for next bite before reeling in. that dont work for some players, they get 10-14 fishes/starlights in 15 mins, i was pulling 6-7 fishes/stars in 15 mins, i had seen others pulled 30 fishes since they knew how to fish in SoMI.
i missed my legendary and not happy with 40 stars for exchange.
those 'crater like' pools seem look wrong, i have not seen any real ice hole pools like that when i went fishing ages ago. couldnt fish on ice since most winter got too warm and ice are thinner at my local areas.