Cryptic Team

crollax

i will talk about pvp, im an really old player with 5 year exp , always played TR. with bis gear and really with skilled players. i dont remember a module which i havent done less then 100 5v5 sync que. most of the modules we did more then thousend 5v5.

what i want to explain is for players and dev team. solo que is a practise area which doesnt have any meaning on lb because ppl do solo que try diffirent encounters atwills dailys gear and stuff like that to make their proper setup for real 5v5. so dont mind who is what in solo que

if u want to see something broken or bugged or exploit , u have to take 10 player with same skill base with same gear same encounter same atwill and same dailys and do a real 5v5 , then u would understand what is good what is bad. i never said in this 5 year something bugg or broken or exploit(ok maybe 1 2 time) but if u want to check out something which is broken u really have to see it the way i told u.

about the less ppl in pvp , yes there is less ppl in pvp only because PVP doesnt give u any reward, i mean by making or farming pvp u dont recive anything.

devs need to design something which will really support whole guilds in game like stronghold pvp but domination and boost ppl to make 5m teams and make them fight as this 5m team always, this way will give ppl bond eachother on voice communication and stuff also it will help to game to be more effective. imagine there is 50-60 5m teams which all of them fight for first slot and at the end of the mod this 1. place team recive a gift which has 20 coa ward blablalba like 10 15m worth gift. i belive everything will be diffirent then

i have seen alottttttttttttttt of pvp player , and i belive i have been voice communicate with atleast %90 of the pvp players since mod1 and this was the problem since 5 years. so instead of creating diffirent things like 20v20 10v10 , better first do this system on 5v5 belive me then u will see alot of 10v10 happening and 20v20 , if u dont fix smallest stone in the pvp which is 5v5 u never can fix biggers.

sync que was the solution on pains , i remember nights which we were trying to que hours and wasnt matching with eachother, they have bringed it but it was kinda late;p

for the players who play pvp , i want to tell something also , pls dont whine about things guyz because u would never been able to see what is really broken or not without making a real skill base 5v5 rainbow mirror matches with all same thing. just play with diffirent things and stuff and try to explore your class more becauseeeeee so many ppl think that they are best when they are bis;D and their ego go so high because they farmed alot and once they are bis they think that. so many ppl has 0 exp about their class

never forget that pve is only an accesory to be able to reach your pvp section. then u enter totally another league which there is no computer vs u


i hope crypic team devs and all these ppl can understand what i mean anddddd consider my words because im writing by hand which has an exp alotttttt in this game expecially and actually only PVP i gave my years to make PVP bound alotttt of players to eachother through voice chats. ppl cant have powerfull bonds only with guild, they need to hear eachother and best way to do is PVP

and if u ask me tr will be ok only if they give TRs open stealth mechanic back again what they did in m5, once u attack from stealth u get visible 3 sec this featre will take off all confort from tr


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wdj40

Urgh.... if everyone keeps making their own threads and tagging all of the Dev's, they are just going to switch off or not bother reading anymore

kreatyve

wdj40 said:

Urgh.... if everyone keeps making their own threads and tagging all of the Dev's, they are just going to switch off or not bother reading anymore

The devs get 10s, and sometimes hundreds of mentions a day, I don't think they all check. Mentioning them things that are outside their area of expertise probably does more harm than good, by slowing things down. I could be wrong though.

kvet

Aside from the obvious language barrier, I'm still not sure I understand the point of this thread? Here's what I took away:

1. In order to properly test PvP issues, you need to do a 5v5 premade with a team that's been specifically configured to test a specific bug/exploit.
2. Don't just complain - practice your class, do rigorous testing to prove some problem exists. You'll likely find there aren't nearly as many bugs as you think there are, and you might even enjoy it more once you know what you're doing.
   
3. Maxed out BiS PvPers are elitists that, because they have all the high end loot assume others that don't just suck at their class

Does that about cover it? If so, I'd agree with all three of these points.

It exceedingly rare that someone takes the time to execute a well defined test, is able to reproduce some bug/exploit reliably, and then provides specific steps for someone else to reproduce it. Just saying: "OMG TR iz broke, I got 1 hit and NW pvp is terrible, devs fix it!" doesn't really constitute a bug report. Silly phrasing aside, without data that shows proof and specific steps to reproduce some given defect - it could be a long time (if ever) before something is fixed. If QA can't - on their first try - replicate a bug, then it will get deprioritized and if they do come back to it later and still can't figure out how to replicate it, they'll like flag it as such and forget about it. I don't know the exact QA process for Cryptic, but I've worked in software development for more than 20 years, so I do know a thing or two about QA, release cycles, and general development processes...

crollax

i just want that people who work for crypic read it , im sure they have great ideas also but its just mine and i tought that might be usefull inorder to put in their mind such an ideas , they dont need to do exact thing just an approximent ideas, also players who is wasting their life on forums for whining , instead of playing game and increase their skill base.

more then %90 of players havent even pass %50 skill cap in the game

skill>everything if u know how to move and what to do properly then nothing should bother u ,

reward at PVP is a MUST. otherwise ppl will keep playing against computers (pve) . thats what i want to tell only

solo que is awsome for having fun but playing as a team more important in 5v5

wdj40

crollax said:

i just want that people who work for crypic read it , im sure they have great ideas also but its just mine and i tought that might be usefull inorder to put in their mind such an ideas , they dont need to do exact thing just an approximent ideas, also players who is wasting their life on forums for whining , instead of playing game and increase their skill base.

more then %90 of players havent even pass %50 skill cap in the game

skill>everything if u know how to move and what to do properly then nothing should bother u ,

reward at PVP is a MUST. otherwise ppl will keep playing against computers (pve) . thats what i want to tell only

solo que is awsome for having fun but playing as a team more important in 5v5

The point is... there are already recent threads like this, one a Dev has even responded to... that is your best bet, posting in a thread already exisiting for this exact purpose

crollax

wdj40 said:

crollax said:

i just want that people who work for crypic read it , im sure they have great ideas also but its just mine and i tought that might be usefull inorder to put in their mind such an ideas , they dont need to do exact thing just an approximent ideas, also players who is wasting their life on forums for whining , instead of playing game and increase their skill base.

more then %90 of players havent even pass %50 skill cap in the game

skill>everything if u know how to move and what to do properly then nothing should bother u ,

reward at PVP is a MUST. otherwise ppl will keep playing against computers (pve) . thats what i want to tell only

solo que is awsome for having fun but playing as a team more important in 5v5

The point is... there are already recent threads like this, one a Dev has even responded to... that is your best bet, posting in a thread already exisiting for this exact purpose

they always read my post dont worry also they dont need to respond as long as they read it once my misson is complete:)

cilginordek

wdj40 said:

Urgh.... if everyone keeps making their own threads and tagging all of the Dev's, they are just going to switch off or not bother reading anymore

But my opinions are obviously more important than everybody elses and deserve another thread. They are also things other people have not mentioned before.

crollax

cilginordek said:

wdj40 said:

Urgh.... if everyone keeps making their own threads and tagging all of the Dev's, they are just going to switch off or not bother reading anymore

But my opinions are obviously more important than everybody elses and deserve another thread. They are also things other people have not mentioned before.

they are not more important bro but atleast they deserve a single thread and i dont want that my opinions loose on somebody elses thread

schietindebux

Sry, but I can´t see the points of your list that will change devs minds or differ from any other threat in the past tbh.
Some cryptic stuff and vague hints about "broken" things, mirror matches (agreed) and player that overestimate their abilities, compared to yours I guess, and by that are not allowed to post anything about PVP ?
It sounds a bit "lordly" even tough I think it´s not ment that way and I got your point about player (like me) that use to pug PVP and do not investigate stuff hours and hours in privat matches.
But the core problems about PVP are known pretty much since ages imo and leaderboard tells a lot about classbalance atm, without precisely telling us why it is that way (we know the reasons allready )
I think if you want responses in a threat you need to be either more specific or go on with posting most broken things personally to prevent anyone from abusing mentioned things etc.
I also think that TR´s might not be that powerfull in premades since they got to face OP+DC plus another striker... but who can tell if PVP should be measured all the time following "BIS premade rainbow setups" with pro player or simple "randomqueue scrub-PVP" who allways are far >90% of the player entering PVP, where it looks like if a "well build TR" at any IL owns the other classes on the same IL 1:1 (and this is the boring history of NWO PVP since years now), partly caused by statinflation and some powers/feats, leading to broken synergies between dailies and gearprocs and Insigniaboni etc..

crollax

schietindebux said:

Sry, but I can´t see the points of your list that will change devs minds or differ from any other threat in the past tbh.
Some cryptic stuff and vague hints about "broken" things, mirror matches (agreed) and player that overestimate their abilities, compared to yours I guess, and by that are not allowed to post anything about PVP ?
It sounds a bit "lordly" even tough I think it´s not ment that way and I got your point about player (like me) that use to pug PVP and do not investigate stuff hours and hours in privat matches.
But the core problems about PVP are known pretty much since ages imo and leaderboard tells a lot about classbalance atm, without precisely telling us why it is that way (we know the reasons allready )
I think if you want responses in a threat you need to be either more specific or go on with posting most broken things personally to prevent anyone from abusing mentioned things etc.
I also think that TR´s might not be that powerfull in premades since they got to face OP+DC plus another striker... but who can tell if PVP should be measured all the time following "BIS premade rainbow setups" with pro player or simple "randomqueue scrub-PVP" who allways are far >90% of the player entering PVP, where it looks like if a "well build TR" at any IL owns the other classes on the same IL 1:1 (and this is the boring history of NWO PVP since years now), partly caused by statinflation and some powers/feats, leading to broken synergies between dailies and gearprocs and Insigniaboni etc..

u cant understand me m8 , its ok np man:p im telling u how it suppose to be and i really dont wait to make u any sense bro , its ok

crollax

so stealth mechanic change came as i tought so , thats cool

pve trs are sad because they think they got nerf but its easy dudeeee , it was so stupid that trs was getting crit enchants anyway lol a class which has %100 crit from stealth stuck crit?:D

guyz u will all come what i say get rid of your HAMSTER crit and use power arp reco , and burn your gc

stealth nerf was neccesery now trs wont be that confortable anymore , butttt the ones who know how to predict next attack will really hurt alot even more then now in pvp , i already made a build which one shot everybody easy

crollax

if u are cleaver little bit get lifesteal i have %50 lifesteal with alot of stealseverity and i dont actually die at all

easy bb spam sod damage is done

easy spam itc and god mode is done

easy spamm encounter is done

now time to predict and use proper thing in proper time and get your reward days.