greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,152Arc User
No, she actually doesn't. She thinks one of the console platforms are still running in China. She has not taken the time/effort to check whether or not that is still true.
No disproving you or harming of any animals took place in her post.
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
Well, they closed down the game on pc in China when the law forcing info on droprates came, now why would they turn down a big market like that....
It's not causative. They were already in the process of closing the game down way before the law actually took effect. The game was not doing well in China. Population was low. You couldn't queue for anything because the game was dead. Also, that was just the PC server. The consoles were up for months later. I believe one of the consoles still has the game over there, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't really follow it. You really need to do some research if you are going to use that as evidence.
The definition of gambling is little more than a wager of your own money against a desired outcome. Wether or not you get that outcome is irrelevant to this, thats why its called a gamble. Not even sure why im replying since it would seem my comments on this issue are being deleted.
You do not need to spend your own money to open lockboxes is the whole point here. You can earn the Zen through other means. Also *puts on moderator hat* your comments were in the spam queue, they have been restored to their location, nothing was "deleted". *takes moderator hat back off*
you yourself use "i believe" in a statement to disprove me, maybe im not the only one that should do research.
Nah, cause I honestly don't care. I know what I'm getting into when I make the decision to buy keys. There has been enough anecdotal evidence to show that the drop rates on the legendary items are extremely low. I do not need the company to show me drop rates.
Because you are an experienced player, new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
No, she actually doesn't. She thinks one of the console platforms are still running in China. She has not taken the time/effort to check whether or not that is still true.
No disproving you or harming of any animals took place in her post.
happy for the animals
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greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,152Arc User
New players have an entire game full of experienced players they can ask once they're able to speak in chat and get past the trolls that will answer them.
New players have a forum here where they can ask experienced players. Generally with much less trolling.
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
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kreatyveMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 10,545Community Moderator
Well, they closed down the game on pc in China when the law forcing info on droprates came, now why would they turn down a big market like that....
It's not causative. They were already in the process of closing the game down way before the law actually took effect. The game was not doing well in China. Population was low. You couldn't queue for anything because the game was dead. Also, that was just the PC server. The consoles were up for months later. I believe one of the consoles still has the game over there, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't really follow it. You really need to do some research if you are going to use that as evidence.
The definition of gambling is little more than a wager of your own money against a desired outcome. Wether or not you get that outcome is irrelevant to this, thats why its called a gamble. Not even sure why im replying since it would seem my comments on this issue are being deleted.
You do not need to spend your own money to open lockboxes is the whole point here. You can earn the Zen through other means. Also *puts on moderator hat* your comments were in the spam queue, they have been restored to their location, nothing was "deleted". *takes moderator hat back off*
you yourself use "i believe" in a statement to disprove me, maybe im not the only one that should do research.
Nah, cause I honestly don't care. I know what I'm getting into when I make the decision to buy keys. There has been enough anecdotal evidence to show that the drop rates on the legendary items are extremely low. I do not need the company to show me drop rates.
Because you are an experienced player, new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
Do you always spend money without doing research as to what you are getting into? I would hope that most people don't. New players should probably check into things before buying a stack of 50 keys.
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Well, they closed down the game on pc in China when the law forcing info on droprates came, now why would they turn down a big market like that....
It's not causative. They were already in the process of closing the game down way before the law actually took effect. The game was not doing well in China. Population was low. You couldn't queue for anything because the game was dead. Also, that was just the PC server. The consoles were up for months later. I believe one of the consoles still has the game over there, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't really follow it. You really need to do some research if you are going to use that as evidence.
The definition of gambling is little more than a wager of your own money against a desired outcome. Wether or not you get that outcome is irrelevant to this, thats why its called a gamble. Not even sure why im replying since it would seem my comments on this issue are being deleted.
You do not need to spend your own money to open lockboxes is the whole point here. You can earn the Zen through other means. Also *puts on moderator hat* your comments were in the spam queue, they have been restored to their location, nothing was "deleted". *takes moderator hat back off*
you yourself use "i believe" in a statement to disprove me, maybe im not the only one that should do research.
Nah, cause I honestly don't care. I know what I'm getting into when I make the decision to buy keys. There has been enough anecdotal evidence to show that the drop rates on the legendary items are extremely low. I do not need the company to show me drop rates.
Because you are an experienced player, new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
Do you always spend money without doing research as to what you are getting into? I would hope that most people don't. New players should probably check into things before buying a stack of 50 keys.
I do try, but i could not find any info on official sites, i had to go to youtube to find any info of substance. But i dont expect 13 yrs old children to do that research, maybe when they are at 50 pack nr 3 and wonder why stuff dont drop.
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kreatyveMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 10,545Community Moderator
Well, they closed down the game on pc in China when the law forcing info on droprates came, now why would they turn down a big market like that....
It's not causative. They were already in the process of closing the game down way before the law actually took effect. The game was not doing well in China. Population was low. You couldn't queue for anything because the game was dead. Also, that was just the PC server. The consoles were up for months later. I believe one of the consoles still has the game over there, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't really follow it. You really need to do some research if you are going to use that as evidence.
The definition of gambling is little more than a wager of your own money against a desired outcome. Wether or not you get that outcome is irrelevant to this, thats why its called a gamble. Not even sure why im replying since it would seem my comments on this issue are being deleted.
You do not need to spend your own money to open lockboxes is the whole point here. You can earn the Zen through other means. Also *puts on moderator hat* your comments were in the spam queue, they have been restored to their location, nothing was "deleted". *takes moderator hat back off*
you yourself use "i believe" in a statement to disprove me, maybe im not the only one that should do research.
Nah, cause I honestly don't care. I know what I'm getting into when I make the decision to buy keys. There has been enough anecdotal evidence to show that the drop rates on the legendary items are extremely low. I do not need the company to show me drop rates.
Because you are an experienced player, new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
Do you always spend money without doing research as to what you are getting into? I would hope that most people don't. New players should probably check into things before buying a stack of 50 keys.
I do try, but i could not find any info on official sites, i had to go to youtube to find any info of substance. But i dont expect 13 yrs old children to do that research, maybe when they are at 50 pack nr 3 and wonder why stuff dont drop.
I would hope that a 13 yr old's parents are monitoring their spending. I certainly do not let my children purchase stuff on the internet without doing my own research on it. It's just responsible parenting.
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Well, they closed down the game on pc in China when the law forcing info on droprates came, now why would they turn down a big market like that....
It's not causative. They were already in the process of closing the game down way before the law actually took effect. The game was not doing well in China. Population was low. You couldn't queue for anything because the game was dead. Also, that was just the PC server. The consoles were up for months later. I believe one of the consoles still has the game over there, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't really follow it. You really need to do some research if you are going to use that as evidence.
The definition of gambling is little more than a wager of your own money against a desired outcome. Wether or not you get that outcome is irrelevant to this, thats why its called a gamble. Not even sure why im replying since it would seem my comments on this issue are being deleted.
You do not need to spend your own money to open lockboxes is the whole point here. You can earn the Zen through other means. Also *puts on moderator hat* your comments were in the spam queue, they have been restored to their location, nothing was "deleted". *takes moderator hat back off*
you yourself use "i believe" in a statement to disprove me, maybe im not the only one that should do research.
Nah, cause I honestly don't care. I know what I'm getting into when I make the decision to buy keys. There has been enough anecdotal evidence to show that the drop rates on the legendary items are extremely low. I do not need the company to show me drop rates.
Because you are an experienced player, new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
Do you always spend money without doing research as to what you are getting into? I would hope that most people don't. New players should probably check into things before buying a stack of 50 keys.
I do try, but i could not find any info on official sites, i had to go to youtube to find any info of substance. But i dont expect 13 yrs old children to do that research, maybe when they are at 50 pack nr 3 and wonder why stuff dont drop.
I would hope that a 13 yr old's parents are monitoring their spending. I certainly do not let my children purchase stuff on the internet without doing my own research on it. It's just responsible parenting.
To that last I do very much agree, do you by chance have a link to some information on what they have on droprates?
Well, they closed down the game on pc in China when the law forcing info on droprates came, now why would they turn down a big market like that....
It's not causative. They were already in the process of closing the game down way before the law actually took effect. The game was not doing well in China. Population was low. You couldn't queue for anything because the game was dead. Also, that was just the PC server. The consoles were up for months later. I believe one of the consoles still has the game over there, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't really follow it. You really need to do some research if you are going to use that as evidence.
The definition of gambling is little more than a wager of your own money against a desired outcome. Wether or not you get that outcome is irrelevant to this, thats why its called a gamble. Not even sure why im replying since it would seem my comments on this issue are being deleted.
You do not need to spend your own money to open lockboxes is the whole point here. You can earn the Zen through other means. Also *puts on moderator hat* your comments were in the spam queue, they have been restored to their location, nothing was "deleted". *takes moderator hat back off*
you yourself use "i believe" in a statement to disprove me, maybe im not the only one that should do research.
Nah, cause I honestly don't care. I know what I'm getting into when I make the decision to buy keys. There has been enough anecdotal evidence to show that the drop rates on the legendary items are extremely low. I do not need the company to show me drop rates.
Because you are an experienced player, new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
Do you always spend money without doing research as to what you are getting into? I would hope that most people don't. New players should probably check into things before buying a stack of 50 keys.
I do try, but i could not find any info on official sites, i had to go to youtube to find any info of substance. But i dont expect 13 yrs old children to do that research, maybe when they are at 50 pack nr 3 and wonder why stuff dont drop.
I would hope that a 13 yr old's parents are monitoring their spending. I certainly do not let my children purchase stuff on the internet without doing my own research on it. It's just responsible parenting.
To that last I do very much agree, do you by chance have a link to some information on what they have on droprates?
You're being disingenuous. Also, parents can make a decision without knowing the EXACT rate of drop.
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kreatyveMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 10,545Community Moderator
Well, they closed down the game on pc in China when the law forcing info on droprates came, now why would they turn down a big market like that....
It's not causative. They were already in the process of closing the game down way before the law actually took effect. The game was not doing well in China. Population was low. You couldn't queue for anything because the game was dead. Also, that was just the PC server. The consoles were up for months later. I believe one of the consoles still has the game over there, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't really follow it. You really need to do some research if you are going to use that as evidence.
The definition of gambling is little more than a wager of your own money against a desired outcome. Wether or not you get that outcome is irrelevant to this, thats why its called a gamble. Not even sure why im replying since it would seem my comments on this issue are being deleted.
You do not need to spend your own money to open lockboxes is the whole point here. You can earn the Zen through other means. Also *puts on moderator hat* your comments were in the spam queue, they have been restored to their location, nothing was "deleted". *takes moderator hat back off*
you yourself use "i believe" in a statement to disprove me, maybe im not the only one that should do research.
Nah, cause I honestly don't care. I know what I'm getting into when I make the decision to buy keys. There has been enough anecdotal evidence to show that the drop rates on the legendary items are extremely low. I do not need the company to show me drop rates.
Because you are an experienced player, new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
Do you always spend money without doing research as to what you are getting into? I would hope that most people don't. New players should probably check into things before buying a stack of 50 keys.
I do try, but i could not find any info on official sites, i had to go to youtube to find any info of substance. But i dont expect 13 yrs old children to do that research, maybe when they are at 50 pack nr 3 and wonder why stuff dont drop.
I would hope that a 13 yr old's parents are monitoring their spending. I certainly do not let my children purchase stuff on the internet without doing my own research on it. It's just responsible parenting.
To that last I do very much agree, do you by chance have a link to some information on what they have on droprates?
As I said, most of my information is anecdotal. I don't have any specific links at the moment, but I will keep an eye out. The only only source for droprates I know of is banned from these forums for other reasons.
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> @litaaers said: > The argument that lockbox content isnt required and is "optional" is kind of a tired defense. > > Please explain 'tired defense'. Are you saying Kreatyve's isn't true? Also, scare quotes are not an argument*. > The fact that games even have these mechanics at all anymore is shadey, manipulative and predatory. > > > Speculation and opinion. Not an argument*. > The game showers you with lockboxes, hundreds of them, but you cant open a single one unless you are willing to open your wallet for enchanted keys. > > > False. Keys are obtainable by playing the game. > > My problem with lockboxes however is that as a form of gambling (nobody will ever convince me that lootboxes are NOT gambling) > > Not an argument*. As a matter of fact, since no one can ever convince you, that makes you an ideologue, and not part of the discussion (other than as noise to the signal). > > they are unregulated and can lead to serious addiction problems in people of all ages. Thats why hawaiin senator chris lee and representatives from many other states (and countries) are actively looking into legislation. Sorry for the rant, but lockboxes need to go. > > Other than the statements about reps 'looking into legislation' (which in itself is nothing of consequence.... people have 'looked into' things for years, to no effect), opinion and unevidenced conclusion. > > > Nothing personal, of course. > > > *Credit: TM -Stefan Molyneux
So are you saying that my statement about active legislation is false? Do i need to show you footage from just last week on chris lees own youtube page? Because a senator actively questioning reps feom the esa and esrb in front of a pannel looks pretty damn serious to me. Nothing i have said is speculative
The definition of gambling is little more than a wager of your own money against a desired outcome. Wether or not you get that outcome is irrelevant to this, thats why its called a gamble. Not even sure why im replying since it would seem my comments on this issue are being deleted.
What's essentially going on here is people taking the definitive definition of "gamble" or "gambling" and reconstructing it to fit into the realm of video games.
Considerable "loss" in video games comes from conscious decisions. If a player cannot control their spending it is NOT the fault of the game. There is an amount of responsibility ALL players must take and when players put their responsibilities off onto the game a lot of "problems" rise and a number of them could/would be circumvented by players taking responsibility for their own choices...
There has been enough anecdotal evidence to show that the drop rates on the legendary items are extremely low. I do not need the company to show me drop rates.
As kreatyve stated there's evidence to show particular routes in the game are not consistently rewarding yet seemingly players ignore these "warning" signs, continually proceed forward with them and yet complain and blame the game...
Because you are an experienced player, new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
Here's that "players have to spend money" argument again...
A number of players seem to think the internet is only for playing games. Anybody can research drop rates on a game and more than likely e met with dozens of complaints about drop rates. Ignorance of readily available information is not an excuse.
Lol the kind of comments im seeing here are unbelievable. Some of you would even defend the lootboxes on star wars battlefront 2
Personally disagree with buying a game (one time cost), paying to be able to play online (continual cost) and spending additional money on chances at things, would rather take those first two costs, add a little more and spend it on Neverwinter.
About $160 total Black Friday Zen Sale = 22,000 Zen Sell at 410 each (Astral diamond Exchange) or more = over 9kk AD (million)
Average amount of about $13/month and well within the realm of responsible spending.
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The definition of gambling is little more than a wager of your own money against a desired outcome. Wether or not you get that outcome is irrelevant to this, thats why its called a gamble. Not even sure why im replying since it would seem my comments on this issue are being deleted.
What's essentially going on here is people taking the definitive definition of "gamble" or "gambling" and reconstructing it to fit into the realm of video games.
Considerable "loss" in video games comes from conscious decisions. If a player cannot control their spending it is NOT the fault of the game. There is an amount of responsibility ALL players must take and when players put their responsibilities off onto the game a lot of "problems" rise and a number of them could/would be circumvented by players taking responsibility for their own choices...
There has been enough anecdotal evidence to show that the drop rates on the legendary items are extremely low. I do not need the company to show me drop rates.
As kreatyve stated there's evidence to show particular routes in the game are not consistently rewarding yet seemingly players ignore these "warning" signs, continually proceed forward with them and yet complain and blame the game...
Because you are an experienced player, new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
Here's that "players have to spend money" argument again...
A number of players seem to think the internet is only for playing games. Anybody can research drop rates on a game and more than likely e met with dozens of complaints about drop rates. Ignorance of readily available information is not an excuse.
Lol the kind of comments im seeing here are unbelievable. Some of you would even defend the lootboxes on star wars battlefront 2
Personally disagree with buying a game (one time cost), paying to be able to play online (continual cost) and spending additional money on chances at things, would rather take those first two costs, add a little more and spend it on Neverwinter.
About $160 total Black Friday Zen Sale = 22,000 Zen Sell at 410 each (Astral diamond Exchange) or more = over 9kk AD (million)
Average amount of about $13/month and well within the realm of responsible spending.
Read it again before you attribute me repeating arguments
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kreatyveMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 10,545Community Moderator
Lol the kind of comments im seeing here are unbelievable. Some of you would even defend the lootboxes on star wars battlefront 2
Huge difference. Neverwinter is free to play and you can earn Zen to buy whatever you want without spending a dime. SWBF2 is not free. As far as I am aware you can't earn whatever it is to open the lootboxes free either. I haven't played the game nor have I done enough research in it to know if that's truly the case or not.
But the point is - you do not have to spend a single dime in Neverwinter for ANYTHING if you choose not to. Most people choose to pay because it's quicker and easier, but it's not something that you HAVE to do. There have even been a few people who have reached end game content without spending a single dime.
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kreatyveMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 10,545Community Moderator
@siggtomten29 Here's a tip for you - the lockbox that is coming out on PC tomorrow - it's not worth opening. Most common drop from it will be Adventurer's Packs, I can almost guarantee that.
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Read it again before you attribute me repeating arguments
The argument itself has been repeated long before you and will continue to be repeated long after you.
New players spending money on a system they are unfamiliar with is their choice though they don't have to (even though there is loads of information about it readily available).
As a number of others have previously mentioned the most sought after things can be acquired free of charge, it takes in-game effort though which a LOT of players do not want to put in which in turn leaves their options very limited and then often enough they falsely make the argument that they HAVE to spend money.
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@siggtomten29 Here's a tip for you - the lockbox that is coming out on PC tomorrow - it's not worth opening. Most common drop from it will be Adventurer's Packs, I can almost guarantee that.
passive-aggressive trolling from a moderator, did not expect that. im out.
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greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,152Arc User
Is it trolling? Seems to me the way RNG tends to run with lockboxes, she is honestly telling you what to expect.
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> Lockbox contents are not required for advancement. Sure, they are really nice, but you can get nearly everything needed for advancement without them. You aren't forced to buy them or open them. Yes, it will take you a LOT longer for advancement without any of the contents of lockboxes, but you can advance without them. You can have everything you need, including a legendary mount, without lockboxes. Add to the fact that most of the items inside of lockboxes is unbound, you can just get the stuff off the AH without opening a single one.
The argument that lockbox content isnt required and is "optional" is kind of a tired defense. The fact that games even have these mechanics at all anymore is shadey, manipulative and predatory.
The game showers you with lockboxes, hundreds of them, but you cant open a single one unless you are willing to open your wallet for enchanted keys. My problem with lockboxes however is that as a form of gambling (nobody will ever convince me that lootboxes are NOT gambling) they are unregulated and can lead to serious addiction problems in people of all ages. Thats why hawaiin senator chris lee and representatives from many other states (and countries) are actively looking into legislation. Sorry for the rant, but lockboxes need to go.
while I agree on a lot of what you said. I don't want lock boxes to go. I love them. lol. actually part of why I stay. I look on them as a guilty occasional indulgence. and I use in game earned currency for them as a general rule. I do think they need to post odds though. it is gambling. no doubt about that. gambling laws everywhere require odds be posted. this should not be exempt as it is purchased by many with real world money. and many do seem to have this idea that they're going to get what they want by buying keys.
If it is gambling under the definition of gambling law, a lot of players cannot play this game at all. There is a minimum age and there is also a tax implication.
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kreatyveMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 10,545Community Moderator
@siggtomten29 Here's a tip for you - the lockbox that is coming out on PC tomorrow - it's not worth opening. Most common drop from it will be Adventurer's Packs, I can almost guarantee that.
passive-aggressive trolling from a moderator, did not expect that. im out.
Not trolling at all. I'm being 100% honest with you about what is expected from the new lockbox, unfortunately.
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Do I care if a lockbox is classified as a form of gambling or not? Not really. Lots of stuff is a gamble in life. It is not like we don't know the odds against us getting any of the good stuff from boxes. I just do not know for sure if it is .00010 or .00015 an dI do nto need to know to understand it is low. LOL
Bottom line, I do not mind the call for us to accept that Lockboxes are a form of gambling, but I do not agree that they then need to be deleted from the game. I think people are crazy if they think the removal of lockboxes will somehow make it easier to get the good stuff. They will just lock it behind pay walls and then lock those behind grind walls so you will still only see a legendary once in a blue moon.
EDIT: Fixed some spelling errors. (Hope I got them all)
... new players dont know that, and they have to assume, at the cost of real money for a pack of 50 keys, ppl assume they get their moneys worth. When the company leaves new unknowing players in the blind like that, i find it dishonest.
So as a new player I am too stupid to figure out a super rare item is super rare? Really? I think you are reaching on that one. I admit I do nto know the real odds but when I see someone like Minime open thousands of lock boxes and in one video he didn''t get anylegendary and in another only one I am smart enough to look at his drop rate of one per 2-3 thousand and to see the label is beyond rare and figure I will not be getting one any time soon.
I do try, but i could not find any info on official sites, i had to go to youtube to find any info of substance. But i dont expect 13 yrs old children to do that research, maybe when they are at 50 pack nr 3 and wonder why stuff dont drop.
There are lots of threads here on this official forum that discuss the low drop rates for items. How could you not have found anything on "official sites"?
... do you by chance have a link to some information on what they have on droprates?
Might I suggest you start your search using the search button and type in "drop rates" and then begin to read the many discussions just on this forum alone.
Hmm, I have to say, I am seeing some group gang tactics going on.
The person that started this thread asked some very hard and honest questions about the RNG and the involvment of real life currency. From what I've seen of the redirects, misdirects and general way this thread has gone, it's clear that while the choice to spend currency, play style and acceptance of the "rewards vs risks" is a personal choice, however, the company (ie. Cryptic) is engaging in a dance around the accountability to the players to give some transparency as to what they are investing their time (and/or) money in the game.
While the moderator and cronies continue to either passive aggresively (or outright flame) the starter of this thread, that still does not detract from their question. It amplifies it. Since the state of the game has been deteriorating, it should be noted that more and more of these questions will arise and take prominence. There is no reason/excuse for unprofessionalism, even for a "free" employee acting on behalf of the company. I do understand tempers and frustrations do flare, as we all are passionate about the game and the community behind it.
I also have to add, there was no mention of removing the lockboxes by the person starting the thread.
You bring up a great point, the subject clearly has strong opinions on both sides. And in some cases the OPs points have been lost. But to say only one side of the argument has been posting "either passive aggresively (or outright flame) " posts is not fair either.
I also have to add, there was no mention of removing the lockboxes by the person starting the thread.
True, the comment about the need for Lockboxes "to go" came later in the thread and was not posted by the OP. But at that point many folks were posting their opinions and not all reactions were to the OPs post either.
So are you saying that my statement about active legislation is false? Do i need to show you footage from just last week on chris lees own youtube page? Because a senator actively questioning reps feom the esa and esrb in front of a pannel looks pretty damn serious to me. Nothing i have said is speculative
No, I specifically said that OTHER THAN the statements about 'looking into legislation', the rest is opinion.
The side comment about Senators 'looking into' things is based upon many hours of watching CSPAN, and seeing the partisan sides ask loaded questions for attention, and then doing nothing else about a subject.
'a senator actively questioning reps feom the esa and esrb in front of a pannel ' only looks serious for a moment. Once you've seen it happen dozens of times, you realize the long con.
... The person that started this thread asked some very hard and honest questions about the RNG and the involvment of real life currency. ...
As allready posted, you don't even have to spend a single Penny to get lockbox keys, and even if you only pull the rare rewards from the lockbox, you'll probably make enough AD through selling those packs to get another round of ViP or more lockbox keys.
About the other points in the opening post: + Campaigns, get one character through it and you can craft a token, that will half the grind for any following character. Or use fishing during the Winter Festival event to get some extra campaign resources. Or exchange AD into ZEN, buy the campaign tokens pack during winter/summer sale, use the tokens you want and sell the other ones later when the prices have recovered.
+ Professions, i haven't bought anything special from the AH or the ZEN store, and i can still make AD with them...
+ Characters, if you want more, buy more when there is a winter/summer sale with the ZEN you get through AD. Have one main character and use the other alt. characters for invoking/professions (good source for some extra AD without grinding...), or when you feel like playing another class.
+ Dungeon/skirmish runs, join a guild or build your own group for it, and tell your group right from the start what you've in mind for the current run.
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New players have a forum here where they can ask experienced players. Generally with much less trolling.
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You're being disingenuous. Also, parents can make a decision without knowing the EXACT rate of drop.
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> The argument that lockbox content isnt required and is "optional" is kind of a tired defense.
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> Please explain 'tired defense'. Are you saying Kreatyve's isn't true? Also, scare quotes are not an argument*.
> The fact that games even have these mechanics at all anymore is shadey, manipulative and predatory.
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> Speculation and opinion. Not an argument*.
> The game showers you with lockboxes, hundreds of them, but you cant open a single one unless you are willing to open your wallet for enchanted keys.
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> False. Keys are obtainable by playing the game.
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> My problem with lockboxes however is that as a form of gambling (nobody will ever convince me that lootboxes are NOT gambling)
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> Not an argument*. As a matter of fact, since no one can ever convince you, that makes you an ideologue, and not part of the discussion (other than as noise to the signal).
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> they are unregulated and can lead to serious addiction problems in people of all ages. Thats why hawaiin senator chris lee and representatives from many other states (and countries) are actively looking into legislation. Sorry for the rant, but lockboxes need to go.
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> Other than the statements about reps 'looking into legislation' (which in itself is nothing of consequence.... people have 'looked into' things for years, to no effect), opinion and unevidenced conclusion.
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> Nothing personal, of course.
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> *Credit: TM -Stefan Molyneux
So are you saying that my statement about active legislation is false? Do i need to show you footage from just last week on chris lees own youtube page? Because a senator actively questioning reps feom the esa and esrb in front of a pannel looks pretty damn serious to me. Nothing i have said is speculative
Considerable "loss" in video games comes from conscious decisions. If a player cannot control their spending it is NOT the fault of the game. There is an amount of responsibility ALL players must take and when players put their responsibilities off onto the game a lot of "problems" rise and a number of them could/would be circumvented by players taking responsibility for their own choices... As kreatyve stated there's evidence to show particular routes in the game are not consistently rewarding yet seemingly players ignore these "warning" signs, continually proceed forward with them and yet complain and blame the game... Here's that "players have to spend money" argument again...
A number of players seem to think the internet is only for playing games. Anybody can research drop rates on a game and more than likely e met with dozens of complaints about drop rates. Ignorance of readily available information is not an excuse. Personally disagree with buying a game (one time cost), paying to be able to play online (continual cost) and spending additional money on chances at things, would rather take those first two costs, add a little more and spend it on Neverwinter.
About $160 total
Black Friday Zen Sale = 22,000 Zen
Sell at 410 each (Astral diamond Exchange) or more
= over 9kk AD (million)
Average amount of about $13/month and well within the realm of responsible spending.
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But the point is - you do not have to spend a single dime in Neverwinter for ANYTHING if you choose not to. Most people choose to pay because it's quicker and easier, but it's not something that you HAVE to do. There have even been a few people who have reached end game content without spending a single dime.
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New players spending money on a system they are unfamiliar with is their choice though they don't have to (even though there is loads of information about it readily available).
As a number of others have previously mentioned the most sought after things can be acquired free of charge, it takes in-game effort though which a LOT of players do not want to put in which in turn leaves their options very limited and then often enough they falsely make the argument that they HAVE to spend money.
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Bottom line, I do not mind the call for us to accept that Lockboxes are a form of gambling, but I do not agree that they then need to be deleted from the game. I think people are crazy if they think the removal of lockboxes will somehow make it easier to get the good stuff. They will just lock it behind pay walls and then lock those behind grind walls so you will still only see a legendary once in a blue moon.
EDIT: Fixed some spelling errors. (Hope I got them all)
The person that started this thread asked some very hard and honest questions about the RNG and the involvment of real life currency. From what I've seen of the redirects, misdirects and general way this thread has gone, it's clear that while the choice to spend currency, play style and acceptance of the "rewards vs risks" is a personal choice, however, the company (ie. Cryptic) is engaging in a dance around the accountability to the players to give some transparency as to what they are investing their time (and/or) money in the game.
While the moderator and cronies continue to either passive aggresively (or outright flame) the starter of this thread, that still does not detract from their question. It amplifies it. Since the state of the game has been deteriorating, it should be noted that more and more of these questions will arise and take prominence. There is no reason/excuse for unprofessionalism, even for a "free" employee acting on behalf of the company. I do understand tempers and frustrations do flare, as we all are passionate about the game and the community behind it.
I also have to add, there was no mention of removing the lockboxes by the person starting the thread.
True, the comment about the need for Lockboxes "to go" came later in the thread and was not posted by the OP. But at that point many folks were posting their opinions and not all reactions were to the OPs post either.
The side comment about Senators 'looking into' things is based upon many hours of watching CSPAN, and seeing the partisan sides ask loaded questions for attention, and then doing nothing else about a subject.
'a senator actively questioning reps feom the esa and esrb in front of a pannel ' only looks serious for a moment. Once you've seen it happen dozens of times, you realize the long con.
About the other points in the opening post:
+ Campaigns, get one character through it and you can craft a token, that will half the grind for any following character. Or use fishing during the Winter Festival event to get some extra campaign resources. Or exchange AD into ZEN, buy the campaign tokens pack during winter/summer sale, use the tokens you want and sell the other ones later when the prices have recovered.
+ Professions, i haven't bought anything special from the AH or the ZEN store, and i can still make AD with them...
+ Characters, if you want more, buy more when there is a winter/summer sale with the ZEN you get through AD. Have one main character and use the other alt. characters for invoking/professions (good source for some extra AD without grinding...), or when you feel like playing another class.
+ Dungeon/skirmish runs, join a guild or build your own group for it, and tell your group right from the start what you've in mind for the current run.