New pants from 12b skirmish are nice if your lifesteal needs a boost, and the soul seeker artifact is pretty good too.
Still wondering about dropping gambit for a 10% crit chance boost. That would also give me 10 points to stick in another feat tree. Decisions decisions.
New pants from 12b skirmish are nice if your lifesteal needs a boost, and the soul seeker artifact is pretty good too.
Still wondering about dropping gambit for a 10% crit chance boost. That would also give me 10 points to stick in another feat tree. Decisions decisions.
Don't do it. There is no need to drop gambit. And OMG the extra dmg from SV w/fixed Flurry + the black attire.... = HEAVEN... so OP.
Eh, I've got a spare load out since I'm not pvping on the HR this mod, I'll try the no-gambit version of my build and get back to you. After the bonding nerf I'm sitting with about 55k power and maybe 80% crit at best. Not very stable either way.
Ok, but for mobs it isn't a very big difference in terms of dps? I mean i understand it can be noticable ofc but benefits i'll get from careful attack propably will be better?
Depends where you are, in T1, T2 content, SW will be best because the final bosses go down quick, but if the bosses do have a huge base HP, cn orcus, fbi, tong etc. then pf is a much better choice.
Usually a SW HR will out-dps me before we get to the boss, depending on who gets to the trash mobs first, but on the boss I'll overtake, by either a huge amount, or not so huge, depending on item level.
Up to tier 2 (EToS, EGWD, ECC etc..) bosses usually don't live long enough for PF to shine but after that single-target damage becomes a lot more important.
That being said some nevertheless use SW even in ToNG and get good results.
The brand new artifact Soul Sight Crystal apparently also is great for boosting you damage against bosses. I'm working on one at the moment and will update the guide once I can try it at mythic quality.
So the Soul Sight Crystal is a 12.5 drop? Since I don't see the type (power, Stability, etc)....
Yes, a 12.5 exclusive item out of 12.5's Lockbox of the Lost. It's a common drop out of the artifact pack, but 12.5 makes refining artifacts a huge pain. The artifact works with all the good Combat HR stuff and I'd personally recommend it so as long as you can burn the boss/force a phase shift within the 10 sec timer. Or, if you're sick and tired of using the Wheel and want to try something different.
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Also, also, Corto, I have a question that I need expert HR analysis on:
Yes, a 12.5 exclusive item out of 12.5's Lockbox of the Lost. It's a common drop out of the artifact pack, but 12.5 makes refining artifacts a huge pain. The artifact works with all the good Combat HR stuff and I'd personally recommend it so as long as you can burn the boss/force a phase shift within the 10 sec timer. Or, if you're sick and tired of using the Wheel and want to try something different.Are HRs people?
Also, I hate the wheel so for me there's no option but to go for the crystal.
I just wish the ZAX would finally gimme some zen so I could buy pres wards. T_T
well man as u have stated its like dealing damage as Piercing damage bcoz Piercing Blade. And at max 50% of attack can not be resisted or deflected.. So are you sure to follow up to 85% Resistance Ignore... Do we really need it ?
well man as u have stated its like dealing damage as Piercing damage bcoz Piercing Blade. And at max 50% of attack can not be resisted or deflected.. So are you sure to follow up to 85% Resistance Ignore... Do we really need it ?
I think I see were you are going, but it's not going to work.
Piercing Blades deals 50% of the original damage, the total damage is 150%. The part of your damage done by piercing blades is 50 / 150 = 33%.
If you were to trade all your armor penetration for power, you'd get something like 12k power, probably less. That would increase you power damage buff by 3%. With 20k power, which is very little, you would go from 50% to 53% which translates into : (153-150) / 150 = 2% more damage.
So you'd be trading, on the one hand, over 50% of your damage for, on the other hand, an extra 2% damage, probably less.
So yes, investing in armor penetration is a good idea.
@artifleur did you consider to give a chance and compare the Feytouch vs Vorpal since mod 12b release most bugs should be solved now.
I finally took the time to test Feytouched on preview and it seems to be working just fine even with entity encounters, like Thorn Ward, and illusions from Mirage weapons.
Now let's compare it with Vorpal.
My critical chance is 95.8% and my critical severity is 144%.
My combat advantage damage is : (15% (base) + 10.3% (equipment) + 5% (charisma)) x 1.1 (underdark boon) = 33.33%
My Perfect Vorpal gives : (327.33 / 277.33 - 1) x 0.958 = 17% more damage
An Unparalelled Vorpal would give : (332.33 / 277.33 - 1) x 0.958 = 19% more damage
Unparalelled Vorpal also adds 3% DR debuff but its actual effect depends on how much DR debuff the target already has.
Feytouched on the other hand also adds a small amount of % weapon damage and a sizeable damage debuff but keep in mind only the targets hit by the encounter which triggers feytouched will get the debuff (the Aoe for it is very small).
One last thing to take into account is that the encounter which triggers Feytouched doesn't benefit from it. In the case of Plant Growth and Gushing Wounds, none of their ticks will benefit since their damage is set once and for all at the time you use them (before you get the feytouched buff). So you had better make sure you use Thorn Strike or maybe Thorn Ward first.
All in all, I'd say that Feytouched (transcendent and unparalelled) is a solid choice but only marginally better than Vorpal and that Perfect Vorpal still is the best cost-effective choice by far.
Hi everyone. I play Drider so it's hard to me to say about all skills and build of my Combat HR in English. Just wanna show you my gameplay in ToNG - as i see it. Only 3 minutes and only bosses. (Between them i use SW).
How accurate the guide is for consoles still on mod 12? Is it good to use Feytouched and Seeker's Vengeance on mod 12 or it would be better to use e.g. Lightning (on SW rather than PF and switch to PF with Fey only for bosses) and Aspect of the Serpent on PF? Don't know if there's a good way for managing AotS stacks on Combat and there's no alternative on PF with Seeker's Vengeance not working, right?
What exactly is bugged with Feytouched and Seeker's Vengeance on mod 12?
Don't have Vorpal at the moment, just Dread, Lightning and Feytouched, so would I be safe to use Feytouched as long as I don't use entity spells? Which encounters act as entities to avoid them? I'd mostly use PG, LSS/GW, Thorn Strike on PF and PG, Thorn Strike, Throw Caution on SW. Am I guessing right that entity spells would be mainly Thorn Ward (I'd be missing on DR debuff from it) and Split the Sky?
With Seeker's Vengeance broken until 12b Blade Storm on SW would be the best second passive, right?
Would Lightning be better than Feytouched on SW for trash?
1. Is Unparalleled Feytouched better than Unpralleled Vorpal? Did anyone actually made some test on it? Would be great to get some insight on this topic. 2. What is the armor enchantment recommendation? I see that Trans Bark is the new hot chick in town, but when I run as a GF I see that dps classes with bark are being lazy and rely way too much on it - i.e. they stand in red zones thinking they have bark stack when they don't. That's why they die often or make my GF die often cause I have KV turned on. Is bark really this good or sticking with lesser soulforge/perfect negation is just fine?
1. Is Unparalleled Feytouched better than Unpralleled Vorpal? Did anyone actually made some test on it? Would be great to get some insight on this topic.
Feytouched still wins by a Long Shot.
I haven't had the time to test (totally not being lazy preview is down right now), but on the assumption that the GF UP values and HR UP values are the same, here are some preliminary looks at the most important Combat HR UP abilities.
I didn't meddle with any of the inputtable values, so make sure to account for your Crit Severity and CA.
2. What is the armor enchantment recommendation? I see that Trans Bark is the new hot chick in town, but when I run as a GF I see that dps classes with bark are being lazy and rely way too much on it - i.e. they stand in red zones thinking they have bark stack when they don't. That's why they die often or make my GF die often cause I have KV turned on. Is bark really this good or sticking with lesser soulforge/perfect negation is just fine?
Barkshield, just don't get lazy yourself.
On HR, Lesser Soulforged is a clear winner over Negation.
This is because Negation requires you to be able to take hits (you can't cheese this with the Wraps) to build up DR stacks, which doesn't work on a fairly squishy class.
Lesser Soulforged does its job effectively (revive you after getting downed) for minimal cost.
Artifleur, Thanks for something new I have to try:). I play trapper and just have built combat pathfinder. I've read the topic carefully and tried to train on dummies. To be honest - it's weird. I am sure that I do sth wrong but could somebody help me with the rotation? I know it's totally different from used by trappers but i can't manage this combat rotation. I start with LS, swich, CA, 3x split strike, thorn strike, 3x split strike, plant growth, 3x split strike... I know its wrong, so could somebody give me right one? Thanks in Advance.
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I also reworked a few parts.
New pants from 12b skirmish are nice if your lifesteal needs a boost, and the soul seeker artifact is pretty good too.
Still wondering about dropping gambit for a 10% crit chance boost. That would also give me 10 points to stick in another feat tree. Decisions decisions.
Eh, I've got a spare load out since I'm not pvping on the HR this mod, I'll try the no-gambit version of my build and get back to you. After the bonding nerf I'm sitting with about 55k power and maybe 80% crit at best. Not very stable either way.
Usually a SW HR will out-dps me before we get to the boss, depending on who gets to the trash mobs first, but on the boss I'll overtake, by either a huge amount, or not so huge, depending on item level.
Up to tier 2 (EToS, EGWD, ECC etc..) bosses usually don't live long enough for PF to shine but after that single-target damage becomes a lot more important.
That being said some nevertheless use SW even in ToNG and get good results.
The brand new artifact Soul Sight Crystal apparently also is great for boosting you damage against bosses. I'm working on one at the moment and will update the guide once I can try it at mythic quality.
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Also, also, Corto, I have a question that I need expert HR analysis on:
Are HRs people?
I just wish the ZAX would finally gimme some zen so I could buy pres wards. T_T
I'll try and have a look on preview.
Piercing Blades deals 50% of the original damage, the total damage is 150%. The part of your damage done by piercing blades is 50 / 150 = 33%.
If you were to trade all your armor penetration for power, you'd get something like 12k power, probably less. That would increase you power damage buff by 3%. With 20k power, which is very little, you would go from 50% to 53% which translates into : (153-150) / 150 = 2% more damage.
So you'd be trading, on the one hand, over 50% of your damage for, on the other hand, an extra 2% damage, probably less.
So yes, investing in armor penetration is a good idea.
Now let's compare it with Vorpal.
My critical chance is 95.8% and my critical severity is 144%.
My combat advantage damage is :
(15% (base) + 10.3% (equipment) + 5% (charisma)) x 1.1 (underdark boon) = 33.33%
My Perfect Vorpal gives : (327.33 / 277.33 - 1) x 0.958 = 17% more damage
An Unparalelled Vorpal would give : (332.33 / 277.33 - 1) x 0.958 = 19% more damage
Transcendent Feytouched gives 18%, Unparalelled 20%.
Unparalelled Vorpal also adds 3% DR debuff but its actual effect depends on how much DR debuff the target already has.
Feytouched on the other hand also adds a small amount of % weapon damage and a sizeable damage debuff but keep in mind only the targets hit by the encounter which triggers feytouched will get the debuff (the Aoe for it is very small).
One last thing to take into account is that the encounter which triggers Feytouched doesn't benefit from it. In the case of Plant Growth and Gushing Wounds, none of their ticks will benefit since their damage is set once and for all at the time you use them (before you get the feytouched buff). So you had better make sure you use Thorn Strike or maybe Thorn Ward first.
All in all, I'd say that Feytouched (transcendent and unparalelled) is a solid choice but only marginally better than Vorpal and that Perfect Vorpal still is the best cost-effective choice by far.
What exactly is bugged with Feytouched and Seeker's Vengeance on mod 12?
Better use aspect of the lone wolf and vorpal till then I think.
With Seeker's Vengeance broken until 12b Blade Storm on SW would be the best second passive, right?
Would Lightning be better than Feytouched on SW for trash?
Me again - two questions:
1. Is Unparalleled Feytouched better than Unpralleled Vorpal? Did anyone actually made some test on it? Would be great to get some insight on this topic.
2. What is the armor enchantment recommendation? I see that Trans Bark is the new hot chick in town, but when I run as a GF I see that dps classes with bark are being lazy and rely way too much on it - i.e. they stand in red zones thinking they have bark stack when they don't. That's why they die often or make my GF die often cause I have KV turned on. Is bark really this good or sticking with lesser soulforge/perfect negation is just fine?
I haven't had the time to test (
totally not being lazypreview is down right now), but on the assumption that the GF UP values and HR UP values are the same, here are some preliminary looks at the most important Combat HR UP abilities.I didn't meddle with any of the inputtable values, so make sure to account for your Crit Severity and CA.
Plant Growth (UP)
Gushing Wound (UP)
Split Strike (UP)
Thorn Strike (UP)
*Edited because I forgot Terror gets a debuff upgrade at UP Barkshield, just don't get lazy yourself.
On HR, Lesser Soulforged is a clear winner over Negation.
This is because Negation requires you to be able to take hits (you can't cheese this with the Wraps) to build up DR stacks, which doesn't work on a fairly squishy class.
Lesser Soulforged does its job effectively (revive you after getting downed) for minimal cost.
Guess I'll fight with my pink Sailor Moon-ish bow for now. By the way, best thing in Fey is imho that it's both good on HR and GF
PS. I really hoped that when I will upgrade Fey to UP something cool will happen, like unicorns and stuff.
I play trapper and just have built combat pathfinder. I've read the topic carefully and tried to train on dummies. To be honest - it's weird. I am sure that I do sth wrong but could somebody help me with the rotation?
I know it's totally different from used by trappers but i can't manage this combat rotation.
I start with LS, swich, CA, 3x split strike, thorn strike, 3x split strike, plant growth, 3x split strike... I know its wrong, so could somebody give me right one? Thanks in Advance.