Yesterday our guild built MM (on PC), and we got: Duelist Riposte Cap Happy's Walking boots Royal lion Swallowtail Scenes of sword coast Portrait of a Necromancer
Small tidbit of information is, this may be a coincidence, but it's the exact same selection (at least for gear) we had when we built it for the very 1st time weeks ago.
PS: some more info: no guild in the alliance had a MM summoned
Rebuilt our MM in TUC (and left them unbuilt for over 12 hours... Mainly because I forgot...) and low and behold, what do I have?
Duelist Riposte Cap Happy's Walking boots Royal lion Swallowtail Scenes of sword coast Portrait of a Necromancer
15 mins later I rebuild the Merchant in THC and... Identical stock to TUC.
So... something is still not working. It seems to be locking the inventory for EVERY guild to same selection each week.
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@nitocris83 Is there an ETA for the fix on consoles?
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i suggest that each item have a count down timer. say 2 or 3 weeks. When the SH gets the MM the items that are brought reset their counters. If the SH gets a MM right after it won't get the same ones because they are in a count down status. ( Just like the builder missions, can't do the same ones over and over again in the same day. ) But if the MM isn't summoned for awhile, then it can be possible to get the same items from the MM. This shouldn't be hard to program and implement and should alleviate the problem.
The patchnotes for today's maintenance include the MM fix
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One of our guilds built the MM after the update and we got different gear - thanks for the fix guys
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Okay the Crusader guilds once again have received identical stores. Third week in a row since the fix.
@nitocris83 - Julia, are you able to have someone recheck this? We've tried building the structures at different times between the 2 guilds and nothing seems to work. Each week the 2 stores are identical and we are now just throwing away resources for no reason.
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Julia, are you able to have someone recheck this? We've tried building the structures at different times between the 2 guilds and nothing seems to work. Each week the 2 stores are identical and we are now just throwing away resources for no reason.
My next question would be if the fix worked for consoles but something is still wonky on PC. I'm not sure how many guilds in TuxT are prepared to build an MM for 2xGuildMarks, but hoping for more than one to be able to check.
We have built the MM twice, once about a month ago and one on Tuesday this week. First time Dueling Cap and Happy Boots This time Guise of the Wolf Clan and Cannibal Headpiece.
So we are not seeing the repeatability issue with the MM, but ours is a small sample set.
What about adding Vouchers to the list of random items that could be generated? Make the cost in Guild Marks more than what the Vouchers would return (250-500%). Or make them cost other types of "stolen" vouchers and Guild Marks; something that would be a net loss for the player, but a gain for the guild.
Adding more to the list of possibilities would (at the very least) more easily show whether there really is a RNG problem.
Checked this on our Alliance yesterday (PS4) with2 Mysterious Merchants and they definetly have different shop items. One has 2 x boots, other has armor and hand piece. ( too bad that armor costs 30kMarks ...)
> @confusedpoof said: > Okay the Crusader guilds once again have received identical stores. Third week in a row since the fix. > > @nitocris83 - Julia, are you able to have someone recheck this? We've tried building the structures at different times between the 2 guilds and nothing seems to work. Each week the 2 stores are identical and we are now just throwing away resources for no reason.
GxG and Myrmidons also have them and their items are different both from that of thd Crusaders and each other. Seems like it is indeed tied to who builds the merchant. Maybe if you build again, have someone else in TUC start that one?
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GxG and Myrmidons also have them and their items are different both from that of thd Crusaders and each other. Seems like it is indeed tied to who builds the merchant. Maybe if you build again, have someone else in TUC start that one?
I asked him about that as a possible factor (in another thread?) and he said they'd already tried having different people build.
4th Week - 4th time that The Holy Crusaders and The Unholy Crusaders have identical stores. This time we tried summoning on different days - over 24 hours apart. Had different officers summon them as well.
@nitocris83 - I understand that the bug overall is "fixed" as other guilds are getting different selections, but there has to be something wrong with out guilds. We can't have the same selection each week between the 2 guilds.
5th Week (well, On Thursday when we rebuilt) - 5th time that The Holy and Unholy Crusaders have identical stores.
I'm going to keep posting here every week the 2 guilds have identical stores in a row. @nitocris83 / @terramak can some one PLEASE take a look at my guilds and see what is wrong with their merchants. They can't have the same store as each other for 5 weeks straight (since it was apparently fixed to not do that).
Hell, I am at the point of thinking it's just our guilds that are bugged. 6th week in a row that the stores between The Holy Crusaders and The Unholy Crusaders are the same. I guess someone there has decided we don't get multiple selections.
Hell, I am at the point of thinking it's just our guilds that are bugged. 6th week in a row that the stores between The Holy Crusaders and The Unholy Crusaders are the same. I guess someone there has decided we don't get multiple selections.
Tinfoil hat time!
My current theory is that they are using the unique guild name as a seed for their pseudo-random number generator, but they miscoded the parser to only look at the first token in the guild name string, so all guilds that begin with the word "The" will be getting the same gear every week!
Hell, I am at the point of thinking it's just our guilds that are bugged. 6th week in a row that the stores between The Holy Crusaders and The Unholy Crusaders are the same. I guess someone there has decided we don't get multiple selections.
Tinfoil hat time!
My current theory is that they are using the unique guild name as a seed for their pseudo-random number generator, but they miscoded the parser to only look at the first token in the guild name string, so all guilds that begin with the word "The" will be getting the same gear every week!
That could be on the money. @nitocris83 - when you get a chance to speak to the dev team, can you ask them if this is the case?
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Duelist Riposte Cap
Happy's Walking boots
Royal lion Swallowtail
Scenes of sword coast
Portrait of a Necromancer
15 mins later I rebuild the Merchant in THC and... Identical stock to TUC.
So... something is still not working. It seems to be locking the inventory for EVERY guild to same selection each week.
Xael De Armadeon: DC
Xane De Armadeon: CW
Zen De Armadeon: OP
Zohar De Armadeon: TR
Chrion De Armadeon: SW
Gosti Big Belly: GWF
Barney McRustbucket: GF
Lt. Thackeray: HR
Lucius De Armadeon: BD
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Hi there,
Has this issue on console been addressed yet?
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Yes we have a difference from last week, but both the stores are identical. This is getting ridiculous.
I should expect (even with the limited items available) that the stores are different, even for 1 item, between the two each week.
@nitocris83 - Julia, are you able to have someone recheck this? We've tried building the structures at different times between the 2 guilds and nothing seems to work. Each week the 2 stores are identical and we are now just throwing away resources for no reason.
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First time Dueling Cap and Happy Boots
This time Guise of the Wolf Clan and Cannibal Headpiece.
So we are not seeing the repeatability issue with the MM, but ours is a small sample set.
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Adding more to the list of possibilities would (at the very least) more easily show whether there really is a RNG problem.
> Okay the Crusader guilds once again have received identical stores. Third week in a row since the fix.
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> @nitocris83 - Julia, are you able to have someone recheck this? We've tried building the structures at different times between the 2 guilds and nothing seems to work. Each week the 2 stores are identical and we are now just throwing away resources for no reason.
GxG and Myrmidons also have them and their items are different both from that of thd Crusaders and each other. Seems like it is indeed tied to who builds the merchant. Maybe if you build again, have someone else in TUC start that one?
This is now the biggest of mysteries.
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@nitocris83 - I understand that the bug overall is "fixed" as other guilds are getting different selections, but there has to be something wrong with out guilds. We can't have the same selection each week between the 2 guilds.
I'm going to keep posting here every week the 2 guilds have identical stores in a row. @nitocris83 / @terramak can some one PLEASE take a look at my guilds and see what is wrong with their merchants. They can't have the same store as each other for 5 weeks straight (since it was apparently fixed to not do that).
My current theory is that they are using the unique guild name as a seed for their pseudo-random number generator, but they miscoded the parser to only look at the first token in the guild name string, so all guilds that begin with the word "The" will be getting the same gear every week!
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