I agree with you but you saw the exchange right. A ton of zen moved in 4 days, the game is very much alive. A few people not spending money wont even register on Cryptic's radar. I would really love if me keeping my money would make a difference but it wont. Now if 50% of the paying players were to stop buying zen for a month or two. That I bet would make Cryptic think hard.
Oh, I know. *sigh* But I'll keep saying it anyway. Maybe the idea will catch on!
Rewarding Cryptic's wanton mismanagement by paying them money, even with a sale, is simply contributing to the problem rather than being part of the solution.
If they were good stewards of the game and operated on customer-centric basis... then extending the sale for one extra day because the game was down unexpectedly would be an obvious no-brainer. They don't operate that way, so frankly dear OP, you're wasting your time arguing the matter. Don't waste your money too. If they make the game worth spending money on - pay up. Until then? Don't.
I agree with you but you saw the exchange right. A ton of zen moved in 4 days, the game is very much alive. A few people not spending money wont even register on Cryptic's radar. I would really love if me keeping my money would make a difference but it wont. Now if 50% of the paying players were to stop buying zen for a month or two. That I bet would make Cryptic think hard.
The exchange can be explained in 2 ways.
1. Zen move in. 2. People gave up and cancel the transaction and withdraw their own AD to buy stuff from AD store and AH instead.
We don't know the ratio between 1 and 2.
*** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
Rewarding Cryptic's wanton mismanagement by paying them money, even with a sale, is simply contributing to the problem rather than being part of the solution.
If they were good stewards of the game and operated on customer-centric basis... then extending the sale for one extra day because the game was down unexpectedly would be an obvious no-brainer. They don't operate that way, so frankly dear OP, you're wasting your time arguing the matter. Don't waste your money too. If they make the game worth spending money on - pay up. Until then? Don't.
I agree with you but you saw the exchange right. A ton of zen moved in 4 days, the game is very much alive. A few people not spending money wont even register on Cryptic's radar. I would really love if me keeping my money would make a difference but it wont. Now if 50% of the paying players were to stop buying zen for a month or two. That I bet would make Cryptic think hard.
The exchange can be explained in 2 ways.
1. Zen move in. 2. People gave up and cancel the transaction and withdraw their own AD to buy stuff from AD store and AH instead.
We don't know the ratio between 1 and 2.
You're right. Id love to know how much of the sold Zen came from cash and how much came from previous exchanging.
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
"We were able to look at the code and it seems that the sale triggered ON an hour early which means that it also triggered OFF an hour early. We believe the culprit may be daylight savings time but since we aren't positive, we don't want to turn the sale back on in case it shuts down again unexpectedly (I would rather avoid riots during my first couple weeks here!)"
Yep, it's way better to do nothing and just wait for it to blow over, just like they always do...
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,242Arc User
edited November 2016
Back to "community rage", I personally don't have any rage because I expected this kind of things happens. After happened more than 10 times, I get used to it and am expecting it.
There are a few things I don't do for this kind of event:
1. don't do that in the very beginning unless you want to "take advantage" of a "positive" bug (that you hope it may happen). Oh! By the way, they can ban you for doing that too. 2. don't do that in the ending hours.
Both time frame are risky.
*** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
I'm amazed anyone is still pumping money into this game...
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
"Raging" is immature and unproductive. As with the other thread "demand"-ing a sale/event extension. "Request", I could maybe get behind, but I want to see what course they're going with planned fixes and improvements right now.
Rewarding Cryptic's wanton mismanagement by paying them money, even with a sale, is simply contributing to the problem rather than being part of the solution.
If they were good stewards of the game and operated on customer-centric basis... then extending the sale for one extra day because the game was down unexpectedly would be an obvious no-brainer. They don't operate that way, so frankly dear OP, you're wasting your time arguing the matter. Don't waste your money too. If they make the game worth spending money on - pay up. Until then? Don't.
I agree with you but you saw the exchange right. A ton of zen moved in 4 days, the game is very much alive. A few people not spending money wont even register on Cryptic's radar. I would really love if me keeping my money would make a difference but it wont. Now if 50% of the paying players were to stop buying zen for a month or two. That I bet would make Cryptic think hard.
But instead of taking advantage of this in keeping those players happy and invested into the game, they mess it up with the ZEN charge rewards. Now players, that have supported the game with their money, have to wait for their rewards... again.
Well..... keep in mind that the "free" Zen is bought and paid for by *someone* - it's not just magically there to be converted from AD. So, if people do what I and others are staying and voting against Cryptic's management practices with their wallets, one major effect will be that the ZAX market will very nearly dry up and be in permanent backlog.... it's a downside for sure.
And working, commuting, errands, cooking, eating, sleeping, personal hygiene, cleaning your home, taking care of family and pets, and doing any other leisure activity whatsoever all take up 0 hours of every single day, so everyone should just grind Neverwinter so they can buy all the pixel candy.
Every moment of time you spend on NW is time you spent not doing something else, so... it better be worth it.
You leave your house at 8pm to go to a store on Black Friday that closes at 9, hoping to get a good deal. But, at the same time, there's a 5-car pileup on the freeway, and you're no longer able to make it there before they close. Would you actually go to the store the next day and demand that they honor yesterday's prices, just because you were not able to make it there before they closed?
More and more, I'm convinced there are players in this game who either don't understand how the real world works, or just plain haven't been a part of it yet.
Not the same situation, shop has sale, expects 2000 people in for the whole duration of the sale. In fact 2000 people are in 2 and a half hours before the end, a car crash blocks the entry off the freeway and prevents any new people from getting in. Many shops would extend the sale to avoid upsetting their customers who should have been there in time. This sort of thing has been seen when people can't vote many times.
I'd done my Zen buying/selling and all I missed out on was opening the leadership boxes I'd accrued during the event (1K+), and using a load of stacks of enchants to refine at double. But for the guildie whose Zen came through from the exchange after the server no longer accepted new logins and kicked her out when she switched characters thinking she had 2 hours to buy VIP it was a much bigger issue.
Weekend was awesome! Did a little each day and planned to spend a few hours Sunday to finish up! Never wait till the last second! They didn't have to hold the event, and with whiny little threads like this who would blame them for not holding another... Interesting to see the overall population on the side of Cryptic for once lol
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Weekend was awesome! Did a little each day and planned to spend a few hours Sunday to finish up! Never wait till the last second! They didn't have to hold the event, and with whiny little threads like this who would blame them for not holding another... Interesting to see the overall population on the side of Cryptic for once lol
they hold them because they do in fact profit from them, dont think for a instant that its one side benefit to the players.
regardless, missing a hour or two from a event, isnt the worst thing in the world a "oh well" approach would be better here.
there are many things wrong with never-winter and the designers and this company, this isnt one to get snarky about.
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urlord283Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,084Arc User
No rage here... it was a GREAT weekend... I look forward to it again
I have no rage, however a couple of minor rants have been posted about this event in different threads...
One more thing, more of a disappointing observation than anything else is that there was no "Cyber Monday" event this year like there was last year, I guess just extending the "Black Friday" event three more days to include cyber Monday - and drop the discount from the 50% of the previous year to 40%, is about as much effort as the game people wanted to put into anything for their customers this year.
Seems to me Neverwinter wants people to spend more and more money, while thinking up new and inventive ways to offer their cash customers less and less or negate some or all of the the benefits for previous purchases- and people are still buying!
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But I'll keep saying it anyway. Maybe the idea will catch on!
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1. Zen move in.
2. People gave up and cancel the transaction and withdraw their own AD to buy stuff from AD store and AH instead.
We don't know the ratio between 1 and 2.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
There are a few things I don't do for this kind of event:
1. don't do that in the very beginning unless you want to "take advantage" of a "positive" bug (that you hope it may happen). Oh! By the way, they can ban you for doing that too.
2. don't do that in the ending hours.
Both time frame are risky.
Count me out of throwing a hissy fit.
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Now players, that have supported the game with their money, have to wait for their rewards... again.
Sekhmet@kvetchus_
Guilds: Greycloaks, Blackcloaks, Whitecloaks, Goldcloaks, Browncloaks, Spiritcloaks, Bluecloaks, Silvercloaks, Black Dawn
Tredecim: The Cloak Alliance
Every moment of time you spend on NW is time you spent not doing something else, so... it better be worth it.
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All posts pending disapproval by Cecilia
I'd done my Zen buying/selling and all I missed out on was opening the leadership boxes I'd accrued during the event (1K+), and using a load of stacks of enchants to refine at double. But for the guildie whose Zen came through from the exchange after the server no longer accepted new logins and kicked her out when she switched characters thinking she had 2 hours to buy VIP it was a much bigger issue.
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Weekend was awesome! Did a little each day and planned to spend a few hours Sunday to finish up! Never wait till the last second! They didn't have to hold the event, and with whiny little threads like this who would blame them for not holding another... Interesting to see the overall population on the side of Cryptic for once lol
regardless, missing a hour or two from a event, isnt the worst thing in the world a "oh well" approach would be better here.
there are many things wrong with never-winter and the designers and this company, this isnt one to get snarky about.
One more thing, more of a disappointing observation than anything else is that there was no "Cyber Monday" event this year like there was last year, I guess just extending the "Black Friday" event three more days to include cyber Monday - and drop the discount from the 50% of the previous year to 40%, is about as much effort as the game people wanted to put into anything for their customers this year.
Seems to me Neverwinter wants people to spend more and more money, while thinking up new and inventive ways to offer their cash customers less and less or negate some or all of the the benefits for previous purchases- and people are still buying!