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  • momo#1628 momo Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    Hi everyone.

    Thanks for the guide. It is extremely valuable. Although I have already gone far from this guide I still use it as a base reference.

    Have a question though about companions for tactician.

    What about Tamed Velociraptor? Doesn't it help the whole group?
    Or everyone should have one of those so the bonus apply?
    The description is vague there

    Personally I use:
    Shield
    Energon
    Rust monster
    Sylph
    +Chicken, Tamed Velociraptor or any other which I think is better for me at the moment.
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User
    momo#1628 said:


    What about Tamed Velociraptor? Doesn't it help the whole group?

    Or everyone should have one of those so the bonus apply?

    The Tamed Velociraptor is ... weird to explain.

    The Tamed Velociraptor damage buff will only to a person using a Raptor, and the % damage buff will only calculate for people in your party running a Velociraptor.

    So, for example, say I got a party of GWF/GF/TR/DC/CW.
    If the GF, DC, TR, and CW use a Velociraptor, but the GWF does not, then the GF/DC/TR/CW receive 4% from the Velociraptor and the GWF receives 0% from the Velociraptor.

    In a perfect world, you'd want everyone in the party to run one, since a 5x Raptor party is amongst the strongest of +damage% companions. The Raptor only loses to the Earth/Air Archons (and lolfirearchon), matches the War Boar/Batiri, and beats everything else available in Module 13.

  • momo#1628 momo Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    > @rjc9000 said:
    > What about Tamed Velociraptor? Doesn't it help the whole group?
    >
    > Or everyone should have one of those so the bonus apply?
    >
    > The Tamed Velociraptor is ... weird to explain.
    >
    > The Tamed Velociraptor damage buff will only to a person using a Raptor, and the % damage buff will only calculate for people in your party running a Velociraptor.
    >
    > So, for example, say I got a party of GWF/GF/TR/DC/CW.
    > If the GF, DC, TR, and CW use a Velociraptor, but the GWF does not, then the GF/DC/TR/CW receive 4% from the Velociraptor and the GWF receives 0% from the Velociraptor.
    >
    > In a perfect world, you'd want everyone in the party to run one, since a 5x Raptor party is amongst the strongest of +damage% companions. The Raptor only loses to the Earth/Air Archons (and lolfirearchon), matches the War Boar/Batiri, and beats everything else available in Module 13.

    Thanks. Pretty much what I expected.

    So my recent discovery shows that the last 5th slot for Tactician is still vacant.
    In terms that there is no other useful companion for: buffing group / debuffing mobs for the whole group

    I will write down my thoughts on Tactician in a while if you do not mind.
  • dupeksdupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User
    Does anyone know if Ioun Stone of Allure active companion bonus would proc crushing pin?

    @momo have you tried blacksmith? I think that there is an ICD and cap of some sort on the proc, but it helps keep mob aggro on you in the spirit of tankiness.
  • stark760stark760 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 654 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    Will new set for Apocalypse dagger be BiS with the defense tear for GF's?
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User
    stark760 said:

    Will new set for Apocalypse dagger be BiS with the defense tear for GF's?

    Not while it's bugged. Because Sacramentum (of League of Legends dead CW guide fame) and Viral found that the set places a debuff on the set bearer rather than the enemies. Once Cryptic decides to get their "QA team" fixing it, then I can see it being best in slot.

    The Vistani set is somewhat similar, placing a 5% debuff on enemy if you hit one target with WMS, ET, Lunging Strike, Line Breaker Assault, Villain's Menace, Terrifying Impact, or Supremacy of Steel.

    Which set you prefer will change depending on which set is easier to acquire for you (farm the April Fools Event vs. gotta catch them all) and how easy the set is to apply for your style (only hit one target with one of those powers vs. applying a Crit may be easier/harder depending on the fight and your gear).

    For me personally, I will not be using either set because I can't stand doing the Portobello's Game event, and also because I barely play Tactician enough to justify dumping resources into a new artifact set.

  • superkwstarassuperkwstaras Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    Do you know which of the new equipment procs Crushing Pin? Not quite sure by the tooltips
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User

    Do you know which of the new equipment procs Crushing Pin? Not quite sure by the tooltips

    The only new item I have tested is the Swarm mount, which hilariously procs Crushing Pin.

  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    Hello
    I have few "problems" and I need ask about something.
    When im started to play NW, few months ago i play with my GF like protector/tank/buff and im love it. I love e.g. KV but now it's useless, on dung like ETOS/VT/CN etc. ppl dont need this protective skill. On FBI it's hard to use, I dont play in TONG, but i heard and read is also hard to use. What do you see KV? is still good and helpful skill or now, when a lot of ppl have huge IL they dont need KV ( i think they dont need it).
    Second problem is playing as a tank. A lot of ppl say the best tank now is OP (on dung mod 13/14). So i can play still like a tank or it is rather unplayable and harder? I have a chance to compete with OP?
    And last one, when I was developing my GF i invevested on DEF, DEFL, LS, REC but now a lot of ppl want only buff/dps. Why I invested so much in my char if now I must to play only as buff/dps? I like giving buffs pt. but as a complement to the whole not only like a buff. What do you think, the situation is not so bad? And GF was still a good tank/protector/buff or not?
    I dont see to much gf now in game, 90% of them play like dps/buff.

  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    GF can tank all the content, same as OP. (have not done CR yet though) Parties wanting Paladins as tanks comes from the fact that OP buffs are stronger than GF ones. Just from being in the group, OP provides Aura Of Courage passive damage, Aura of Wisdom recharge speed buff and Aura Gifts power share. GF has nothing to compare to this.

    GF with proper gear and build can do mad damage single target, however. GF buffer isn't optimal alongside an OP tank but some groups still want this.

    Ultimately there are a number of stranded builds on many classes in this game that don't fit into the meta. You can adapt and play DPS or Buff OR you can play with friends that won't expect to have only Meta groups.

    I have both an OPP and a GF tank. I would prefer to be playing my GF the way I play my OP, but atm I just let the GF idle. Swimming upstream is hard and in the end likely to lead to burn out. I wish there were encouraging words here but the game balance is way off.
    "We have always been at war with Dread Vault" ~ Little Brother
  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    Hi
    I need ask about something, Frost still work the same? On the opponent, debuff -11% DR work 10 sec, next 10 sec "cooldown" and again you can inflict -11% DR on the same opponent? or this debuff -11% DR now work all time?
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User


    On the opponent, debuff -11% DR work 10 sec, next 10 sec "cooldown" and again you can inflict -11% DR on the same opponent?

    This one.

  • gromovnipljesak#8234 gromovnipljesak Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    I swear to god, I will literally start kicking GFs that don't use mark on bosses in endgame dungeons. ANRI FOR PRESIDENT, so he can wall all of those scrubs off.

    Anyways, good build, however, do you think tact is more or less useful than conqueror now that dps has been nerfed? And if less, what do you think will take to make tacts on-par with conquerors/OPs in dungeons?
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User

    I swear to god, I will literally start kicking GFs that don't use mark on bosses in endgame dungeons.

    Make a War Boar pet named "Press Tab Potato GF" (or, if you're on console, rename "tab" to whatever the mark button is).

    Every time you see the GF fail to use Tab mark (or mark), spam the pet in chat.

    ANRI FOR PRESIDENT, so he can wall all of those scrubs off.

    That will not end well, I'm telling you this right now.


    Anyways, good build, however, do you think tact is more or less useful than conqueror now that dps has been nerfed?

    How exactly has Conqueror DPS been nerfed?

    In terms of the GF's role in the team, almost anything a Tactician can do, a Conqueror can do faster and easier.

    The exceptions go to helping some classes (*coughcoughTRcoughcough*) cheese AP Gain blocks and for when your supports are not great.

    And if less, what do you think will take to make tacts on-par with conquerors/OPs in dungeons?

    Make Tactician buffs scale with their gear to give a Tactician the incentive to gear up besides Ilvl inflation and survivability as a tank.

    OP has Aura Gifts and the Protection passive which both become more potent with better gear, while Tactician ... can keep up ITF all the time and multistack Inspiring Leader.

    Not exactly an efficient use of 40 million AD.

    This is all the while Protection OP has easymodo tanking and a class feature that constitutes 15-30% of the total DPS of non second class citizen DPS classes. You would need a lot for Tactician GF to be somewhat comparable.

    I would prefer to see a version prepatch version of ITF return, exclusive to the Tactician. As to which stat it would scale off of, I don't know, I'd leave the details to the dev team.

  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    It should scale off of Control Bonus.
    "We have always been at war with Dread Vault" ~ Little Brother
  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    Hi
    What's wrong with CS (Commander's Strike). I dont see this skill now in Your guide. It's bugged or weak or useles?
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User

    Hi
    What's wrong with CS (Commander's Strike). I dont see this skill now in Your guide. It's bugged or weak or useles?

    I gave up on it after I realized that it only takes 40% of the DPSer's encounter damage and applies it as a second hit, rather than it being a 1.4x buff to the DPSer's next encounter power. The way I see it, any extra chip damage provided by the CS procs would be outweighed by a DPS GF using 3x fully buffed Griffon's.

    Also, seeing as the build is oriented towards newbies, I thought removing KS would keep the playbook simple: focus on learning to tank and time ITF with the buffers.

  • wizardlvl80#5963 wizardlvl80 Member Posts: 519 Arc User
    Hello @rjc9000 !

    I have an item question - with the new item from hunts procing crushing pin pretty often, do you think it's wise to go for enhanced mark offhand for more debuff? Also - does damage taken with Knight's Valor can proc crushing pin via Guarded Assault?

    Thanks for the answers and for the awesome work with updating your guide every single mod! Very much appreciated! I always find something new to learn there!
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User


    I have an item question - with the new item from hunts procing crushing pin pretty often, do you think it's wise to go for enhanced mark offhand for more debuff?

    Yes, if you find you can easily keep up Pin with just Lycosa's/Curse Bringer.

    I do actually run Enhanced Mark offhand on my IV variant of the build, relying on Indomitable Strength with Frontline Surge+Iron Focus to consistently applying Pin. A little better for team survival and buffing, but feels a little slower than the SM build because no Steel Grace, and a little squishier because I take Iron Focus and lose out on the Jagged Blades+FR cheesing.


    Also - does damage taken with Knight's Valor can proc crushing pin via Guarded Assault?

    Yes.

  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    What do you think about Blood Raven Set, he has good stat, but a bonus set im think is weak. Unfortunately apocalopse set for me it has poor stat, i dont play like DPS (bonus is bugged i know). Vistani set seems to be not bad but, raiments is weak pendant is average, tarokka deck is too average. Now i still use Valhalla set, except artifact, belt and neck have good stat and bonus, but good for tank not for buff. But other sets seem to be weak.
  • wizardlvl80#5963 wizardlvl80 Member Posts: 519 Arc User
    Heya.

    Maybe you guys know this already, but Celestial Stag mount power procs crushing pin in area of power for whole 8seconds. Seems a cool (and cheap!) alternative for other debuffs from mounts. Stats are quite poor though.
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User

    What do you think about Blood Raven Set, he has good stat, but a bonus set im think is weak.

    Yes.

    Vistani set seems to be not bad but, raiments is weak pendant is average, tarokka deck is too average.

    If you've gotten to the point where you can survive just fine with just your gear/passives and already got enough ITF uptime...
    then yeah, go use the Vistani set for the 5% debuff.

    Heya.

    Maybe you guys know this already, but Celestial Stag mount power procs crushing pin in area of power for whole 8seconds. Seems a cool (and cheap!) alternative for other debuffs from mounts. Stats are quite poor though.

    Last I tried on preview, it included T-Rex and Lion as well.

    I would guess it's any mount with a CC effect that will proc Crushing Pin (ex: stun or prone).

  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    Hi, thx for answer.
    But this bonus from vistani set it is probably difficult to assume? It's probably work only if we have one enemy and when we use enforced threat. In other situations, this bonus will not work, right?
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User

    Hi, thx for answer.
    But this bonus from vistani set it is probably difficult to assume? It's probably work only if we have one enemy and when we use enforced threat. In other situations, this bonus will not work, right?

    It should be pretty easy to keep up on most bosses, though you might struggle on some bosses (see: Avatar of Orcus).

    Obviously, it's not going to work on mob fights... but mobs die so quick I don't think it will matter that much.

  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    Ok thx again, which other skills work well with this set? weapon master strike work with this set?
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User
    WMS works, as does ET and other skills.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQ7OZzFqz1T1BvyQhMAbzrgfuOniQd59YaGFck8twebu1F7fQhSxiktJHFx8ujTMEBjAnKpI2axSJmP/pub

    Thank Viral in advance.

    Only GF skills not tested were Aggravating Strike and Shield Slam, but GF has many proccing sources... so I do not think it makes a difference.

  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    Great thx again.
    I Need ask about something, how it's look like on cr and tong? You play like tank or buff or hybrid? I play only tong/fbi, and play like hybrid buff/tank. All time have KV but pt. want mainly my off buff. So which set is better valhalla for tank or vistani for buff? Now i have +230k hp and 100% DR with bond (without set bonus) and I can't decide, abandon vallhala (and lose some HP/DEF and 19% DR = 4% from AC and 15% set bonus) for 5% from Vistani? What do you think?
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  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    Hi again, vistani set bonus was stack? If my gf and someone else will use this set how it will be work?
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,405 Arc User

    Great thx again.
    I Need ask about something, how it's look like on cr and tong? You play like tank or buff or hybrid?

    Tomb and CR, I run DPS.

    So which set is better valhalla for tank or vistani for buff? Now i have +230k hp and 100% DR with bond (without set bonus) and I can't decide, abandon vallhala (and lose some HP/DEF and 19% DR = 4% from AC and 15% set bonus) for 5% from Vistani? What do you think?

    If you can afford Vistani and are confident your team can survive with just KV + other class stuff, then go for Vistani.
    You clearly have a ton of stats, and for anything missin, Shepherd's Devotion should help fill in the gaps.

    Hi again, vistani set bonus was stack? If my gf and someone else will use this set how it will be work?

    No clue, I never checked that with @viraaal .

  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    Hi
    So far, I've always thought that valhalla bonus set work only for me not for all party xD
    About stat and DR, i will change ench on pet, now i use 6x dark for LS but now i will use 2xruth and 4x dark. But
    I have the feeling that valhalla is better than vistani for me and party. This 5% debuff it's not to much, im think.
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