Double shards of power, ergo double AD leeching PVE folks in PVP

matthiasthehun76

Hi fellow Players, Devs, Mods!

Please dear Devs do us still in this utterly broken PVP hanging players a favor and cancel all future double power shard events. PVP was never so boring and terrible as today, all my team mates, except 1 guy lol were all AD and shard leeching PVE folks.

Best thing was when such a leech asked me to join them in further matches lol, yeah i would rather help rebuild the iron curtain, than help such people.

I mean ok, my guild needs those shards too, but maybe i have come from the moon, but self restrain is a key value in all aspects of life, be it even virtual, sadly many don't care and come into PVP under 2K and half naked. These people are trolls, sorry can't call them otherwise, they must surely know, they will make the team fail.

This has to stop, i am amazed how long this broken stupidity can go on.

Dear Devs do us a favor and let the shards for barracks (power that is, be collected somewhere else, cause the PVE only players ruin it) and no i don't swallow from PVE folks the usual argument, that they need to gear up in the PVP arena, cause everyone can go into a guild and buy some basic tenacity gear, cost virtually nothing, just a few marks.

Please make PVP only available to minimum tenacity, one problem easily solved.

Rant over.

Thank you!

arcanjo86

in case players dont know sh quest for pvp win can be obtained in iwd/dv domination zone, just saying

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chemjeff

matthiasthehun76 said:

and no i don't swallow from PVE folks the usual argument, that they need to gear up in the PVP arena, cause everyone can go into a guild and buy some basic tenacity gear, cost virtually nothing, just a few marks.

From the PvE player's point of view:

It makes no difference if I use PvE gear or Guild Mark PvP gear. I get stomped either way. So why bother spending marks on the gear, or going through the trouble of carrying around 2 different gear sets?

thefabricant

You know, you don't see pve players opening threads like this about pvp players coming into pve and performing badly at it, despite the fact that there are very few pvp players who have the faintest clue what they doing in pve. I don't go calling them leeches though.

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micky1p00

matthiasthehun76 said:

...cancel all future double power shard events....but maybe i have come from the moon, but self restrain is a key value in all aspects of life...

Am I the only one that see the irony in this? With the event being only 3 days and it's only started now. The 'restraint' here is 'marvelous'.

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matthiasthehun76

Jeez guys stop the train, you might break something. You are interpreting too much into my words, Jesus it's not an Umberto Eco novel.

So, i will try to clarify a bit, since you guys don't see the tree from the wood.

Ok, a RL example here. I was heavily involved in pro basketball and excuse me, if i will use that to explain my thoughts a bit clearer and since we are mostly men here, you guys might get to see my point of view through this tiny example a bit better.

Ok, so let's say we go back to the era of MJ&Phil Jackson. Now there is the usual draft and one guy get's drafted to the team. His future team mates except him with open arms, hey welcome buddy. Then as they prepare for the match, it turns out, oh mighty the guy is fake, he never had a basketball in his hand, just got into the draft by connections (like matchmaking here) and ruins the match for MJ.

Now guess what would happen if such thing happened back in the glory days? Do you guys really think his team mates would have gave him a clap on his shoulders or kicked him in the most precious and asked him to never return again, at least not until he has learned to play basketball. Now to top it, the guy, who ruined (in our case 3 out of 5 players) the match or the season would ask his former team mate, hey Scottie could you drive me home? LOL

I hope this was a bit more for your tastes and makes the situation more understandable.

Furthermore this leeching is not just during these 3 days, all too many do it on an every day basis.

Secondly, i am not offended, cause i am not a pure PVP player, i play both aspects of the game, since day 1 i am here.

Thirdly, i won't neither judge PVE nor PVP players' skills, cause in my 3 years i have seen even the biggest PVE names in this game land flat out on there nose at the entrance of eLOL and saw both highly praised PVPers do silly mistakes in a PVP match, after all we are all human.

My problem is not human error, that's natural, but going back to my basketball example, if i have never played basketball in my life, i will not volunteer for a street ball game and make my team mates life insanely hard.

Now in basketball you could send the guy to the bench, but in PVP there is no bench, we are 5 and if 3 out of 5 come in to a match without proper armor and artifacts and not even a minimum of enchants (and i am not elitist, nobody, who knows me would say that) and this day after day just to get the shards or the easy AD, it's no wonder if sometimes a player on the losing end loses his tempera bit, like i did in my opening post.

Last, but not least i don't blame the AD leeching PVE folks for the entire near death state of PVP at all, but i would also lie, if i would say, they are innocent.

Now back to usual business and please all relax.

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matthiasthehun76

No, i say if people can't act the mature way and stay out of the kitchen, if they can't cook (ergo get tenacity gear before entering the arena), likewise i would personally like to see the double power shard event moved away from PVP battlefields and/or a minimum tenacity level (like in PVE dungeons IL) implemented to PVP matchmaking.

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micky1p00

defiantone99 said:

You are demanding every one of us lose any future 2x shards event just so you do not have to team with lowbies, you ask us to calm down......

matthiasthehun76 said:

No, i say if people can't act the mature way and stay out of the kitchen, if they can't cook (ergo get tenacity gear before entering the arena), likewise i would personally like to see the double power shard event moved away from PVP battlefields and/or a minimum tenacity level (like in PVE dungeons IL) implemented to PVP matchmaking.

Asked to cancel all future double shard events ? who ? Can't be ! We must be putting words:

matthiasthehun76 said:

Hi fellow Players, Devs, Mods!

Please dear Devs do us still in this utterly broken PVP hanging players a favor and cancel all future double power shard events.

Must be imagining things again.

plasticbat

MJ went to a community basketball court and expected seeing Kobe there. He saw a lot of high school kids and the community center had a 50% off special. Then, MJ talked to the community center manager ....

treesclimber

The thing is how do you get pvp gear?
Trade bar (equivalent to 1k ad per bar or near that), guild equipment, that is so bad i rather go with e.drowcraft or df gear, mastercraft (that is out of range of most players), lvl 65 gear.....no need to coment this....

I have 3 chars with prestige/ warborn mix but i understand people that cant get it, or getting it will be a stomp in their pve evolution, if i was them i would simply get 2 cheap battlescared rings, get my DF gear and go pvp, that's why single queue should be a always up event, it doesnt fix everything but the rate of balanced matches during that event was much higher than normal queue group, in fact normal queue should end, there are many times 2 premades overing pvp, im sure that a queue group of 10 would fix the problem, with premades put appart and groups having diversity only thing left splitting IL queues and require minimum tenacity of for example 500 to trim the diference between players....off course things like this will never happens because many money comes from premades and the dream of beiing a premader.

ferdi

Maybe it should be the pve players delving into your arena of expertise that should be complaining because you should be better and win the game for your team. MJ would not care who he played with because he is a winner and you sir are simply a whiner so suck it up buttercup and buy better gear.

matthiasthehun76

ferdi#0617 said:

Maybe it should be the pve players delving into your arena of expertise that should be complaining because you should be better and win the game for your team. MJ would not care who he played with because he is a winner and you sir are simply a whiner so suck it up buttercup and buy better gear.

Ha ha ha you know my gear man! Cool

I will not work for anybody else anymore, if one wants to win, they shall contribute. In the past i have taken the burden of the entire team on my shoulders, but thx not anymore, had enough of lazy people, just standing by and waiting for the easy win.

This game is full of leeches, they just stand by and wait for others to do they job, meh.

beckylunatic

Double shards isn't really the problem, and it's an honest-to-gawd help for the PvE shards too, which a lot of us have more immediate need for right now.

Leeching a win can only work if someone still manages to eke out the win of the match. So it's an unfortunate waste of your time to not cooperate and (maybe) give it to them, but maybe they'll get the message that they're wasting their own time as well.

Bad matchmaking/not enough people in queue is blameworthy. If all the leeches end up only matched with each other, they're going to have to get off their backsides at some point.

matthiasthehun76

beckylunatic said:

Double shards isn't really the problem, and it's an honest-to-gawd help for the PvE shards too, which a lot of us have more immediate need for right now.

Leeching a win can only work if someone still manages to eke out the win of the match. So it's an unfortunate waste of your time to not cooperate and (maybe) give it to them, but maybe they'll get the message that they're wasting their own time as well.

Bad matchmaking/not enough people in queue is blameworthy. If all the leeches end up only matched with each other, they're going to have to get off their backsides at some point.

Thank God finally someone with common sense has arrived!

Thank you @beckylunatic !

I can add only few things more:

1. In the current PVP environment one not BiS and not boon heavy player, like me can't carry a team of leeches on his back, no matter, if i would give it to them or not, it's simply impossible. Before Mod 6 one could have done it, did it all too many times, but those times are over, power creep is huge and if 3 out of 5 people just wait for the others to work their asses of, it won't work, insta loss.

2. Doing the slave work for others is very frustrating and can siphon ones energy very quickly.

3. Players shouldn't leech on other players at all. For me this is normal, but as i can see from many in the community and even here on forums many think it's ok to let others do the work for them and then many wonder why MMOs die out, it's not just the above average greed of recent publishers in the industry, it is the community itself too. I am a bit older than most here and can remember the good old PC days, game communities have changed a lot and not for good, that's for sure.

P.S: Small off topic, i was doing the small Carrundax skirmish on all my toons for fast AD and i have several times met a new guild with a very disgusting name, oh well, anyways they were just standing in the corner of the map, every time avoiding any mob they could, so they didn't had to fight. I mean heck it's maybe 1-2 mins or so and people wait for others to do even that for them, maybe i am getting old, but this is sick. Why play a game and then not play it at the same time again, just let others do the stuff?! Is humanity so lazy now...

arabatur

PvP, meh!

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matthiasthehun76

shadw2012 said:

thefabricant said:

You know, you don't see pve players opening threads like this about pvp players coming into pve and performing badly at it, despite the fact that there are very few pvp players who have the faintest clue what they doing in pve. I don't go calling them leeches though.

Ill have to agree with this statement here.

And to the OP, wtf?

If you dont like it, then quit playing, its that simple. You and the other PVP gorillas are the reason it is toxic and most people hate doing it. Guess ill need to leech on some myself for hell of it, maybe if im lucky i can gank a few of you in IWD.

Ha ha ha you made my day man!

Me a PVP gorilla lol, that only shows you have never read any of my posts in PVP subsection, cause i may call myself one of the biggest anti-PUGstumper advocates here on forums and for this i am many times hated, trolled, harassed by some PVP guilds and also by some premades.

My IL is 3,7 in PVP (all hard work on my main toon!) and i am sitting in a small family type guild, so my boons aren't there either, BUT you know i compensate it with HARD WORK, which most don't do, they wait for the easy AD to fly into their pockets, heck why should they work for it.

I guess for most the word WORK is like an insult, as far as my experience here shows, better hop onto somebodies back and leech him till he is dry.

People...tsk, tsk.

matthiasthehun76

Sorry me again, since i am a huge history buff i thought i might add this for all, who think leeching on others hard work is a value.

Remember school, Caesar and the roman invention called turtle formation, if it doesn't ring bells, just look it up on the net.

If only 1(!) single member of the group wasn't WORKING, just leeched or was a lazy guy, the entire formation with all of the foot soldiers within was instantly sentenced to a possible death, this because of the fault of just 1 (not 3 as in my OP example). Just think about it for a while...

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sm0ld3r

matthiasthehun76 said:

Jeez guys stop the train, you might break something. You are interpreting too much into my words, Jesus it's not an Umberto Eco novel.

Now back to usual business and please all relax.

Your example makes no sense. Your analogy would be more like complaining that MJ attempted to play center. Still you are forgetting that even in that example, the reason MJ played center is because his coach told him he had to do it or else he wouldn't get a raise even when he goes back to his usual position.

sigillmacfinn

matthiasthehun76 said:

Sorry me again, since i am a huge history buff i thought i might add this for all, who think leeching on others hard work is a value.

Remember school, Caesar and the roman invention called turtle formation, if it doesn't ring bells, just look it up on the net.

If only 1(!) single member of the group wasn't WORKING, just leeched or was a lazy guy, the entire formation with all of the foot soldiers within was instantly sentenced to a possible death, this because of the fault of just 1 (not 3 as in my OP example). Just think about it for a while...

What you are referring to here is a Roman punishment called Decimation - the 10 man unit [or the entire formation] that the "shirker" belonged too all drew a pebble & the 1 who drew the "black" pebble was beaten to death by his comrades & if they failed they in turn were beaten to death.

However, to return to your main point NO it is not acceptable in any instance to just stand to 1 side & "expect" to have a win handed to you whether that be PvP or a PvE dungeon/skirmish etc.

I am not a PvPer but made a point of buying the Guild PvP armor set so when I had to go to PvP [for the shards] or when being "mugged" in IWD by [usually 2 or more] PvPers when mining, I stood a chance of being able to get away/fight back - I've since upgraded to Warborn for just that reason & the +4 rings that drop from eDemo especially Cowardice & [I think] Vision help me survive that bit longer, BUT its the same in IWD as in PvP, "uber" geared players preying on low geared players in the classic roflstomp manner, even to the point of zone/say "disses" being handed out by the "victorious" PvPer!

Anyhow, I had a lot if fun playing the PvP solo Q a few weeks back but it was still a 50/50 win/lose result as often I would be on a team of "non" PvPers Vs 4K IL PvPers, created somehow at random by the Q system, BUT when it comes to the Guilds needing those shards [or the banners for the weapons] there is really only 1 answer & that is go into PvP & hope the match is at least well balanced enough that whoever wins does so by the narrowest of margins & does not descend into pure "GG" after the 1st 5 minutes as it becomes obvious "your" team has a snowballs hope of winning - the only way to solve these problems is have tiered Q's by IL & Tenacity [so those who have NO PvP gear can also have a "good" match without feeling they will be roflstomped which is the reason most of my Guildies tell me they WON'T go to PvP] - balanced Q's are the only way, until then we will all have to deal with the bots in low level PvP & the "ubers" in level 70 PvP, but no-one should be excluded from trying it if they WANT to at least give it a go.

greywynd

matthiasthehun76 said:

No, i say if people can't act the mature way and stay out of the kitchen, if they can't cook (ergo get tenacity gear before entering the arena), likewise i would personally like to see the double power shard event moved away from PVP battlefields and/or a minimum tenacity level (like in PVE dungeons IL) implemented to PVP matchmaking.

You know, I've been in PvP, and, for the most part, it has been the most toxic aspect of the game. In PvE players are generally helpful. Particularly to the lower levels and undergeared. Yes, there are some that don't want to carry through a dungeon or instance, but those other players, the lower levels and undergeared, don't want to be carried. They want to contribute, learn and improve.

asterotg

greywynd said:

matthiasthehun76 said:

No, i say if people can't act the mature way and stay out of the kitchen, if they can't cook (ergo get tenacity gear before entering the arena), likewise i would personally like to see the double power shard event moved away from PVP battlefields and/or a minimum tenacity level (like in PVE dungeons IL) implemented to PVP matchmaking.

You know, I've been in PvP, and, for the most part, it has been the most toxic aspect of the game. In PvE players are generally helpful. Particularly to the lower levels and undergeared. Yes, there are some that don't want to carry through a dungeon or instance, but those other players, the lower levels and undergeared, don't want to be carried. They want to contribute, learn and improve.

Yes to the most toxic aspect. If You have better gear, ppl blame you for killing them, just bc you have better gear. If you have bad gear, ppl blame you for not gearing up. No to the 'we want to learn' aspect in PvE. Ppl willing to learn read up or ask for tips. Most of the PvE players I met here are either willing to learn and gear up pretty quickly or are a waste of que space with an 'I want it all now and for free'-attitude. Just look at the CTA crowd.

As another players said, dont blame the players, blame the game. They introduced a powercreep, that makes it impossible to play PvP with any kind of fun, if you are not one of the well geared players. Even my CW with BIS PvE gear and 'just' former BIS PvP gear, all boons, t. fey and t. elven enchant is not competitive, if matched against dedicated PvP players. Even dual spec would not help, if it does not include boons, mounts, insignia, insignia boons etc.

voidgift

This just proves that pvp players are p2w gear HAMSTER with no skill.

I say, open pvp for casual players. We need to separate the hamsters from the rest.