"How else can anyone explain a rejection of a 50% off sale, just to get rid of the backlog?"
The steps you stated have been happening since day1 and have never caused a backlog.
The backlog has also not been there for '2 mods'. it started a little over a month ago.
Backlogs like this have been happening, on and off for the last 3 yrs. It is an indication that the whales, who have the zen, have nothing they need to use AD on, so they don't need to sell zen.
They also happened when there were exploits that allowed some folks to print huge amounts of AD every day.
The difference then was that all items on the AH were overpriced too since they were "laundering" their AD in every possible way.
This time, I think it's a lack of players and thus a lack of Zen being coverted to AD coupled with the fact that once you have a backlog, there is no risk to sitting on surplus zen over AD.
I have to say, I use to be very active on selling (Making armor and weapon enchants) and buying things within the market, but I have not logged into the game to do anything for the last 4 months. My guild which was super active is down to a crawl with people just lurking and seeing what pops up as new. At some point, I'll be back in the game (hopefully when they put all the old dungeons back in) I just don't see a point in buying or selling anything on the market, currently.
I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.
It's a very funny mentality players commonly have in this game that whenever something happens that could possibly in a certain scenario mean something bad for Cryptic they assume the worst case is actually happening despite the obvious most probable situation. I think I saw one guy in the entire thread talk about the black friday sale.. How can nobody else consider this? It's very common for American companies/American marketed games to do these sales and I don't think that's a big secret so even if you're new to this game it seems reasonable that there just might be a sale the day after thanksgiving.
Why is it making the back log so high? Because there's much more demand than supply is the most obvious reason. There could be others in addition to this but that's the most obvious one there is.
It seems like if most players aren't bashing the company for preventing cheaters from having an incentive or doing other things to save their business they are bashing the company for "failing" because of things that don't add up to the narrative they're trying to push such as "people are mad at Cryptic so now they don't want to buy Zen", while completely ignoring reality.
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Personally I wouldn't mind if the simply removed the 500 AD for 1 Zen cap. That way you can buy the items you want with Zen without figuring out a way to force the market down.
Without this limit in the ZAX, new/"casual" players would probably never get any usefull amount of ZEN out of it, since the price would only go up.
Which might be no problem for those players, that are sitting on millions upon millions of AD, or for all those botters, that can generate AD without problems...
But anyone else would just be screwed.
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But all the cap is doing it keeping people from selling Zen for the most part, sense they can make more AD by selling Wards and other things like that in the AH. Unless they remove the AH too, the AD to Zen rate can still climb past the 500 AD to 1 Zen rate cap.
Last I check the backlog in the AD trade has reached over 10mil Zen that people are trying to buy for 500 AD each.
It's not keeping anyone from selling zen, since they have no reasonable expection of ever getting any more for the zen.
The only way your statement makes sense is if you start rumors that the cap will be raised.
Right now the only people playing are the free to play peasants, like me, or the whales, who already have everything, hence no zen sales. If you want the peasants to quit, raise the zen price cap.
It's not keeping anyone from selling zen, since they have no reasonable expection of ever getting any more for the zen.
The only way your statement makes sense is if you start rumors that the cap will be raised.
Right now the only people playing are the free to play peasants, like me, or the whales, who already have everything, hence no zen sales. If you want the peasants to quit, raise the zen price cap.
That's not true, I'm a whale and I haven't been playing. I know about 15 other whales who have not been logging into the game either. I think in the term of "Old" botters that have gotten rich, are still there though.
I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.
But all the cap is doing it keeping people from selling Zen for the most part, sense they can make more AD by selling Wards and other things like that in the AH. Unless they remove the AH too, the AD to Zen rate can still climb past the 500 AD to 1 Zen rate cap.
Last I check the backlog in the AD trade has reached over 10mil Zen that people are trying to buy for 500 AD each.
And there is a solution for that too, they could just give players better options for spending AD. For example, they could come up with more usefull items in the Wondrous Bazaar.
Besides, you might want to take into consideration, that some players stopped spending money on NWO based on all the game changes that went down over this year. And unless the Devs start taking player feedback more serious, and come up with patches/updates that improve the "fun" part of the game for players, those players won't just open their wallets for a better ZEN to AD exchange rate...
Not to forget that Steam wallet hickup, which might also have had something to do with the rising backlog.
So, removing or increasing that cap might give some wealthy "players" (AD sellers...) the option to gather ZEN for a while, but the ZEN supply into the ZAX isn't unlimited, and at some point there will be the same backlog, just with bigger numbers attached to it.
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I'm not saying I want the price of Zen to go up, I'm saying I would like it to be possible for Zen to be purchased with AD again. With over 10 mil Zen back-log in the AD to Zen trade that doesn't look like it is happening.
What I would like the most to happen is for the AD to Zen value to drop enough that people actually start selling Zen in the AD exchange again. But if that isn't possible, then I would like the cap to be removed so we could actually buy Zen, even if it is more expensive.
If you post an offer at 500 AD per zen, it will go though eventually. Give it around 24-hours per 1 million in the backlog. The main thing is, if you're looking for or the free route - be patient. Think of it as another sort of time gate... if you can't wait... $$$
Well, the backlog isn't clearing at 1m AD a day anymore, it looks like it is less at the moment, i have 5x 500 ZEN @ 500 AD "buy" listings up for nearly 2 weeks now. Edit: 2 listings went through today, i guess the daily rate is around 700-900k AD a day.
I'm not saying I want the price of Zen to go up, I'm saying I would like it to be possible for Zen to be purchased with AD again. With over 10 mil Zen back-log in the AD to Zen trade that doesn't look like it is happening.
What I would like the most to happen is for the AD to Zen value to drop enough that people actually start selling Zen in the AD exchange again. But if that isn't possible, then I would like the cap to be removed so we could actually buy Zen, even if it is more expensive.
... and without a cap, you wouldn't get any ZEN at all. Since wealthy players and botters would just buy up any ZEN going into the ZAX faster, then you could adjust your current listing.
... and with a higher cap, you still would have to wait for your listing to go through. It might happen a bit quicker then now, but at some point the backlog will probably be the same again.
But those are no real solutions for the problem here. Players have to be motivated again to spend money on ZEN, and then to put it into the ZAX for AD, and that will only happen, if the Devs give the players good reasons to do that.
Right now, you just have to wait, but you will get your ZEN through the ZAX.
They need a new class, possibly a new race or two. I know they're trying to balance what they have prior to releasing new classes, but it's getting pretty stale at the moment. Maybe Mod 11? Druid, Monk, or Sorcerer would round out the Player's Handbook class choices. Any of those would be a welcome addition. Something to get things moving on the exchange is better than nothing at all.
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Black Friday Sale 10.5 New Mod Chirstmas Sale all of these events are keeping people from spending zen atm.
This.
Check back in mid to late January. The ZAX will likely be very different then.
It's become much easier to earn AD with some recent changes that were made to make up for the Leadership nerf. So no surpises that C Wards and other Zen only BoE items are going for over the ZAX exchange rate value.
The AH market for high demand Zen only items will continue to be off kilter until Cryptic comes out with their next AD nerf ( you all just KNOW it's coming!)
The main item sold and purchased is keys. they unlock all the fun high end stuff
NWO zen exchange is locked up because the only way to get keys is to change AD to zen and the exchange cap is like a price freeze on that main item.
In STO, you can buy and sell keys for credits/gold AND ZEN HOLDERS have to buy keys to sell to get credits/gold. and the price of the KEYS are NOT CAP'D
so why is this important ?
In NWO gold is worthless...potions and kits but other than that...worthless In STO gold/credits can buy ANYTHING ships, crafting, bonuses, pets, even fleet versions of ZEN store ships in STO gold/credits can absorb and handle inflation, in NWO the zen exchange can not handle inflation
AH is not in AD=dilithium it is in credits = gold and You can buy and sell box keys on AH
STO credits - products *** dilith - zen *** products - zen NWO AD - products/zen gold...worthless
NWO needs to be more like STO
Yes they need to change how it works to be more like Sto. This would fix the problem.
NWO used to allow lockbox keys to be sold in AH. They changed that because that made the Zen exchange to be pointless and transaction backlog were in months. Yes, months. I believe my first Zen was obtained in 3 months back then.
Reason: most people would not sell Zen through exchange because that would be dumb when they could sell keys to get more AD.
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I have some orders up, none have gone through, the oldest of which is from early in the morning on the 4th of November. Hopefully some of the orders go through by Black Friday/Cyber Monday... and hopefully they actually have a sale!
EDIT: Just an update, my first order for 700 Zen was filled today for an order placed on the 4th, so a wait time of about 2 weeks. Hopefully some of my other orders will fill as well!
The same here, my other 3 buy listings went through around the 2 weeks mark.
And with the current gold "system" in place in NWO, noone is going to sell anything for gold through the AH, even if they try to enforce that. The Devs would have to wipe all gold from every existing account first, and then balance all gold drops, from there we might have a solid ground to start trading items for gold... and i doubt, that the Devs are willing to go through that much trouble.
A few better ideas... + adjusting the AD costs for upgrading companions, so that players would actually do that more often. + upgrading pinatas, so that they drop usefull stuff in the right level range, and start selling them for AD. the more players participate, the better the drop for the person that "pays" for the pinata... + adjusting the AD costs for speeding up profession tasks, so that players would consider using them more often. + "treasure hunt" chests for AD, that can be placed in every map, and reward players with something usefull. and so on.
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The difference then was that all items on the AH were overpriced too since they were "laundering" their AD in every possible way.
This time, I think it's a lack of players and thus a lack of Zen being coverted to AD coupled with the fact that once you have a backlog, there is no risk to sitting on surplus zen over AD.
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Why is it making the back log so high? Because there's much more demand than supply is the most obvious reason. There could be others in addition to this but that's the most obvious one there is.
It seems like if most players aren't bashing the company for preventing cheaters from having an incentive or doing other things to save their business they are bashing the company for "failing" because of things that don't add up to the narrative they're trying to push such as "people are mad at Cryptic so now they don't want to buy Zen", while completely ignoring reality.
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Which might be no problem for those players, that are sitting on millions upon millions of AD, or for all those botters, that can generate AD without problems...
But anyone else would just be screwed.
Last I check the backlog in the AD trade has reached over 10mil Zen that people are trying to buy for 500 AD each.
The only way your statement makes sense is if you start rumors that the cap will be raised.
Right now the only people playing are the free to play peasants, like me, or the whales, who already have everything, hence no zen sales. If you want the peasants to quit, raise the zen price cap.
-Kymos
For example, they could come up with more usefull items in the Wondrous Bazaar.
Besides, you might want to take into consideration, that some players stopped spending money on NWO based on all the game changes that went down over this year.
And unless the Devs start taking player feedback more serious, and come up with patches/updates that improve the "fun" part of the game for players, those players won't just open their wallets for a better ZEN to AD exchange rate...
Not to forget that Steam wallet hickup, which might also have had something to do with the rising backlog.
So, removing or increasing that cap might give some wealthy "players" (AD sellers...) the option to gather ZEN for a while, but the ZEN supply into the ZAX isn't unlimited, and at some point there will be the same backlog, just with bigger numbers attached to it.
What I would like the most to happen is for the AD to Zen value to drop enough that people actually start selling Zen in the AD exchange again. But if that isn't possible, then I would like the cap to be removed so we could actually buy Zen, even if it is more expensive.
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Edit: 2 listings went through today, i guess the daily rate is around 700-900k AD a day. ... and without a cap, you wouldn't get any ZEN at all. Since wealthy players and botters would just buy up any ZEN going into the ZAX faster, then you could adjust your current listing.
... and with a higher cap, you still would have to wait for your listing to go through. It might happen a bit quicker then now, but at some point the backlog will probably be the same again.
But those are no real solutions for the problem here. Players have to be motivated again to spend money on ZEN, and then to put it into the ZAX for AD, and that will only happen, if the Devs give the players good reasons to do that.
Right now, you just have to wait, but you will get your ZEN through the ZAX.
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Check back in mid to late January. The ZAX will likely be very different then.
It's become much easier to earn AD with some recent changes that were made to make up for the Leadership nerf. So no surpises that C Wards and other Zen only BoE items are going for over the ZAX exchange rate value.
The AH market for high demand Zen only items will continue to be off kilter until Cryptic comes out with their next AD nerf ( you all just KNOW it's coming!)
2 main differences
AH is not in AD=dilithium it is in credits = gold
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You can buy and sell box keys on AH
STO credits - products *** dilith - zen *** products - zen
NWO AD - products/zen gold...worthless
NWO needs to be more like STO
The main item sold and purchased is keys.
they unlock all the fun high end stuff
NWO zen exchange is locked up because the only way to get keys is to change
AD to zen and the exchange cap is like a price freeze on that main item.
In STO, you can buy and sell keys for credits/gold AND ZEN HOLDERS have to buy keys to sell
to get credits/gold. and the price of the KEYS are NOT CAP'D
so why is this important ?
In NWO gold is worthless...potions and kits but other than that...worthless
In STO gold/credits can buy ANYTHING ships, crafting, bonuses, pets, even fleet versions of ZEN store ships
in STO gold/credits can absorb and handle inflation, in NWO the zen exchange can not handle inflation
hope that clears up the main problem
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Reason: most people would not sell Zen through exchange because that would be dumb when they could sell keys to get more AD.
Someone cited 16 days? That's third-hand info coming through me though.
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EDIT: Just an update, my first order for 700 Zen was filled today for an order placed on the 4th, so a wait time of about 2 weeks. Hopefully some of my other orders will fill as well!
And with the current gold "system" in place in NWO, noone is going to sell anything for gold through the AH, even if they try to enforce that.
The Devs would have to wipe all gold from every existing account first, and then balance all gold drops, from there we might have a solid ground to start trading items for gold... and i doubt, that the Devs are willing to go through that much trouble.
A few better ideas...
+ adjusting the AD costs for upgrading companions, so that players would actually do that more often.
+ upgrading pinatas, so that they drop usefull stuff in the right level range, and start selling them for AD. the more players participate, the better the drop for the person that "pays" for the pinata...
+ adjusting the AD costs for speeding up profession tasks, so that players would consider using them more often.
+ "treasure hunt" chests for AD, that can be placed in every map, and reward players with something usefull.
and so on.