If I've to be 1000 GS over a GWF to be equal or near by... thats no fix...it's a shame of dev...
Let´s say +2000 IL in mod 10.5 Every equipped dps class at 3k IL like GWF, CW, TR, Hunter will mob the floor with your class. Get your 3x 12 Bondings , the correct companions/insignias/boons, a 100 % critrate and done. We can meet each other in mod 10.5 , i grab my GWF 2.5 IL , i only have that class as a striker, otherwise I also would go for a CW, Hunter or TR. That GWF is halfbooned, low or no insignias, wrong companions and you take that "new warlock". I will pimp him up for that run if you want. And i nearly did not play that class for a 1/2 year, he runs a PVP spec... It´s not only the GWF, even a TR with a good dps spec can do better than your lock in the future, since I met some already. Most TR´s run builds that are not dps/PVE focussed.
The fix is just badly executed, just as the initial Key Change announcement was. I am not sure, but from what I understand the bug with TC was a long standing one, if so, than as they did the class rework, its something they should start with, along other major bugs, only than can you do a rework/rebalance. But Cryptic has some totally backwards way of dealing with things, and now will turn a a whole class into a non-competitive one. Shame
If I've to be 1000 GS over a GWF to be equal or near by... thats no fix...it's a shame of dev...
Let´s say +2000 IL in mod 10.5 Every equipped dps class at 3k IL like GWF, CW, TR, Hunter will mob the floor with your class. Get your 3x 12 Bondings , the correct companions/insignias/boons, a 100 % critrate and done. We can meet each other in mod 10.5 , i grab my GWF 2.5 IL , i only have that class as a striker, otherwise I also would go for a CW, Hunter or TR. That GWF is halfbooned, low or no insignias, wrong companions and you take that "new warlock". I will pimp him up for that run if you want. And i nearly did not play that class for a 1/2 year, he runs a PVP spec... It´s not only the GWF, even a TR with a good dps spec can do better than your lock in the future, since I met some already. Most TR´s run builds that are not dps/PVE focussed.
Well, I've invested much time and money in my warlock, it's my only char because of time. If they want to destroy the class, fine... no more money from me.
I like my SW very much, but I hate to see it destroyed because of Devs they know nothing about it.
Doesn't all classes have 1s immunity after shifting? I know as a CW that once I shift, I have 1 sec of immunity. I am pretty sure HR's got it, not sure about the tanks though.
A DPS class loses dps, a tank class loses tanking. Perhaps they are preparing the field for the next class/
They will keep doing that until gwf can out tank ops and gfs and outdps the rest dd classes together by x20 times, gwfwinter. While they are at it they could make the gwf the best healer and buffer as well with some feat and power changes. Gwfwinter.
I think you dont know what DPS a GF can make.
BTT: No joke: I hope the devs will take a closer look at that fix after they made it and i hope they take this chance to make a rework on SWs. My opinion? No class should double or triple out dps other classes. But...TBH: This bug fix is no surprising at all. This bug is known a long time ( sharp made a really good thread about it where he explains this bug very good). I still believe that the devs will realize that this fix maybe takes to much away from SWs DPS and they gonna compensate this in the near future.
SW nerf again? Hah, why not, because it's so funny to see like a small creature convulses.
asterdahl wrote: We are not planning any buffs to Scourge Warlock with the launch of Sea of Moving Ice, however, we are aware that the playing field right now is not level for DPS and will continue to look into adjustments.
Ok, TC nerfed fixed so.... what SW will do?
Fury without TC is nothing. DPS without DPS is suck.
Damnation? what? really? I don't know, no place for Damnation in PVP, no place in PVE.
My lovely Temptation can live but have a support role only (but it's buffs and defence is much lower that DC have, so no).
SW will be just thrown out of the boat. sorry.
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my suggestion is
up somehow our encounter powers up damage boost from warlock's curses (green too) up creeping death under a curses let it be a ... weighty. or up Furies damage.
up TempHits for damnation three (make a SW's soul puppet really undead, as an own paladine)
for Temptation add +2% Damage resistance for healed targets (stucks for 8 times) let party live near of warlock (now its impossible for low party)
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also GWF damages only in way of SM, Avanguard is weaker than MM in damage and haven't almost nothing against it. So when you will ballannced it pleas know it.
"sometimes the world doesn't need another hero, sometimes what it needs is a monster"
"not working as intended" ...so what? Then make it "working as intended", whats the problem? Change the tooltip and all is fine. TC is not overpowered anymore after the last nerf.
After all the nerfs leave it how it is... that is no "fix", that is ruining a class.
If I've to be 1000 GS over a GWF to be equal or near by... thats no fix...it's a shame of dev...
A DPS class loses dps, a tank class loses tanking. Perhaps they are preparing the field for the next class/
They will keep doing that until gwf can out tank ops and gfs and outdps the rest dd classes together by x20 times, gwfwinter. While they are at it they could make the gwf the best healer and buffer as well with some feat and power changes. Gwfwinter.
The impression I have here is that NWO devs are just like DDO devs, they know close to nothing about the game and just do what they think it's fair. It's unbelievable how a gwf can deal double damage of any other class or how a GF can outdps a damage dealer, its completely HAMSTER to consider that fair and normal.
I'll say again. Give us some balance because without that "bug" we are being outdpsed by all classes. And my sentence to the devs will be "All DPS classes should be able to do the SAME dps"
Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
SW is my only character and now it will be completely useless. At least other classes that are on the "low tier" in PvE are dominant in PvP. SW will be at the very bottom in both. I've put hundrends and hundreds of hours into this game and played along with the mindless grind to make my character "more powerful" only to have all that progress essentially destroyed. Friggin maxed GF's already do more damage than a lot of SW's and they're basically invincible. Don't even get started on GWF. The class balance in this game is so helter skelter that they really just need to hit the reset button and start over, do all the classes at once. This piecemeal rebalancing just doesn't work. All they do is HAMSTER everyone else off. They created an ecosystem for the SW to live in, granted one that was riddled with bugs, but an ecosystem nonetheless. It was around for over 2 years. Now the ecosystem is a nuclear wasteland, completely out of balance. With this change, the SW will be reduced to a gimmicky roleplaying class that can do everything half as good as the best classes.
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It's unbelievable how a gwf can deal double damage of any other class or how a GF can outdps a damage dealer, its completely HAMSTER to consider that fair and normal.
Ur right about the GF, but in FBI ( i got a PVE spec GWF) a SW often makes more as me, when i run in a "normal" grp without an OP. But if its unbelievable how a gwf can deal double the damage, ask a TR what he feels for a long time. No other class should double/triple out dps other classes, but this needs a lot more than just a rework on one or two skills.
It's unbelievable how a gwf can deal double damage of any other class or how a GF can outdps a damage dealer, its completely HAMSTER to consider that fair and normal.
Ur right about the GF, but in FBI ( i got a PVE spec GWF) a SW often makes more as me, when i run in a "normal" grp without an OP. But if its unbelievable how a gwf can deal double the damage, ask a TR what he feels for a long time. No other class should double/triple out dps other classes, but this needs a lot more than just a rework on one or two skills.
I hear you. I feel pity for TRs. Only a very very very few can do DECENT dps, it's not fair. About FBI, the only reason gwf can't outdps a sw in FBI is because they can't stay in melee range all the time against the giants and trolls. The Hati boss moves a lot as Drufi, so they lose a lot of dps because of that. It's sad to see that HRs, CWs, TRs, Sws, have a lot of mechanisms to learn to deal dps and how a GF and a GWF can just "brainlessly" spam 2 buttons and outdps the others. I always do a comparison. Playing with RUgal is just like playing as Rugal in King of Fighters. Anyway, I don't care about GWF being decent, but I do care about GWF doing double damage of other classes it's completely hamster (yes, because r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d is a bad word, right? lol)
Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
A "turn" to what? Poor guy from the side of the battlefield? Thats no "turn" or "fix", that's pure brainless...
I don't want to be OP, I don't want to be "the bst DPS class". But I want be able to stand good and doing my job if I improve my gear and playing well.
About FBI, the only reason gwf can't outdps a sw in FBI is because they can't stay in melee range all the time against the giants and trolls. The Hati boss moves a lot as Drufi, so they lose a lot of dps because of that.
It's sad to see that HRs, CWs, TRs, Sws, have a lot of mechanisms to learn to deal dps and how a GF and a GWF can just "brainlessly" spam 2 buttons and outdps the others.
Grml....if you think a good GWF plays only with 2 buttons i think i have to show you how many buttons a GWF should press to make really good DPS. This 1 or 2 button smashing time was over after they fixed Lostset No offense. Just saying
Anyway, I don't care about GWF being decent, but I do care about GWF doing double damage of other classes it's completely hamster (yes, because r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d is a bad word, right? lol)
True. No other class should do that. Best solution= every striker class deals the same dps. Problem solved, but this is only a dream...
Yes. Looks like a good strategy ^^. Bring a new class, make it buggy and broken and OP and when they made enough money fix the bugs and make it much more weaker.
so i guess ill have to BIS every class and then i am fine lols
Nop...sometimes its wiser to dont look for to much attention in forums where its not necessary to show and post how fast a dungeon can be done with some broken things. I think the reaction from the devs will be slower as it is now
Or they are just getting to GWF class balance last, remember they haven't been "reworked" yet, I am of the personal opinion we will all taste the nerf hammer before this is over....
so i guess ill have to BIS every class and then i am fine lols
Nop...sometimes its wiser to dont look for to much attention in forums where its not necessary to show and post how fast a dungeon can be done with some broken things. I think the reaction from the devs will be slower as it is now
sadly thats the aproach all the exploiters out there take. not really my style
When SW was soloing and face-tanking bosses with the Fabled set, GWF was trying hard to get 4th on paingiver. Each class gets a turn, SW had his Mods 4-10.5. I hope CW and TR get more turns soon.
Please, I never got a fabled set. So how was i killed bosses in your opinion? Yes in m6-m7 or whatever was a rise of SW's puppet but they weren't up your SW'a more than 2.5 IL and after this they just erased after fix. Ok, so what to do now for these SW's who up their character to 3-4+ for DPS?
"sometimes the world doesn't need another hero, sometimes what it needs is a monster"
IMO, the problem is "fixing" TC, it's ignoring the balance by ONLY "fixing" TC. The devs should know the % of DPS that comes from that skill - that's why they are "fixing" it. Therefore they should understand the impact to the DPS of the class by doing so and offset that DPS with a buff someplace else. That is the problem and it's a recurring one (ex. Keygate.)
First off, "not working as intended", doesn't mean "bug" or "broken". It means over-performing. And the truth is they're nerfing this due to the overwhelming number of GWF crybabies who can't stand being out dpsed by a handful of SWs. Trust me, I deal with their fragile ego syndromes on a daily basis.
Who should be top of the dps ladder? GWFs? Nope, they have too much survivability in combat. TRs? Possibly, they have stealth to mitigate dmg, but still squishy. CWs? Hmmm, no. They are "control".
So where does that leave the HB SW? Super squishy dps class that's dropping a few rungs in the ladder now. What do SWs get to compensate? More lifesteal? Rofl. Cryptic better re-evaluate this change before it goes live. Seriously, are we back to live beta testing now?
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Every time they idiot-proof something...they make better idiots.
asterdahl wrote: We are not planning any buffs to Scourge Warlock with the launch of Sea of Moving Ice, however, we are aware that the playing field right now is not level for DPS and will continue to look into adjustments.
Hahaha, it's so great.
destroy class
"we will continute to look"
we will have a lot of other stuff to do, like handling unanswered tickets from >100 days
I don´t think there is a class or group of player who is guilty for this fix, the problem is as allways the company doing stuff without thinking about consequences in advance. It´s like a little child with zero abilies to plan the next day, wich is hard to understand, provided the responsibles are adult.
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Every equipped dps class at 3k IL like GWF, CW, TR, Hunter will mob the floor with your class.
Get your 3x 12 Bondings , the correct companions/insignias/boons, a 100 % critrate and done.
We can meet each other in mod 10.5 , i grab my GWF 2.5 IL , i only have that class as a striker, otherwise I also would go for a CW, Hunter or TR. That GWF is halfbooned, low or no insignias, wrong companions and you take that "new warlock".
I will pimp him up for that run if you want. And i nearly did not play that class for a 1/2 year, he runs a PVP spec...
It´s not only the GWF, even a TR with a good dps spec can do better than your lock in the future, since I met some already.
Most TR´s run builds that are not dps/PVE focussed.
If they want to destroy the class, fine... no more money from me.
I like my SW very much, but I hate to see it destroyed because of Devs they know nothing about it.
BTT:
No joke: I hope the devs will take a closer look at that fix after they made it and i hope they take this chance to make a rework on SWs. My opinion? No class should double or triple out dps other classes. But...TBH: This bug fix is no surprising at all. This bug is known a long time ( sharp made a really good thread about it where he explains this bug very good). I still believe that the devs will realize that this fix maybe takes to much away from SWs DPS and they gonna compensate this in the near future.
because it's so funny to see like a small creature convulses.asterdahl wrote:
We are not planning any buffs to Scourge Warlock with the launch of Sea of Moving Ice, however, we are aware that the playing field right now is not level for DPS and will continue to look into adjustments.
Ok, TC
nerfedfixed so.... what SW will do?Fury without TC is nothing. DPS without DPS is suck.
Damnation? what? really? I don't know, no place for Damnation in PVP, no place in PVE.
My lovely Temptation can live but have a support role only (but it's buffs and defence is much lower that DC have, so no).
SW will be just thrown out of the boat. sorry.
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my suggestion is
up somehow our encounter powers
up damage boost from warlock's curses (green too)
up creeping death under a curses let it be a ... weighty. or up Furies damage.
up TempHits for damnation three (make a SW's soul puppet really undead, as an own paladine)
for Temptation add +2% Damage resistance for healed targets (stucks for 8 times) let party live near of warlock (now its impossible for low party)
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also GWF damages only in way of SM, Avanguard is weaker than MM in damage and haven't almost nothing against it. So when you will ballannced it pleas know it.
The impression I have here is that NWO devs are just like DDO devs, they know close to nothing about the game and just do what they think it's fair. It's unbelievable how a gwf can deal double damage of any other class or how a GF can outdps a damage dealer, its completely HAMSTER to consider that fair and normal.
I'll say again. Give us some balance because without that "bug" we are being outdpsed by all classes.
And my sentence to the devs will be "All DPS classes should be able to do the SAME dps"
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
Xbox GT -- Mr Shabok
My Guide
But if its unbelievable how a gwf can deal double the damage, ask a TR what he feels for a long time.
No other class should double/triple out dps other classes, but this needs a lot more than just a rework on one or two skills.
About FBI, the only reason gwf can't outdps a sw in FBI is because they can't stay in melee range all the time against the giants and trolls. The Hati boss moves a lot as Drufi, so they lose a lot of dps because of that.
It's sad to see that HRs, CWs, TRs, Sws, have a lot of mechanisms to learn to deal dps and how a GF and a GWF can just "brainlessly" spam 2 buttons and outdps the others.
I always do a comparison. Playing with RUgal is just like playing as Rugal in King of Fighters. Anyway, I don't care about GWF being decent, but I do care about GWF doing double damage of other classes it's completely hamster (yes, because r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d is a bad word, right? lol)
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
I don't want to be OP, I don't want to be "the bst DPS class".
But I want be able to stand good and doing my job if I improve my gear and playing well.
No offense. Just saying
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Please, I never got a fabled set. So how was i killed bosses in your opinion?
Yes in m6-m7 or whatever was a rise of SW's puppet but they weren't up your SW'a more than 2.5 IL and after this they just erased after fix. Ok, so what to do now for these SW's who up their character to 3-4+ for DPS?
Who should be top of the dps ladder? GWFs? Nope, they have too much survivability in combat. TRs? Possibly, they have stealth to mitigate dmg, but still squishy. CWs? Hmmm, no. They are "control".
So where does that leave the HB SW? Super squishy dps class that's dropping a few rungs in the ladder now. What do SWs get to compensate? More lifesteal? Rofl. Cryptic better re-evaluate this change before it goes live. Seriously, are we back to live beta testing now?
Every time they idiot-proof something...they make better idiots.
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It´s like a little child with zero abilies to plan the next day, wich is hard to understand, provided the responsibles are adult.