itc a problem huh... the one tr encounter for survivability. lets take away gwf unstoppable and sd, hrs marauders and foxes cunning, cws repel and shield, gfs shield, ops tw and sanctuary... oh hell lets make no class with survivability at all. smoke bomb being spammable? you mean like every other classes encounters when you have high recovery? sounds broken to me! i understand the tr is a target because its unthinkable that a single target specialist would be great at pvp but be realistic with the nerfs. if you take away se, trs have nothing.
edit: please no one tell me about your one friend who uses an inefficent build that you approve of, ty.
Actually, TRs have plenty outside of SE and are plenty survivable without ITC. I've been playing without it for 2 years and I've never been easy to kill.
If you have been paying any attention, you would have noticed that there are plenty of us that say such things, that also know that TRs need damage increases across the board as well.
Defending those two powers is simply you trying to protect your overpowered build because you like things nice and easy.
Well, get ready, the changes are coming.
I starting to like what you write more and more +1 :-).
I used to get upset that the devs dont listen to the community when they make changes... now I understand why. Anything that actually works is "overpowered" to everyone lol lets play a game. state the item level and class of your top character. ill start, im a 3.9 tr. everyone else follow with your own, and im sure we'll quickly find out the real reason everyone comments the way that they do. PLEASE do not be the person to say "item level means nothing". I agree it doesnt always mean something, but its a real good indicator. The point is not that trs dont have ANY survivability, the point is that theres really only one move we have compared to every other class that has tons. Of course trs need a damage increase, thats amongst other things. Anyway, I enjoy how every pvp post becomes about trs. Trying to derail the initial topic is how you can tell the solo queue event is a success.
Keep joking. PvP is dead because of the so-called pro-PvP guilds. You guys ruined PvP with your abuse of broken stuff and premades. I wouldn't even joke about it.
Go stomp "the pugs" until they all leave and you will have to stop playing the game because nobody is around.
Try to queue for GG and make a video. Come on mighty one. Do it. And what you will show is the result of guys like you "stomping pugs".
Stompers and players talking about "pugs" as if they were some kind of "elite" think they are strong, instead they are the scum of this game, and the proof is that their behaviour killed PvP almost completely. PvP was completely left in your hands and the best things you guys did was kill it through broken stuff abuse and premade roflstomp abuse.
Yet you still are here talking while you should just shut up and be ashamed of what you did to this game. Pathetic.
This is a game. Treating PvP in a mmo game as if it was some kind of professional sport while acting like some pathetic version of a virtual "elite" just proves they are a pathetic human beings who need some virtual compensation to feel better. Grow up.
itc a problem huh... the one tr encounter for survivability. lets take away gwf unstoppable and sd, hrs marauders and foxes cunning, cws repel and shield, gfs shield, ops tw and sanctuary... oh hell lets make no class with survivability at all. smoke bomb being spammable? you mean like every other classes encounters when you have high recovery? sounds broken to me! i understand the tr is a target because its unthinkable that a single target specialist would be great at pvp but be realistic with the nerfs. if you take away se, trs have nothing.
edit: please no one tell me about your one friend who uses an inefficent build that you approve of, ty.
Surely I hate nerfs as much as the next guy but if you take away the GWF's unstoppable for example then you'd have to take away the rogue's stealth not his itc. Get it right, no need to bulshit ourselves here.
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
PLEASE do not be the person to say "item level means nothing". I agree it doesnt always mean something, but its a real good indicator
Item level is actually everything or at least 95% of it. Take a GF for example, tough to kill, hits like a truck, has a block and very good cc etc etc... And yet at 2-3k IT a GF is more or less normal but at 3.5-4k and above its flat out ridiculous with the amount of damage they can do and the amount of self healing and overall tankiness. Anyone who has played Neverwinter enough knows that its all about the gear in this game, 2nd come the op/ftm classes/class abilities. So called skill is somewhere at the tail-end of relevance.
I play only two toons out of all I have 'cause I cant support more than that. A 3.4 Paladin and a 2.8 GF. Both can be a threat in pvp even when mingling with bis people and most of their power comes in from legendary items and high level enchantments there is no denying that. Next come the class mechanics with things like binding oath etc.
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Keep joking. PvP is dead because of the so-called pro-PvP guilds. You guys ruined PvP with your abuse of broken stuff and premades. I wouldn't even joke about it.
Go stomp "the pugs" until they all leave and you will have to stop playing the game because nobody is around.
Try to queue for GG and make a video. Come on mighty one. Do it. And what you will show is the result of guys like you "stomping pugs".
Stompers and players talking about "pugs" as if they were some kind of "elite" think they are strong, instead they are the scum of this game, and the proof is that their behaviour killed PvP almost completely. PvP was completely left in your hands and the best things you guys did was kill it through broken stuff abuse and premade roflstomp abuse.
Yet you still are here talking while you should just shut up and be ashamed of what you did to this game. Pathetic.
This is a game. Treating PvP in a mmo game as if it was some kind of professional sport while acting like some pathetic version of a virtual "elite" just proves they are a pathetic human beings who need some virtual compensation to feel better. Grow up.
Dude, looks like that sayajin person managed to troll you after all. Forget Synergy or any other "elite" guild. Best thing the rest of us can do is ignore them all. Im actively ignoring every member of them guilds the monent he/she types some bs in chat or does something moronic like corpse jumping. I dont need to subject myself to anything such a person has to say.
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Tbh. What skill there is in PvP in neverwinter is knowing how to rotate nodes, which class counters which, swapping some gear in light of how much cc is going around, all on the fly. Also to an extent being able to ignore ego, not fight a losing position, call in help, or run away somewhere where you can be of better use.
This thread is so funny. Now every one can kill everyone. I think with current situation everything is more balanced. Than has been in a long time.
Trs still are tough to kill but not impossible .Check Hrs now have some teeth and can kill things or they can have CC and barley kill any thing. so they can do one or other. Check Sw now can hold there own in PVp . Check Gf and GWF can kill you but they can also be killed by others.Check Dcs and Ops can now be killed but can hold nodes a long time but they may need a little work Cw can hold a node just by repel repel repel but you can kill thim with a team mate. Check
So over all things have gotten better with SOLO QUE. Now every one QQing about every one. Devs heard it all before. The trick is learn to play your Toon again is a must. Making use of a team mate helps any combo now of 2 can beat a solo player no matter the combo.This makes no solo player god any more. I still loose solo combat to any of the other damaging classes. It is no longer just button pushing insta kills and never die you must be smart time your attacks and counters and adjust gear based on other teams composition. 103 Solo ques all were not well but 70% were decided with in 1000 to 850 points and 50% were with in 100 points at the end that's a win for solo que in my book. Which is what the thread of original post was about .before all QQing started.
So lets quit being petty take your play to next level and stopcrying for nerfs because dont want to work for victory and hope solo que returns and have fun again
About the main matter: Gear (not just sets, but SH stuff, SH boons, mounts and its whole mechanic but speed, etc) on this game is EVERYTHING, which is the second main source of the problem in both PvE and PvP and it dwarfs almost all other facts on this game.
Again´+ 1 skill is when you play with simular gear but pve is a joke right pets with bonding will do more damage then anything without can muster (take pal with cub).
Tbh the right pets with broken rings +bonding makes paingiver a complete joke and nm how well you play your class right mount + stable + bonding´+pets with gear has utterly destroyed any challange in pve.
You no longer play classes you play add on that multiply whatever you do x5.
SH boon ALONE is close to 22 that is Twenty-Two RANK 12 ENCHANTS IN BUFFS compared to those that has non pull out some epic mounts on top of that and yea well who cares about what you can do as class any more its just about what gear/pets/bonding you carry... p2w has been taken to a new lvl in this game and I see no end to it as to much money has been spent on these things for cryptic to be able to do something about it .......
i was talking about the survivability that unstoppable gives, not what feature is distinct to each class. do rogues regen health in stealth? do they even regen health using itc? sure they can run, but they still get hurt while invisible. also i know gear means alot, thats why i said that before someone says the same old story of "gear means nothing if you dont have skill, my 2.5 gf once beat a 3.5 gwf so it means im skilled". alot of people are missing the bigger picture here. if they made brackets, no one would even want to get to a higher bracket. dont believe me? go see all the twinks in 60s pvp. they keep making new characters just to relive the 60-70 feel of the old pvp. if you need further proof, look at pve. whats the popular number now? 3k. i pug alot so i see most people are at 3k barely. why? because thats the minimum they have to be to do content. with fbi theyll just get to 3.1 and stay there. pvp is no different. everyone will put just enough stuff to be the lowest bracket (of course some will twink and find the right gear for max efficency and farm wins there). lastly i believe there should MAYBE be a minimum item level requirement for 70s pvp, but no brackets.
Leave Sh boons, mounts equip powers and combat powers in. Cmon people have grinded or paid alot of money to get them. No way this game would allow that to make it "fair" they would lose soooo much money if they did.
They just need to make a solo que playlist purely solo with no means of telling which team you are on, or if it has popped until you load the game so you can't que sync it to cheat the system. They also need to change the team making algorithm to make it not recognize guild, friend or alliance member affiliations. Then it will be purely based of luck who you get. Problem fixed.
Find me in game if you want and send me a domination/ gaunt invite. If you are good and im not busy ill play with you. Im not an elitist ill play with almost anyone.
Leaving boons and mounts in will lead to the end of PVP. No queue is going to make things fair and skill v skill with them still in it. The richest guild will dominate and the rest will just be farmed. Of course farmers see nothing wrong with PVP....
They would lose too much money if they stopped letting you use them. I doubt they would do that.
Find me in game if you want and send me a domination/ gaunt invite. If you are good and im not busy ill play with you. Im not an elitist ill play with almost anyone.
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santralafaxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,896Arc User
I agree with the randomized queue, which could be improved, as well as efforts to improve matchmaking. That is all. And I wish they would put in a permanent queue soon.
vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
edited September 2016
i feel like robbed. I finally had solid pvp and now i have nothing again. but this time i will not waiting many months so see another antitrollmade measure. better evaluate quickly and place solo que back in the game asap
@Clonk, you've obviously been overpowered so long you've forgotten how to play at any other level. Solo Q gave a lot of people who normally wouldn't have a hope in the majority of normal Q matches a chance to shine, and make a difference, and at that level, getting class A onto node X to counter class B is actually a thing, if you haven't got spare team mates to put them down.
Side note, really want to meet you in dom one day, see if you are as good as you think you are.
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edit: please no one tell me about your one friend who uses an inefficent build that you approve of, ty.
Don't even try or the troll brigade will march in to derail the thread.
On another note I wonder if this "data collection" will be incorporated into the new PvP matchmaking system or if solo q will be permanent.
You guys ruined PvP with your abuse of broken stuff and premades. I wouldn't even joke about it.
Go stomp "the pugs" until they all leave and you will have to stop playing the game because nobody is around.
Try to queue for GG and make a video. Come on mighty one. Do it.
And what you will show is the result of guys like you "stomping pugs".
Stompers and players talking about "pugs" as if they were some kind of "elite" think they are strong, instead they are the scum of this game, and the proof is that their behaviour killed PvP almost completely.
PvP was completely left in your hands and the best things you guys did was kill it through broken stuff abuse and premade roflstomp abuse.
Yet you still are here talking while you should just shut up and be ashamed of what you did to this game.
Pathetic.
This is a game. Treating PvP in a mmo game as if it was some kind of professional sport while acting like some pathetic version of a virtual "elite" just proves they are a pathetic human beings who need some virtual compensation to feel better. Grow up.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
I play only two toons out of all I have 'cause I cant support more than that. A 3.4 Paladin and a 2.8 GF. Both can be a threat in pvp even when mingling with bis people and most of their power comes in from legendary items and high level enchantments there is no denying that. Next come the class mechanics with things like binding oath etc.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
The rest is gear.
Trs still are tough to kill but not impossible .Check
Hrs now have some teeth and can kill things or they can have CC and barley kill any thing. so they can do one or other. Check
Sw now can hold there own in PVp . Check
Gf and GWF can kill you but they can also be killed by others.Check
Dcs and Ops can now be killed but can hold nodes a long time but they may need a little work
Cw can hold a node just by repel repel repel but you can kill thim with a team mate. Check
So over all things have gotten better with SOLO QUE. Now every one QQing about every one. Devs heard it all before. The trick is learn to play your Toon again is a must. Making use of a team mate helps any combo now of 2 can beat a solo player no matter the combo.This makes no solo player god any more. I still loose solo combat to any of the other damaging classes. It is no longer just button pushing insta kills and never die you must be smart time your attacks and counters and adjust gear based on other teams composition. 103 Solo ques all were not well but 70% were decided with in 1000 to 850 points and 50% were with in 100 points at the end that's a win for solo que in my book. Which is what the thread of original post was about .before all QQing started.
So lets quit being petty take your play to next level and stopcrying for nerfs because dont want to work for victory and hope solo que returns and have fun again
Tbh the right pets with broken rings +bonding makes paingiver a complete joke and nm how well you play your class right mount + stable + bonding´+pets with gear has utterly destroyed any challange in pve.
You no longer play classes you play add on that multiply whatever you do x5.
SH boon ALONE is close to 22 that is Twenty-Two RANK 12 ENCHANTS IN BUFFS compared to those that has non pull out some epic mounts on top of that and yea well who cares about what you can do as class any more its just about what gear/pets/bonding you carry... p2w has been taken to a new lvl in this game and I see no end to it as to much money has been spent on these things for cryptic to be able to do something about it .......
They just need to make a solo que playlist purely solo with no means of telling which team you are on, or if it has popped until you load the game so you can't que sync it to cheat the system. They also need to change the team making algorithm to make it not recognize guild, friend or alliance member affiliations. Then it will be purely based of luck who you get. Problem fixed.
Side note, really want to meet you in dom one day, see if you are as good as you think you are.
When I meet one of those guys I have to give up and move away
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.