You seem to forget, that an active companion can proc protectors friendship and protectors cameraderie. The difference between bondings and augment is way more, then 185%.
BTW the super experienced perfectly build guy with augment might outdps the ptw noob with R12 bondings, but the same guy with bondings instead of an augment and with the same skill will do more dmg. Gear is not the same as skill, but neither is everybody with bad gear a good players. My own experience shows, that most players who spent time learning their class mechanics spent time gearing up, too.
The players who spent time gearing up mostly just have a better understanding of there class because of how much time needs to be invested to get those items. There's usually not much to learn that anyone who looked up a good build wouldn't know though, well except good dodge/block timing i suppose.
But the thing is with how the game is currently set up at 70 there is no reason to get better items for yourself past some easy to obtain epic stuff. You really only need, companion stuff, mount stuff, and guild stuff. Anything else will give bonuses in comparison that are so small that it'd be a waste unless you had nothing else to do with the AD anyways.
Also I'm wondering what some of you 4k+ item level people did first; go for equipment or bonding stones? Unless you got that IL before they had those i guess.
On my alts I upgrade bondings and the enchants used on the companion to R12 before I upgrade the chars anymore. I upgraded artifact gear (1st mainhand), artifacts and enchants to R9+ before bondings were an issue.
Thanks for replying. That's pretty much what i figure people are pretty much gonna do, upgrading your actual character has become more of a side task...
Unless you got that il before they had those i guess.
Yes. And I think they should re-work the stats to show all of those things as well. Back in the old times (before mod 7) we didn't have mount stuff, guild stuff and fancy schmancy new bondings to proc comaraderie. Now get off my lawn!
Now this game reminds me Nobita and Doraemon. one toon with a HAMSTER team bonding doubles rank 12 you aunke damage is crippled by the cleric. anoited this game stinks. no matter how good you are if you do not bring a cat with bonding bonding rank 12 you win in damage. to one legless. we are the companion of our companion. all carrying bonding are nobita
I actually have NO idea what any of this means... but a Cat with Bondings is pointless, you may as well get a Summoned Companion if you have Bondings.
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Now this game reminds me Nobita and Doraemon. one toon with a HAMSTER team bonding doubles rank 12 you aunke damage is crippled by the cleric. anoited this game stinks. no matter how good you are if you do not bring a cat with bonding bonding rank 12 you win in damage. to one legless. we are the companion of our companion. all carrying bonding are nobita
I actually have NO idea what any of this means... but a Cat with Bondings is pointless, you may as well get a Summoned Companion if you have Bondings.
It's....best if you don't bother with the reference. I don't know how to respond to him.
And @llobuastur, would you mind explaining what you wrote? Especially "damage is crippled by the cleric annoited" and "we are the companion of our companion" part.
I don't get it what seems to be the problem, augmentation and bonding is obtainable for everyone...
I have toons with 3x R12 bonding and toons with augmentation companion yes the bonding runes is better than augmentation
However with augmentation companion its sufficient to run 90% of the content .
If you were trying to match power level using augmentation vs bonding its comparing a normal car with a Ferrari both of them are different category but both of them were able bring destination but the sport car always be faster as it cost far more then the normal car
Fangbreaker has been proven to be difficult content even for 4k toons with rank 12 bonding, i believe those who has rank 12 bonding and been there with PE Pugs with understand this, you need a group of ppl who understand each of their own role in the party to complete this content not just plan gear score.
Bonding was an end game goal, those who willing to go extra miles he/she will able to obtain this power like everyone else able to , every game has top of the line ...
if you were to look at it that way stronghold boons up to 8000 stats offence another 8000 defense stats are as bad.
Legendary mount power + 4000 stats and many more down the line ....
Nerf/balance/tune down them all so everyone has nothing worth work towards to,so everyone should stop progressing after 2.5k/3.1k?
Yes the companion is the source of the power (doraemon) and the character is receiver (nobita) if you have seen the cartoon no matter how great the gadget doraemon gives to nobita he still screw up ... same goes here at NWO even with R12 bonding 20k extra stats standing on wrong AOE or running ahead of the party into wrong group of mobs will still get yourself killed ( i'm telling this to you as experienced gwf 4k with 3x R12 bonding been playing the game since closed beta)
I would say the bonding is fair enough as its everyone can obtain it not class specific and yes we do need that much of stats for content like FBI and later content which designed with bonding R12 into account .
As for rework of bonding again i doubt it be happens anytime soon . Bonding i would says its zen exclusive item which has been bread and butter for cryptic and they wouldn't want to offence those who has bonding R12 normally are those who willing to spend/spent lots in the game and these people are the one who sustaining the game.
However the game is fair enough in the way that bonding can be purchase via Astral Diamonds and it can be earned from just playing the game .
So the way i see it, let me guess was this bout those without Bonding R12 jealous and try to bring down those who has it so can catch up/match with end game toons?
I apologize if i offended anyone this just my 2 cent ...
I don't get it what seems to be the problem, augmentation and bonding is obtainable for everyone...
I have toons with 3x R12 bonding and toons with augmentation companion yes the bonding runes is better than augmentation
However with augmentation companion its sufficient to run 90% of the content .
If you were trying to match power level using augmentation vs bonding its comparing a normal car with a Ferrari both of them are different category but both of them were able bring destination but the sport car always be faster as it cost far more then the normal car
Fangbreaker has been proven to be difficult content even for 4k toons with rank 12 bonding, i believe those who has rank 12 bonding and been there with PE Pugs with understand this, you need a group of ppl who understand each of their own role in the party to complete this content not just plan gear score.
Bonding was an end game goal, those who willing to go extra miles he/she will able to obtain this power like everyone else able to , every game has top of the line ...
if you were to look at it that way stronghold boons up to 8000 stats offence another 8000 defense stats are as bad.
Legendary mount power + 4000 stats and many more down the line ....
Nerf/balance/tune down them all so everyone has nothing worth work towards to,so everyone should stop progressing after 2.5k/3.1k?
Yes the companion is the source of the power (doraemon) and the character is receiver (nobita) if you have seen the cartoon no matter how great the gadget doraemon gives to nobita he still screw up ... same goes here at NWO even with R12 bonding 20k extra stats standing on wrong AOE or running ahead of the party into wrong group of mobs will still get yourself killed ( i'm telling this to you as experienced gwf 4k with 3x R12 bonding been playing the game since closed beta)
I would say the bonding is fair enough as its everyone can obtain it not class specific and yes we do need that much of stats for content like FBI and later content which designed with bonding R12 into account .
As for rework of bonding again i doubt it be happens anytime soon . Bonding i would says its zen exclusive item which has been bread and butter for cryptic and they wouldn't want to offence those who has bonding R12 normally are those who willing to spend/spent lots in the game and these people are the one who sustaining the game.
However the game is fair enough in the way that bonding can be purchase via Astral Diamonds and it can be earned from just playing the game .
So the way i see it, let me guess was this bout those without Bonding R12 jealous and try to bring down those who has it so can catch up/match with end game toons?
I apologize if i offended anyone this just my 2 cent ...
Just a generic heads up on the bonding runestones. Yesterday a had 2 rank 5's drop from just playing the game. 1 while doing ghost stories & another doing the cauldron sabotage & witch hunt (leprechaun key mission) for the elves in the banshee gate area of ol shandy. Both were from mob drops (trolls & the specter I think from the dragon cultist mobs in Ghost Stories)
Highest level I've gotten via lockbox so far is a 9. Thinking about using Wanderers Boon & the basic rewards for the elf missions that are good for gem & enchantment refining to boost em up some.(working on that Campaign anyway)
Quick question though, do runestones qualify as a gen/enchantment to get the higher refining rate. I'd assume they do but I'm wrong often enough not to put much faith in my assumptions.
Just a generic heads up on the bonding runestones. Yesterday a had 2 rank 5's drop from just playing the game. 1 while doing ghost stories & another doing the cauldron sabotage & witch hunt (leprechaun key mission) for the elves in the banshee gate area of ol shandy. Both were from mob drops (trolls & the specter I think from the dragon cultist mobs in Ghost Stories)
Highest level I've gotten via lockbox so far is a 9. Thinking about using Wanderers Boon & the basic rewards for the elf missions that are good for gem & enchantment refining to boost em up some.(working on that Campaign anyway)
Quick question though, do runestones qualify as a gen/enchantment to get the higher refining rate. I'd assume they do but I'm wrong often enough not to put much faith in my assumptions.
Erm, there are no bonding runestones at rank 5. Unless you're talking preview and they made a major change they start at rank 7 from zen market companions or rank 8 from companion fortification kits/companion augmentation kits.
I could be wrong.... it's the stone that shares a percentage of the companions stats if put in the aug slot or if put in an offensive slot I think it boosts crit (may be penetration)
That stone for certain dropped as a 5 twice though. I've not saw them anywhere else yet. (Playing on the PS4 version not that that should matter)
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lirithielMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,482Arc User
Now this game reminds me Nobita and Doraemon. one toon with a HAMSTER team bonding doubles rank 12 you aunke damage is crippled by the cleric. anoited this game stinks. no matter how good you are if you do not bring a cat with bonding bonding rank 12 you win in damage. to one legless. we are the companion of our companion. all carrying bonding are nobita
Ignore anything this guy says until he comes up with a better translating tool.
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I could be wrong.... it's the stone that shares a percentage of the companions stats if put in the aug slot or if put in an offensive slot I think it boosts crit (may be penetration)
That stone for certain dropped as a 5 twice though. I've not saw them anywhere else yet. (Playing on the PS4 version not that that should matter)
You talking about Eldritch Runestones I take it. They're different to Bondings.
Our pain is self chosen.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
I don't get it what seems to be the problem, augmentation and bonding is obtainable for everyone...
I have toons with 3x R12 bonding and toons with augmentation companion yes the bonding runes is better than augmentation
However with augmentation companion its sufficient to run 90% of the content .
If you were trying to match power level using augmentation vs bonding its comparing a normal car with a Ferrari both of them are different category but both of them were able bring destination but the sport car always be faster as it cost far more then the normal car
Fangbreaker has been proven to be difficult content even for 4k toons with rank 12 bonding, i believe those who has rank 12 bonding and been there with PE Pugs with understand this, you need a group of ppl who understand each of their own role in the party to complete this content not just plan gear score.
Bonding was an end game goal, those who willing to go extra miles he/she will able to obtain this power like everyone else able to , every game has top of the line ...
if you were to look at it that way stronghold boons up to 8000 stats offence another 8000 defense stats are as bad.
Legendary mount power + 4000 stats and many more down the line ....
Nerf/balance/tune down them all so everyone has nothing worth work towards to,so everyone should stop progressing after 2.5k/3.1k?
Yes the companion is the source of the power (doraemon) and the character is receiver (nobita) if you have seen the cartoon no matter how great the gadget doraemon gives to nobita he still screw up ... same goes here at NWO even with R12 bonding 20k extra stats standing on wrong AOE or running ahead of the party into wrong group of mobs will still get yourself killed ( i'm telling this to you as experienced gwf 4k with 3x R12 bonding been playing the game since closed beta)
I would say the bonding is fair enough as its everyone can obtain it not class specific and yes we do need that much of stats for content like FBI and later content which designed with bonding R12 into account .
As for rework of bonding again i doubt it be happens anytime soon . Bonding i would says its zen exclusive item which has been bread and butter for cryptic and they wouldn't want to offence those who has bonding R12 normally are those who willing to spend/spent lots in the game and these people are the one who sustaining the game.
However the game is fair enough in the way that bonding can be purchase via Astral Diamonds and it can be earned from just playing the game .
So the way i see it, let me guess was this bout those without Bonding R12 jealous and try to bring down those who has it so can catch up/match with end game toons?
I apologize if i offended anyone this just my 2 cent ...
Thanks for reading
I got my 3 x R12 Bondings by a loooooong hard grind
It also makes it feel better being much more powerful than those around me when I run a lot of PUG's.... I fought long and hard to be over powered lol
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what I mean is that no matter what hands gwf a drunk and armed with orcus set and bonding rank 12 doubles you to inadvertently damage'm sick to see people ask high dps. tr in the great most of the time neither useful nor are we allowed in pwe downs thanks to the power of pvp.mi tr is an executioner who have left 3.4 to much damage that formerly were driven in party by smoke bomb and that tanqueabamos heads and our dps on the boss was the greatest. gf us now to overcome.... sorry for traduction
It's not the bondings. People asking high dps in LFGs because they can't clear a dungeon alone and they want a hard carry and ones with skills.
Also, when was the last time you play? That TR abuse in PvE left mods ago.
DPS TR on boss is still great and please do not compare yourself to GWF. Wicked Reminder is too good of a debuff on us scrubs.
Now this game reminds me Nobita and Doraemon. one toon with a HAMSTER team bonding doubles rank 12 you aunke damage is crippled by the cleric. anoited this game stinks. no matter how good you are if you do not bring a cat with bonding bonding rank 12 you win in damage. to one legless. we are the companion of our companion. all carrying bonding are nobita
I actually have NO idea what any of this means... but a Cat with Bondings is pointless, you may as well get a Summoned Companion if you have Bondings.
It's....best if you don't bother with the reference. I don't know how to respond to him.
And @llobuastur, would you mind explaining what you wrote? Especially "damage is crippled by the cleric annoited" and "we are the companion of our companion" part.
Oh, come on... admittedly, the guy's translator let him down. But, "The companion of our companion" is pretty straight forward. The bondings are so powerful, the comp are doing more damage than the players, In other words.
I don't get it what seems to be the problem, augmentation and bonding is obtainable for everyone...
I have toons with 3x R12 bonding and toons with augmentation companion yes the bonding runes is better than augmentation
However with augmentation companion its sufficient to run 90% of the content .
If you were trying to match power level using augmentation vs bonding its comparing a normal car with a Ferrari both of them are different category but both of them were able bring destination but the sport car always be faster as it cost far more then the normal car
Fangbreaker has been proven to be difficult content even for 4k toons with rank 12 bonding, i believe those who has rank 12 bonding and been there with PE Pugs with understand this, you need a group of ppl who understand each of their own role in the party to complete this content not just plan gear score.
Bonding was an end game goal, those who willing to go extra miles he/she will able to obtain this power like everyone else able to , every game has top of the line ...
if you were to look at it that way stronghold boons up to 8000 stats offence another 8000 defense stats are as bad.
Legendary mount power + 4000 stats and many more down the line ....
Nerf/balance/tune down them all so everyone has nothing worth work towards to,so everyone should stop progressing after 2.5k/3.1k?
Yes the companion is the source of the power (doraemon) and the character is receiver (nobita) if you have seen the cartoon no matter how great the gadget doraemon gives to nobita he still screw up ... same goes here at NWO even with R12 bonding 20k extra stats standing on wrong AOE or running ahead of the party into wrong group of mobs will still get yourself killed ( i'm telling this to you as experienced gwf 4k with 3x R12 bonding been playing the game since closed beta)
I would say the bonding is fair enough as its everyone can obtain it not class specific and yes we do need that much of stats for content like FBI and later content which designed with bonding R12 into account .
As for rework of bonding again i doubt it be happens anytime soon . Bonding i would says its zen exclusive item which has been bread and butter for cryptic and they wouldn't want to offence those who has bonding R12 normally are those who willing to spend/spent lots in the game and these people are the one who sustaining the game.
However the game is fair enough in the way that bonding can be purchase via Astral Diamonds and it can be earned from just playing the game .
So the way i see it, let me guess was this bout those without Bonding R12 jealous and try to bring down those who has it so can catch up/match with end game toons?
I apologize if i offended anyone this just my 2 cent ...
I got my 3 x R12 Bondings by a loooooong hard grind
It also makes it feel better being much more powerful than those around me when I run a lot of PUG's.... I fought long and hard to be over powered lol
Not just myself, everyone has it will tell you the same. If its easy everyone already has it there wont be this conversation/topic
You might not know its not easy to get player to FBI. Unfortunately its not as you imagine , having bonding runes wont make you overpower in FBI , instead normally be overpowered by mobs unless working as a team.
Usage of Augmentation Companion. Been there tried it and even now still using them on my alternate, i still able run and contribute to party efficiently even without bonding and others overpowered gears.
No offence but be realistic , who you think pays for all this?, it was those who willing to spend real money on zen market. without them there are no bonding runes, legendary mount and many other things available including this game.
its spend hard earned real money or work hard for AD to purchase the item from those who got them from zen market that you need in order to improve.
Its still fair play, its not exclusive for anyone, anyone who plays to get enough AD or spend lots of real life hard earned money to support the game will get ahead of those who don't.
everyone are responsible for your own toon, if want be awesome and be respected put some work in it
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
And I still say they are nice on augments...
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And @llobuastur, would you mind explaining what you wrote? Especially "damage is crippled by the cleric annoited" and "we are the companion of our companion" part.
I have toons with 3x R12 bonding and toons with augmentation companion yes the bonding runes is better than augmentation
However with augmentation companion its sufficient to run 90% of the content .
If you were trying to match power level using augmentation vs bonding its comparing a normal car with a Ferrari both of them are different category but both of them were able bring destination but the sport car always be faster as it cost far more then the normal car
Fangbreaker has been proven to be difficult content even for 4k toons with rank 12 bonding,
i believe those who has rank 12 bonding and been there with PE Pugs with understand this, you need a group of ppl who understand each of their own role in the party to complete this content not just plan gear score.
Bonding was an end game goal, those who willing to go extra miles he/she will able to obtain this power like everyone else able to , every game has top of the line ...
if you were to look at it that way stronghold boons up to 8000 stats offence another 8000 defense stats are as bad.
Legendary mount power + 4000 stats and many more down the line ....
Nerf/balance/tune down them all so everyone has nothing worth work towards to,so everyone should stop progressing after 2.5k/3.1k?
Yes the companion is the source of the power (doraemon) and the character is receiver (nobita) if you have seen the cartoon no matter how great the gadget doraemon gives to nobita he still screw up ... same goes here at NWO even with R12 bonding 20k extra stats standing on wrong AOE or running ahead of the party into wrong group of mobs will still get yourself killed ( i'm telling this to you as experienced gwf 4k with 3x R12 bonding been playing the game since closed beta)
I would say the bonding is fair enough as its everyone can obtain it not class specific
and yes we do need that much of stats for content like FBI and later content which designed with bonding R12 into account .
As for rework of bonding again i doubt it be happens anytime soon .
Bonding i would says its zen exclusive item which has been bread and butter for cryptic and they wouldn't want to offence those who has bonding R12 normally are those who willing to spend/spent lots in the game and these people are the one who sustaining the game.
However the game is fair enough in the way that bonding can be purchase via Astral Diamonds and it can be earned from just playing the game .
So the way i see it,
let me guess was this bout those without Bonding R12 jealous and try to bring down those who has it so can catch up/match with end game toons?
I apologize if i offended anyone this just my 2 cent ...
Thanks for reading
Highest level I've gotten via lockbox so far is a 9. Thinking about using Wanderers Boon & the basic rewards for the elf missions that are good for gem & enchantment refining to boost em up some.(working on that Campaign anyway)
Quick question though, do runestones qualify as a gen/enchantment to get the higher refining rate. I'd assume they do but I'm wrong often enough not to put much faith in my assumptions.
That stone for certain dropped as a 5 twice though. I've not saw them anywhere else yet. (Playing on the PS4 version not that that should matter)
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
It also makes it feel better being much more powerful than those around me when I run a lot of PUG's.... I fought long and hard to be over powered lol
Alts :
Storm (SW70), Edge (TR70), AD Farm (CW70), Grunt (GF70), Rosa (DC70), AD AD AD (GWF70), Your Mum (OP70)
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Storm (SW70), Edge (TR70), AD Farm (CW70), Grunt (GF70), Rosa (DC70), AD AD AD (GWF70), Your Mum (OP70)
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Also, when was the last time you play? That TR abuse in PvE left mods ago.
DPS TR on boss is still great and please do not compare yourself to GWF. Wicked Reminder is too good of a debuff on us scrubs.
If its easy everyone already has it there wont be this conversation/topic
You might not know its not easy to get player to FBI.
Unfortunately its not as you imagine , having bonding runes wont make you overpower in FBI , instead normally be overpowered by mobs unless working as a team.
Usage of Augmentation Companion.
Been there tried it and even now still using them on my alternate,
i still able run and contribute to party efficiently even without bonding and others overpowered gears.
Anyone with Astral Diamonds can get one too..
No offence but be realistic , who you think pays for all this?,
it was those who willing to spend real money on zen market.
without them there are no bonding runes, legendary mount and many other things available including this game.
its spend hard earned real money or work hard for AD to purchase the item from those who got them from zen market that you need in order to improve.
Its still fair play, its not exclusive for anyone,
anyone who plays to get enough AD or spend lots of real life hard earned money to support the game will get ahead of those who don't.
everyone are responsible for your own toon, if want be awesome and be respected put some work in it