Please fix Dreadtheft, it only stacks up to 3 and looses stacks even activated in combat, it was a bred and butter encouter in PVP stacking on single target and the way it works atm it is no real option any more
Maybe they should remove the stacks mechanic from Dreadtheft entirely and simply have it apply a single buff/debuff, that's equal to about 3 stacks' worth currently. That way, it would be better in single-target encounters and PvP, and more consistent in PvE.
Maybe the DR buff should also apply for a set amount of time -- the full time the power would normally fire -- even if interrupted. That way, it's useful as a defensive mechanic even if it gets interrupted by a control effect.
Sounds like a good compromise, since atm it´s useless and the way it was it would provide too much defense stats at once. On PTR even without 8000 Lifesteal from SH Boon my templock can pull 15 mobs and won´t go down, using the reworked encounter Bova and Spheres+DT together with that shiftmechanic... pretty tanky and hard to destroy. Only problem is the lack of aoe/damage compared to my 2.8 GWF, maybe an "at will" with bigger aoe would help to get there as mentioned above. But I have to admit, that all this testing will not reflect the performance of a medium geared warlock without 3xrank12 Bondings and rank12 brutals inside an epic companion. To some degree it´s not representable for an average warlock. Maybe I will slot an augment next time.
Buffing Vampiric Embrace's damage is not the way to go IMO. It will continue to be one of the least used encounters for any build, regardless of circumstance. In addition, it quite literally does *nothing* in PvP after damage mitigation and healing depression are factored in.
Other single target encounters dish out more healing to the group (Temptation) while offering significantly increased DPS and utility, such as Warlock's Bargain. Combinations of Soul Scorch, Hadar's Grasp, Warlock's Bargain, and Killing Flames will be slotted long before Vampiric Embrace.
The best thing for Vampiric Embrace is a super short cooldown (along the lines of CW's Disentegrate) so it may potentially be used by Templocks as a primary spike heal encounter. Vampiric Embrace can deal damage, that's fine, but the heal amount should not be based on the damage value.
Speccing into Soul Bonding and casting Vampiric Embrace on cursed targets should also grant nearby allies temporary hitpoints. <- That would be sweet and a practical use for the encounter.
Edit: you can also consider giving Vampiric Embrace the benefit of debuffing a target, so it may see further use in group settings.
@treesclimber regarding infernal spheres fire rate if used as shield, I was thinking the fire rate could remain untouched (0.5s). *However,* each sphere would not fire until x% of your HP (or x% of your weapon damage) in damage is taken.
Therefore, if you are getting smacked up quite quickly by one or more enemies, two spheres would release per second. Otherwise, if you're just getting tickled by an enemy who deals 50 damage to you, a sphere would not necessarily shoot out at them.
One thing I am curious about is how the spheres will shoot at a HR Archer in PvP for example. What if the HR Archer is 50ft away? Maybe in these cases you keep the sphere (along with the +DR%) to be fair.
Of course you could fire off all spheres simultaneously by using the encounter. The tradeoff would be losing DR but gaining whatever heal you receive from the spheres.
Buffing Vampiric Embrace's damage is not the way to go IMO. It will continue to be one of the least used encounters for any build, regardless of circumstance. In addition, it quite literally does *nothing* in PvP after damage mitigation and healing depression are factored in.
Other single target encounters dish out more healing to the group (Temptation) while offering significantly increased DPS and utility, such as Warlock's Bargain. Combinations of Soul Scorch, Hadar's Grasp, Warlock's Bargain, and Killing Flames will be slotted long before Vampiric Embrace.
The best thing for Vampiric Embrace is a super short cooldown (along the lines of CW's Disentegrate) so it may potentially be used by Templocks as a primary spike heal encounter. Vampiric Embrace can deal damage, that's fine, but the heal amount should not be based on the damage value.
Speccing into Soul Bonding and casting Vampiric Embrace on cursed targets should also grant nearby allies temporary hitpoints. <- That would be sweet and a practical use for the encounter.
Edit: you can also consider giving Vampiric Embrace the benefit of debuffing a target, so it may see further use in group settings.
maybe vampiric embrance may play a role in temtation tree, if that HP buff would be relevant/give a fix ammount of HP (also to prevent from being abused) and if that HP buff would apply to the group, maybe like 30% HP+heal otherwise it´s a wasted slot I think, since one Soul Scorch heals better and deals damage on top. Vampiric embrance doesn´t seem to work with lesser curse, WB or TT, only appies HP buff by cruseconsume from WC
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
Vamp Embrace needs reworked. Flat damage isn't going to be useful at all.
If a temptation feat enhanced it and turned it into a HoT, might be a different story.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
Likewise, the fixed puppet does not do impressive damage at all, and a warlock that doesn't rely on bugs for damage really does have to work for it.
maybe vampiric embrance may play a role in temtation tree, if that HP buff would be relevant/give a fix ammount of HP (also to prevent from being abused) and if that HP buff would apply to the group, maybe like 30% HP+heal otherwise it´s a wasted slot I think, since one Soul Scorch heals better and deals damage on top. Vampiric embrance doesn´t seem to work with lesser curse, WB or TT, only appies HP buff by cruseconsume from WC
It's more about the speed of the cast, there are few encounter powers that will heal as fast has vampiric embrace and it doesnt need soulsparks and has a short cooldown, so it's a life saver no matter what, there were some situations i used it before this date, with this change it will be very decent. The only thing i would change is the temp HP granted be turned to shield or something of that kind so all the mitigations apply like normal HP and the HP be a % of player HP.
@treesclimber regarding infernal spheres fire rate if used as shield, I was thinking the fire rate could remain untouched (0.5s). *However,* each sphere would not fire until x% of your HP (or x% of your weapon damage) in damage is taken.
Therefore, if you are getting smacked up quite quickly by one or more enemies, two spheres would release per second. Otherwise, if you're just getting tickled by an enemy who deals 50 damage to you, a sphere would not necessarily shoot out at them.
One thing I am curious about is how the spheres will shoot at a HR Archer in PvP for example. What if the HR Archer is 50ft away? Maybe in these cases you keep the sphere (along with the +DR%) to be fair.
Of course you could fire off all spheres simultaneously by using the encounter. The tradeoff would be losing DR but gaining whatever heal you receive from the spheres.
I disagree, take for example twin scorpions in elol, so i have to wait till they deal that % of damage to me so the charges blast off? They claw me and i'm dead. And lostmauth , i cast them to protect me from the eyes ray, he launches a fire wave and im knocked by a fire ball, 2 spheres gone, eyes hit me, im dead, regarding the charges, why not grant us full control of them? pres eeee how long did it took to you? Well there is only a thing to change, allow them to cast regardless of us being controled or not like cleansling touch from OP's.
I disagree, take for example twin scorpions in elol, so i have to wait till they deal that % of damage to me so the charges blast off? They claw me and i'm dead. And lostmauth , i cast them to protect me from the eyes ray, he launches a fire wave and im knocked by a fire ball, 2 spheres gone, eyes hit me, im dead, regarding the charges, why not grant us full control of them? pres eeee how long did it took to you? Well there is only a thing to change, allow them to cast regardless of us being controled or not like cleansling touch from OP's.
100% agree with @treesclimber. In boss fight it would not anything good, DR sounds ok, but then we give up offensive IS abilities. Sure they would hit back to attacker, if u survive that hit. And even if SW survive 1 sphere = trolling not dmg. Even all spheres one by one is more like trolling than threat in pvp, in pve totally worthless. If SW would have 4 slots as CW then maybe I would use. SW have 3 so give up 30% possible dmg output. Hmm., I rather moderate DR via gear set than give up via encounter...
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Everybody dies who gets hit by the scorpion claw. The point is to not get hit. The laser is supposed to be intercepted by the tank. I am getting confused here.
a warlock tracking him with DT buff 5 stack+debuff doesn´t get onehittet allways, did that many times and survived those hits, no soulforged involved nor shift as far as I remember, maybe deflect+ PVP build
Do you guys have a camera in here? This is what I was working on. The patch note will be:
Scourge Warlock: Infernal Spheres: No longer attacks enemies that get near you. Instead, sends a sphere out to targets that attack you.
There are a couple of situations where this change may be undesirable, though. Infernal Spheres can be useful for a Soulbinder to build sparks quickly, and it's useful for tracking down stealthy targets as it hits them even if you can't see them.
that´s what I used them before they got nerfed and never critted nor recharged my sparks any more...mod 6 i guess, but the damage they dealt that time was before drowned set/wheel/insignia crazyness more or less these days they will tickle the target and buff his negation/insignia selfheal, only advantage will be the DR buff i guess
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treesclimberMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,161Arc User
Everybody dies who gets hit by the scorpion claw. The point is to not get hit. The laser is supposed to be intercepted by the tank. I am getting confused here.
There is a big diference between what is suposed and what happens, and tanks shielding the lazer eye is a thing i've seen not happening many times. You can can argue "oh but that's why they have no idea how to tank", ok, true but the way spheres changed, they should at least protect us from danger by expending right(since the damage potential has lowered a lot) and their cleverness to act and do it in the right moment is....being kind, not too good. And the point was not if everybody gets or not one shoted by the scorps, the point was we need take damage to deal it, risking to get clawed because we can not predict how all of our fights will proceed and we may need some extra damage at some point to help the team clean faster and change powers mid battle never seemed like a genius idea to me, that is a protective power being counter productive. Scorpions is just a example, CN 2nd boss, CN fail to defeat adventurers on time.
Is there any chance that we could have the ability to change builds or rotations outside of combat? I have seen this in other MMOs. I'd be willing to pay Zen to be able to switch builds.
In my memory spheres were/are a situational encounter, some used it in PVP before they broke it, some used it to apply lesser curse/gain sparks + curseconsuming encounter like firy bolt. But it never was a good dps encounter... now it´s has a defensive effect wich might help sometimes/situationally. Not sure what the damage will be like atm, but I doubt it can hold against any aoe encounter nor SoulScorch/KF and since we got ACC it´s not that needed anyway to apply LC, if you got enough crit. I may use the DR buff up to 35% , wich is huge, and facetank singletargets using BoVa+SS, and I would try it in PVP, where it might help situationally for DR-buff/tracking/spark gain Facing a GWF f.e. may work, IS+WB+Bova-shift-HoB-shift, recast IS etc., maybe it will work that ...way mabe not, depends on the GWF, but you can benefit from LC proc+ DR buff even not using ACC but BT+Slip or warding curse. I guess a templock will be pretty indestructable, uising elvenbattle+IS+Bova+WB , maybe darkness temp tier4 feat on top... he hardly will kill anyone either
If you want to use infernal spheres as a way to gain soul sparks, hit the encounter again after its active to force attack. Easy. I argue its better to use essense defiler on a cursed target, though.
I dont understand the eLoL scorpion bit. The spheres could be designed to not shoot off until x amount of damage is received. Therefore, the first time a scorpion hits you, it could techically take off all spheres or just one.
Plus, spheres should not keep you alive from the scorpions, but dodging and running should. I dont want a god-mode encounter to solo face tank the scorpions while standing in lava.
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treesclimberMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,161Arc User
If you want to use infernal spheres as a way to gain soul sparks, hit the encounter again after its active to force attack. Easy. I argue its better to use essense defiler on a cursed target, though.
I dont understand the eLoL scorpion bit. The spheres could be designed to not shoot off until x amount of damage is received. Therefore, the first time a scorpion hits you, it could techically take off all spheres or just one.
Plus, spheres should not keep you alive from the scorpions, but dodging and running should. I dont want a god-mode encounter to solo face tank the scorpions while standing in lava.
DT(on live) stacks way over that, stacks damage, deal more damage yet it's not even near to make SW's GOD's or making them swim in lava pools i've seen only a hand full of them doing something similar so far, but if you dodge why use IS? If they just deal damage if you get damage, and the amount of times you can get damage in those dangerous situations is small, slot another encounter, contribute much more to your team progress and dont risk yourself dying.....they simply make no sence to me now honestly, last time on preview a CW consumed them like homer eating donuts, not a single scrathch and i dindn't had my "life expectancy" improved any better with them even trying to gain some distance waiting for Soul sparks to heal me.
The legacy Fabled Iliyanbruen Scourge Warlock set from the Sharandar zone may need to be looked at to change the mechanics, as its damage scales far too well. This set is no longer available, but inflicts damage based on a target's total health and can be used to achieve some pretty big damage. Obviously, it doesn't have the stats of level 70 equipment (particularly hit points), but the set bonus scales massively. Of course, this consideration also holds for a number of other old level 60 sets that are now no longer available -- High Vizier, High Prophet, probably others -- having set bonuses that are still the best choice to use in many cases.
Yessss!! I wrote 2 tickets to the support in the last months about this, KK, HV and HP sets the answer i got something like "we introduce items on the game so players can try and decide wich is better for them, trying it themselves". I honestly hope they get some change soon.
@fernuu Thx for testing. It bothers me a bit, since you can be called a pretty good warlock on the server. What will an "average" player look like, since GWF has to be called the most easiest class to play in terms of getting rewarded by a respectabel ammount of damage even without paying too much attention. I hope single target damage will stay acceptable. I will never spend any point into arms of hadar btw because its an insult and hurts too much using that power.
LOL, so let me get this straight, a puppet is doing most of your damage yet GWF is the easiest class to play? Who spiked the punch, seems like a bunch of people think that the GWF is easy, make one and out dps me, then you can talk.
Since I play that class I can judge and I do not want to discuss trivial, known issues in this thread, with someone who personally gets touched by getting told his class is easier than others to level, to play and to deal acceptable damage, no need for epeen games, look for another thread. There are 1000 GWF´s wich deal good damage and get there without investing too much into the class, and there are maybe few exeptional player doing astronomic damage. Other classes are not by far that rewarding in short time by slotting some azures in offense slots, it takes time, and there is no discussion about broken feats/powers anyway. They are known and only some xbox dudes believe it has to be skill (that´s what I was told by xbox player, no offense in general) Anyway, those epeen-competitions normally look like this: Somone runs ahead hyperactivley and prevents any kind of contest or balance investigations by swinging his epeen at the mobs i allready experienced those kiddy runs
Since I also play the class I'm pretty sure I can judge as well, All the classes are easy to play. Non of them are really all that skill based.
GWF run up mark them, hidden daggers, throw in some WMS to debuff and top off determination a couple SS to make sure destroyer is stacked, tab unstoppable Hidden daggers IBS and then spam SS. Rinse and repeat.
SW run up pop TT, hit them with WB or HG, DT/BoVA spam SS. while flailing your arms in the air spinning like a demonic stripper, while the puppet kills everything. Or TT, BoVA ,spam SS and finish with broken flames. Seems pretty easy to me.
I take that back, SW goes like this....group with GF, the end. lol
The legacy Fabled Iliyanbruen Scourge Warlock set from the Sharandar zone may need to be looked at to change the mechanics, as its damage scales far too well. This set is no longer available, but inflicts damage based on a target's total health and can be used to achieve some pretty big damage. Obviously, it doesn't have the stats of level 70 equipment (particularly hit points), but the set bonus scales massively. Of course, this consideration also holds for a number of other old level 60 sets that are now no longer available -- High Vizier, High Prophet, probably others -- having set bonuses that are still the best choice to use in many cases.
It's WAI so no problem at all, you probably savaged it xD
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pyrosorcererMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 137Arc User
Feedback: Tyrannical Curse
There should be some rework on this one to make it better to use. The damage link should be increased by a bit now that you can only link the x% of damage from 1 target and not 3. Personally I mean it should also work like the old TT with taking the place of the curse tab function so you can replace the TC on a new target if the main dies. The new improved casting time and mobility fixes are very nice though. It should also be possible to cast before entering combat, like the old TT, but the new cast time and animation should remain.
Feedback: Temptation Cap feat
I know it has been stated Temptation will have to go for another balance, but one important issue could be adressed. It seems now that the outgoing healing from the cap feat is coming from the target that has been hit, and not the SW. This meaning the SW and the allies have to go up close to the target to be affected by the heal, the range also seem quite short.
To improve this the outgoing healing should go out from the SW, so that the SW can position itself to heal others and allways be affected by its own heals, like other healers. The range should also be something like the Oath of Devotion range for OP.
OK all, here's another set. Nearing the end of what we'll be doing before this module goes live. We still have some time for emergency fixes and such, but... anymore than that, and I'm gonna get some serious glares from our producers. That doesn't mean no changes will ever happen again, but the builds gotta get all the approvals and translations and blah blah blah. Anyhow, here they are:
Scourge Warlock: Arms of Hadar: Prone time is now 1 second, instead of ending almost immediately.
Scourge Warlock: Artifact Class Feature: Deadly Curse: Now deals the damage it states in the tooltip, instead of considerably less.
Scourge Warlock: Artifact Class Feature: Prince of Hell: Now increases Damage Resistance by 5%, instead of Defense Rating.
Scourge Warlock: Artifact Class Feature: Snuff Out: Now causes Snuff Out to have a 50% chance to grant an additional Soul Spark when a target dies within range, instead of granting 150 Life Steal Rating.
Scourge Warlock: Dreadtheft: The stacks generated by Curse Synergy with Dreadtheft now cap at 3, down from 5. However, the amount of Damage Resistance granted by each stack has been increased.
Scourge Warlock: Eldritch Blast: Increased the damage of the first hit of this combo by ~33%.
Scourge Warlock: Flames of Phlegethos: Damage increased ~40%.
Scourge Warlock: Gates of Hell: Activation time further reduced to 1.9s, down from 2.2s.
Scourge Warlock: Gates of Hell: Prone time is now 1.5 seconds, instead of ending almost immediately.
Scourge Warlock: Hellish Rebuke: DoT damage increased another 50%.
Scourge Warlock: Hellish Rebuke: The damage reflect component of this power can now be triggered on each target once per second, up from once per 2 seconds.
Scourge Warlock: Infernal Spheres: No longer attacks enemies that get near you. Instead, sends a sphere out to targets that attack you.
Scourge Warlock: Infernal Spheres: Now regenerates a sphere every 5s while the power is active. Running out of spheres will cause the power to deactivate. Alternatively, you may activate the power again to cause all remaning spheres to explode, dealing damage around you.
Scourge Warlock: Killing Flames: Minimum damage increased ~67%. Maximum damage is unchanged, but damage ramping has increased, such that maximum damage is now reached when the target is at or below 25% HP, instead of at 0 HP.
Scourge Warlock: No Pity, No Mercy: In addition to its current effect on Combat Advantage, this power now changes the way Hellish Rebuke functions. With this Class Feature slotted, Hellish Rebuke no longer deals damage over time. Instead, the initial hit of damage and any damage reflects caused by Hellish Rebuke deal 50% more damage.
Scourge Warlock: Soul Sparks: No longer display the words "Soul Spark" whenever you gain one.
Scourge Warlock: Soul Sparks: No longer immediately consumed when combat ends. Instead, one is consumed every 0.5s you are out of combat. This means at full stacks (30) it will take 15 seconds for them all to be consumed. If you re-enter combat, the passive consumption of Soul Sparks will stop.
Scourge Warlock: Warlock's Curse: No longer grants less of a benefit when on multiple targets.
A couple of these are pretty big changes to the feel of powers. The new way Soul Sparks and Infernal Spheres work feels pretty awesome in the play tests we've been doing. Hopefully these changes work out well for you all, it's been awesome working with you guys to get these to you.
EDIT - I SHOULD MENTION - this won't make it into the patch that should be hitting preview today or earlier next week. That build was made earlier this week, and these changes are just getting into the next build.
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pyrosorcererMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 137Arc User
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pyrosorcererMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 137Arc User
And again, @amenar , fantastic work! Patch notes looks great, looking forward to testing them.
OK all, here's another set. Nearing the end of what we'll be doing before this module goes live. We still have some time for emergency fixes and such, but... anymore than that, and I'm gonna get some serious glares from our producers. That doesn't mean no changes will ever happen again, but the builds gotta get all the approvals and translations and blah blah blah. Anyhow, here they are:
Scourge Warlock: Arms of Hadar: Prone time is now 1 second, instead of ending almost immediately.
Scourge Warlock: Artifact Class Feature: Deadly Curse: Now deals the damage it states in the tooltip, instead of considerably less.
Scourge Warlock: Artifact Class Feature: Prince of Hell: Now increases Damage Resistance by 5%, instead of Defense Rating.
Scourge Warlock: Artifact Class Feature: Snuff Out: Now causes Snuff Out to have a 50% chance to grant an additional Soul Spark when a target dies within range, instead of granting 150 Life Steal Rating.
Scourge Warlock: Dreadtheft: The stacks generated by Curse Synergy with Dreadtheft now cap at 3, down from 5. However, the amount of Damage Resistance granted by each stack has been increased.
Scourge Warlock: Eldritch Blast: Increased the damage of the first hit of this combo by ~33%.
Scourge Warlock: Flames of Phlegethos: Damage increased ~40%.
Scourge Warlock: Gates of Hell: Activation time further reduced to 1.9s, down from 2.2s.
Scourge Warlock: Gates of Hell: Prone time is now 1.5 seconds, instead of ending almost immediately.
Scourge Warlock: Hellish Rebuke: DoT damage increased another 50%.
Scourge Warlock: Hellish Rebuke: The damage reflect component of this power can now be triggered on each target once per second, up from once per 2 seconds.
Scourge Warlock: Infernal Spheres: No longer attacks enemies that get near you. Instead, sends a sphere out to targets that attack you.
Scourge Warlock: Infernal Spheres: Now regenerates a sphere every 5s while the power is active. Running out of spheres will cause the power to deactivate. Alternatively, you may activate the power again to cause all remaning spheres to explode, dealing damage around you.
Scourge Warlock: Killing Flames: Minimum damage increased ~67%. Maximum damage is unchanged, but damage ramping has increased, such that maximum damage is now reached when the target is at or below 25% HP, instead of at 0 HP.
Scourge Warlock: No Pity, No Mercy: In addition to its current effect on Combat Advantage, this power now changes the way Hellish Rebuke functions. With this Class Feature slotted, Hellish Rebuke no longer deals damage over time. Instead, the initial hit of damage and any damage reflects caused by Hellish Rebuke deal 50% more damage.
Scourge Warlock: Soul Sparks: No longer display the words "Soul Spark" whenever you gain one.
Scourge Warlock: Soul Sparks: No longer immediately consumed when combat ends. Instead, one is consumed every 0.5s you are out of combat. This means at full stacks (30) it will take 15 seconds for them all to be consumed. If you re-enter combat, the passive consumption of Soul Sparks will stop.
Scourge Warlock: Warlock's Curse: No longer grants less of a benefit when on multiple targets.
A couple of these are pretty big changes to the feel of powers. The new way Soul Sparks and Infernal Spheres work feels pretty awesome in the play tests we've been doing. Hopefully these changes work out well for you all, it's been awesome working with you guys to get these to you.
So more like that it.? All balancing stuffs for warlock?
Ok lets calculate.
TT dmg boost fixed so instead 40% power boost now does 20%. Ok, so 50% output gone, next instead 3 targets now we have 1. Thats mean another -20% TT performance. So 50% +20% = we lost 70%. daily powers performance. compared to live server,
Whats done its done so be it.
Next we received fiery bolt high dmg boost. Sounds nice. So lets say it boost performance by 20%. So now we have -50%.
Gate of hell dmg buff + puny CC effect. lets assume its boost performance by 15%. So still we have -35%.
Gatekeeper's Empowerment rework for single target at will only. = -15%. So -50% once again. Hellish rebuke buffing, since its kinda least usable power, and kinda hand of blight spaming is better option by HB, I can asume +10% performance boost. so we now have -25%. So close. Now add all other changes including shift mechanic. so we get -5%, nothing special.
But wait, didn't this balancing was to bring sw somewhere near other strikers???
We twisted warlocks power so that it can compete with himself alone. Furry HB vs damination HB, vs Temptation HB. SB vs other soulbinder. maybe with DC. But CW, not a chance.. I so 2.5k Gs Cw master of flame performance in preivew, and my Furry HB have 0 chance to compete with him. Even our gs are not so different. So it will remain as where before, 3k gs sw can compete with 2.5k other striker classes.
Oh well, was fun to play with SW, but looks like its time to put warlock to coffin and keep for mod 18. when real changes will occur. Till that probably better play with Nuker/Blaster CW or Bulldozer GWF.
p.s sorry for sarcasm, I expected more. Changes and problems solving why SW performance laging. And that these changes put as near others. Now we will lag behind even more by over all performance.. And I talk about mainstream players... Not 3.5k SW,s who can give competition to 2.6k CW/ gwf, HR
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Well said bloody I have to agree with you. Haven't tested the most recent updates to come back we are still far away from a competitive striker class. The damage output just isn't there and the changes implemented thus far are not enough.
Uses 50% AP, activation time half current duration, effect duration half current duration, cannot be applied again till current activation has ended.
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mutjinninjaMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 93Arc User
That slower soul spark consumption must have been their answer to the AP gain that out SB SWs for ahead of HB warlocks. Well thanks for that. I didn't know this coffin could take any more nails, but you managed to find a spot to hammer it in. Class "balance" that's heavy on nerfs without a singular buff to make us desirable isn't balance. TT has been nerfed (since its inception) to Narnia and back. Where's my last minute change that saves the day? Like with CWs and Storm Spell back in mod 3 when you broke them terribly. Because as these notes stand, I'm stripping down my SW and moving on to greener pastures. The warlock, with your good intentions paving the way, is now dead and far behind CW and HR and maybe even TR in terms of dps output.
The question we must ask now, as it is election season, is: "Are we better off now than [a mod] ago?"
The answer is no. Plain and simple. For all your efforts and thought out plans, you have made us worse off. In the end, this "balance" run with the goal of making the SW competitive and nonreliant on broken buffs and feats has failed.
That slower soul spark consumption must have been their answer to the AP gain that out SB SWs for ahead of HB warlocks. Well thanks for that. I didn't know this coffin could take any more nails, but you managed to find a spot to hammer it in. Class "balance" that's heavy on nerfs without a singular buff to make us desirable isn't balance. TT has been nerfed (since its inception) to Narnia and back. Where's my last minute change that saves the day? Like with CWs and Storm Spell back in mod 3 when you broke them terribly. Because as these notes stand, I'm stripping down my SW and moving on to greener pastures. The warlock, with your good intentions paving the way, is now dead and far behind CW and HR and maybe even TR in terms of dps output.
The question we must ask now, as it is election season, is: "Are we better off now than [a mod] ago?"
The answer is no. Plain and simple. For all your efforts and thought out plans, you have made us worse off. In the end, this "balance" run with the goal of making the SW competitive and nonreliant on broken buffs and feats has failed.
Your doom and gloom post is doing nothing to further our agenda of class balance. The most recent changes they are implementing are a step in the right direction but we need more dialogue, data, and comparisons to others class.
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
Pah, no change to gates of hell's targeting? Well, at least HB has one decent class feature, if the change to rebuke proves to be good at all...
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On PTR even without 8000 Lifesteal from SH Boon my templock can pull 15 mobs and won´t go down, using the reworked encounter Bova and Spheres+DT together with that shiftmechanic... pretty tanky and hard to destroy.
Only problem is the lack of aoe/damage compared to my 2.8 GWF, maybe an "at will" with bigger aoe would help to get there as mentioned above.
But I have to admit, that all this testing will not reflect the performance of a medium geared warlock without 3xrank12 Bondings and rank12 brutals inside an epic companion. To some degree it´s not representable for an average warlock.
Maybe I will slot an augment next time.
Other single target encounters dish out more healing to the group (Temptation) while offering significantly increased DPS and utility, such as Warlock's Bargain. Combinations of Soul Scorch, Hadar's Grasp, Warlock's Bargain, and Killing Flames will be slotted long before Vampiric Embrace.
The best thing for Vampiric Embrace is a super short cooldown (along the lines of CW's Disentegrate) so it may potentially be used by Templocks as a primary spike heal encounter. Vampiric Embrace can deal damage, that's fine, but the heal amount should not be based on the damage value.
Speccing into Soul Bonding and casting Vampiric Embrace on cursed targets should also grant nearby allies temporary hitpoints. <- That would be sweet and a practical use for the encounter.
Edit: you can also consider giving Vampiric Embrace the benefit of debuffing a target, so it may see further use in group settings.
Therefore, if you are getting smacked up quite quickly by one or more enemies, two spheres would release per second. Otherwise, if you're just getting tickled by an enemy who deals 50 damage to you, a sphere would not necessarily shoot out at them.
One thing I am curious about is how the spheres will shoot at a HR Archer in PvP for example. What if the HR Archer is 50ft away? Maybe in these cases you keep the sphere (along with the +DR%) to be fair.
Of course you could fire off all spheres simultaneously by using the encounter. The tradeoff would be losing DR but gaining whatever heal you receive from the spheres.
Vampiric embrance doesn´t seem to work with lesser curse, WB or TT, only appies HP buff by cruseconsume from WC
If a temptation feat enhanced it and turned it into a HoT, might be a different story.
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Even all spheres one by one is more like trolling than threat in pvp, in pve totally worthless. If SW would have 4 slots as CW then maybe I would use. SW have 3 so give up 30% possible dmg output. Hmm., I rather moderate DR via gear set than give up via encounter...
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these days they will tickle the target and buff his negation/insignia selfheal, only advantage will be the DR buff i guess
Are you having a Relapse?
Not sure what the damage will be like atm, but I doubt it can hold against any aoe encounter nor SoulScorch/KF and since we got ACC it´s not that needed anyway to apply LC, if you got enough crit.
I may use the DR buff up to 35% , wich is huge, and facetank singletargets using BoVa+SS, and I would try it in PVP, where it might help situationally for DR-buff/tracking/spark gain
Facing a GWF f.e. may work, IS+WB+Bova-shift-HoB-shift, recast IS etc., maybe it will work that ...way mabe not, depends on the GWF, but you can benefit from LC proc+ DR buff even not using ACC but BT+Slip or warding curse.
I guess a templock will be pretty indestructable, uising elvenbattle+IS+Bova+WB , maybe darkness temp tier4 feat on top... he hardly will kill anyone either
I dont understand the eLoL scorpion bit. The spheres could be designed to not shoot off until x amount of damage is received. Therefore, the first time a scorpion hits you, it could techically take off all spheres or just one.
Plus, spheres should not keep you alive from the scorpions, but dodging and running should. I dont want a god-mode encounter to solo face tank the scorpions while standing in lava.
GWF run up mark them, hidden daggers, throw in some WMS to debuff and top off determination a couple SS to make sure destroyer is stacked, tab unstoppable Hidden daggers IBS and then spam SS. Rinse and repeat.
SW run up pop TT, hit them with WB or HG, DT/BoVA spam SS. while flailing your arms in the air spinning like a demonic stripper, while the puppet kills everything. Or TT, BoVA ,spam SS and finish with broken flames. Seems pretty easy to me.
I take that back, SW goes like this....group with GF, the end. lol
There should be some rework on this one to make it better to use. The damage link should be increased by a bit now that you can only link the x% of damage from 1 target and not 3. Personally I mean it should also work like the old TT with taking the place of the curse tab function so you can replace the TC on a new target if the main dies. The new improved casting time and mobility fixes are very nice though. It should also be possible to cast before entering combat, like the old TT, but the new cast time and animation should remain.
Feedback: Temptation Cap feat
I know it has been stated Temptation will have to go for another balance, but one important issue could be adressed. It seems now that the outgoing healing from the cap feat is coming from the target that has been hit, and not the SW. This meaning the SW and the allies have to go up close to the target to be affected by the heal, the range also seem quite short.
To improve this the outgoing healing should go out from the SW, so that the SW can position itself to heal others and allways be affected by its own heals, like other healers. The range should also be something like the Oath of Devotion range for OP.
- Scourge Warlock: Arms of Hadar: Prone time is now 1 second, instead of ending almost immediately.
- Scourge Warlock: Artifact Class Feature: Deadly Curse: Now deals the damage it states in the tooltip, instead of considerably less.
- Scourge Warlock: Artifact Class Feature: Prince of Hell: Now increases Damage Resistance by 5%, instead of Defense Rating.
- Scourge Warlock: Artifact Class Feature: Snuff Out: Now causes Snuff Out to have a 50% chance to grant an additional Soul Spark when a target dies within range, instead of granting 150 Life Steal Rating.
- Scourge Warlock: Dreadtheft: The stacks generated by Curse Synergy with Dreadtheft now cap at 3, down from 5. However, the amount of Damage Resistance granted by each stack has been increased.
- Scourge Warlock: Eldritch Blast: Increased the damage of the first hit of this combo by ~33%.
- Scourge Warlock: Flames of Phlegethos: Damage increased ~40%.
- Scourge Warlock: Gates of Hell: Activation time further reduced to 1.9s, down from 2.2s.
- Scourge Warlock: Gates of Hell: Prone time is now 1.5 seconds, instead of ending almost immediately.
- Scourge Warlock: Hellish Rebuke: DoT damage increased another 50%.
- Scourge Warlock: Hellish Rebuke: The damage reflect component of this power can now be triggered on each target once per second, up from once per 2 seconds.
- Scourge Warlock: Infernal Spheres: No longer attacks enemies that get near you. Instead, sends a sphere out to targets that attack you.
- Scourge Warlock: Infernal Spheres: Now regenerates a sphere every 5s while the power is active. Running out of spheres will cause the power to deactivate. Alternatively, you may activate the power again to cause all remaning spheres to explode, dealing damage around you.
- Scourge Warlock: Killing Flames: Minimum damage increased ~67%. Maximum damage is unchanged, but damage ramping has increased, such that maximum damage is now reached when the target is at or below 25% HP, instead of at 0 HP.
- Scourge Warlock: No Pity, No Mercy: In addition to its current effect on Combat Advantage, this power now changes the way Hellish Rebuke functions. With this Class Feature slotted, Hellish Rebuke no longer deals damage over time. Instead, the initial hit of damage and any damage reflects caused by Hellish Rebuke deal 50% more damage.
- Scourge Warlock: Soul Sparks: No longer display the words "Soul Spark" whenever you gain one.
- Scourge Warlock: Soul Sparks: No longer immediately consumed when combat ends. Instead, one is consumed every 0.5s you are out of combat. This means at full stacks (30) it will take 15 seconds for them all to be consumed. If you re-enter combat, the passive consumption of Soul Sparks will stop.
- Scourge Warlock: Warlock's Curse: No longer grants less of a benefit when on multiple targets.
A couple of these are pretty big changes to the feel of powers. The new way Soul Sparks and Infernal Spheres work feels pretty awesome in the play tests we've been doing. Hopefully these changes work out well for you all, it's been awesome working with you guys to get these to you.EDIT - I SHOULD MENTION - this won't make it into the patch that should be hitting preview today or earlier next week. That build was made earlier this week, and these changes are just getting into the next build.
Ok lets calculate.
TT dmg boost fixed so instead 40% power boost now does 20%. Ok, so 50% output gone, next instead 3 targets now we have 1. Thats mean another -20% TT performance. So 50% +20% = we lost 70%. daily powers performance. compared to live server,
Whats done its done so be it.
Next we received fiery bolt high dmg boost. Sounds nice. So lets say it boost performance by 20%. So now we have -50%.
Gate of hell dmg buff + puny CC effect. lets assume its boost performance by 15%. So still we have -35%.
Gatekeeper's Empowerment rework for single target at will only. = -15%. So -50% once again.
Hellish rebuke buffing, since its kinda least usable power, and kinda hand of blight spaming is better option by HB, I can asume +10% performance boost. so we now have -25%. So close.
Now add all other changes including shift mechanic. so we get -5%, nothing special.
But wait, didn't this balancing was to bring sw somewhere near other strikers???
We twisted warlocks power so that it can compete with himself alone. Furry HB vs damination HB, vs Temptation HB.
SB vs other soulbinder. maybe with DC. But CW, not a chance.. I so 2.5k Gs Cw master of flame performance in preivew, and my Furry HB have 0 chance to compete with him. Even our gs are not so different. So it will remain as where before, 3k gs sw can compete with 2.5k other striker classes.
Oh well, was fun to play with SW, but looks like its time to put warlock to coffin and keep for mod 18. when real changes will occur. Till that probably better play with Nuker/Blaster CW or Bulldozer GWF.
p.s sorry for sarcasm, I expected more. Changes and problems solving why SW performance laging. And that these changes put as near others. Now we will lag behind even more by over all performance.. And I talk about mainstream players... Not 3.5k SW,s who can give competition to 2.6k CW/ gwf, HR
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Uses 50% AP, activation time half current duration, effect duration half current duration, cannot be applied again till current activation has ended.
The question we must ask now, as it is election season, is: "Are we better off now than [a mod] ago?"
The answer is no. Plain and simple. For all your efforts and thought out plans, you have made us worse off. In the end, this "balance" run with the goal of making the SW competitive and nonreliant on broken buffs and feats has failed.