thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
@darthtzarr think of it like this, a GF provides itf which replaces a DPS and then KV, which is a huge survivability boost to the rest of the party and that is only looking at 2 encounters, let alone a third. Back in mod 5 when I did CN speed runs and ITF was nowhere near as strong as it is now, I ran with a GF for ITF and post nerf, I still will. Why? Because a DPS just gives you DPS, a support gives you support + other utility.
@thefabricant I am trying to say how impossible it would beat the value of a GF. It isn't that it is impossible. It is that I don't think that with the class balance (as of mod 10 release) that it will happen. However, people will still want the best. If the best happens to be 5 DPS classes... because the GF and other support loses all their buffing power, then that happens... If a DPS class gains a stacking party buff of 30% and nobody is dying anyways... is the extra 6.5% a GF can bring worth the extra DPS of the DPS class? Probably not if the 5 DPS classes can run it without dying.
I personally bring anyone who wants to come on dungeon runs, pretty much regardless of class or role. I am just talking about what the meta-game elitists (the ones that do the excluding) would do if a DPS could fill the GF's slot better, and what it would take for a DPS class to fill the GF's slot better. Nobody needs to worry about GF getting replaced. They are still (probably) the best at what they do. Honestly I really like the changes to the GF. I really do.
@vincentr6669 The chances of them changing their mind isn't very likely. It is a change that needed to happen. However it is currently listed as 30%, not 25%.
@vincentr6669 The chances of them changing their mind isn't very likely. It is a change that needed to happen. However it is currently listed as 30%, not 25%.
With it being 35% if you go TACT route.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
@vincentr6669 The chances of them changing their mind isn't very likely. It is a change that needed to happen. However it is currently listed as 30%, not 25%.
I mean, forget the insanity that has been the last months and if you could take a toon and use 1 encounter to grant a 36.5% damage buff to the party, wouldn't you want that? That's a huge buff. Now add in the other utility, damage, threat, heals, etc. that the GF offers and you still have one of the best builds. I'm more upset with what they did to Tide of Iron that I am ITF.
I'm more upset with what they did to Tide of Iron that I am ITF.
So what all buffs/debuffs are there now at the GF's disposal to help players kill things faster? - Tab Mark - Enforced Threat Encounter - ITF Encounter - Crushing Pin Feat - AP Gain from Rousing Speech and Martial Mastery (Tact tree feats) - Appropriate Weapon Enchant - Lantern Artifact
I'm more upset with what they did to Tide of Iron that I am ITF.
So what all buffs/debuffs are there now at the GF's disposal to help players kill things faster? - Tab Mark - Enforced Threat Encounter - ITF Encounter - Crushing Pin Feat - AP Gain from Rousing Speech and Martial Mastery (Tact tree feats) - Appropriate Weapon Enchant - Lantern Artifact
What else am I missing?
Stalwart Golden Lion Enhanced Mark off hand power
"As the good archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself." -Danilo Thann[/quote]
I'm more upset with what they did to Tide of Iron that I am ITF.
So what all buffs/debuffs are there now at the GF's disposal to help players kill things faster? - Tab Mark - Enforced Threat Encounter - ITF Encounter - Crushing Pin Feat - AP Gain from Rousing Speech and Martial Mastery (Tact tree feats) - Appropriate Weapon Enchant - Lantern Artifact
What else am I missing?
Stalwart Golden Lion Enhanced Mark off hand power
Stalwart Golden Lion? All I see in the tooltip is that it adds a 2% pers stack (8 stacks max) of Radiant damage to you. If I read it correctly, this effect is only there if the companion is attacking/using ability?
Not sure I like that, not a fan of having Simba by my side all the time:/ But....I will probably give it a try anyway, here kitty kitty...
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Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
I'm more upset with what they did to Tide of Iron that I am ITF.
So what all buffs/debuffs are there now at the GF's disposal to help players kill things faster? - Tab Mark - Enforced Threat Encounter - ITF Encounter - Crushing Pin Feat - AP Gain from Rousing Speech and Martial Mastery (Tact tree feats) - Appropriate Weapon Enchant - Lantern Artifact
What else am I missing?
Stalwart Golden Lion Enhanced Mark off hand power
Stalwart Golden Lion? All I see in the tooltip is that it adds a 2% pers stack (8 stacks max) of Radiant damage to you. If I read it correctly, this effect is only there if the companion is attacking/using ability?
Not sure I like that, not a fan of having Simba by my side all the time:/ But....I will probably give it a try anyway, here kitty kitty...
It has a taunt that give radiant damage to entire party. It can get to 4 stacks based on stats, that's an extra 8% damage boost, that's about one fourth of ITF.
"As the good archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself." -Danilo Thann[/quote]
I'm more upset with what they did to Tide of Iron that I am ITF.
So what all buffs/debuffs are there now at the GF's disposal to help players kill things faster? - Tab Mark - Enforced Threat Encounter - ITF Encounter - Crushing Pin Feat - AP Gain from Rousing Speech and Martial Mastery (Tact tree feats) - Appropriate Weapon Enchant - Lantern Artifact
What else am I missing?
Stalwart Golden Lion Enhanced Mark off hand power
Stalwart Golden Lion? All I see in the tooltip is that it adds a 2% pers stack (8 stacks max) of Radiant damage to you. If I read it correctly, this effect is only there if the companion is attacking/using ability?
Not sure I like that, not a fan of having Simba by my side all the time:/ But....I will probably give it a try anyway, here kitty kitty...
It has a taunt that give radiant damage to entire party. It can get to 4 stacks based on stats, that's an extra 8% damage boost, that's about one fourth of ITF.
Just read this up on the Wiki, hmmm....looks quite nice. It also seems that having the Lion thing mount would make things even better. But that...two Simbas? that would be too much lol
Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
I'm more upset with what they did to Tide of Iron that I am ITF.
So what all buffs/debuffs are there now at the GF's disposal to help players kill things faster? - Tab Mark - Enforced Threat Encounter - ITF Encounter - Crushing Pin Feat - AP Gain from Rousing Speech and Martial Mastery (Tact tree feats) - Appropriate Weapon Enchant - Lantern Artifact
What else am I missing?
Stalwart Golden Lion Enhanced Mark off hand power
Stalwart Golden Lion? All I see in the tooltip is that it adds a 2% pers stack (8 stacks max) of Radiant damage to you. If I read it correctly, this effect is only there if the companion is attacking/using ability?
Not sure I like that, not a fan of having Simba by my side all the time:/ But....I will probably give it a try anyway, here kitty kitty...
It has a taunt that give radiant damage to entire party. It can get to 4 stacks based on stats, that's an extra 8% damage boost, that's about one fourth of ITF.
Just read this up on the Wiki, hmmm....looks quite nice. It also seems that having the Lion thing mount would make things even better. But that...two Simbas? that would be too much lol
agreed, it really does look tacky. Wish the lions weren't so "golden"
"As the good archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself." -Danilo Thann[/quote]
Doesn't the enhanced mark offhand just help lower the ARP needed? So for high end groups it doesn't provide any additional benefit. The guarded assualt off hand power procs crushing pin though if I understand correctly.
Doesn't the enhanced mark offhand just help lower the ARP needed? So for high end groups it doesn't provide any additional benefit. The guarded assualt off hand power procs crushing pin though if I understand correctly.
Not exactly, it lowers your targets defense instead of adding arm pen. Arm Pen has a cap, regardless of your target still having some defense left to mitigate damage.
Yes, Guarded Assault procs Crushing Pin, but I suggest you test that for yourself. Just look for that Crushing Pin icon to appear on mobs. Personally, I find it unreliable, it does not proc all the time.
"As the good archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself." -Danilo Thann[/quote]
I'm more upset with what they did to Tide of Iron that I am ITF.
So what all buffs/debuffs are there now at the GF's disposal to help players kill things faster? - Tab Mark - Enforced Threat Encounter - ITF Encounter - Crushing Pin Feat - AP Gain from Rousing Speech and Martial Mastery (Tact tree feats) - Appropriate Weapon Enchant - Lantern Artifact
What else am I missing?
Stalwart Golden Lion Enhanced Mark off hand power
Stalwart Golden Lion? All I see in the tooltip is that it adds a 2% pers stack (8 stacks max) of Radiant damage to you. If I read it correctly, this effect is only there if the companion is attacking/using ability?
Not sure I like that, not a fan of having Simba by my side all the time:/ But....I will probably give it a try anyway, here kitty kitty...
It has a taunt that give radiant damage to entire party. It can get to 4 stacks based on stats, that's an extra 8% damage boost, that's about one fourth of ITF.
Just read this up on the Wiki, hmmm....looks quite nice. It also seems that having the Lion thing mount would make things even better. But that...two Simbas? that would be too much lol
agreed, it really does look tacky. Wish the lions weren't so "golden"
Just a quick note about the Simba thing:) looks flashy to say the least But to the point....it's really golden lol!....
Again....to the point....I've checked the Radiant Weapon stacks on training dummies and after a while, they were right up there at 8, so in a longer fight's (let's hope there will be some after the ITF fix) this can give some nice DPS I won't lie. As for the defensive side of the pet, it seem that it does a great job sharing threat with me. Need to poke around with my Simba guy a bit longer, but all in all I think it's a cool thing to have!
P.S
It's flashy! wohooo!
Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
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I personally bring anyone who wants to come on dungeon runs, pretty much regardless of class or role. I am just talking about what the meta-game elitists (the ones that do the excluding) would do if a DPS could fill the GF's slot better, and what it would take for a DPS class to fill the GF's slot better. Nobody needs to worry about GF getting replaced. They are still (probably) the best at what they do. Honestly I really like the changes to the GF. I really do.
Signature [WIP] - tyvm John
Or is there still the possibility they will change their minds about this? After all, so far the changes are only on the Preview Server.
Signature [WIP] - tyvm John
- Tab Mark
- Enforced Threat Encounter
- ITF Encounter
- Crushing Pin Feat
- AP Gain from Rousing Speech and Martial Mastery (Tact tree feats)
- Appropriate Weapon Enchant
- Lantern Artifact
What else am I missing?
Enhanced Mark off hand power
If I read it correctly, this effect is only there if the companion is attacking/using ability?
Not sure I like that, not a fan of having Simba by my side all the time:/
But....I will probably give it a try anyway, here kitty kitty...
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
Yes, Guarded Assault procs Crushing Pin, but I suggest you test that for yourself. Just look for that Crushing Pin icon to appear on mobs. Personally, I find it unreliable, it does not proc all the time.
But to the point....it's really golden lol!....
Again....to the point....I've checked the Radiant Weapon stacks on training dummies and after a while, they were right up there at 8, so in a longer fight's (let's hope there will be some after the ITF fix) this can give some nice DPS I won't lie.
As for the defensive side of the pet, it seem that it does a great job sharing threat with me. Need to poke around with my Simba guy a bit longer, but all in all I think it's a cool thing to have!
P.S
It's flashy! wohooo!
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"