Reclamation Rock Feedback

commanderander

Hi everyone! Sean “Commander Ander” McCann here, and I’m excited to have everyone delve into the Elemental Evil campaign! This focus of this thread will be on all things related to Reclamation Rock.

Access
Any player level 62 or above can access Reclamation Rock by completing the No Crevice Untouched, Hard to Reach Places, and Swords for Everyone, granted by Archdruid Morningdawn and Minsc in Protector's Enclave.

Players should be at least level 64/65 by the end of Reclamation Rock.

Features
- Directed story content to take players through Reclamation Rock.

Feedback Desired
We’d like you all to focus on playing these instances and finding any potential issues with them, both from a story and a mechanical standpoint. Does something in the story not make sense? Did the quest flow from each quest not work? Let us know!
If you find a bug or have feedback, please follow the guidelines below when posting:
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• Format: Please use “Bold” face text for the Type & Spec then type your feedback in the body of your post. If you are listing a bug please have this text in RED, if you are posting an opinion or feedback please use BLUE.
• (Bonus: Concise Feedback & Screen Shots are much appreciated)

Examples:
Bug: Quest: Crumblechasm
Crumblechasm didn't spawn!

Feedback: Quest: Call to Alms
I loved the pun in the quest title.

scathias

Feedback: Quest: Recovering Reconstruction
It would be helpful if the blue 'target area' during the construction phase would be more focused in the area where the construction is to be done. Currently it encompasses a large area where you can obtain construction materials, but you can't build there. Perhaps have a 2 stage target area? stage 1 as it is now to show where to obtain everything, and stage 2 being a smaller circle where construction may take place

two30

Feedback: Lore: The Cult of Black Earth
I'm fairly disappointed that my GWF will never be able to unlock the lore entry "The Cult of Black Earth". It was previously given by acquiring the repeatable quest "Black Earth Rumble". However, Black Earth Rumble had bugged prerequisites (as described in my bug report http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1208016/).

So I logged onto preview and was delighted to see that the Vigilant Paladin finally offered quests for my GWF. Ten Heroic Encounters and over a hundred enemies later, I gave up in disappointment. No lore entry.

Feedback: Quest: Continuing Force
The repeatable quest Continuing Force has an odd reset time. It appears to be 3 hours off of the standard reset time for daily quests.

meirami

Bug: Reclamation Rock Auto-Completion
When transfering characters that are supposed to have done the campaign, the Reclamation Rock auto completes for my Devoted Cleric, but not for my Great Weapon Fighter. I just finished the campaign on the Live server this weekend, so I know they both are supposed to have it. Still, the first task is the only one open and not completed and the rest are locked.

commanderander

meirami said:

Bug: Reclamation Rock Auto-Completion
When transfering characters that are supposed to have done the campaign, the Reclamation Rock auto completes for my Devoted Cleric, but not for my Great Weapon Fighter. I just finished the campaign on the Live server this weekend, so I know they both are supposed to have it. Still, the first task is the only one open and not completed and the rest are locked.

Hi Meirami,

Can you specify/remember if you completed the vigilance wrapper quests on your Great Weapon Fighter?

meirami

commanderander said:

Hi Meirami,

Can you specify/remember if you completed the vigilance wrapper quests on your Great Weapon Fighter?

Hello,

Somehow I missed Dassar because he didn't have a quest marker and I thought I had done some of Reclamation Rock last year with my GWF. That was my bad, but how did I get the vigilance wrapper quest from Captain Dunfield? My journal says that "Besieging the Rock" is indeed completed. Councilwoman Callum doesn't offer any quests before wrapping up with Dassar, so it's just Cap.

beckylunatic

meirami said:

commanderander said:

Hi Meirami,

Can you specify/remember if you completed the vigilance wrapper quests on your Great Weapon Fighter?

Hello,

Somehow I missed Dassar because he didn't have a quest marker and I thought I had done some of Reclamation Rock last year with my GWF. That was my bad, but how did I get the vigilance wrapper quest from Captain Dunfield? My journal says that "Besieging the Rock" is indeed completed. Councilwoman Callum doesn't offer any quests before wrapping up with Dassar, so it's just Cap.

If you get sent back to Reclamation Rock from Firey Pit, you're directed straight to Dunfield, bypassing the previous sub-sections. Maybe that's it?

Reclamation Rock and Drowned Shore both suffer from outlevelled quest markers. You get scaled down, but the game still parses your true level for indicating who has stuff for you to do. This may be different now with recent changes to make quests visible for a few levels longer, though I still feel strongly that hiding them is a useless mechanic that does more harm than good. People are free to ignore quests they don't want to bother with if they can see a marker, but struggle to find quests they'd like to do - or need to do - when they don't see a marker.

einsieg

Bug: Quest: Training Manuals
In the first cult camp south from Truebow's base, a training manual is inside the wall of the tent closest to the cliff face. It's unreachable even though there is no visible obstruction from both inside and outside the tent.

einsieg

Bug: Heroic Encounter: Slaad Invasion
The pillar of light for Slaad Invasion is visible through most of the terrain and buildings in Helm's Hold. You can usually see the entire pillar from top to bottom no matter how much stuff is in the way.

meirami

beckylunatic said:

If you get sent back to Reclamation Rock from Firey Pit, you're directed straight to Dunfield, bypassing the previous sub-sections. Maybe that's it?

Reclamation Rock and Drowned Shore both suffer from outlevelled quest markers. You get scaled down, but the game still parses your true level for indicating who has stuff for you to do.

That's probably it. I did most of my leveling in Fiery Pit and it was almost done when I went back to it.

throsbi

beckylunatic said:

meirami said:

commanderander said:

Hi Meirami,

Can you specify/remember if you completed the vigilance wrapper quests on your Great Weapon Fighter?

Hello,

Somehow I missed Dassar because he didn't have a quest marker and I thought I had done some of Reclamation Rock last year with my GWF. That was my bad, but how did I get the vigilance wrapper quest from Captain Dunfield? My journal says that "Besieging the Rock" is indeed completed. Councilwoman Callum doesn't offer any quests before wrapping up with Dassar, so it's just Cap.

If you get sent back to Reclamation Rock from Firey Pit, you're directed straight to Dunfield, bypassing the previous sub-sections. Maybe that's it?

Reclamation Rock and Drowned Shore both suffer from outlevelled quest markers. You get scaled down, but the game still parses your true level for indicating who has stuff for you to do. This may be different now with recent changes to make quests visible for a few levels longer, though I still feel strongly that hiding them is a useless mechanic that does more harm than good. People are free to ignore quests they don't want to bother with if they can see a marker, but struggle to find quests they'd like to do - or need to do - when they don't see a marker.

I had suggested removing this or giving players the option to turn on low level quests way back in the old forums. Its a real pain the backside trying to find quests when you out level the quest givers. Wish they just stayed on all the time or as I said we had an option to turn on lower level quests.

If you have alts you pray on, do dungeons, skirmishes etc and than decide to go back and try to finish up an area where you left off its almost impossible sometimes to even find who to talk to.

two30

Feedback: First section quests

• "Tombs of the Watchful": No problems. Good quest.
  
• "Scouting the Forest": No problems. Possibly too easy.
  
• "Black Earth Survey": No problems. Good quest.
  
• "Fighting the Earth": Not fun. The only targets that count are Rock Claws. They're mixed into encounter groups with other enemies. Each encounter group is size 3 or 4 and has 0, 1 or 2 Rock Claws. (There's one group I found of 4 Rock Claws, but waiting for it to respawn would be silly.) So you spend your time riding around and mousing over groups to count the Rock Claws and decide if they're worth genociding. By comparison, the "Grinding the Gravel" quest has far more options for targets and is less tedious.
  
• "Stealing Their Mettle": No problems. Good quest.
  
• "Grinding the Gravel": No problems. Genocide, but with options.
  
• "Training Manuals": No problems. Good quest. Having the option of kill for manuals, or searching the camps is great.
  
• "Deployment Orders": No problems. If you get unlucky with drops, it gets tedious, but at least it's concurrent with the "Training Manuals" quest.
  
• "Scouting Ascension" and "Adepts of Ascension": No problems. Good lairs.
  

two30

Feedback: Second section quests:

• "Posting the Truth": No problems. This is much better than a standard breadcrumb-quest.
  
• "Voices of Stone": No problems. The scrolls that summon Blackmantle Sorcerers help when there's competition for the normal spawns.
  
• "Recovering Reconstruction": No problems. Good quest.
  
• "Call to Alms": No problems. Good quest. It's a bit mean that you can't donate to sitting plague-sufferers, only standing plague-sufferers.
  
• "Rocky Foundation": No problems. Best genocide-quest. 20 kills for 20 credit. No need for killing bystanders.
  
• "Rescue Mission": No problems. I wish the name of the quest inside the instance matched the name of the quest outside the instance. In the quest tracker outside the instance and in the quest journal, this is called "Rescue Mission". In the quest tracker inside, it's called "The Underlift". The other lair quest "The Verge of Collapse" has the same problem, and so leads to ambiguity and potential confusion when discussing the quests.
  
• "Warding Off Madness": No problems. Good quest.
  
• "Hedging Against Plague": No problems. I was worried about how long this would take. Each enemy can drop up to 8 Research Notes. I collected the 100 notes in 35 kills. So the average was around 3 notes per enemy.
  
• "The Verge of Collapse": No problems. This has the same instance-naming problem as "Rescue Mission".
  
• In general, this section is much better than it is on live. There's no more riding back and forth between Hedgewizard Nottin and the cathedral trying to find the best vigilance quest set.
  
• The lore sequence "The Hold and the Rock" parts 1 to 9 seems to be broken or abandoned. I've finished two sections of the zone, and have only unlocked "The Hold and the Rock, Part 1".
  

beckylunatic

two30 said:

The lore sequence "The Hold and the Rock" parts 1 to 9 seems to be broken or abandoned. I've finished two sections of the zone, and have only unlocked "The Hold and the Rock, Part 1".

If this is the case, it's unfortunate, as Reclamation Rock actually had an underlying story in Old!EE if you troubled to read the lore, and whoever was in charge of the lore entries did a fine job.

two30

Feedback: Third section quests

• "By the Horns": No issues.
  
• "In Memorial": No issues. Good quest.
  
• "Taking Measures": A strong contender for worst quest in the game. Not only does it expect you to deliberately play badly, but there's a time limit. So if running up to enemy groups and letting them beat on you doesn't do enough damage in time, you have to start all over. I strongly recommend removing the time limit. Although it will still be a miserable experience, at least you won't risk failing and having to do it again.
  
• "Toad Bait": The portal rifts have a strange spawn pattern. The Slaadi Invasion heroic encounter was active, so I couldn't solo the portal rifts in the southern area. Instead I went to the eastern area, where I expected to find 3 or 4 rifts. When I arrived there was nothing. No enemies, no rifts, just empty space. I had the zone to myself, so they hadn't been killed. I waited for a minute and eventually all the rifts and slaadi spawned simultaneously. Since I needed to destroy 6 rifts, and I couldn't solo the heroic encounter, I had to wait around for the eastern portal rifts to spawn a second time.
  
• "Delaying Ascension": This is the 3rd time that the quest line sends you to the Crypts of Ascension. That's a bit boring, but what is particularly irksome about this is that the Crypts of Ascension had all their skill nodes removed due to botting. Many players are desperate for mount insignia, the devs have cocked a snook at us here.
  
• "Landshark": No issues.
  
• "Stolen Mementos": It took me 67 kills to grind the 20 mementos. Very tedious.
  
• "Stone by Stone": You need to kill 3 Blackmantle Generals and there are only 3 in the whole zone. Fortunately, the preview server is a ghost town and I had the zone to myself. However, on live competition for those 3 could get frustrating. In fact, the 3 are so close together that a troll could camp them to grief players.
  
• "Toadkiller": If the Slaadi Invasion heroic encounter is active, the only soloable slaadi are in the eastern area. There aren't enough of them there.
  
• "Black Earth, Stone Heart": No issues. Good lair. However, it's a bit weird to turn in the quest and suddenly the last 3 campaign tasks are done. It's an abrupt end.
  
• "Seed of Earth": No issues. The fight with the Blackmantle and friends is a bit hectic, and I died once and squeaked through on the second attempt. However, my test character is squishy.
  

Feedback: Zone lore
I was able to unlock the "Helm's Cathedral", "Helm's Hold", "Marlos Urnrayle", "Miraj Vizann", "Reclamation Rock", "Scar Alley", "The Hold and the Rock, Part 1", "The Memorial Hills", "The Return of Helm", "The Watcher's Forest" and "Ulgarr Crumblechasm" lore entries.

The "The Cult of Black Earth", "The Hold and the Rock, Part 2", "The Hold and the Rock, Part 3", "The Hold and the Rock, Part 4", "The Hold and the Rock, Part 5", "The Hold and the Rock, Part 6", "The Hold and the Rock, Part 7", "The Hold and the Rock, Part 8", and "The Hold and the Rock, Part 9" lore entries are no longer available. This is disappointing.

beckylunatic

Really, these are just all the old vigilance quests in a different wrapper, with maybe marginal differences to the mechanics at most. You could stack the vigilance lairs for more efficient completion (two quests in one go), which is less repetitive, and also reflects some of the other criticisms of taking open world quests in dribs and drabs in a fixed order. Instead of being able to stack up a few quests of kill these guys and take all their stuff, you've got to kill the guys, and kill the guys again and take stuff #1, and kill the guys again and take stuff #2, and etc.

All the Kenku-related quests in Spinward were a good example of stacking for efficiency. You could kill Kenku, kill a specific Kenku (Blackfeather), kill Kenku and take their weapons, and take Kenku eggs, all at the same time. It was very non-frustrating.

two30 said:

Feedback: Third section quests

"Taking Measures": A strong contender for worst quest in the game. Not only does it expect you to deliberately play badly, but there's a time limit. So if running up to enemy groups and letting them beat on you doesn't do enough damage in time, you have to start all over. I strongly recommend removing the time limit. Although it will still be a miserable experience, at least you won't risk failing and having to do it again.

This quest was horrible as a vigilance task, and you would be doing Neverwinter players a huge favour by putting it out of its misery. To get anywhere close to succeeding at it, I remember needing to remove all kinds of damage mitigation and stand in red AoEs until my character was nearly dead. On a second pass through this zone, I did fail it due to not being able to find enough monsters that were capable of dealing any kind of damage, and that quest made the "avoid at all costs" hate-list.

If you're built for survivability, removing equipment only goes so far. We can't spec out of our feats and boons just so that one piddly quest doesn't fail. The closest thing I have to a main is a scoundrel TR, which means high deflection is innate.

If nothing else, I agree the time limit should be removed, even though it means having to rewrite the dialogue. I'd forgotten how bad this quest was until @two30 mentioned it, because I'd been able to skip it, but the new structure means you can't just not do a quest because it blows.

scathias

beckylunatic said:

two30 said:

Feedback: Third section quests

"Taking Measures": A strong contender for worst quest in the game. Not only does it expect you to deliberately play badly, but there's a time limit. So if running up to enemy groups and letting them beat on you doesn't do enough damage in time, you have to start all over. I strongly recommend removing the time limit. Although it will still be a miserable experience, at least you won't risk failing and having to do it again.

This quest was horrible as a vigilance task, and you would be doing Neverwinter players a huge favour by putting it out of its misery. To get anywhere close to succeeding at it, I remember needing to remove all kinds of damage mitigation and stand in red AoEs until my character was nearly dead. On a second pass through this zone, I did fail it due to not being able to find enough monsters that were capable of dealing any kind of damage, and that quest made the "avoid at all costs" hate-list.

If you're built for survivability, removing equipment only goes so far. We can't spec out of our feats and boons just so that one piddly quest doesn't fail. The closest thing I have to a main is a scoundrel TR, which means high deflection is innate.

If nothing else, I agree the time limit should be removed, even though it means having to rewrite the dialogue. I'd forgotten how bad this quest was until @two30 mentioned it, because I'd been able to skip it, but the new structure means you can't just not do a quest because it blows.

i also want to voice how awful this quest is, for all the reasons becky and two30 have mentioned

kwsapphire

Reclamation Rock completion credit is bugged. Both my husband and I have two L70 toons each who went through the zones over the last few days and wrapped up what we hadn't completed. None of these four toons is getting credit for completion, in fact, the Completion Credit is getting DROPPED.

I'd really appreciate official feedback on whether or not retroactive completion credit will be granted for this zone.

beckylunatic

It was granted for a character who had completed 16/16 RecRock tasks x3, back when that was the requirement. Maybe a bug with 8/8 crediting properly?

kwsapphire

Hm, that might very well be! Thanks Becky!

nerwinterhead81

Tombs of the Watchful is bugged on the ps4, there is no quest marker for the 5th tomb. And when you locate the tomb anyway, the interaction with the coffin doesn't pop. Now way to complete the quest line. *sad face*

Update:

Upon dropping the quest and picking it up again. I was able to complete the quest. *Happy Days*

cappatton

Where in the test Shard can you get test material?