Maze Engine Preview Patch Notes NW.60.20160307a.3

whitestarua

@terramak
They are so imbalanced:

TR with hight deflect will heal more that take damage.
Whenever you Deflect an attack, you are healed for 3% of your maximum Hit Points over 4 seconds.

HR vs this bonus can do nothing. because all that has HR is CC. HR has no damage... and this heal totally destroy this class. No Comments...
Whenever you are Stunned, Knocked, or Immobilized, you are healed for 4% of your maximum Hit Points over 4 seconds.

terramak

hustin1 said:

Drat. I'll go back and get you a location. I'll edit this once I get it.

Actually, typing in /loc doesn't give me anything, but the map is saying I'm at 1624, 1331.

Thanks, that should be enough info to track it down. /loc outputs in System Notify, so if you have that hidden you won't see anything.

@whitestarua : Thank you for the feedback!

@beckylunatic : Thank you for the extra info!

hustin1

BUG: Vellosk. Okay, this is weird. I just entered the first camp upon entering the zone. Take a look at the Forsworn on the left. He is running in slow-motion in that attack stance, and with no weapon.

hustin1

BUG: Vellosk. The tooltip at the entrance to Gray Wolf Den says it's a 5-player dungeon (be still, my beating heart!)

As a personal note, I think the 5-man versions are better...

Edit: ditto for the entrances to Cragmire Crypts and Temple of the Spider. Pirate King, Frozen Heart, an Cloak Tower have correct entrance tooltips.

terramak

All righty, patch notes actually posted. Time for me to update the round-up and then head home for the night.

Thanks again for all the awesome feedback and reports.

hustin1

Haha, I feel your pain. It' after 2am for me. NB: the entrance tooltips to three of the dungeons are incorrect (see above).

scathias

Great Weapon Fighter: Unstoppable: The Temp HP granted by damage bonuses now caps at 200%. This means that if a player has a lot of damage bonuses and is at maximum Determination, they can receive up to 32% of their Max HP as Temp HP.

Could you please give a reason for this unasked for nerf? GWF are classed as a off-tank class correct? However, GWF also have practically no way of actually being a tank. The temp HP being affected by extra power bonuses of various sorts meant that GWF finally had a way to tank something (or even survive) by means of artificially enhancing their HP pool, since of course adding extra DR to a GWF doesn't help because of the DR cap at 80% (GF get shield on a separate layer to counter this, pallys get invulnerability to damage, as well as huge sources of temp HP)...

You are crippling the ability of a GWF to perform their assigned role in the game. Other melee classes have shields, or dodges, but now GWF just lost their only way to survive incoming damage.

@terramak

hustin1

BUG: It still appears to be impossible to complete the Sharandar Rewards quest from the envoy in PE.

scathias

The devs stated in multiple places and multiple times that class balance was something they were looking at later, and you wanted to stop piecemeal fixes that didn't address the whole problem...

Except now we have targeted 2 changes to the GWF unstoppable mechanic that together hurt GWF survivability by an incredible amount.
You can argue that the change to make unstoppable temp HP expire once combat ended was bringing it in line with other temp HP sources. Fine, that was managable, even if it did make Sentinal spec even less viable. This change however completely removes any chance GWF have to be an off tank with how GWF currently work... And if you guys have plans for changing how GWF work then great. Implement these changes AT THAT POINT. As it stands right now it looks like we will be waiting for mod 10 before GWF might get a rework to make it a viable off-tank. And until then you just screwed over GWF survivability.

mamalion1234

scathias said:

Great Weapon Fighter: Unstoppable: The Temp HP granted by damage bonuses now caps at 200%. This means that if a player has a lot of damage bonuses and is at maximum Determination, they can receive up to 32% of their Max HP as Temp HP.

Could you please give a reason for this unasked for nerf? GWF are classed as a off-tank class correct? However, GWF also have practically no way of actually being a tank. The temp HP being affected by extra power bonuses of various sorts meant that GWF finally had a way to tank something (or even survive) by means of artificially enhancing their HP pool, since of course adding extra DR to a GWF doesn't help because of the DR cap at 80% (GF get shield on a separate layer to counter this, pallys get invulnerability to damage, as well as huge sources of temp HP)...

You are crippling the ability of a GWF to perform their assigned role in the game. Other melee classes have shields, or dodges, but now GWF just lost their only way to survive incoming damage.

@terramak

so if a great weapon fighter has 160k hp at maximum determination pressing tab will get temp hp 50k?

hustin1

BUG: On the campaigns window, it says that I have Sharandar "200% unlocked". Does that mean I get a Redcap Giantsoul companion?

scathias

mamalion1234 said:

so if a great weapon fighter has 160k hp at maximum determination pressing tab will get temp hp 50k?

AT MOST they can get 50k temp HP. And I have not seen any gwf running around PVE with 160k temp HP. 160k HP is a BIS character in r12 radiants and a HP boon. So yeah... incoming damage is going to slaughter most gwf

mamalion1234

and the perma bubble still exists yea hhahhhhahhh

flyingleon

Well, the temp HP nerf is lame considering perma bubble. I am sure this have something to do with the solo dungeon videos. Well, as a PWE gwf, I don't care this so much. But I can imagine pvp gwf get a huge hit.

scathias

Im not sure you realize just how much you rely on the temp HP you get from unstoppable. Any time your HP bar gets covered in yellow you have 100k temp HP most likely. With this change you are only going to get 1/3rd of your bar yellow, meaning your ability to take damage just got cut by over 66%

vida44

@terramak why did you nerf GWF temp HP...again?

The problem with Unstoppable has something to do with the determination bar not temp HP. I only had problems going Unstoppable when my Determination bar fills up all the way, not when I have full temp HP.

mattia78

This means that GWF (not all) should wait for tanks instead of running ahead and solo the dungeon before other players can get to mobs? This change is really welcomed. And i speak as a gwf (since august 2013) . Next is OP bubble...

epicfacepalmz

Great Weapon Fighter: Unstoppable: The Temp HP granted by damage bonuses now caps at 200%. This means that if a player has a lot of damage bonuses and is at maximum Determination, they can receive up to 32% of their Max HP as Temp HP.

wow..... just wow. These "fixes" haven't solved a thing.

someonedies

terramak said:

Release Notes
Combat and Powers
Class Powers

• Great Weapon Fighter: Unstoppable: The Temp HP granted by damage bonuses now caps at 200%. This means that if a player has a lot of damage bonuses and is at maximum Determination, they can receive up to 32% of their Max HP as Temp HP.

Thank you.
Official Dev response: Time to Delete Character.

mamalion1234

mattia78 said:

This means that GWF (not all) should wait for tanks instead of running ahead and solo the dungeon before other players can get to mobs? This change is really welcomed. And i speak as a gwf (since august 2013) . Next is OP bubble...

daring shout mitigation give enough time for the strong great weapons as you mentioned to clear them fast not big issue for them.( pve point of view). BUT yes now they will not able to be offtank. will be really challenging or and imposible the first boss in lair of lostmauth for example.

rivodus07

If your going to nerf the GWF at least fix the unstoppable bug... at least give us a reason why you can't fix this issue.. Is it really that hard to fix?

reddevilbs

mattia78 said:

This means that GWF (not all) should wait for tanks instead of running ahead and solo the dungeon before other players can get to mobs? This change is really welcomed. And i speak as a gwf (since august 2013) . Next is OP bubble...

Yeap mate, I know very well what you're talking about. Agree that atm Unstoppable is broken. You know, as you're in my friends list, I have 2 GWFs and I welcome this change also.
@terramak
-quote PREVIEW PATCH NOTES NW.60.20160224A.2-
The Temporary Hit Points provided by the following powers now properly respect the Temporary Hit Point rules - They no longer stack with other Temp. HP sources, and fade when combat ends.
-unquote-

Only ONE issue is bothers me - temp HP vanishes at the end of the combat, even when your Unstoppable is still active. This is in conflict with tool tip, it says "While active ...... "

As I said, Unstoppable have to be fixed, but you fixed it too much. Don't spoil the fun further!

rayrdan

Nice change to temp hp. This should stop the madness of soloing t2s and the bonding abusing.
Now lets talk about bubble and binding oath

vida44

defiantone99 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HtbtHSx_68

It seems to work as intended. ---> *sarcasm*

evalira

No fix to the insane damage Orcus deals? My GF got hit for over 1m whilst I was running with the devs. My shield blocked 869k and I was still hit for over 200k after mitigation. I pointed this out to the dev I was running with and he said it did seem rather high and would have someone look into it. Guess not.

I shouldn't be one shotted through my shield with over 50% DR and 130k HP.

As it stands now no one is going to want a GF in their group, and everyone is going to be asking for permabubble pally's - they already do anyway, but only because it's easier, now it's impossible.

darkstarcrash

Ok, just copied over a fresh character. Demon Sled is properly added to the stable, and its icon calls it Demon Sled -- but if you summon it you get the Winter Sled effects (sparkly snow), not the Demon Sled effects (smoke and fire).

urabask

defiantone99 said:

The bug is still there even with the little temp HP we now get and losing it on leaving combat. So it is just a hard nerf to survivability. We definitely need compensation.

All they'd give is a respec which would make absolutely no difference.

mamalion1234

OK now give to sentinel tree as bonus the old temp hp in the tree feats so they can be the offtank.

xgrandz02

Where's the hate for GWF coming from ? can any1 tell me pls ,
instead of fixing unstoppable you nerf it,

How we should survive now?,
GF Burst/Prones one rotation from 160k HP to zero and we're dead.
or TR 1-Shot piercing dmg ignores basibly STILL everything also tenacity,

Theres no way to escape for us just with sprint, this is not a dodge like teleport or roll.
Prone always hit us same as SE from TR will guarantee hit us,
no matter if we are sprinting or not.

this is a huge nerf for pvp against us!

no words... you really make me speechless with that........

xgrandz02

rayrdan said:

Nice change to temp hp. This should stop the madness of soloing t2s and the bonding abusing.
Now lets talk about bubble and binding oath

You have no clue what you talkin about its a typical hater commentary , you think just because you saw a vid of a dude soloing a dungeon automatically every GWF can do this? of course not omg..

you talking about abusing?l how about "piercing dmg is still broken as HELL,
it not only ignores DR also tenacity and kind of defense,
and the only thing what your class is doing are spamming SE
so whats the point of TR just to press SE and that's it.