Masterwork- the new *purple, quested* tools should make success 100%

andorrabell

20% success rate for these new combines is insane.
Please fix the new purple tools to actually impart quality - I'd like to see it add up to 100% given getting the items requires another gate through guild marks and time to farm.
This is so broken- please talk to us about the state of SH weapons.

asterdahl

andorrabell said:

20% success rate for these new combines is insane.
Please fix the new purple tools to actually impart quality - I'd like to see it add up to 100% given getting the items requires another gate through guild marks and time to farm.
This is so broken- please talk to us about the state of SH weapons.

Once you've completed the second quest you'll receive a masterwork tool that can be used interchangeably in any recipe where the first tool can be used, and provides as much quality as any other epic asset (+40%.)

rinat114

asterdahl said:

andorrabell said:

20% success rate for these new combines is insane.
Please fix the new purple tools to actually impart quality - I'd like to see it add up to 100% given getting the items requires another gate through guild marks and time to farm.
This is so broken- please talk to us about the state of SH weapons.

Once you've completed the second quest you'll receive a masterwork tool that can be used interchangeably in any recipe where the first tool can be used, and provides as much quality as any other epic asset (+40%.)

Wrong, the epic tool you get has absolutely no chance on it. Doesn't even say 0, it just has no value. (I got to the third quest). Unless this was changed with this patch, I'd stand corrected.
@asterdahl

mstrssihr

With all slots filled with Mithral tools, the success rate is 20%, the UI flat out tells you that. ?

matiagronx

Do you realize than SO MANY people SPEND so many AD to get the recipes going with this 20% success rate? DO you realize how many MILLIONS were lost? Why you do this? Dont you understand that people are losing REAL money because of dozens of mistakes like these and get frustrated and leave the game as a result? Why the players even have to bring up these fatal for the game's future errors? These errors cannot POSSIBLY pass on live. They are gamebreakingly fatal, definite reason for someone to abandon game. These are illegitimate and unethical AD sinks, or an attempt to scum players right in front of their face.

oldbaldyone

For the amount of effort people are going to go through to have to get these weapons, they should be at least twice as good as the Elemental and Twisted ones (I do not condone that, but its risk versus reward. At this point, getting a twisted or elemental weapon versus getting the SH weapons is like the difference between making a guild versus leveling it to 10.

mstrssihr

Yeah like the rarest gear in the game, it BETTER be better or whats the gdamn point?! HAHA Omg just the thought of doing all this and not having any clue what the rewards are.... I wonder if I'm being a total fool for even bothering to jump through all these hoops, could be gear that doesn't excite me in the least and then wtf will I do? Mothball it, after alllll that effort. It seriously better be better than than any currency type gear.

zeusom

asterdahl said:

andorrabell said:

20% success rate for these new combines is insane.
Please fix the new purple tools to actually impart quality - I'd like to see it add up to 100% given getting the items requires another gate through guild marks and time to farm.
This is so broken- please talk to us about the state of SH weapons.

Once you've completed the second quest you'll receive a masterwork tool that can be used interchangeably in any recipe where the first tool can be used, and provides as much quality as any other epic asset (+40%.)

So currently the new epic tool + 3 other epic tools is giving a 20% overall success chance, but it is supposed to give a 60% overall chance of success... Correct?

andorrabell

asterdahl said:

andorrabell said:

20% success rate for these new combines is insane.
Please fix the new purple tools to actually impart quality - I'd like to see it add up to 100% given getting the items requires another gate through guild marks and time to farm.
This is so broken- please talk to us about the state of SH weapons.

Once you've completed the second quest you'll receive a masterwork tool that can be used interchangeably in any recipe where the first tool can be used, and provides as much quality as any other epic asset (+40%.)

Sorry, but this is 100% not correct. It provides zero quality.

andorrabell

dodgo

2nd quest doesnt give tool its the 1st quest amirite?? also 1st quest tool give whoping 0% amirite??
@asterdahl

sorce

@strumslinger / @asterdahl - can this be checked please? Overall we only have a 20% success rate, rather than the usual 60% success rate we'd normally see in a T3 result.

Andorra's screen shot above is what we are seeing for ALL masterwork tasks. The special asset you get after the 2nd quest from the Artisan gives you no bonus to the success rate.

mstrssihr

haha was just going to put a SS you beat me to it, thx!

iguresan

She's right, the tool gives 0% and i've done a post about it on bug reports and someone deleted it, this way its hard to help you guys.

asterotg

I can confirm this for jewelcrafting and alchemy. The kicker is, that I have 10 epic assets for alchemy and 5 or 6 for jewelcrafting, but one slot is occupied by this 0% 'epic'-tool, so I am stuck at 20% chance for T 3.

How comes, that you dont know this. Dont you do any beta testing or even play your own game?

silverkelt

I flat out refuse to accept you SHOULD have to do this for weapons at all..

beckylunatic

iguresan said:

She's right, the tool gives 0% and i've done a post about it on bug reports and someone deleted it, this way its hard to help you guys.

Nobody deleted your thread. It's right here:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1209035/masterwork-profession-tools-probably-bugged

I find that the forum viewed in Chrome tends to not display updates without refreshing a lot, each subforum to show updated threads and then each thread to show updated posts. It makes browsing very awkward. Firefox is behaving itself.

Anyway, you can always check your information before making paranoid accusations by viewing your own profile. Keep the complaints factual so that the real problems don't get lost in a bunch of unfounded ranting. Sometimes, "they don't listen to us" because we produce a f'n lot of noise to signal.

mstrssihr

silverkelt said:

I flat out refuse to accept you SHOULD have to do this for weapons at all..

YOU don't, that's the beauty of it friend. Just turn the other way and don't worry about it. You got other weaps you can grind.

urabask

mstrssihr said:

silverkelt said:

I flat out refuse to accept you SHOULD have to do this for weapons at all..

YOU don't, that's the beauty of it friend. Just turn the other way and don't worry about it. You got other weaps you can grind.

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A lot of people will though. Which makes the weapons kind of pointless.

Also supposedly according to cryptic access to this stuff should be easier through the AH but with the amount of work/resources needed to make any of the masterwork items the market can't really force the prices down to reasonable level.

mstrssihr

urabask said:

mstrssihr said:

silverkelt said:

I flat out refuse to accept you SHOULD have to do this for weapons at all..

YOU don't, that's the beauty of it friend. Just turn the other way and don't worry about it. You got other weaps you can grind.

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A lot of people will though. Which makes the weapons kind of pointless.

Also supposedly according to cryptic access to this stuff should be easier through the AH but with the amount of work/resources needed to make any of the masterwork items the market can't really force the prices down to reasonable level.

Well IMO these types of *optional* long and difficult quest chains are a step in the right direction. No one has to do any of this, there's loads of other weapons to get elsewhere in the game.

People complained they didn't have enough choices, people complained that professions were rather pointless, people complained there's not enough BoE stuff to sell. Now they turn all of that around for the better and guess what? People complain. These additions are meant to be fun and part of the future of the way the game is going. Get your weaps thru quests, or certain currencies and now even in professions! I don't see why so many long faces, perhaps I'm just not really understanding the problems people are seeing?

+1000 for LONG and DIFFUCULT quest chains.

mstrssihr

OH!! So long as the rewards at the end are incredible XD

silverkelt

Because they are already gated.

If they were not gated behind the r12 strongholds , r6 marketplace, dragonflight runs + guild marks (which cost most of us hundreds of thousands of AD + hundreds of thousands of more AD in gems+ salvage donations)

Your suggestion would be fine, but because they are already gated behind the most harsh gate in the game, to add THIS gate on top of that gating , is ridicolous.

Thats why and no it shouldnt be.

plasticbat

If they have told us this would be the road map to get that RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING, I may be okay with that because I could have decided to say F it (as forget about it) back then without wasting a lot of everything.

blamecharles

I don't see why so many long faces, perhaps I'm just not really understanding the problems people are seeing?

+1000 for LONG and DIFFUCULT quest chains.
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I can appreciate where you are coming from in wanting the gear to be difficult to acquire, but you say you dont understand the problem people are seeing, the main glaring problem is that one of the items that we need to make the gear is broken, and not just a little bit, all the way. The epic tool is giving 0% quality instead of 40%. If you bought a 140% mount and it gave you 0% you would be pissed, of course. Also the way in which these weapons are to be made has been changed several times and the items to make them has changed several times, all of which is adding fuel to the fire.

mstrssihr

I wholeheartedly agree that professions should Not be gated behind SH. I didn't take into account that my guild is big and already at a pretty high level. Did the devs not think about small guilds? Apparently not. They have said that they are giving this their attention as they see now how completely non-inclusive their latest additions are. I understand and many many many people need this change, so I'm confident that they will sort it out.

Also,a Dev has already chimed in on this topic, so we should be hearing back relatively soon about what's going on with it.

Lastly, I doubt anyone has saved up all the mats and was ready to make the weapon and then when they went to do it, the mats changed all of a sudden. It hasn't happened like that.

eion311

I have stated forever that the SH arti MH/OH stats need to be increased or add additional stats to it due to the ridiculous hoops a player has to go through to be able to get them. Right now they have the same exact stats as the way easier to obtain other arti MH/OH.

boom782

eion311 said:

I have stated forever that the SH arti MH/OH stats need to be increased or add additional stats to it due to the ridiculous hoops a player has to go through to be able to get them. Right now they have the same exact stats as the way easier to obtain other arti MH/OH.

Why are people spending so much time, AD, and effort trying to get these then? Totally legit question not me trying to be an A-hole btw. I can't imagine people trying to level up 2 artifact sets for different scenarios. Its a PITA just to get one set up to legendary.

blamecharles

<+1000 for LONG and DIFFUCULT quest chains. </p>

boom782 said:

eion311 said:

I have stated forever that the SH arti MH/OH stats need to be increased or add additional stats to it due to the ridiculous hoops a player has to go through to be able to get them. Right now they have the same exact stats as the way easier to obtain other arti MH/OH.

Why are people spending so much time, AD, and effort trying to get these then? Totally legit question not me trying to be an A-hole btw. I can't imagine people trying to level up 2 artifact sets for different scenarios. Its a PITA just to get one set up to legendary.

The only way they are better is if all people in the party have the weapons, as a guild we wanted to have them because we mostly play with each other. This is not a feasible option now because of the gating.

mstrssihr

Honestly, I mostly just want the fashion rewards xD Any other stuff is just a bonus!

andorrabell

boom782 said:

eion311 said:

I have stated forever that the SH arti MH/OH stats need to be increased or add additional stats to it due to the ridiculous hoops a player has to go through to be able to get them. Right now they have the same exact stats as the way easier to obtain other arti MH/OH.

Why are people spending so much time, AD, and effort trying to get these then? Totally legit question not me trying to be an A-hole btw. I can't imagine people trying to level up 2 artifact sets for different scenarios. Its a PITA just to get one set up to legendary.

As far as our guilds are concerned these SH weapons are now pretty much dead because of the crazy gates,. We now have access to twisted weapons and people are picking them up. I'm not losing 20% RP again- so the only way I'd ever move to SH now is if the RP were 1:1 and the additional gating is almost entirely removed.

Waste of weapons we'd been looking forward to for forever. Craziness.

sorce

@strumslinger - have the devs been able to give any advice on this yet?